And as usual : cope if you must (and you will)

As an aussie, put us down into E. Our command staff is so fucked, our requisition process is so fucked, we don't have anywhere NEAR enough naval vessels, planes or armoured vehicles to reliably defend the size of Australia AT ALL, our only saving grace is the infantry tends to be generally well motivated and trained and that's about it.

>>63976279 (OP)
Jokes aside, as a Briton myself I'd place China and possibly even Japan ahead of us, if we're going by conventional arms alone. China can simply outproduce us and a confrontation between the RN and PLAN would inevitably end with a PLAN victory by attrition if anything.

>>63976279 (OP)
why is 'it*ly' rated so high ? Since the army is basically a Siculo-neapolitan welfare program, I doubt it could resist any real fight, at least if the adults in the room (US, France, Germany, UK) don't come at the rescue.

>>63976279 (OP)
Serbia?

>>63976279 (OP)
as a Canadian, I'd say the Norks would face roll all over us

the big ukrainian counter offensive was equal in size to the entire uk army. it got easily rolled by russia on the defensive.

>>63976279 (OP)
I can smell your fish breath already

>>63976288
>tfw we probably can't even defend this

>>63976279 (OP)
>Z tier : Russia
Jej
Otherwise the ranking is mostly correct, there’s only a few minor corrections to be made

>>63976288
our active military would last about a week against china, and we'd lose more than they would since they have so many more assets of equal quality.

op is a coping retard.

>>63976288
>>63976289
>>63976302
>”As a (white western country inhabitant)”
Thread is already invaded by bug/brown people larping as demoralized westerners

>>63976288
Agreed, half of SE asia is above us and the only reason Indonesia didn't push our shit in over East Timor is the US was an ally back then.

>>63976334
There is a difference between being patriotic and being a jingoistic retard.
I want us to build a nuclear triad because we don't have the manpower or economy to maintain a powerful conventional military.

>>63976334
or you know, our nations are actually shit and you're coping. they all need to increase money spent on munitions and systems, and stop importing so many immigrants that suck money from the government and decrease the morale of the people.

>>63976343
my country (oz) 100% needs to develop nukes yesterday. simple tel and silo-based midgetman copies hidden away in the outback will do.

>>63976334
I'd like to think that Britain's greatness was built by realistic and intelligent statesmen who didn't overestimate our abilities purely out of pride or stupidity. Only an idiot would think that we can outproduce China in a naval war in 2025. Wake up to the real world of the 21st century ffs

>>63976279 (OP)
>Not "USA" and "everyone else"
Troll thread

>>63976279 (OP)
greese, huezil, and shitaly belong in brown town

>>63976335
The Indonesians are retarded thats why. Besides F-111s were always ready to rape them

>>63976334
Shut the fuck up, you insecure piece of shit. You are either false flagging to make the rest of us look bad or genuinely making us look bad.
All anglo countries' militaries are jokes that only exist thanks to the US babysitting them for 70 years.

>got clowned by rice farmers so hard they had to invent new weapon platform and by goat herders just recently
>S tier

>>63976288
The depressing reality is that even for as retarded as we are I suspect most of our neighbours are even more retarded, which makes us look a hell lot more better.

>>63976335
>and the only reason Indonesia didn't push our shit in over East Timor is the US was an ally back then.
Any attempt by Indo’s to make a push on UNAMET forces would of ended with F-111’s dropping HE on them and Jakarta long before the US could get involved.

>>63976442
>HE
The F111 is a nuclear strike bomber. Australia directly participated in nuclear testing and got test data from it, has much of the world's uranium and has been a world leader in mining and high-tech (and concealable, eg laser-based) enrichment forever.

If you've ever looked at Australia's defence posture and said "This posture makes no sense and isn't credible at all from what's publicly known," then I completely agree with you and would suggest that the answer has been staring you in the face the whole time.

>>63976279 (OP)
>Spain; B-
wut
>>63976418
How many days would it take us to blow out your national asshole, turdie?
Could you even transport a token fighting force to another hemisphere?

>>63976477
> The F111 is a nuclear strike bomber. Australia directly participated in nuclear testing and got test data from it, has much of the world's uranium and has been a world leader in mining and high-tech (and concealable, eg laser-based) enrichment forever.
Unfortunately the past 80 years of scaremongering propaganda from communisst/Russia and native fossil fuel companies (strange bedfellows) have made even the idea of nuclear reactors politically unthinkable in our nation, our time for acquiring nukes was the 50’s/60’s and now unless something really fucked happens it would be political suicide for any government to make a rush for the bomb.
>If you've ever looked at Australia's defence posture and said "This posture makes no sense and isn't credible at all from what's publicly known," then I completely agree with you and would suggest that the answer has been staring you in the face the whole time.
I do agree with that wholeheartedly, the fact that our only land based air defence system for the past thirty or so years has been the RBS-70 boggles the mind. I’am happy that we are getting NASAM’s but we still need long range AA like Patriot/THAAD.

