this gotta be a joke... right?

>>63974331 (OP)
I wanted to make a thread, noooo
But mine would be better “official Laugh at burgers thread”

i get the feeling you don't know how long a football field is
oh well, not my problem

>>63974389
about a medium x1 football field

>>63974331 (OP)
Teaching crews to do improvised anti-air is a joke? Or do you mean using a football field to picture the lead?

>>63974404
the using several MBT to take down commercial drones

>>63974414
Might as well teach tankers how to target drones since they might have to do it anyways.

>>63974414
Well, you've usually got several advancing towards a shared objective, and if they happen to be conveniently located, why limit yourself to just one? More machine guns are more machine guns.
It wouldn't be the first time a manual assumed you're stupid and uncreative, and might limit yourself if it presented only a individual level solution.

>>63974414
You know tanks have machine guns on them, right? If a tank can see it, knowing how to shoot it is usually a good idea to train for.

>>63974331 (OP)
You know Abrams can launch guided weapons from their cannons, right?

if you played battlefield 4 you know how hard is to hit a SUAV

>>63974451
120mm canister mentioned in the image tho.... what kind of guided anti-drone munition can abrams launch? (none)

>>63974465
>kind of guided anti-drone munition can abrams launch?
Nothing guided, but the m-pat rounds have an airburst setting which you can toggle on the nose-cone before loading

>>63974414
I mean they do have machine guns.
It's still pretty fucking silly.

>>63974331 (OP)
Use the catalog.
>>63972284

The fuck is wrong with Americans to get them to use football fields as an unit of measurement in manuals?

"Foot ball field" is literally 100 yards.

>>63974446
This is for use with canister

>>63974356
Does your country even field MBT caliber tungsten canister?
>>63975620
OP is a stupid fucking bitch, as always.

>>63975806
>Why would you utilize a commonly known and understood unit of measurement to teach snap ballistics that could easily be life or death?

>>63975824
Read, nigga, read.

>>63975877
The idea that everyone or at least most people instinctively know how long a field is is exactly what's so strange.

>>63974331 (OP)
It makes sense as a guide book to put out while a better solution is engineered.
No one is thinking that this is the end-all be-all solution. But this is something that could be done in the interim before a proper anti-drone wholistic approach is developed.

>>63978301
Its also something you can do if the conventional solution is for any reason unavailable
Given that drones tend to come in large numbers, you would naturally want everything capable of shooting a drone to have some sort of drone shooting doctrine available

>>63974331 (OP)
WTF is this?

>>63978331
Its a controlled way to handle, "you're fucked, so scatter".

>>63978331
An alternative to simply continuing to drive in a straight line while getting picked off like the Russians do
I'm honestly not sure what your problem with it is

>>63978355
>>63978357
Why does he need to be out waving hand signals instead of giving this order via radio?

>>63978370
Hes doing both

>>63975806
I dunno, why would anyone use things crews are probably interested in as a guide in their manuals?

>>63976803
You mean something most military aged males have at least a passing understanding of?

>>63978461
That's the point, faggot. In most of the civilized world you won't find anything like this, because people are different and are exposed to different things.

>>63978485
>Reeeeeeee why does this AMERICAN manual have an AMERICAN unit of measurement for AMERICAN soldiers who all have seen an AMERICAN football field???
Quit being an obtuse nigger

>>63974414
It's a perfect scenario for exercises.

Not that it has any practical usefulness to it, but neither does canister shot, or tanks lined up anywhere at all. Again, great way to spend some time while getting paid.

>>63978357
Stopping is in evey way worse than keeping going.

>>63978485
Okay and it is for American crews, not whatever faggy country you hail from. Which is something you will never reveal because you know your country would be made fun of for the state of your military.

>>63978485
Okay and in the shithole you come from you can measure it in water polo courts or doily making competition tables

>>63978485
I refuse to believe you're this much of an actual retard and are just playing it up because you're bored on a Sunday.

