Thread 63980801

Do you ever feel like we're just spending our days arguing about the same shit that our great-grandparents argued over, with caliber wars and pistol comparisons? The standard of a 6 inch long, 4 inch tall slim carry pistol that weighs under 25 ounces loaded has existed for over a century. We have more powerful cartridges in the same size guns now, and of course higher ammo capacities, but I still think that any skilled shooter could load up a 1910s handgun with ball ammo and achieve the exact same results in a modern defensive shooting as with a modern handgun.

I'm not trading in my LCR or Shield for a Lemon Squeezer or an FN1910, but I can’t help but feel like we’ve fallen for multiple generations-worth of marketing.

i dunno man we went from glock 19 being considered the best ccw 3 decades ago to omg a glock 26 is too fucking big i need a shield or 365. its impossible to conceal a gun as large as a 26.
then theres the extra shit added on to holsters which somehow makes them better to carry?

>>63980801 (OP)
Anything that isn't a gen 3 Glock 19 is unusable trash, TRVTH NVKE

>>63980801 (OP)
The guns on the right are more useable, but the principal is the same. I definitely think the 32 UC J frame is peak snubbie.

>>63980910
>Not a 26 with a backup stendo
Git gud

>>63980932
I should have used the .32 S&W example of the Safety Hammerless to show that we really did just go in a circle.

>>63980801 (OP)
My great grandfather wouldnt care about my carry gun he'd be horrified that i married an oriental

>>63981203
My great granddad probably would've had a heart attack if he heard me try to speak Italian or saw how long my hair is

>>63980801 (OP)
Injection molded plastic is really neat.

>>63980801 (OP)
Sometimes I wonder how old the caliber arguments really go. Were they arguing 9 vs 45 in 1916? What about 36 vs 44 caliber ball in the 1860s? Did light arquebus users have some copium to explain how their guns were somehow better than a heavy arquebus? Were there poorfags seething at breechloaders and coping with "one shot is all you need"?

>>63980801 (OP)
Bodyguard 2.0 is better than 7 of those 8 handguns

>>63981518
Not sure about 9mm vs .45ACP, but a lot of Civil War memoirs talk about preference for a certain type of pistol or cartridge. The .36 revolvers were well liked by soldiers on both sides as they were accurate and reliable. According to some accounts, the conical bullet loads were less effective than the round balls, as the bullet tended to zip through. I remember one writing that a soft lead .36 ball would "settle a man right down". I can't remember which account this was in, I've read too many over the years.

>>63983709
Meant to say the conical bullets of the .44 were thought to be less effective than a round .36 ball.

>>63983709
conicals in general were also less accurate. they penetrated better but they also retained their shape more and has less effect on the target as well.

>>63980801 (OP)
people always told me anything smaller than .38 was shit and will get you killed, now suddenly people like .380 and .32, what the heck happened?

114 years later and I’m carrying a 1911 in .45 ACP

>>63983858
Gay people

>>63983858
the natural progression of terminal contrarians who constantly need to feel superior in superficial ways.

anons will either choose a low power round or a high recoil round to signal their 'skill' with, or even better: signal their lack of 'tryharditude'

>>63983874
Jesus dude, lose some weight.

>>63983914
let he without paunch cast the first stone

>>63980801 (OP)
The wonder nines (aka the double stack magazine first used in the hi-power) were about the last jump in actual capability.

>>63982409
nah, it looks souless and has no aesthetic or artistic input whatsoever. Just like any other gun, just whatever

>>63984051
who cares, it's better

>>63980910
Can someone ban this guy he’s a restarted faggot who doesn’t have a life. Like I’ve seen this guy post in EVERY SINGLE thread where a gun other than a gen 3 Glock or a 11.5” psa ar is mentioned.

>>63980801 (OP)
I think there’s definitely a lot of marketing involved, that being said you want every possible advantage in self defense. Having 11+1 rounds of +p hollow point zombie killer is more likely to take out your target than 6+1 ball nose rounds.

>>63984324
people care, our souls care. If we didn't care we wouldn't exist. You're a soulless husk of a human and the reason art is dead.

>>63984324
Gay opinion, I expect every /k/ autist I share kinship with to be able to on the spot rattle off why they think their raifu looks pretty.

>>63981518
I would bet that "caliber arguments" predate the existence of guns. At some point thousands of years ago, people probably debated the best size and weight of stones for their slings, the best wood for a spear handle, or other tiny details of their weapons, with "my personal preference is best" being the main theme the whole time.

>>63985214
ywn get into a yelling match with your best friend Aquilinus about how your trusty sling is still relevant for battle because they were battle tested in
> TWO PUNIC WARS

>>63984798
>>63985044
okay faggots; the bodyguard 2.0 has superior machining. Perfect, some may say. The slide serrations and Armornite finish is not only a work of art, but it is functionally better than any of your stupid ancient pocket pistols. Suck my couch.

>>63985757
I don't even care about pocket pistols gayboy, I just wanted to drag some metric of taste out of your troubled soul. Looks like you had some opinions after all!

>>63985214
>bronze is justasgood as iron
>I'll just meet him with my spear formation while he's alone because he blew his coffers on some iron meme sword instead of training soldiers
I could've sworn there was a real memoir from a 14th or 15th century knight calling guns a passing fad and the future lying in skilled swordsmanship

>>63982409
Only 3 of those guns are .380 caliber and all of them are ancient compared to the Bodyguard 2.0.