>>63976279 (OP)
>russia so weak we have to bump up nato spending by another trillion.

I don't think the secret war is going so hot you guys

>>63976279 (OP)
bongland too high

>>63976477
As an aussie that saw us kill our space program when requested, kill our domestic aviation industry when requested and have a PM coop'd by the CIA and take it like bitches I guarantee our elitist ruling class detached from reality have no interest in having a secret nuclear program that would upset the US.
And it would upset the US because nuclear powers don't need a US alliance for defence which drastically reduces US soft power.

>>63976501
Nuclear power is bad because it's expensive compared to other options, I don't want it for our grid I just want one as a cover to build an enrichment plant and get the bomb.

>>63976612
>it's expensive compared to other options
In the long term it isn't.

>>63976501
>Unfortunately the past 80 years of scaremongering propaganda from communisst/Russia and native fossil fuel companies (strange bedfellows) have made even the idea of nuclear reactors politically unthinkable in our nation, our time for acquiring nukes was the 50’s/60’s and now unless something really fucked happens it would be political suicide for any government to make a rush for the bomb.
You've misunderstood. In the 1970s we developed the ability to rapidly, cheaply and covertly enrich uranium via a technique using lasers. No one needed to seek the permission of voters to build any reactors or centrifuges or to crash build any bombs, because we had already built and stockpiled them using uranium we enriched in this fashion and design expertise we gained from participating in the British test program. When we retired the delivery platform in 2010, we even commercially sold the enrichment technology to several allied states whose ability is desirable to us (Canada, Japan, and also America, but probably not for proliferation reasons to the last one).

>>63976619
>whose ability is desirable
*whose ability to proliferate is deemed

>>63976617
It is because of neutron embrittlement, yes plants shutting early due to political pressure artificially increase the average cost per kw/h but it's still fucking expensive to rebuild the cost every 20 years.

>>63976623
*rebuild the CORE every 20 years.

>>63976605
>nuclear powers don't need a US alliance for defence
Yeah, they kinda do. Nukes are neat and all but without US or Soviet-tier investment in getting enough of them to where you want them and investment in defense against them they're just a promise that anyone who poses an existential threat to you will pay a non-negligible price for their aggression. The nuclear taboo mainly exists because nobody - nuclear and non-nuclear powers alike - wants the use of nuclear weapons to be normalized.

>>63976501
>Unfortunately the past 80 years of scaremongering propaganda from communisst/Russia and native fossil fuel companies (strange bedfellows)
Yeah and the Simpsons really fucked Boomer's perception of nuclear energy too despite it being fucking fiction. Ironic that this is the same generation that told us Millennials not to believe everything we see on TV.
Like no lakes don't suddenly glow fucking green if you build a nuclear power and in fact your drinking water is gonna be a hell of a lot cleaner than if say you lived next to a coal plant. Less destructive too, mega dams by comparison fuck ecosystems up in all kinds of ways often leading to drought for anyone down stream.

>>63976279 (OP)
>bong
>A tier
lol no

>>63976279 (OP)
i'd put greece, turkey, ukraine, poland, vietnam, china, south korea and norks higher. mostly just because no matter what they have tons of equipment and recruits.

>>63976279 (OP)
Why the fuck is South Korea so low?
Nukes aside, they'd likely beat the UK. Just look at the equipment list for the RAF vs Korean air force, then navy, army, etc. It's all comparable or better.

>>63976279 (OP)
>Best Korea being that low
They've got one of the largest standing armies in the world and are currently keeping Russia on life support. The US had to somehow convince Greeks an Turks to fight side by side plus a million other countries to keep the DPRK in check.
>Worst Korea being that low
Also one of the largest standing armies in the world and last I checked Poland can't stop gobbling up their K9 thunder mobile artillery guns. Their cars and smartphones in the Peoples Republic of Samsung are mostly trash though.
>South Africa being that high
Why? I get why Vietnam is there but South Africa is a meme country that lost to Angola and only exists because the British Empire forced the Boers and Zulu's to live under a single government because that simplified their gold pillaging logistics.
>Japan being that high
Fair enough, I love their high end rifle scopes, top fucking notch. Plus the Toyota Hilux is funnily enough one of the most successful military vehicles in all of history which was probably a complete accident on Japan's part but that just speaks volumes to it's reliability and versatility, they made the thing Africa proof.

>>63976841
would

>>63976298
Go back to /pol/, you are recognizeable from miles away. You know nothing about military matters

>>63976279 (OP)
Spain and sweden should be at C level

>>63976841
Poland criteria for buying is bribes and fast delivery, not quality

>>63976335
East Timor was a UN operation
Messing with it would get them sanctions and potentially a harder fucking than they got

>>63976915
On paper, the reality is it was Aussies, New Zealand and Thailand, unless you commit forces it's just cheerleading.

>>63976304
>ignores airforce
typical, why does everyone do this?

>>63976418
>thirdie does his
>you didn't massacre all of us therefore the US is weak and loses pitched military battles
>routine again
boring, come up with a new cope.