>>63974331 (OP)
I'd like to point out this is pretty stupid since you'll also need to know how big the drone is with respect to the football field. Telling people to aim a certain distance in front of an target makes no sense since in real life you'll need to adjust point of aim for how far away that target is and how fast it's moving. Unless this is a manual for (a very shit) training for a set of known targets doing a known predetermined course it's almost worthless.

>>63976803
I'd wager 99% of high schools in America have a football field. Do euros not know how long a soccer field is off the dome?

>>63978370
>giving this order via radio
Do you want to get triangulated? I should concede this point since reacting to contact strongly infers you have already been made. I won't though.

>>63978485
>In most of the civilized world
It's takes less time to just type America.

>>63978618
In real life they just die to indirect fires because their position is known.

>>63978705
Come to think about it, remembering that drones are typically for recon makes it even worse. This way they're guaranteeing their position, numbers and composition is being revealed by having everybody fire at it.

>>63978705
saar, your indirect fires were the target of an air attack 30 minutes ago and are now burning up in smoke saar

>>63978734
>the drone is not going to detect a column of tanks that is within gunner sight visual range
>it should be just left alone to do its thing and not engaged
why do thirdiies think like this, someone please help me understand

>>63978736
lmao. Yeah i'm sure you blew up every cache of drones and thier toyota erectors. Get out of here.

>>63978745
They don't think.

>doctrine for engaging drones should they be within kill-range of an Abrams gets released
>this is cause of celebration for every Serb, South Americans, Vatnik and Chink on the internet
???

>>63978679
How many meters are in 300 burgers?

>>63978760
Any answer that doesn't involve sheets of rubber, chains, cages, or slapdash jamming vehicles that only exist in single digit numbers confuses them so they react with amusement to compensate.

>>63978760
I dunno. Its just funny to see it. Like in what instance do Abrams have to actually use this? Wouldn't advancing elements have like Avengers or supporting infantry to swat the Temu trash from the skies? O

>>63978791
>brownoid tries to comprehend contingency planning and why it is beneficial
Is the Navy's FLTC system also funny to you?

>>63978802
Not as funny as you thinking I'm a thirdie.

>>63978810
Well you're certainly thinking like one. You should work on that.

>NOOOOOO YOU CANT SHOOT OUR DRONES DOWN YOU'RE UHHHH WASTING YOUR MONEY RIGHT?

>>63978745
They could shoot it with an actual SPAAG instead of engaging in this nonsense. Concealment from air assets is a big deal. There's no context given for this page, the platoon could be at rest, in ambush, under tree cover for all I know.

>>63978853
>They could shoot it with an actual SPAAG
Oh wow you really are a thirdie lmao.
>Concealment from air assets is a big deal.
Yeah, which is why drones should be shot down and any vehicle that has the capability should have the crews trained to do so.
> There's no context given for this page
There doesn't need to be my brown tourist, the whole point of training manuals for a task is to tell how best to do something with your equipment.

>>63978760
give them a break, the Kuzzie just got delivered its death sentence so they're kind of emotional and needing a win

>>63978853
If there comes a situation where tankers encounter drones that they can shoot down it'd be great if they knew how to do it. Is it a likely scenario? Not really, but proper militaries (ie. not the one your nation uses) have contingencies.

>>63975806
It's the national sport. Most people in the US know roughly how long a football field is given that just about every highschool has one.
I really don't understand why you're trying to make an issue out of this besides finding an excuse to go "lol stupid amerisharts".

>>63974331 (OP)
What's funny is that It seems like the US military still doesn't know the exitance of FPV drones, their concept of quadcopters are still the DJI Phantoms (that are no longer being built nor sold anymore) from ISIS days dropping grenades...

>>63978853
>ith an actual SPAAG
name the SPAAG in US inventory, dipshit. civilized nations have moved on from that shit.

>>63978936
Just buy one from the Germans instead of engaging in this nonsense.

>>63978922
More importantly its the only subject LTCs can talk about. Everything is NCAA Division 1 even when it isn't.

>>63978948
>>63978853
>engaging in this nonsense x2
bot or ESL?

Of all the things for the Vats and Wumaos to get giddy over, this is certainly a weird choice...

