Thread 63984655

Why do people put the older glocks on such a pedestal?

>>63984655 (OP)
they sexy

>>63984655 (OP)
It's not a P320.

>>63984655 (OP)
Because old thing good new thing bad even though new thing is virtually identical to old thing or just better. Same with AK purists acting like unless it was made in Izmash on a Wednesday on line 5 then it's not a real AK and is shit because of that. Or retro games fags getting all pissy that I don't spend 2 grand just to play Bubsy 3D and emulated it instead

>>63984655 (OP)
3rd Gen
Best Gen

>>63984655 (OP)
How is this better than a gen 5

>>63984655 (OP)
Nobody puts them on a pedestal. Nobody. They are simply old, innovative, and now quite rare so they command more money.

A gen 1 is in no way better than a gen 3, 4 or 5. In many ways they're quite a bit worse.

>>63984691
Because it's what Gaston would've wanted. Same with a bone stock slickside A1 using 55gr being the greatest AR because it's closest to what Stoner wanted

Glocks are boring in the best way possible... they all fucking work.
So enthusiasts have to find autistic reasons for why old is better or more special

Lack of finger grooves and California compliance grandfathering

>>63984655 (OP)
>Stock photo
They're well made guns that look cool

>>63984655 (OP)
They have this neat minimalist look, which many of the later gens get away from with the addition of somewhat dubious fingersteps which not everybody likes.
I like the Glock 17M the most though, it's got the cleaner looking and nicer feeling grip shape, but with the little grippy nubby texturing on it.

>>63984681
Are you being passive aggressive about people making fun of your Unexploded Ordnance Trash-47? Also, I would NEVER recommend anyone play a Bubsy game, because you should play Wild Guns instead (your choice if you wanna emulate).

Starting with gen 5 glock intentionally made auto sears more difficult to install. Fuck em.

>>63984655 (OP)
Because they just work

>>63984655 (OP)
I put mine in a box in my safe.

>>63984700
i don't care what gaston or stoner would have wanted.

>>63984909
No, I'm not retarded so I don't own an AK (anymore)

>>63985252
How?
t. hadn't heard that

>>63984689
Fuck off Californian. Literally the only reason people still have to pretend that generation is still relevant.

>>63985421
NTA but in all honesty, I can't tell any major difference between gen 3/4/5 aside from some funny finger grooves that people care way too much about.

>>63985509
Then you're an idiot, the gen 5 has exceptional accuracy because of the new rifling and a better trigger than gen 4/5.

Gen 4 best glonk. Honorable mention to gen 3 but the fullsize grip too thicc. Both can take a switch though so he'll yeah brother

>fake thread begging to turn into a flame war
>completely manufactured, baseless opinion

Because I like to imagine my gen 2 was carried by an FBI agent or some shit

>>63984655 (OP)
Rarity or scarcity, if they can't go down to the lgs and grab one whenever they want then neither can you therefore rare therefore "good"? That this requires an explanation is a good sign that you are retarded.

>>63984689
The only good thing about the 3rd Gen is that now everyone else can use it to make a better glock

>>63985644
That's the true joy of buying surp, newguns don't understand the joy of milsurp or fedsurp you can just blast away without a care in the world

>>63984655 (OP)
Because they’re salty California faggots that can’t buy improved models

>>63984689
fuck off nigger
>>63985421
>>63985509
>>63985773
people (ie niggers) are on the gen3 bullshit because its the last gen that can take a switch, or a blicky with a switchy in nigger speak

>>63984655 (OP)
IIRC the old tenifer finish Glonk was using got discontinued to comply with one gay environmental EU legislation or another, and the "environmentally friendly nitrication" process that replaced it wasn't quite as durable.

>>63984655 (OP)
Old Glocks are nicer. For me it's Gen3. I love the finger grooves, made in Austria, and better finish vs the new guns. Yes I know the G4 has the better recoil spring setup and the G5 has a better trigger, but I put an aftermarket trigger in my G3s anyway.

>>63986342
>he doesn't like the model that can he easily converted into full fun
ATF agent detected, or at least I hope you're an ATF agent because otherwise that's really pathetic

>>63984655 (OP)
They didn't, people here just don't remember the glocksplosion memes.

>>63987090
>It never happened
>Except for these models
>Well actually all models, but just reloads
>Ok, not only reloads
>It was fixed in Gen 4
>What do you mean it wasn't?
Here, I saved us the trouble

>>63987137
I only recall it being an issue on high round count 40s and 10mms as a whole. To this day I don't trust 10mm glocks for pissing hot loads, no matter the gen.