>>63976503
if it's going so well for russia then why are you over here coping?

>>63976279 (OP)
Sounds right, I'd even move Ukraine up +1, but not now, maybe in two years when they get more indigenous weapons.

>>63976900
Where is your rebuttal?

i don't think putting italy on the same tier of spain is legit.

>>63977044
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh4e6EmqC4I&t=1s
Rebuttal about what? He didn't make a single argument. He's just an indian from /int/ and /pol/ that since a few years back has started a crusade about Italy.

>>63976971
russia af and sams could keep the bong af at bay, though (ukraine had far more sam systems than uk overall). they don't have the numbers for the attrition required. both sides would just end up using stand-off munitions after the losses start piling up.

>>63977135
>russia af and sams could keep the bong af at bay
lmao

>>63976605
You're a retard who needs to stop watching friendlyjordies. Australia didn't even want to support its car industry but go on cry that it was Americas fault the government is too cheap to fund a Space Agency or Aviation industry

Australia doesnt even budget for a credible military but you bitch about muh elites not bothering with nukes. Hey retard how are we going to launch them? Australia doesn't have bombers that can reach China or America. Australia hasn't got any nuclear powered submarines and the ones Australia are getting is because America is holding Australia's hand. While Australia has no missiles that can reach all corners of the pacifc and even if Australia did have land based missiles they would be easily targeted by America and China who actually can afford nuclear deterrents.

>muh Cia coop
>muh alliance
>muh us soft power

Go back to r/Australia with these dogshit takes

>>63977137
yes
typhoons are outgunned via axehead and long-range sams
fat obese stealth penguins will need to expose themselves to be effective

there's also the fact that russia can hit their airbases at a whim, so many will be destroyed on the ground.

>>63976288
I thought Australia was just reliant on its wildlife to defend the country for them?

>>63977157
Depends on the wildlife is defending from, if its the chinese they'd just eat the wildlife.

>>63977157
no one would really want to invade oz militarily (too far off the beaten path); china figured out mass immigration is enough to extract resources from it without needing to bother with a war.

the issue is we may be forced into a war with them on the sea, and unless the coalition is a big one, we'll get destroyed. we don't even have ssns (meaning, it's ober if it kicked off before having several of them).

>>63977135
Kek because russian AD has proved itself so well against cesena drones, let alone the F-35s that levelled a nation protected by S300 trash
Kys retarded vatnigger faggot

>>63977145
Bwahahahahahhahaha. what blew up this time?

>>63977145
Subhuman slav, we already saw the performance of russian SAMs in Iran.

>>63976279 (OP)
France is above UK. UK has stronger elements than France, like the Royal Marines, or a better logistical fleet (navy) than France, and F35s, but France has a much stronger "whole package". The Scorpion Porgram is well and truly being implemented, which by itself, makes France more capable on the field. But its close.

Ukraine being behind Switzerland is beyond stupid, and I say that having done my service in the infantry in Switzerland. Ukraine should be in A tier frankly. No other EU country has their experience, and today, in a hypothetical conflict between Ukraine and Germany, Ukraine would just drown Germany in bodies, 150mm shells, and drones.

Spain is probably inferior to the Netherlands, and easily behind Poland.

Furthermore, while the list is relatively sound other than that, it's still very European focused. The Asians have some serious militaries, like Indonesia: Indonesia is easily above Brazil, so is Vietnam.

>>63977138
>Australia didn't even want to support its car industry
Lol we gave them billions and they failed anyway because subsidizing vital industry is always worse than just buying it out and nationalizing it.

>Australia doesnt even budget for a credible military
Because we are still racking up debt because we won't tax the mines.
>Hey retard how are we going to launch them?
By building rockets too, to give you some idea how much money we are missing out on if we taxed like Norway we would get $78B a year just from gas and another ~$50B from iron and coal.

>Australia doesn't have bombers that can reach China or America
Don't need them, the best part of being an island is if an invasion is launched we don't have to decide between nuking their land or ours we can nuke them on the ocean.

>>63976279 (OP)
>Official world militaries tier list
i never know if industrial base and mil tech capabilities are part of these list

biggest difference is probably for Germany
one of the only 4 countries (USA, China, France, Germany) who, theoretically, have every part of the supply chain domestically
but for actual, exiting military it's mediocre for it's size
then you look again at mil (high) tech output or how quick they can scale up production and it's a completely different picture

supply chain robustness is also typical underrated
if you depend on complex and easily blockable imports for you MIC
you whole industry is basically worthless
(e.g. USA, China or Germany who produce some critical microcontrollers and other chips domestically)

>>63976279 (OP)
Hello where is the discussion about Finland :D

>>63976477
>secret uranium enrichment using lasers

larp

>>63976279 (OP)
>Czech Republic C-
Nah, more like E. We produce good weapons but oue own military has been underfunded in a way very similar to our German neighbours.
t. Czech

>>63976288
You don't have enough population to defend Australia. Period. It's a fucking whole continent. Don't be so harsh on yourself. Anything of value is located on the east an south shore anyway.