>>63978760
Because it is obviously jerryrigged cope that would never be done IRL, and is a sign of the efficacy of drones on current American Armor and their lack of actual counters.
This countering the brigade of /k/edditors that pretended that the US already solved the drone problem a long time ago and they never were a threat.

The US doesn't have a solution to defeating drones right now, no one does.
The above is the equivalent of giving someone a bear whistle when they go on a hike in Alaska. It isn't actually a solution. The 'solution' is just hoping that you don't come across a bear/drone.
The US has to work hard to develop an effective and affordable solution to drones that is actually usable, and that is still not extant.

>>63978948
>buy one from the Germans
what one, all the working ones that hadn't been scrapped since they were mothballed over a decade ago went to Ukrained or have been languishing in a literal park stripped of anything worthwhile for just as long. also what's s single Gepard going to do?

fucking idiot.

>>63978976
>contingency plans are bad
>also it's the only plan a military can have
Thirdie mindset is something else.

>>63978983
There is no plan other than the contingency plan because the tech to actually counter these drones effectively is not implemented by anyone, anywhere.

>>63978976
>the drone problem
this is what happens when kids grow up on ukraine war shit and never look at any other conflict.
i'll keep repeating it until the end of time
drones are not "the new meta" because they're being used in such large numbers in ukraine.
bad airforce + good AA + artillery heavy armies = stalemate = constant behind the line drone teams become viable
try doing this against a US armored brigade covered by helicopters and ground attack aircraft, which are in turn covered by SEAD doctrine.
>b-but we'll take out a few vehicles
not enough to matter.
the drone killzone only actually works if the enemy has to stand still on the frontline or can only push towards you very slowly.

>>63978991
>ooga booga fire cannot be tamed fire comes from sky gods

>>63978991
You have a brown person's understanding of drones and electronic warfare in general. Embarrassing.

>>63978991
>because the tech to actually counter these drones effectively is not implemented by anyone, anywhere.
dum r*ssoid

>>63978993
A good airforce does not eliminate the danger of drone warfare because they can be launched and controlled from an outhouse in the woods just as well as anywhere else.
Their danger is that they require a minimal level of infrastructure to arm and implement at any time. And they're particulary apt at bypassing most conventional defense measures.
They're not particularly bad in Ukraine, they're particularly bad everywhere and Ukraine just happens to be the main testing ground for the tech.
This is like saying that machine guns weren't going to change anything because the Russo-Japanese War was limited by a series of factors and wouldn't be anything like a true 'European War' - and then walking into WW1 with your dick hanging out.
You are fighting the last war again and again.

>>63979007
You have less of an understanding of it than the man who made the manual above.
You are still relying on dreams and cope, rather than dealing with actual reality on its terms.

>>63979021
How are you planning on maintaining this insurgency of drone operators if your enemy has air dominance with precision weapons and can basically sniff out any electrical signal you send out?

>>63978991
Protip: The Ukraine conflict is atypical due to it featuring two corrupt, poorly supplied militaries that cannot into SEAD and not representative of a "real" conflict involving first-world militaries, so basing overall drone effectiveness in warfare off of it just outs you as the retard you are.

>>63979032
Are you implying that any military doctrine will be built around bombing every single radio wave signal ever?
Or that modern drones give off obvious signals and can't heavily take care of themselves after deployment and are very close to invisible?

>>63979021
...you think an enemy with an effective air presence ad an ability to detect and intercept wireless signals that can easily and quickly narrowed down to known drone frequencies isn't a counter to drones operations?

>>63979036
>>63979021
Conventional SEAD methods are not designed to handle drone warfare.

>>63979043
>Are you implying that modern drones give off obvious signals
Oh my fucking god dude, please just stop.

>>63979043
>Hey sir there's this network of military aged males chatting back and forth about some shipments, what should we do?
>Nothing because we didn't just fight 20 years of that shit
You are a zoomer

>>63979021
>because they can be controlled from an outhouse in the woods
what part of this prevents them from getting annihalated?
>but they can conceal themselves
yeah, so can tanks, so can artillery, so can any kind of long range fires team.
on top of that, they give away their position because they have to actually communicate with the drone.
then on top of all that there's the fact that our EW is way better than ukraine or russia's and every time we've come up against an enemy fashioning drones in this way, they've been blocked from doing fuckall.