>>63986888
I have a feeling it was more because of how slick the dang slides were. Gen 1 and 2 were parkerized, gen 3 and early 4 was tenifer, mid-late gen 4 was melonite/nitride, but they also still make gen 3s in this for CA and ban states. Gen 5 is some proprietary "diamond like finish" and there's some new finish on the slimline handguns too.

I just think glock's attitude is laughable, they'll change a finish mid cycle to something worse and not say a word about it

>>63984655 (OP)
Glocks with flat slides and no serrations on the front are classic like Berettas and Sigs without rails

Talk me out of buying a glock 40.

>>63987348
I think they're getting discontinued, so you should probably get one while they're easy to come by.

>>63987368
Is that cause they’re making a gen5 or because they aren’t making any more g40’s?

>>63987336
why do optic cut filler plates always have a different finish my P10c is like this too

>>63987469
They're made separately and put together somewhere along the line. Could be different steel, could be a treatment bath at a slightly different temp, who really knows, manufactures don't tell us.

>>63987454
IIRC it's one of the models that got the axe.

>>63987454
Glock is dropping like 90% of the catalog to so they can focus on their most popular models (19, 45, and 47) and contracts.

https://us.glock.com/en/discontinued-models

>>63987311
40 and 10 are still the biggest culprits but 9+p or (amusingly) NATO spec can have it happen too. I think it was 2 months ago some Frenchfags uploaded their g17 blowing up on them with standard euro ball ammo, so that shit still ain't fixed

>>63987311
Buffalo Bore and Underwood both tell you to use a 416 SS barrel with their ammo, something like a Storm Lake drop in SS barrel, and stiffer springs with a steel op rod are a good idea as well.
Back in the early aughts, a few daring individuals blew their glocks up with a couple of Uncle SwampFox's pissin hot kabooms and people went to Glock and Glock was like this isn't factory ammo, this is some crazy hillbilly's death wish, and denied the warranties(presumably)

>>63988147
Every single manufacturer tells you what not to use in their guns, and Glock says +P is fine, but if you use +P+ you're on your own.

>>63988175
Yeah, it's regular +P that I mean here.

>>63984689
niggas would say this and then cry wolf when RXM or any Gen 3 knock off gets brought up

>>63987137
The only Glocks with an unusual amount of KBs were the earlier .40 S&W ones which is why they kept increasing chamber support on them. You can find instances of just about any gun KBing from squibs or typical bubba pissing hot reloads/misloads style shenanigans
>>63988147
9mm Glocks don't have any sort of KB issue, probably bad ammo, need proofs that it isnt

>>63988274
Proofs they were factory ammo or proof the round was or wasn't up to snuff?

>>63984655 (OP)
They don't, it's just a re-issue for collectors.
>>63984691
It isn't.
>>63987572
>G27 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
>G22 – Gen3 | Gen4 | Gen5
>G22 MOS – Gen5
I hope that the Gen6 modular grip/frame approach provides Glock the flexibility to serve the .40 buyers. The Gen5 23 being the only .40 survivor is insane.

>>63987137
>Glock makes a 10mm pistol
>S&W makes deliberately light loaded version of 10mm which is slightly shorter
>Glock also makes a pistol in .40
>ridiculous retards with bags of sand instead of brains decide that buying a Glock in 10mm isn't the right course of action
>rather they should buy Glocks in .40 and handload them up like 10mm
>ergo, ammo you could not find on any shelf anywhere, because it completely defeats the point of .40 as a cartridge and 10mm already exists
>kaboom
>Glock increases chamber support on .40 pistols to save retards from themselves
>somehow Glock is at fault for people too stupid to just buy 10mm pistols

>>63988245
Bad batches are a thing too. Ammo QC isn't universal, and that's why gun manufacturers don't warranty hand loads. There are plenty of shit-tier 9mm ammo manufacturers, hell I had the primer fly out the pocket of a tulammo case when I had to mortar a glock open and I had it happen a second time from the same box. Round didn't fire, but the primer rocketed out and hit me in the face.

>>63988330
>>Glock increases chamber support on .40 pistols to save retards from themselves
It's still not fully supported, and there's no reason for it not to be. Virtually every aftermarket .40 glock barrel has full chamber support. They should just do it because supporting the cartridge is the chamber's fucking job.
>>rather they should buy Glocks in .40 and handload them up like 10mm
40+p is absolutely fine and factory +p loadings are becoming more common.