>>63983881
those are called women, bro

>>63984051
It looks better than most popular 9mm subcompacts. Faint praise, I know.

>>63985757
>The slide serrations and Armornite finish is not only a work of art, but it is functionally better than any of your stupid ancient pocket pistols.
I'm an owner of and normally a huge shill for Bodyguard 2.0 but you have to have absolutely abhorrent taste to think that plastic strikershit looks better than bluing or nickel plating.

>>63986697
>bluing or nickel plating
that only looks good on old guns. I would never want fucking nickel plating on a pocket pistol. Give me something durable.

I think for carry pistols, not so much. It just comes down to reliability and *adequate* capacity. (Adequate ≠ infinity). Your chances of emerging victorious in a self defense shooting are virtually constant so long as your gun can go bang like 5 or 6 times in a row. This is for the typical shooting btw, not counting the possibility of needing to fend off roving bands of feral niggers wielding glizzies and stendos with your subcompact pistol. Or finding yourself in the middle of an election-season riot.

Aside from that, the only real improvements (I suspect, I can’t carry cause califag) are weight and slimness, so an increase in carrying comfort. Can anons confirm?

>>63983874
God dman you fat hairy pig

>>63986190
Women are gay

>>63986817
It’s true. They like dicks.

>>63983858
.32 is actually pretty damned effective. The caveat being that heavy clothing can keep .32 S&W and .32 ShW Long from penetrating adequately..32acp, .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum don't seem to have much of a problem. There's accounts on the early 20th Century of various .32 caliber revolvers being the standard police issue side arm. T

>>63980801 (OP)
The thing about carry guns (actually any guns) is that everything is a tradeoff.
>powerful round, good capacity and decently shootable?
Big and heavy
>powerful round but still small and compact?
Low capacity and sucks to shoot
>small and light, high capacity, easy to shoot?
Very small caliber

And because these tradeoffs exist there is a constant debate between those that value the soft factors like ease of carry and shootability, and those that feel insecure about the power or capacity of smaller and more convenient-to-carry guns.

The reason not much has changed in 100 years is because cartrige technology and humans haven't changed. IMO the best carry gun for most civilians is a DAO snubby in .22 or .32, preferably with some kind of really compact red dot

>>63986007
>bronze is justasgood as iron
Ironically it was probably the opposite, the iron poorfags were coping that it was justasgood as bronze, which eventually, it was, but early iron with very low carbon content was not much tougher or harder than bronze, the main advantage was that it didn't rely on importing tin all the way from Cornwall

>>63983874
>no holster
>hammer cocked
>probably one in the chamber, too
>enough fat to activate the fckn grip safety if you lean over
Are you waiting for a spontaneous unilateral orchiectomy?

>>63983858
People have finally started to accept that most handgun rounds suck, and that 10mm DeathReaper depleted uranium hollowpoints can be absolutely useless if you don't shoot anything vital, or just straight up miss, while a headshot with a .22 can drop a horse.

I think younger people getting into guns has helped, the mentality of carrying some powerful magnum round in the hope of dropping an attacker with one shot is the cope of a fat boomer who knows he doesn't have the finesse and dexterity to move quickly and shoot accurately, because a lot of the discussion on guns and calibers misses the fact that you still need to be fast and slick with the gun and be able to make quick and accurate shots, and most of that is a function of training and physical ability.

Also the continuously deteriorating living standards due to rampant inflation mean that most people stick with cheap calibers they can shoot a lot of, like 9mm, .22 and 5.56, which biases them towards the idea of more training, better shot placement and high capacity.

>>63986809
>He thinks *that’s* hairy.

lol, lmao. You should see me.

>>63987363
I'm curious why the US had an infatuation with large, powerful handguns for most of the 20th century while Europe largely accepted .32s, .380s, and 9mms. For duty pistols, 1911s and .357 Magnum revolvers were the top of the pack until the 80s, and we also had .44 special, .45 Colt, and .44 Magnum in some holsters. I wonder if it was really just old timey fudd lore with "You know what happened to the soldiers in the Philippines who just had .38s, don't you sonny?" combined with American law enforcement being heavily influenced by the whole gangster era.

>>63990359
americans had a decent chance of shooting something not human that needed to die right this moment

>>63983874
gut cassidy over here

>development
?

The only "development" I can really qualify is the red dot sight and retention holsters

We have been carrying spicy rocks for the same reason as a nigga from 1910 did

>>63990359
I have always believed that fighting indians have instilled in Americana a way of gunfighting where the idea is to quickly turn the other person into meat pulp and bone splinters with great prejudice, the idea is to send your enemy off to their false God in a bucket to spit on everything he ever lived for

>>63990359
Because one was made for conflicts between gentlemen you will cooperate and coexist with when the war is over and the other was made to delete unrepentant savages.

>>63980801 (OP)
the real problem is that we keep making tiny mouse guns with high capacities but they shoot either .80 or 9mm making them too snappy for the average person to want to bother shooting with regularly.

we need the .32 to come back but this time not semi rimmed

>>63993218
No we need less wildcat crap
Just get a down load 9mm round or steel frame gun

>>63980801 (OP)
striker-fired pistols with double-stacked magazines have been around for 100 years

in fact, it came in 2nd place to the 1911 and would have been the main pistol of the US military

>>63986958
>.327 Federal Magnum
>100 grain, 1400 fps MV, and 370 ft. lbs. ME
What in the fuck is this based little shit? Give me the run down. That's some serious power for a .32