>they're not particularly bad in ukraine
they are, as i just described.
manpads can also be hidden and fired from anywhere, as well as having no real logistical tail, and that still doesn't shut down airforces.
>you are fighting the last war again
no, YOU are fighting the last war, you people are insistent that THIS war MUST be the game changer because look, they're using tactics that make sense in their situation!

>>63979043
>Are you implying that any military doctrine will be built around bombing every single radio wave signal ever?
Yes, if you're gonna squat your shitty 3D printed drones with RPGs in residential buildings and ambush tanks at close range they're just gonna deny you the opportunity to do it again.

>>63979055
they're not supposed to, dumbass.
they're there so your airforce and importantly: army aviation, can work to deal with that issue unfettered.

>>63979021
>They're not particularly bad in Ukraine
Yes they are you mongol retard, Ukraine is even UNIQUELY suited for drones on account of the militaries involved. Which are you, Chink or Slav?

All this thread proves is that the USA has not curbstomped a "Top 10 Army" in a while and engaged in a total occupation of the country.

>>63979050
You think that drone signals are so obvious that you can play wack-a-mole?
>>63979057
You need to grow up and stop relying on Reddit for information, as though even a majority of drones are being controlled by guys with RC Helicopter controllers or whatever you imagine, that are beaming, "kill me!!", signals.
You are like 10 years out of date on a problem that isn't even that old.

>itt: thirdies cannot begin to understand EW basics

slav inability to wage war doesn't mean USA will have the same issue. Just look at Israel curb stomping ragheads and you don't see ANY fpv or drone drops. Ziggers zig at war.

>>63979079
And by that I mean all these delusional dronetards thinking they're gonna take on a military like the USA with shitty hobby drones.

>>63979083
what is with this bizarre speech pattern you have?

>>63979083
>Totally incorrect
>Lashing out calling people redditors
dude stop

Have any of you dumb niggers actually read tank platoon or ever even heard of it before yesterday?
ATP 3-15.20 is a general tool box for tank commanders and platoon leaders+their PSGs to use. It gives you some kind of answer to most situations you'll find yourself in as a tank commander and how to solve it with the immediate equipment and tools YOU have available on your tank. Best thing you can do if you see a drone is as it says: shoot at it, let everyone know there's a a drone in the area, and then find some overhead concealment.

https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/Details.aspx?PUB_ID=1031408
Now read it and you'll see just how little of it is dedicated to drones. Bigger fish to fry here.

>>63979083
Drone are cheap and easy to use right? Could you explain why it's only an issue for ziggers but not for jews? Are camle-fuckers so bad they can't operate fpv drones?

>>63979083
>I swear to god this thing that relies on wireless communication of a certain type cannot be detected by American electronic warfare doctrine
Why are you like this?

The US military could write a manual on how POGs can use their service pistols to shoot down drones and third worldists would freak out.

>>63979083
>you need to grow up and stop relying on reddit for information
>says the sub-20 yearold babby's first war dronetard.
hey guess what faggot, i just droned your computer, your posts are now obsolete because i can hit them with an FPV drone, you should replace your computer with another FPV drone.

>>63979061
If you have too many places to bomb it becomes increasingly hard to actually deal with an issue.
In symmetrical warfare particularly it is massively more difficult to deal with a problem if the peer target can appear in disproportionate force at any place with minimal set up.
The difference between drones and tanks, is that tanks require a lot of operating infrastructure which is what your SEAD is designed to protect against enemy bombing.
Concealment during operations is one thing, concealment of operational infrastructure is far more meaningful. And drones make that a massive problem with a disproportionate cost/effectiveness ratio.

Manpads are far more limited than drones, as everyone is aware.
Ukraine isn't special. It is just the first place that people see this issue express itself, and relying on nitpicking differences to justify to yourself how this massive issue doesn't exist is burying your head in the sand.

