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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:57:53 PM No.63975056
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Nogunz here, could you explain to me what's going on with these?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:11:56 AM No.63975100
>>63975056 (OP)

SIG went from being just another company to suddenly being the main provider of the US Army's rifle, and pistol. and machine gun, and sidearm, and the accessories package, etc. , all in the span of a few years.

That alone is suspicious in itself, but it's made worse given how SIG has lately been having quality control issues. In their rifles, you have bent barrels for instance, and their P320 pistol (adopted as the M17 and M18) has this "little" issue where it shoots by itself; this past week the FBI ballistics lab confirmed it and now federal agencies are avoiding these guns like the actual plague, as well as civilians.

So the question is, how did these products get adopted by Big Army? To top it off, it's a design philosophy issue: the (X)M7 is designed to be powerful on a per bullet basis and to have a lot of range and armor penetration capabilities. The problems: 1) such long ranges don't exist except in Afghanistan, which the US is out of; 2) no enemy of the US fields strong body armor at any significant scale. This raises the question of why we are making it shoot super high pressure big bullets in the first place. Additionally, it messes up logistics, as it's a brand new type of bullet, which also messes up NATO standardization. Finally, the cost of a bigger bullet is that you can carry less of them. A report by a colonel testing the gun said this is catastrophic: soldiers can carry a third less ammunition than before, leading to soldiers running out in training exercises. And all in order to gain irrelevant advantages!

To add insult to injury, it's extremely expensive. Just the scope alone, which is supposed to have fancy electronic features, costs like 12 grand each. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that a kitted out M4A1 with scope and foregrip costs the government $1000. This means that for the value of one (1) scope you could outfit an entire squad and then some! Did I mention that the scope malfunctions all the time? Whoops!
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:17:03 AM No.63975120
>>63975056 (OP)
>>63975100
further reading:

irregularities with pistol program: https://youtu.be/v0LUbLu6TqA?si=xwvbaJOVW9ngL0zl

Issues with NGSW: https://youtu.be/AcYCsNuTU2c?si=2ShU9WfTSE7jTHcW

Report claiming the gun is unfit for duty: https://youtu.be/YmxckMfHaLU?si=idNOcNiNnfSQe9bl

FBI report on pistols accidentally discharging: https://youtu.be/LfnhTYeVHHE?si=c20d9Tc_d2atQdjj
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:25:35 AM No.63975143
>>63975100
>>63975120
thanks for the detailed reply
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:49:20 AM No.63975218
>>63975100
is there any chance the government can unfuck itself (lmao)?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:50:37 AM No.63975220
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>>63975218
not happening
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 1:01:41 AM No.63975262
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>>63975056 (OP)
TL;DR Cohen's Jewish trickery not to be confused with Jewish trickery in companies like IWI were they actually make a functional firearm and then just sell it at an over priced markup because Boomer Gunsoomers will buy anything.

Kimber also suffered the same fate and struggled to recover.

>>63975056 (OP)
TL;DR
>Afghanistan
LMT and Larue were already making reliable rifles chambered in tree-ol-hate and 6.5 sneedmoor. The XM7 was created to solve a probably already addressed by established proven designs that we should have simply made more of.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:33:05 AM No.63975604
>>63975220
>not just a jew but the elite class of jews
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:41:44 AM No.63975638
>>63975220
Every. Single. Time.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:51:44 AM No.63975664
>>63975100
wow, its OP replying to himself
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:07:46 AM No.63975701
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>>63975218
>is there any chance the government can unfuck itself (lmao)?
Nope, lol.

>>63975100
>This raises the question of why we are making it shoot super high pressure big bullets in the first place.
To solve a problem already addressed by under mounted grenade launchers an just mag dumping 5.56 anywhere other than center mass. That's why we '''need''' Bubba's pissin hot super sonic steel case 30-06 boolets.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:22:50 AM No.63975749
>>63975056 (OP)
If it isn't an 11.5 PSA AR or a gen 3 Glock 19 then it's trash, simple as
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:03:55 AM No.63975853
>>63975100
To add further on the issues with the rifle. The entire NGSW program started since there is no way to meaningfully upgrade the AR while keeping the core of it, the lower receiver, intact.
Textron offered a very advanced CT design with a lot of headroom for improvement.
GD offered a also very innovative rifle and ammo design that had the potential to be applied to all US small arms with again headroom for improvement.
SIG offered what was effectively a proof pressure loaded AR10. This in addition to not really doing anything new is going to be a complete dead end with no really practical way to make a M7A1 off it repeating the same issue we have currently leading almost certainly to another rifle trial in 10 years
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:06:36 AM No.63975867
>>63975056 (OP)
Sig bought a really nice pair of knee pads and just went on a marathon dick sucking spree for military contracts.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:07:57 AM No.63975874
>>63975056 (OP)
Sig probably bribed someone to get them to adopt a new rifle to replace the M4. The new rifle solves a problem no one had by being able to penetrate armor at like 600 yards. The issue is it's big, heavy, loud, shitty to shoot and the ammo is heavy and wears out barrels. The project would be great if it was to replace designated marksman's rifles, general purpose machine guns and the 7.62x51 nato, but it's dumb as shit to replace the average grunt's rifle with a gun that is just heavier, worse to shoot and doesn't have any advantage for the average grunt over an M4
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:10:48 AM No.63975886
>>63975100
>Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that a kitted out M4A1 with scope and foregrip costs the government $1000.

Way low. Just an ACOG exceeds that.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:12:00 AM No.63975892
>>63975100
>and pistol
>and sidearm
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 4:17:48 AM No.63975916
>>63975886
BII for a M4A1 comes to like 700. Most are issued a (CM4) M68 CCO which is another 650. I don't know what we pay for RCOs but it's certainly not the sticker price. Probably like 1k for those
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:28:00 AM No.63976120
>>63975886
well but remember the govt gets bulk discounts. probably. That and also the fact that your standard M4A1 is way less advanced than civilian tacticool ambi-freefloated-mlok-pimp gun
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:29:01 AM No.63976124
>>63975892
i shall commit seppukku
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:30:19 AM No.63976127
>>63975916
>>63975886
ok, let's say the price is 2k per rifle. That's still 6 rifles for the price of one fancy scope that aside from being of marginal utility, malfunctions all the time and relies on advanced electronics that will be the first thing disrupted in a war against China.