Thread 63985105 - /k/ [Archived: 242 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:21:07 AM No.63985105
t14
t14
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>YES GUYS IT'S TOTALLY REAL
>i-it's just that they're like... too good to use in war y'know?
>it would simply make the war too easy, and it costs money to make tanks you know, it's simply better to spend that money on something less money effective
it's not real, is it?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:25:13 AM No.63985130
>>63985105 (OP)
1. there's no production line, so it's irrelevant
2. it's too specialized for AT combat, even more irrelevant
3. still vaporware because the chassis mechanically is a PITA to operate and the original target was far more ambitious than using the electronics of a T-90M with a different chassis (no, adding come cameras isn't a big change, the original plan was really ambitious).
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:26:13 AM No.63985135
>>63985105 (OP)
I genuinely do not understand how Russia can build less of these than Su-57s, a plane with an already glacially slow production rate and is like 10x more expensive at a minimum.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:26:45 AM No.63985137
>>63985130
>it's too specialized
why create something that doesn't fit your doctrine?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:27:46 AM No.63985141
>>63985135
Presumably the SU-57 works. These things were all preproduction models they never worked the kinks out of.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:53:49 AM No.63985227
>>63985105 (OP)
They outright stated they canceled the project earlier this year
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:54:45 AM No.63985233
>>63985137
It fits their doctrine, and that's the problem, compared to a T-90 the T-14 would fare better against a M1/L2/C2.
They should stop using the last 2 years of WWII as a reference.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:03:29 AM No.63985263
>>63985105 (OP)
not worth the risk of one getting captured i guess.
also, the armata was designed for "yesterday's war". it's not optimized for surviving swarms of fpv drones, even if some features (like having the crew be in a single armored capsule, allowing for better fire suppression) would be helpful
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:04:17 AM No.63985266
>>63985105 (OP)
They're just holding back like Goku.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:05:44 AM No.63985270
Polish_20250714_180258997
Polish_20250714_180258997
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:08:34 AM No.63985280
>>63985135
Still like 90% sure we've never seen more than 5 Su-57s in one place, and they censor the tail numbers so we can't track individual airframes.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:11:54 AM No.63985290
>>63985105 (OP)
It will be real once they sell the license to produce them to India, like with the Su-57.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:14:05 AM No.63985299
>>63985290
Don't they already have Arjun?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:18:32 AM No.63985312
>>63985299
Russia is in the process of buying Arjuns from India.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:19:05 AM No.63985314
>>63985299
Not really
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:47:56 AM No.63985380
>>63985299
They don't like to talk about that thing.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:56:32 AM No.63985412
I know it's been talked about a billion times
But I just don't see a place for tanks in the modern battlefield
They get fucked on by basically everything now
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:58:35 AM No.63985424
>>63985105 (OP)
I still don't believe these are actual real functional tanks, they're more like concept cars or parade floats
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:04:15 AM No.63985439
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>>63985105 (OP)
Whoh, nice parade float Ivan.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:14:27 AM No.63985474
>>63985424
>concept cars or parade floats

Worse than that to be honest, parade floats are supposed to break down during the parade.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:16:56 AM No.63985487
>>63985424
>concept cars or parade floats

Worse than that to be honest, parade floats aren't supposed to break down during the parade.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:20:16 AM No.63986599
I can still hear it screaming
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:27:16 AM No.63986608
>>63985135
The T14 fundamentally relies on a bunch of electronics from Thales. The Russians probably could churn out T14s, but it would be pointless because they'd be half-empty shells lacking FCS and optics and therefore functionally no advantage over T90s, so with sanctions the project has been dead in the water for 11 years.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:02:41 AM No.63986648
>>63985135
The production of T-14's was horribly corrupt, but it also seems it was a pilot program. So it was never meant to make more than a few prototypes. Not like the US doesn't have its own list of military hardware duds, but Russia does it in a much more comical way.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:15:37 AM No.63986662
>>63985105 (OP)
Thing gets me so erect looking at it....only if it was as good in bed as it looks like it would be
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:21:34 AM No.63986670
>>63986648
>Not like the US doesn't have its own list of military hardware duds, but Russia does it in a much more comical way.
It doesn't get much more comical than the Sgt. York air defense vehicle locking on to a stand full of top brass and politicians during it's demonstration run.
The real difference is Americans don't take a pilot program and spam
>HAHAHAHAHA YES THIS NEW WUNDERWAFFE WILL BRING THE GLOBAL SOUTH TO IT'S KNEES! NO EQUAL! NO CONTEMPORARY! 6 WHEELS!
a million times a day. Mostly because a lot of their shit is -already- the best in the world.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:27:19 AM No.63986678
>>63986648
>it was a pilot program. So it was never meant to make more than a few prototypes.
They obviously intended to arrive at some sort of mass-production tank after the conclusion of the pilot program.
Now any hopes they had of replacing their aging T-64 and T-72 derivatives have been completely dashed by the T-14 being a hopeless pile of shit and a massive waste of time, money, and resources.