>>63979094
already pointed out here and the numerous other threads, but the brownoids won't stop acting like this is the master document for all of the US ground forces on drone engagement

>>63979112
Good luck maintaining your network of drones when you have nothing left to maintain that network because your enemy already bombed the obvious logistical targets and you can't get shit in from China anymore because your ports of entry are closed.

>>63979089
It's a turdie using ChatGPT to create responses, the spacing alone should give it away.

>>63979089
It's call English fluency. In America we learn that in school.
You are probably a Continental European, so you wouldn't be familiar.
>>63979092
I'm preaching to a choir that is too dumb to understand the basics of the discussion.

>>63979112
then why has it only been so effective in ukraine-russia when it was also used against the US in large numbers and recently against israel in large numbers?
sounds like a skill issue to me, i think white countries are just better at EW.

>>63979112
>Ukraine isn't special
Both sides having supply and manpower issues that are unable to engage in adequate offensive capabilities or SEAD operations isn't special and applies to western militaries?

>>63979127
>It's call English fluency
You write your own jokes against you.

>>63979127
No American ever uses "Continental European", much less with capitalization you nigger.

>>63979099
>why is this issue in one conflict not appearing in this other conflict???
Animal magnetism, probably.
Hamas has never had substantial military or technical ability, nor capability to project a substantial threat.
However, one thing they did demonstrate is the potential efficacy of drones regarding their ability to penetrate the Iron Dome with low signal, low speed gliders.
That demonstrates, that a more equipped and intelligently run insurgency could have exploited the limitations of Jewish SEAD with drone warfare. Hamas never will be able to do that because of systemic lack of competency and equipment, however.

>>63979127
>i'm a zoomerite drone nigger who gets an egoboost for thinking he's ahead of the curve
notice that in all this time nobody has said drones aren't going to be taken into account.
it's just your wild fantasy of drones being the end-all-be-all and every single thing needing to adapt to some magic scenario where everything gets "countered" by a drone

>>63979127
>so you wouldn't be familiar.

>>63979127
>In America we
>You are probably a Continental European, so you wouldn't be familiar
I have literally heard Mexicans in Chihuahua sound more American than you dude holy fucking shit

>>63979129
Hamas systemically has always lacked effective technological or material organization.
Compared to other terrorist groups, they've always been less able to actually pose a threat against their enemy.
Their inability to capitalize on drone warfare is no different from their inability to capitalize on suicide bombings when Al-Qaeda or the Taliban have demonstrated its potential efficacy.
>>63979136
Given that China is the most likely future peer enemy for the US, manpower and supply problems will certainly exist for that conflict.
Current SEAD methods are not effective at dealing with drones and that is the fount of this entire issue that we haven't solved yet.

>>63979192
I am begging you to stop using ChatGPT to make your responses so we can at least feel like we're talking to a monkey instead of a half-braindead robot.

>>63979158
>hamas and IS drones were completely pitiful and accomplished fuckall
>therefore it totally would've worked if you just gave them more drones
LOL
no, they just FUNDAMENTALLY didn't work.
they got fucked by air defense and taken over/destroyed by EW and did fuckall despite the amounts used.
ukraine is a wide front, with two stalemating and thinly spread forces, that both have good enough air defense and bad airforces, that is why drones are used so much there.
you ignoring this, stamping your feet and saying
>NO, DRONES ARE OP EVERYWHERE
doesn't work.
>drone warfare is the new paradigm
>except in these cases no please stop looking

>current SEAD methods are not effective at dealing with drones
this is the second time you've said this and it makes you sound like a fucking idiot, that's not the point of SEAD, the point of SEAD is to enable everything else to fly over your territory with impunity and fuck up all the supply points and launch points of these drones.

>>63979159
What I notice is a bunch of people who get their military news from hugboxes, relying on magical thinking and just-so stories about how any upcoming problem already being solved before it even exists in ways that demonstrate clearly a lack of actual familiarity with the technology involved.
What I notice is a bunch of people that would have called the Maxim gun a toy that would be defeated by cavalry maneuver on the field of battle. And then them working backwards to justify that dream.

>>63979216
You can't magically will an endless supply of chinese 3D printer parts anon. You're arguing that the Maxim is effective at maintaining a defensive line in the era of tanks.