>>63977360
S tier defensive military, E tier offensive.

>>63976900
The meme armed forces in 'it*ly' are an ethnic Siculo-neapolitan monopoly and their only use case is crushing an independentist uprising in Lombardy. Change my mind, Calogero (not holding my breath, lol)

>>63977453
You're a broken record and you're not even italian, Pajeet.
>Calogero
Cosa pensi che sia un terrone?

>>63977488
I don't see any argument there Calogero (or honorary Calogero, which is worse).
Post the ethnic composition of your meme 'it*lian' armed forces. Even it is says (example) 65% Siculo-neapolitan, that would hide the fact that many from Lombardy or Tuscany or Rome are second/third generation Siculo-neapolitans, hybrids, mystery meat and so on.

>>63977488
mi chiamo anon, mi piace calcio, e tu?

Ukrainians are right now the most combat experienced troops of the world right now.
Hell, even Russia should be a little higher just because their suicide missions perk. Not all countries could use their soldiers like a videogame.

>>63977561
>I don't see any argument there
Can't read? feel free to disprove anything said in the video I posted. I'm sure being a fat neet in Promba Pradesh you have a lot of free time.
>>63977564
>can't even write in italian
lol

>>63977586
>>can't even write in italian
Im trying :(

>>63977586
>can't even write in italian
can you?

there sure are a lot of pro-china posters on this morning.

>>63978122
if best korea out produces the west in its ability to manufacture artillery and ballistic missiles. what do you think that implies?

>>63977135
>russia af and sams could keep the bong af at bay
:DD

>>63977276
lmao. indonigger can't into being subtle.
enjoy being eternally in debt for buying weapons you can never afford.
and despite all your shilling on this thread (and replying to your own post LMAO), literally nobody think that you are a military power. In fact, nobody thinks about you at all. You're just that irrelevant.

>>63978110
Certo che so scrivere in italiano. O te preferis che te scriev en dialet?

>>63976279 (OP)
Israel in A, Sweden and Ukraine in B-
Otherwise I could agree with the rest

>>63976418
>military did all they were asked then politicians fucked it up
Many such cases.

big ups to Lebanon for not even making the list.

>>63976279 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXf5j7mRWA

Switzerland B tier, you can't even nuke us we have like 110% population bunker capacity

>>63981349
No we are not in B tier.... I did my military service at Birmensdorf, Infantry, long service, and the quality of our conscripts is trash. No one could realistically invade us thanks to all our bunkers and mountains, but in actual quality of military? Every professional army in Europe is higher in quality

>>63976279 (OP)
>Britain
>Runner-up
A country with more admirals than ships kek

>>63980520
Israeli troops can't fight for shit. All they have going for them is Western support.

>>63977157
It would work in theory, if all of SEA didn't find said wildlife (including insects and arachnids) to make for a delectable supper.

>>63976279 (OP)
remind me again how many tanks does the uk have?

>>63976279 (OP)
If you're going to make one of these at least try

>>63985050
>France above UK
>when they rely on UK to do anything in Africa
>Italy above UK, Poland, Turkey, Israel and Germany
>Japan with zero force projection
Fucking what?

>>63985050
The saudis really do suck

>>63985050
no venezuela but mexico

>>63976279 (OP)
S and A tier combined lost to the taliban

>>63977157
This meme about Australian wildlife being dangerous is insane
In fact, Australia has the safest land-based wildlife of any continent

>>63976279 (OP)
There is a mistake here, though. Since Russia is literally the European America, they should be on the same level.

>>63986092
Actually I correct this, Europe is safer
Don't talk about Antarctica that's a meme

>>63986095
>literally the European America
*literally the European China

>>63986111
Nah, Europe's NUMBA WAN! spot is already taken by Poland. At least ideologically.

>>63976279 (OP)
If this list was real, there would be no opposition to countries allied to the US.

>>63976279 (OP)
>Australia
>C-
Lmao, we can barely defend ourselves thanks to an absolutely fucked 2 decades of procurement, we're just lucky we surrounded by turdies and NZ. We're in a worse spot than Canada.

>>63977157
90% of Australians live on the coast. Occupying the country would be nearly impossible, but it doesn't take much to threaten our major population centers and economic lifelines. Kill the port cities and you kill most of our population and our economy. Realistically though, you just need to threaten our trade militarily to cow us into submission. Fortunately only a couple of nations have the ability to project that kind of naval power at the moment, and they are our friends. But there's a reason why China sailed those warships around Aus at the start of the year. Those 3 ships (a type 055, 05a, and a supply ship) had more VLSs than our entire surface fleet combined, and Uncle Chang knows it.
Decades of plan cancellations, cost overruns due to trying to modify foreign designs for our needs, and kowtowing to Adelaide shipyards has fucked our fleet. We are fortunate that both India and Indonesia are fucking retarded. If they ever modernised we would be boned.
We also don't have any money because the Murdoch and the Business Mining Council killed Rudd Government tax reforms.

