Thread 63975692

Gripen
Unit cost: US$ 125 million

F-35A
Unit cost: US$ 85 million

Brazil should have bought the F-35A.
But US congress people aren't allowed to bribe politicians from other countries, that's why brazil bought the gripen.

>>63975692 (OP)
Because they're poor as fuck

Now compare the total cost of ownership, the F-35 is more expensive than the F-16 even if you initially save 20 million

>>63975692 (OP)
tech transfer and allowing brasil to build it locally.

>>63975692 (OP)
Brazil decided upon and finalized the deal for the Gripen before the F-35 entered operational service in the US, let alone other countries. They also got tech transfer and local production, which for Brazil is pretty good considering that they have a fairly substantial aviation industry.

>>63975692 (OP)
They didn't just buy the Gripen, they bought all the plans and the rights to build them theirselves.

>>63975692 (OP)
Redpill me on the Gripen E/F, bros

>>63975692 (OP)
>Gripen:
Swedish quality product

>F35A:
Backdoor-ridden Jewish shitbox

I think it's common sense that Brazil picked the Gripen

>>63975692 (OP)
Nice meme

>>63976765
The only thing saving it from being meme'd to death are
>gimballed AESA radar
>more powerful engine

Otherwise it will forever be that chic planes for turdies

>>63975692 (OP)
Because they're not dumb enough to buy flying anvils having rising costs from a country that changes the price of a contract
>Switzerland challenges unexpected $1.3 billion price hike in F-35 fighter deal with U.S.
>A rise in the procurement cost of US-made F-35 fighter jets has prompted strong criticism from politicians in Switzerland.
>In 2022, Switzerland signed a $7.4 billion contract to buy 36 F-35A jets. However, the US administration has since demanded a price increase, citing rising energy, raw material costs, and inflation, and informed Swiss officials of the additional payment request.
>The government is said to have estimated additional costs of about $1.7 billion due to the US request.
>The Defense Ministry insisted that a "fixed price" had been set within the contract signed on Sept. 19, 2022, but said the contract excludes legal options, so diplomatic talks continue. It also warned Switzerland may cancel the purchase if the dispute is not resolved.
>Urs Loher, head of Swiss defense procurement agency Armasuisse, said: "A contract is a contract. With the procurement of the F-35A fighter aircraft, we're suddenly faced with a different reality, despite a clear fixed price."

>>63976980
Still a real fighter unlike your dressed up trainer gookshill.

>>63977034
How's your T-7? Lmao. Westeners can't make trainers/fighters

>>63977113
Where's your block 20? where's your weapon integration? lmao

>>63977034
>gookshill

Not that guy but you know they're also making actual 2 engine fighter jet, right?

>>63975692 (OP)
Neither aircraft has open, available pricing per platform. They are always sold as giant service agreements with training, software, support, armaments etc etc.
Gripen when you add the cost of operation, is much cheaper than any current American aircraft. It's also far more suitable for Brazil, because Brazil has a crapton of small shitty airports that are big enough for Gripen but not for F-16. Gripen is also very resistant to FOBS when starting and landing, which no American aircraft is.

>>63975692 (OP)
nobody's selling huezilians F-35 and never in a million years at US procurement prices

>>63977221
Yes, a total clusterfuck of a 4th gen fighter that tries to larp as 5th gen.

>>63975692 (OP)
>why didn't the US government sell their F-35 to a corrupt BRICS member guys?!?!?!?!
Gee that's a real mystery OP, I guess we'll never know what was going on in the heads of the average Congressmen at the time... Also why the Gripen hate? They're neat little aircraft if you ask me.
>that's why brazil bought the gripen.
Brazil is poor anon, even more so since China slurped up 90% of the steel market. And besides their biggest national '''threat''' is Venezuela, surp FAL's and Gripens are more than enough to deal with a bunch of starving commies in the jungle slowly dying from Zika and Malaria.

>>63976799
>Swedish quality product
Indeed, Micro T2's also rock.

>>63975692 (OP)
>>63975732
This.
But also bribery;
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/brazils-jas-39-gripen-fighter-purchase-under-investigation-213217

>>63975692 (OP)
>But US congress people aren't allowed to bribe politicians from other countries, that's why brazil bought the gripen.
Are you proud of this analysis?

>>63979174
Eh, it's just burgerian faggotry, to find a pretext to stop F414 deliveries. Seems like having a real competitor to that antiquated F-16 shitpile is crimpin they style.

Because the Brazilian govt and the Air-Force at the time wanted not just the plane. They wanted:

>Full tech transfer
>The source code
>Production in the country (by Embraer)
>Let their own MIC to supply parts for the aircraft (thus minimizing ITAR bullshit)

The only ones who agreed to this deal were the Swedish. The US you never allow it and the French fucked up because they tried to bribe everyone and got caught.