>>63979127
>we

>>63979216
>what i notice
is a zoomer who thinks he's figured it all out and has an argument that insists upon itself
>relying on magical thinking and just-so stories
projection, since the literal only reason you think so highly of drones is because the ukraine conflict is the first war you've ever experienced.
>NO NO TRUST ME GUYS DRONES ARE TOTALLY LIKE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MAXIM GUN AGAINST CAVALRY
this is the level of retardation you're at.

>>63979192
> Current SEAD methods are not effective at dealing with drones
According to whom, exactly?
Certainly not the Russians or Ukrainian. Neither of whom could into SEAD even if they walked into a farm supply store.

>>63979210
Hamas has never effectively deployed drones.
Nor have they ever even had a mediocre level of supply for them.
They don't even have adequate supply for basic rifle ammunition.
Organizationally, the group has always been incompetent and their failure to effectively even obtain a substantial number of drones in the first place, is no different from the million other ways they failed at being an adequate resistance movement.

Israeli air defense has never demonstrated a particular efficacy against drones because it never needed to.
The fundamental issue that you comprehend is that drones are most effective against the things that SEAD is aiming to protect and if you can't protect your assets with said SEAD, then your entire system is unable to effectively function. SEAD has to be fundamentally overhauled to deal with drone warfare because otherwise, effectively deploying your tank divisions or your attack helicopters that are so important to actually holding land and neutralizing the enemy, becomes impossible.

>A 400+ page document that is literally just "Tank Platoon Concepts 101" has a few pages focused on rudimentary anti-drone procedures
>"THIS IS PROOF THAT NOT EVEN THE US HAS MEANS TO COUNTER DRONES AND THEY ARE THE NEW KING OF THE BATTLEFIELD"
Dude what

>>63979251
…
Do you know what SEAD is?

>>63979252
it's a bugman/pidor desperately hoping that this is a HMS Dreadnought moment where all militaries have been brought to the same level because of a new tech breakthrough that renders everything else obsolete, so their dogshit nation has a chance to compete militarily with the US

>>63979251
>HAMAS has never effectivelly deployed drones
yep, THIS was not true drone warfare because it failed, sure.
>against the things that SEAD is aiming to protect
the airforce? are you off your rockers?
>effectively deploying your tank divisions or your attack helicopters that are so important to actually holding land and neutralizing the enemy, becomes impossible.
it doesn't though
>B-BUT MY DRONES CAN HIT YOU
yeah my fist can also hit you in the face, that doesn't mean the concept of a face becomes obsolete.
once again, nobody has actually denied that drones can destroy things, just your hilarious fantasy where a US armored brigade gets halted by a few drones.
notice how, when trying to dispel this, the only place you can reach for is the UKRAINE conflict, where a ukrainian armored attack failed because of helicopter and artillery attacks, not drones.

>>63979272
that is EXACTLY what it is, and it's the reason why droneniggers are so fucking hubris-filled and insecure
>n-no i invoke drone therefore i win, because you are a PRE-drone military see?

>US military hasn't fought a near-peer enemy in decades and neglects its short-range air-defense capability because it spent all its money on COIN operations
>US military scrambles to develop tactics against UAVs and staple on counter-UAS capability onto its SHORAD program after realizing that yes, duct-taping an anti-tank warhead onto a Temu quadcopter can mission-kill an Abrams

It's the "counter-IED rush" all over again. Mark my words, first there'll be a crash program to outfit every vehicle in the US inventory with a tiny radar set and HMG, and then it'll be torn apart by dumbass bureaucrats wondering why we spent so much money on another ill-thought-out kneejerk boondoggle.

>>63979291
nonono, anon, you're not getting it.
you see, an IED can destroy a tank, therefore tanks are obsolete.

>>63979296

>sirry gaijin piggu, now that we have runge mine, sensha will shinee

>>63974414
Tanks using their weapons for AA has been a thing since WW2 anon, why would that change for drones?

>>63976803
You mean something every american has been to or at least seen through their life?