>>63986558
>Business Mining Council killed Rudd Government tax reforms.
Yeah man. Australia's biggest issue deffinitely is a weak Labor party. That's your number one problem, not enough leftist politics.
I think we can all agree that if there's one thing leftist manage well it's long term monetary decisions and building competent military force.

>>63986594
Can you demonstrate a clear trend of deterioration of the Australian economy for cases when the Labour party has been in power vs. a reversal when the Liberals have been in power?

Neither consistently outperforms the other

>>63986594
>Howard govt focuses on turning the military into a expeditionary force for the US
>The libs total provided a well managed and thoughtful procurement process during the Abbot-Turdbull-Scumo era
>Supporting the libs, ever, on a Bhutanese musket cleaning forum
Shiggiddy diggy. Also Gillard (an Israeli patsy) and Albo aren't any better. /ourguy/ Kevin 07 is the only good thing that has happened to this in the last 3 decades.

>>63976279 (OP)
As a Czech serviceman, the Czech placement here is extremely delusional.

>>63977393
>Anything of value is located on the east an south shore anyway.
yeah

>>63986706
Yeah, sorry m8. I flubbed that one. Those are just uranium.

>>63986065
>Taliban hid in Pakistan and moved back in when S and A tier combined got tired of trying to build a functional country out of tribal subhumans and fucked off

FTFY
3,621 deaths in 20 years of occupation with 120,000 coalition troops at the peak of GWOT, compared to Soviet 58,000 dead in 9 years with 620,000 troops at peak.

>>63986703
the entire list is bait
Switzerland is equal to Poland
Greece is above North Korea
Sweden is above Germany

actual list coming through btw

>>63986723
again
bait list

>>63976279 (OP)
Switzerland is B - tier, so is Poland. Ukraine is C - tier, like the Netherlands and Germany. Czechia is C tier and Taiwan too. Canada is B - tier or B tier. Best Korea is A tier, Worst Korea B tier. China is B tier, Israel A tier. Mexico, Turkey and Russia are C - tier.

>>63986726
it is not a bait list stupid nigger
>inb4 muh russia
name another country that is on a full war economy, has recent full scale war experience, and fields a million+ strong army (pro-tip: it's ukraine)

>>63986732
you put Saudi Arabia's military above Brazil, why would I take anything there seriously

yes goyim, the Israeli military is definitely as powerful as France, Russia, and China

>>63986734
brazil has what, 250 leopard 1 (ONE) tanks lol! and like 10 gripens while saudi arabia has 600 abrams ,150 amx leclercs, 300 tomcats, 70 eurofighters and has current war experience
retard

>>63976279 (OP)
simply move Israel and Ukraine to the C- tier and everyone else to the F tier since they have no fucking clue what to do in the case of a war.

>>63976279 (OP)
Saw UK at A tier, immediately stopped looking. UK is a joke. Wouldn't even be able to beat Poo land

>>63976279 (OP)
>World's most powerful military

>>63976279 (OP)
Sounds about right, except the meme categories bring nothing to the table, better shuffle them into the real ones.

Spain has a military?

can I get a QRD on Japan's "military"?
I get they have the weird constitutional restraints but are they as effective as is implied in the OP?

>>63976279 (OP)
The majority of the "high" ranked countries have irrelevant armies with close to zero warfare experience.

>>63986732
>has recent full scale war experience
Why would that matter if you crashed your army so much that it will take at least 20-30 years before you could do another invasion like this?

>>63976279 (OP)
I thought Japan couldn't have a Military. How can it be graded?

>Spain
>B tier
>Above fucking ukraine, aka the only European country that has fought an actual peer to peer war in it's entirety since WW2
lol
lmao even
they have like 100k men for a 50 million country

>>63976279 (OP)
Clearly Too high:
Japan, Spain, Greece

Clearly Too low:
Canada, France, South Korea, and Turkey.

Possibly too low:
Taiwan and Russia.

Possibly too high:
Britain.

What was this based on? Your favorite anime characters or something?

>>63987292
This board is just a lose collection of reddit boards. The tards and troon here base their beliefs on the Marvel's Avengers.

>>63976279 (OP)
If we are talking overall combat effectiveness, SK and Ukraine are way too low and for as much as ruzzia is punching below it's weight, it would still be around B or B- by sheer amount of willing fodder and artillery

Poland in C? Since when are we that good?

>>63976279 (OP)
I know our military is still in the shitter, but I guarantee that Canada could take the South Africans. Also Ukraine should be at very least B tier.

>>63986603
At least in the US, in pretty much all of the post-WW2 period, at least, the general pattern has been the right ramping up the deficits and debts and leaving the left to clean up their messes.

>>63976838
>Nukes aside, they'd likely beat the UK
At what? That's a war South Korea doesn't even have the capability to wage, they lack the power projection. Even setting aside the "no nukes" cope.