In the end the Gripen was the best choice since now only their own MIC gets more know-how, now they're gonna produce Gripens for the Colombians and Peruvians.

>>63975692 (OP)
brazilian here, saw them flying over my house once

>>63975692 (OP)
First, the U.S.A. would never sell the F-35A/B/C to a Chinese ally, least of all at U.S.A.F. procurement prices. Second, Brazil bought the rights to produce Gripens domestically, so they get tech transfers too.

>>63978919
>Also why the Gripen hate? They're neat little aircraft if you ask me.
But nobody asked you. It's a trash plane that is riddled with US hardware for a specific scandi-border-patrolling niche mission profile and literally zero stealth tech.

>>63979887
I got to enter the C-390 once, it's actually a lot smaller than i thought IRL.

>>63979981
My unfocused eyes thought it was a screenshot from a certain memed to death movie intro...

>>63980025
lmao, it does looked like it

>>63975692 (OP)
>letting muttzil a bricshitskin member and judeo-communist chinese ally acquire an F-35

>>63979958
*laugh in Singaporean*

>>63975692 (OP)
Buddy, if your turf had been messed up by America as much as Brazil's (not to mention their neighbors), you'd be iffy about dealing with the US too.

>>63979837
What does "source code" mean in a fighter jet?

>>63980221
Basically avionics, weapons control, EW, etc...

Like for example they can put their own missiles if they want without having to ask Sweden.

>>63976540
>tech transfer and local production
Yeah that'll do it. I wonder if Embraer tried making their own design and failed, or if they just didn't want to? Either way, Brazil is pretty much as non-aligned as they come (maybe a slight pro-US lean) so they need this more than most

>>63980243
>I wonder if Embraer tried making their own design and failed

There was the "MTF-LF", which was supposed to be an advanced trainer, like like the M436, but in the end they decided to use the T-27 Tucano as a basis, which ended up being the Super Tucano.

>>63976765
Cope third worlder delta wing

>>63978919
>Also why the Gripen hate? They're neat little aircraft if you ask me.
It is a cope third worlder delta wing.

India should buy the gripen too.

Also, it uses a cope crank to change the engines.

>>63980549
*posted it again award*

>>63975692 (OP)
you don't buy airframes alone but also supplmentary equipment, spare parts, training, simulators, weapons, other services to help with introduction and operation
there are also ongoing maintenance costs, everything in favor of gripen

>>63975692 (OP)
Why would Brazil buy a plane from a country threatening them with a 50% tariff?

>>63980704
They learned that lesson when they tried to buy Phantoms in the 70's and got denied.

>>63975692 (OP)
It largely came down to the NSA leak scandal back in the day, which basically vaporized the American bid + SAAB offering to train Brazilian engineers and share more technology so that Brazil can develop its own planes
>t. American who lives in Brazil

>>63980818
>>t. American who lives in Brazil

ew leave

>>63979958
Brazil is not a Chinese ally, Brazil is just opportunistic about using China as a counterweight to the US and give Uncle Sam an occasional fright for bargaining situations, but that's it.

>>63980826
stfu boiola there's like 1 trillion BRs living in Florida and Massachusetts. I get to live in São Paulo until then

>>63980845
>like 1 trillion BRs living in Florida and Massachusetts

Most of them are chicanos with little to no connection to us.
It's like saying John Gomez from Ft. Lauderdale is 100% culturally Mexican. (he isn't)


Also >São Paulo, bruh at least move to a decent city like Santos or Campinas.

>>63980861
>Chicanos
Chicano is a term for Mexican descendants only, you retard. Not even Cuban or Dominican descendants are 'Chicano', it's literally in the name bro (MexiCANO)
Most Brazilians in the US are pretty recent arrivals and plenty of them speak Portuguese, in fact I'd wager you'll hear more Portuguese than actual accent free Anglo-American English in Miami these days. They have plenty of connection to you, especially when they were literally born there and still have BR passports lmao
>It's like saying John Gomez from Ft. Lauderdale is 100% culturally Mexican. (he isn't)
It's like saying Juan Carlos who was born and raised in Baja California but moved to Texas in his 20s for a job is Mexican (he is!)
>bruh at least move to a decent city like Santos or Campinas.
São Paulo is pretty great if you live in a neighborhood like Pinheiros, Jardim Europa, etc. literally got everything I need here and the city center is actually kino (if art hoes and law students from USP aren't scared of going there then neither should you). Santos and Campinas are too provincial sorry, if I want a cozier smaller city I'll just do it properly and go to Caxias do Sul or Pinto Bandeira in RG

>>63976556
>They didn't just buy the Gripen, they bought all the plans and the rights to build them theirselves.

oh boy. we see how good they did with taurus

>>63980025
>Aquele que veste a máscara.
Bão?