>>63984663
Glocks are some of the ugliest handguns in existence.

>>63988424
>It's still not fully supported
Because it fucking doesn't need to be.

>>63988424
.40 +p isnt even a legit thing, its just underwood and buffalo bore not watering down .40 loads, aka where the ammo should be, close to saami specs

>>63988457
I mean... I'd argue damn near every plastic fantastic 9mm is pretty ugly. For that reason the glock stands out in design simplicity. Rack slide, trigger make gun go boom.

Honestly I'm surprised safety-less guns are even allowed. I know it technically has a safety, but any kid would easily figure it out in about 3 seconds.

>>63985307
HERETIC!

>>63984655 (OP)
Because they were basically perfection right out of the gate 40 years ago. The system has had no significant modifications until Gen 5, which is really just mild geometry changes to a few parts. The polymer developed all the way back in 1982 proved itself to be robust and stand the test of time.

Basically the same reason people love M16A1s (or 601s if you want to go there). As more people get their hands on a system, the more arbitrary changes are made, when in fact the original gun would still perform perfectly fine without them. The Gen 1/2 and even the Gen 3 (best gen) represent gaston's original vision, which is based

>>63985333
>owning an AK is bad
As a collector I am completely unable to understand this. Hell, I have like a dozen 32acp pistols.

>>63987311
>>63988274
>>63988330
>don’t fully support case
>case ruptures
>glock perfection

Must of be a nice guy, nobody told you to have him fuck you good for over ten years, suck his dick so good suck his soul out and have his kids. What lead up to it. What you ever do? Lol nothing huh

>>63988584
>brass expands against the chamber, making a good seal
>but brass is also heckin strong and won’t deform out here closer to the rim because I don’t want it to
It’s like 35,000 psi, bro. The fact that they had crappy chamber support at all is retarded.

>>63988315
The latter would be required, or a meaningful trend of it being an issue. Plenty of factory ammo causing KBs for this reason or another.
>>63988817
Not sure what you mean, I pretty clearly think that the .40 chamber support wasn't sufficient on early models. People believing in Glock perfection are retards, they've had at least mild issues with pretty much everything in their catalogue at some point.
>.40 WML syndrome, KB issues
>.357 guns were never up to snuff reliability wise and shot themselves to death quickly in LE use
>10mm models aren't reliable with many true 10mm loads
>9mm gen 4 issues
>Etc

>>63988584
>Because it fucking doesn't need to be.
I don't give a shit what Glock says. Glock said with their first G22 that the chamber support was sufficient, it wasn't, which is why they changed it, basically admitting they were wrong. They're still wrong to a smaller degree, when they fully support the case they'll cease being wrong.

The problem isn't high-pressure ammo, it's that Glock under-built their 40's for decades.

>>63988424
Neither SAAMI nor CIP recognizes +P .40 S&W as a thing, pretty much for this exact reason. Anything else is handloading or Buffalo Bore, who typically will tell you very exactly which guns they have tested and which are good for the shit they do, along with some which will not take it at all.

>>63988603
SAAMI spec .40 will not wreck a Gen 2 Glock.

>>63988817
>load for .45 Super with .45 Auto brass and without an extra supported chamber
Your own fault.

>>63988846
Yet people who weren't trying to turn .40 back into 10mm had no problems at all.

>>63988948
>Glock said with their first G22 that the chamber support was sufficient
Did they explicitly make that statement?

>>63988744
It has multiple safeties, just not a manual one.

>>63988991
By manufacturing the fucking gun they're implicitly making that statement.

>>63988979
>Neither SAAMI nor CIP recognizes +P .40 S&W as a thing
1. Don't care, gunmakers shouldn't be building shit to minimum specs. Cases should only blow out their webs if the pressure causes premature unlocking, not while still fully-chambered.
2. Don't bother leaning on CIP/SAAMI authority because ONLY GLOCK FACTORY BARRELS have ever had this problem. It's not an industry-wide thing, it occurred to no other gunmakers to do this.

>>63984667
correct, its worse

>>63989256
Are you the Glockschizo?

>>63988979
>Neither SAAMI nor CIP recognizes +P .40 S&W as a thing, pretty much for this exact reason
Nope, they don't recognize 40+P because someone hasn't paid them a bunch of money to run the tests necessary to define the standard. Has nothing to do with whether the brass can take it. The brass can take it...in anything but a glock oem barrel.

>>63989275
No I still have both my hands because I don't shoot Glocks

>>63989256
t. Ron Cohen