>>63986901
On paper, Japan's military is about on par with the UK's. But the UK has nukes, and much more experienced troops, and apparently their armed forces have demonstrated better/more flexible leadership in its officer corps. There's a little apples/oranges thing going on, though, since the UK's military is geared towards expeditionary campaigns, and Japan's is geared towards home territory defense.

>>63987303
>vatnik detected.

>>63987474
Dude, are you kidding? You're in close running for the toughest NATO country in Europe.

>>63977137
>>63977239
>>63978231
Where did that f-16 go again?

>>63987589
where did those SU-25s, Mig-29s, SU-34s etc? I admit that hald of those were downed by russian incompetence, but still..

Every list with the US at the top is a bait list since I guarantee not a single American wants to die for Taiwan or the Baltics, so there isn’t much of a point of their armed forces sans randomly blowing up jihadis

>>63985050
only half-decent tier list in this thread, the rest are all completely fucking retarded

>>63977135
>they don't have the numbers for the attrition required
>if they were retarded russians and were relying on attritional warfare
not how that works, western armies intend to NOT lose people and materiel fruitlessly, and just beat you quickly without turning it into a meatgrinder contest.
>>63977145
oh, my apologies, you're just a fucking retard then, forget i said anything.

>>63985050
France and UK are probably the two most comparable and similar militaries on earth, with both pipping one another in specific ways, and together compliment each other perfectly
Why would you put them in seperate tiers?
Also bongs and frogs (actually moreso bongs) are the only non US armed forces that have proven capable of actually deploying their assets where they want
China probably could in theory and are clearly significantly greater than both, but lots of things in theory can be very wrong
Did you try anon?

>>63976279 (OP)
> Brazil in C
Kek.Our airforce is bleeding pilots because of Lula's(Fidel's) strategy of stifling the armed forces to put a bolivarian guard in its place.We are an F at best now.

>>63987604
Not much risk of death or injury when you're piloting a drone from your home office.

>>63976279 (OP)

Sweden is brown people tier - we have no armed forces as in them being capable to do more than march in the annual pride parade.

>>63986985
They are outproducing EU in shells and drones, but don't worry. They will import a million or so indians and they can invade again.
nta.

>>63977586
>can't even write in guinea
oh the horror. the absolute tragedy

>>63988226
The EU is going to be like a third Indian in 2 decades so don't flex too much, A lot of the country is becoming basically uninhabitable due to heat waves and water shortages and one small fart and less people than the nation of India would notice leaving would completely supplant the population of any host nation.

>>63976279 (OP)
>eurotrash
>above Pakistan

>>63976360
>Australia starting a nuclear program
Not when you’re spending all of your money on petrol sniffers and “refugees”, Bruce

>>63987474
we're not they're just reading western journo bullshit to bait us into conflict with ruskis

>>63988890
>Muslim
>Poos
How do they eek out the competence they have with such critical nerfs bros?

>>63984495
多汁的澳大利亚大餐?!

>>63976971
The RAF has like five bombs. I'm sure they're very accurate bombs but you need more than that to win a war.

>>63976279 (OP)
South Africa is now Z tier. Just recently they lost to Congolese rebels due to having no working aircraft to support them. We have large numbers of vehicles buy none of them are operational. An example would be the Airforce that has 20 odd Gripens but only 6 are flyable. A similar amount of hawk trainers but only 5 are flyable. Only 1 transport helicopter is operational and zero attack helicopters are operational. The army is in the same situation.

>>63987560
Nta buy he ain't wrong this board went to shit the moment lefties that never touched a gun came to this board after the ukraine war.

>>63986544
>Worse spot than Canada
I seriously doubt this. Your Navy is in a much better state, 6 subs vs 4 (that don't work), 3 aegis destroyers vs 0, 2 LHDs vs 0, 7 Anzacs in better shape and more capable than our 12 Halifax class, better helicopters.
Your air force is far superior with f35s, Superhornets, Poseidon's, and AWACS.
The Armies are pretty even, though you guys do have attack helicopters.

>>63976418
>S tier
more like ASS tier kek

>>63976360
Always thought it was weird they didn't have one. Its position to Asia makes it great missle base and your sitting on a literal gold mine of uranium already.

Then again Australia and New Zealand are the only places that would be untouched if nukes ever did fly so that would change things if development started

>>63990036
>Then again Australia and New Zealand are the only places that would be untouched if nukes ever did fly so that would change things if development started
The Kiwis are probably safe but we are going to eat a couple. Military installations like Pine Gap and Darwin a getting some and our largest cities like Sydney and the capital Canberra are also probably going to get it.
Not me though, I live in Tasmania and will get to survive the collective global “nigga moment”

>>63976288
Well not shit nigga. Europe and America have like 10-20 million people in one city. We have 26 million people across a continent the size of America.