>>63979291
The counter-IED rush did actually have some successes though. The difference between a HMMV and the later MRAP's was massive in terms of casualties. Of course if you have a large enough IED you can destroy literally anything and everything on the planet but the vast majority of them weren't large enough to destroy IFV's or MBT's.

>>63978853
And if you don't have an SPAAG? Just sit and twiddling your thumbs? The point is to be trained for the worst case anon not the best case

>>63978791
>>63979353

>>63978948
Anon if I had to guess the last Gepard was struck from active bundes service back when you were in diapers

>>63979055
Anon do you even know what SEAD is? This is like saying SEAD doctrine doesn't do anything about infantry. Of course it doesn't, infantry aren't air defense emplacements.

>>63979043
>Are you implying that any military doctrine will be built around bombing every single radio wave signal ever?

Yes? Why would you not bomb every radio signal in enemy territory if you can do so?

>>63978370
Competent militaries train for worst case scenarios instead of just assuming that everything will work perfectly 100% of the time.

>>63979192
>Hamas systemically has always lacked effective technological or material organization.

Hey you know what really hampers your ability to have material organization? Someone utilizing air superiority to delete your supply lines.

>>63979192
>Current SEAD methods are not effective at dealing with drones and that is the fount of this entire issue that we haven't solved yet.

Anon you know SEAD isn't meant to be a counter to drones right? It's a doctrine or targeting air defense, it has nothing to do with drones

>>63979055
>Suppression of Enemy Air Defense methods are not designed to handle drone operators
any other genius insights for us?

>>63974331 (OP)
lmao do americans REALLY??

>>63979192
>Current SEAD methods are not effective at dealing with drones
how so?

>>63979400
People from third world face cultures will never understand this.

>>63978695
>Do you want to get triangulated?
If you can see drone it means that for at least half an hour enemy observed your unit via video from spotter drone. Jeez, did you learn anything from drone warfare in Ukrainian war? There is no hiding for rank 10 km away from front line.

>>63978991
uWu whats dis den?

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2024/army/2024de_m-shorad.pdf?ver=aP_keA3PAt1C_pkWp_rAdQ%3D%3D

>>63974331 (OP)
Am I the only one baffled by the balloon inclusion?
Like, if it's low enough to be hit by your main cannon or machineguns, can't you just get the infantry to shoot at it or take pot-shots at it with your carbine so you don't waste tank ammo?

>>63978370
it reduces the stress of logistics on the frontline, one less person to bring food and water to when they spot an FPV

>>63978818
you are going to shoot an FPV drone down with a tank cannon?

>>63980019
you think your carbine can reach 4km of altitude?

>>63978934
even the drones that do hover and are doing the same thing the commercial DJI drones ISIS was using have had massive changes as well
it also isnt even talking about scout drones in this, it is pretty common that they have a digital feed drone that is just hovering and maybe equipped with a grenade/mortar but its doing spotting for infantry and the FPV drones
they also usually have two scouts up at all times and the moment one scout can see you its over, all the infantry and FPV drones are ready for you & leaving the scouts in the air just garuntees the infantry will be able to sneak up and get AT up close

>>63980045
>all you to stop a drone is a gud shotgun, sonny
>what do you mean canister shot is 120mm shotgun shells

>>63978991
what the fuck is the point of us dropping so much money into our military if some shitty 3D printed drone with an RPG duct taped to it can completely outmatch us?

>>63980045
That projectile is certainly hauling ass faster than a 50 BMG

>>63980045
Canister shot. You do know what a canister shot is, right?

>>63978934
The dotted line can be a dropped item of the path of the drone to the ground, there is no textual reference to imply or exlude either.
You are merely inferring what you want because you desperately need an excuse to mock the US to relieve some of your eternal jealousy.