We're getting:
>Whole new line of general purpose frigates
>Replacing current frigates with new top of the line ASW frigates
>Replaced Harpoon with NSM
>Going from diesel to nuclear subs
>Upgrading from a few dozen F-A/18 to 72 F-35
>Latest version of E-A/18 Growlers
>Increased from 64 M1A1 to 75 M1A2
>LAVs replaced with Boxers
>New capability with HIMARS
>New capability with tracked SPG
>M113 replaced with Redback IFV
>NASAMS for air defence
>Latest AWACS and ISR planes
>New capability with long duration recon drones
>Whole new fleet of logistics trucks
>Whole new fleet of vehicles to replace Land Rovers
>New capability with Hawkei fleet
>Increased the size and capability of airborne tankers, transports and support craft
>Upgrading radar and intelligence assets
>Upgraded space-based assets
>Increase in type and quantities of local manufacturing for munitions
>Paying America, Britain, Malaysia and Singapore to keep assets on Aussie soil
>Huge upgrades to our two main naval shipyards
>Upgrading almost every single base and airfield in the country

But I agree recruitment and leadership is a massive problem.

>>63990100
We are also working on air launched hypersonics with beyond thousand kilometre range which is hella based, what’s even more based is that our Poseidons will be able to sling five of them in one go.

>>63990100
>Look at all this new shit Australia is getting
Its not getting half that shit. That shit was supposed to arrive "Next Quarter" for the past 5 years, and any upgades we do end up getting have horrific problems that never get fixed.
Also equipment doesnt matter. How many times does some third world nation need to beat america to prove this? Having better equipment doesnt mean you auto-win.
Australia does not care about its military. Its overall defence strategy is to just do what USA asks so they come rescue us when we need it. All USA demands is that we spend a certain amount of GDP on military, so thats why you have such a long list of "upgrades", not because Australia wants to improve its military, but because Aus needs to burn money to keep agreement with its supervisor nation. We are a big parade army, no real lethality.

>>63990160
The items listed are confirmed, and in the correct numbers, except maybe for the ships.

>>63990100
The issue isn't JUST how capable the gear itself it, it's how much of it there is. Our blue water navy is basically the same size as a squadron, our armoured core is basically just a hundred tanks (10 extra M1's doesn't mean shit overall) and a couple hundred IFV's and APC's and our combat air wings don't even number a hundred. The issue never was and never will be that the shit isn't good enough, we just can't defend enough of Australia with the amount we have, we're just too big. It also doesn't help that EASILY 99% of our industry is located in 3-4 easy to find on a map cities with little to no real way of stopping any sort of naval bombardment, let alone conventional or god forbid, nuclear strikes. I know the big scary boogyman is china but as an example, even IF china's military capability was mostly paper dragon shit they would still have all free reign in the world to shore strike everywhere that matters in terms of keeping Australia afloat alongside insane amounts of shorelines where they could land troops with no real threat to counter them, at least not all at once. The issue australia faces need to be met with more weapons, not just better ones, that and, like you said, recruitment.

>>63990575
>The issue isn't JUST how capable the gear itself it, it's how much of it there is
Absolutely agreed. I've always said the ADF is like 'USA-extra lite'. We can do a lot of what the USA does, but we can't ever match the intensity or maintain it for very long at all. Sad, but that's what happens when you have a continent the size of America and 26m people instead of 347m.

>>63990061
>NT gets nuked
>absolutely nothing changes

>>63990100
But why can't we bring back the Pirentie?

>>63976320
>>63976335

Wtf happened to to you guys? I had no idea you had degraded so far that Indonesia is a threat.

>>63990652
>Wtf happened
Money grubbers, penny savers and a general growing disdain in the public eye for current military matters tends to cause issues with actual procurement and recruitment in the forces. Too many people trying to make magic happen with too little or nothing at all causes these programs to go under all the time. The other issue is Australia in general has a weird view on the military being the old ones, as in the ANZAC's are cool as hell but next to no one gives a flying fuck about the modern forces, alongside DFR's honest to god brain dead quotas, mandates and other bullshit tends to drive many prospective recruits off on deferment until they suddenly get too old or lose all interest.

>>63976279 (OP)
>germany
>c

our military is not prepared to actually fight whatsoever.

>>63976279 (OP)
Italy and Spain in the same tier is wild like wtf
Also poor Worst Korea

>>63990652
>that Indonesia is a threat
They really are not, the only guys that have to worry about Indonesia is East Timor, and even then if they did invade just wait twenty years until they get fed up with whack-a-insurgent like they did last time.

>>63990652
>Indonesia is a threat
Indoensia has never been a threat. There may be a handful of tension areas such as offshore gas field claims, East Timor, illegal fishing, animal slaughter, and migrant boats, but both Australia and Indonesia have never considered each other as a military threat in any way.
It's funny considering how vastly different the populations, religion, geography and culture is between the two. It is a bit surprising that there isn't much military cooperation or joint exercises between the two, though.

>>63986092
Based on per capita deaths annually? That's a shit metric and you know it. Aussies live like first worlders. Roads, medicine, urban centric, White mentality, or kind of. Previously. That skews the death count down.
They are rather lacking in dangerous large terrestrial mammals though.