>>63980065
>you are going to aim a tank cannon fast & accurately enough to hit this
https://youtu.be/08cDNbkoIuk
the FPV drones are cheaply made and mass produced, you can buy a DIY FPV drone kit off of ali express right now that is virtually identical to what they are flying in ukraine and its like $200-$300 per drone & half the time the 'explosive' is literally an RPG zip tied to the drone
those fuckers are like the size of a hawk and go 70 MPH and are extremely maneuverable, a tank is not hitting an FPV drone
the manual doesn't even account for their being FPV drones that will suicide dive into a tank, it assumes they are all the old DJI filming drones that hover and go 20-30 mph

>>63980055
A carbine may be a bit of a stretch, but firing at a balloon with a 120mm cannon or the .50 cal just seems really excessive.
Like, what if you whiff the shot?
Aren't you just going to be doing more potential damage trying to use the tank to take it down than anything else you have to hand?

>>63980069
cool, now tell me how you are actually going to land it or what the plan is when the tank misses the bird sized target going 70 MPH straight towards them

forgot to add in >>63980109 that the drones are cheap enough that its FPV drone after FPV drone, it isnt a one and done expensive piece of tech, a competent army with a budget is going to have waves of FPV drones just launching at enemies, even if a tank can land a hit on an FPV drone they will just have 2 of them flying towards them from different angles

>>63980109
>, it assumes they are all the old DJI filming drones that hover and go 20-30 mph
You wouldn't see DJI scout from tank. Those have x20 zoom camera they have no troubles to see moving tank from 10km and stationary tank from 5 km.

>>63980114
>seems really excessive
why?
a 50 cal is the least unrealistic weapon a tank platoon would have on hand to engage an aerial target with
in fact that is the raison d'etre for the HMGs carried by many tanks

>>63980127
Amazing how we saw this tried against a second world nation in Israel by Hamas and it turned out that *jams you* does in fact just werk against shitty hobbyist drones, and yet people, using that term very generously, like yourself seem to believe that somehow it'll turn out better against the US who was jamming these things back in fucking Afghanistan and Iraq because your complete lack of knowledge on the topic has you thinking that this is a new concept from the past few years instead of something that was first popularized by ISIS in the sandbox.

>>63978536
The out of touch boomers will train the military like this until we lose a bunch of tanks due to the hand signaling causing people to take FPVs to the face and enemies just start to plan for this strategy by planting AT mines in the 'cover' and waiting to initiate a drone attach until they are in position
After we get some casualties either the boomers at the top will change their mind or the tanker's self preservation will take over and an effective strategy will be found

>>63980149
yes lets just completely bank on jammers, drones arent a threat to us anymore
you are retarded if you think drones havent evolved since the obama era

>>63980166
It turns out if you've been aware of them since the Obama era, you have time to develop effective counters that don't get a lot of attention because retards like yourself don't know anything.

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2024/army/2024de_m-shorad.pdf?ver=aP_keA3PAt1C_pkWp_rAdQ%3D%3D

>>63980166
>lets just completely bank on jammers
said nobody

>>63980067
because it can't and this is thirdies looking for their dreadnought moment

>>63974331 (OP)
How does one know there's one and a half football fields ahead of a drone?

Good morning. That's been a thing since the 90's.

Turdie glee over this shows just how mindbroken they are lmao

>>63974331 (OP)
These are the new circle jerk threads about the "decadence of the evil imperialist west" by the little circle of the swarthy china lovers who spam the board? They could have picked a better example than teaching tankers to shoot shitty chink drones out of the sky.

>>63978922
because these threads, like most burger seeth threads, are /int/ threads where no life cocksuckers go on "do americans really??" tirades endlessly while e-stalking blonde women on social media.

>>63983369
Like has been said in here and the ither spam threads, this is them desperately reaching for confirmation of a drone-induced Dreadnought Effect that will reset everything and make whatever ratfuck nation they are from/stanning on par with the US. It's almost comical.

>>63978485
if you went outside you'd understand comprehending things in comparison to common life events

>>63979021
why are the not bad in the Palestinian chimp out then.

why do you faggots never answer that

>>63979192
>Hamas systemally lacked effective organization
>has survived better than the big Iranian-backed shitheels Hezbollah
>didn't capitalize on suicide bombings
>Was part of the vanguard of suicide bombings during the 1990s and 2000s
Stop. Just stop.

>>63979127
>It's call English fluency
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PUTA MERDA VOCÊ DEVE SER UM CHINA