>>63990660
>germany
>our military is not prepared to actually fight whatsoever.
while not in the best shape and underfunded for years
it's not like the German military has no capabilities and runs on old stuff

also you completely ignore the industrial base / MIC
top tier for everything land based, armored and driving, for air defense, for submarines, for small arms, for drones and a whole lot of other stuff
usually even with most of the supply chain EU domestically (aka no ITAR)

and how quick companies can scale up (e.g. Rheinmetall 50k shells per year in 2022 to 1,5million in 2027)
means it's just a question of bigger orders - everything else is already there

>>63990733
they're still surprisingly far away from eachother, there's a large expanse of water between australia and the nearest indonesian island with any significant population, the rest of indonesia is even further away, there's also multiple strong currents between them.
they're "technically" neighbours but there's not as much contact as you might think.

>>63990822
Of course. Outside of Bali and it's surrounds, and dealing with illegal fishing and migrant boats, Australians aren't really interested in Indonesia, their Muslim population or their rat-like language.

>>63976279 (OP)
>Official world

>>63991016
>Cant make tapwater drinkable
>Thinks they can win a war

>>63991016
God, I wish that was real (minus Israel).

>>63991024
Add south korea and taiwan back, asian milfs in general are based, plus their electronics industry

>>63991016
why isnt south korea and taiwan on this ?

>>63990936
australians and the dutch have two things in common.
going to bali on vacation and getting shot down on a civilian airliner

>>63991031
Original map was vote for some kind of sanctions or something, taiwan and worst korea didn't vote for it.

>>63976279 (OP)
I hate to admit it but North Korea would kick the shit out of anyone listed above them until you reach maybe israel. definitely Japan. Except maybe the Vietnamese.

Lol, weapons can be easily made, now is all about how well you can draft the soldiers, how many and how high morale is.
No european nation can do that, maybe poland/baltics if attacked by russia.

50k professional soldiers (the cap of those want to be a active solder as job) are not a army.

>>63991016
Post a video of you drinking your tap water

>>63992435
Nigger a subset of the human population globally will always want to make a career from warfare, that is eternal and always has been
Way back when if your nation/kingdom was in a time of peace you went out and joined a mercenary company to fight elsewhere for profit
Why does someone with that mindset want to rake leaves in a barracks? That is why recruitment rates are bad.
Our militaries are now a training scheme to gain skill sets for other careers, that is why retention is bad.
If you want people who want to TAB you need to dangle the B in front of them, which we haven't done for a while

>>63990822
>>63990936
The RAAF can bad touch Indo cities with long range air launched missiles but to my knowledge I don’t think the Indonesian Air Force has any long ranged air launched missiles so I guess they can’t hit Darwin.

>>63991038
We also both have an appreciation for big tiddy SEA chicks (although when I say big tiddy it seems only the Indonesians have big tits, why’s that?)

>>63991016
bait or third worlder

>>63976279 (OP)

>S: USA
>A: France|China|Germany
>B: Sweden|SKorea|Japan
>B-: Italy|Israel|Poland|Spain
>C: Switzerland|Czech|Greece
>C-: Ukraine|Russia|UK|Canada|Australia|Turkey
>D: NKorea|Brazil|India|Egypt|Taiwan
>E: Iran
>F: Mexico|Vietnam

IDK XD

>>63976907
>Poland criteria for buying is bribes
Fair enough, that's why they've got a bunch of Huawei shit in their infrastructure too. Also because they've still got that poofag Eastern Eurofag mentality of settling for anything that's a slight upgrade from literal trash despite the fact that Poland has been recovering fast from being a Soviet satellite state compared to say Romania or Hungary that are still way behind.
>and fast delivery, not quality
Having a decent weapons system delivered in a month rather than waiting years for whatever Pol's are ordering from Germany such as Leopards which is typically on back order for YEARS not to mention Poland isn't their only client has it's perks though. If you told me a war might be coming to my backyard soon I'd take what I could get now and then worry about more premium stuff after my basic needs are met.

If the Peoples Republic of Samsung can handle the logistics and is even willing to build the factories so you don't have to rely solely on an Asian supply chain then that just makes it better.

>>63994056
>is even willing to build the factories
it's not only a factory
they're making a completely localized version, the K2PL
only the first 180 are assembled in and delivered form worst Korea

something others, like Rheinmetall, weren't willing to do (to the same extend)

also the K2 is a very capable tank
for a fraction of the price of a Leopard 2A7

>>63976279 (OP)
>Z
I had the strangest feeling I'd see Frieza Corp there as a joke for some reason.

>>63976279 (OP)
israel absolutely is not that high up there. All they do is fight browns and act like the worlds biggest victim

>>63995227
Technically they are strong. They have nukes and their strategy to get the US and UK help is always the same. Enter a war that would drag on for far too long hurting various economies and then saying to the US that if they don't help and are getting cornered they will use the nuke. Works every time because every nuclear capable country beside Israel has all the interests to not have a "world first" use of a nuke in a non strategic setting after ww2