The T-14 was supposed to have real advantages over their older tanks. Primarily a modern unmanned turret with a Leclerc-style autoloader, a modern engine, and a shitload of advanced electronics.
The T-14 ended up having none of these things.

A safe and reliable autoloader was deemed to expensive, so after spending years and countless millions trying to develop one, they just stuck a regular turret-toss carousel from a T-80 into it. This turned out to be a terrible idea, in combination with the unmanned turret. The T-80 autoloader isn't particularly reliable and regularly needs crewmen to unfuck it when it jams, they can't do that if there aren't any men in the turret and it's semi-impossible to access the mechanism, requiring partial disassembly of the turret at a repair depot.

The engine turned out to be a massive failure too. It's an old unreliable POS that they tried to turbo-boost up meet modern power requirements. That only made it more unreliable.
To add insult to injury, it's the only engine they have with an adequate power output remotely compact enough to fit into the T-14 chassis.

And the advanced electronics and sensors? Killed by sanctions. Simply copying advanced western tech, China-style, is beyond russia's current technical and industrial capacity, at least if they're intending to mass produce such systems domestically. It's not looking likely that their technical abilities will improve greatly in the forseeable future either, now that they're being technologically surpassed by countries like Turkey, Iran, and India.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:42:17 AM No.63986695
>>63986678
>Now any hopes they had of replacing their aging T-64 and T-72 derivatives have been completely dashed by the T-14 being a hopeless pile of shit and a massive waste of time, money, and resources.
Maybe they can buy ZTZ-99A. It's still a derivative but vastly superior to anything else they have.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 10:47:58 AM No.63986701
>>63985135
Fewer.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:09:56 AM No.63986742
>>63985105 (OP)
It's most certainly real. There's just no reason to send a couple dozen pre-production models of your most advanced tank to the fray where it will become drone and arty fodder in a week. The PR blow is unacceptable for the limited increase in capability. A T-72B3 can do 80 to 90% of what an Armata can do without much political fallout when it ends up destroyed.

The G11 was never used in combat, that doesn't mean its capabilities weren't real.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:11:39 AM No.63986747
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>>63985105 (OP)
After 2014 /k/ and every boomer forum ever was full of slavaboos hyping this piece of shit up endlessly and calling you delusional when you pointed out how modern Russia is unlikely to tackle a project of this scale successfully, let alone (correctly) predicted it to be vaporware.
It was modded into seven gorillion games, invariably given extremely optimistic stats and slavaboos proceeded to steamroll NATO in 96,742,256,746 hypothetic WWIII scenarios.
The absolutely most insufferable people you know were obsessed by it.
Nothing would bring me more joy than for someone to create a time machine, drag these faggots ten years into the future and show them just how much of a total NOTHINGBURGER their wunderwaffe turned out to be.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:49:40 AM No.63986811
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>>63985105 (OP)
You could say the same about the US NGAD, the F-47
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:13:05 PM No.63986844
>>63985105 (OP)
As far as I know, the Armata project has not been OFFICIALLY closed and is currently undergoing testing...

When it is cancelled, then these threads will make some sense.

No, if you want to prove to yourself and everyone else that everything Russian is garbage, then why the hell did you go to /k/, where everyone already holds this opinion?
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:16:35 PM No.63986849
>WHY IS THE TANK SCREAMING?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:18:23 PM No.63986851
>>63985105 (OP)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:31:44 PM No.63986869
>>63986849
If you were a T-14, you'd be screaming too.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:46:45 PM No.63986906
>>63985105 (OP)
they're obviously keeping them for when the real war begins
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:50:32 PM No.63986909
>>63985135
>Reports and analysts indicate that Russia plans to produce 1500 tanks and 3000 armored vehicles in 2025

This is according to German sources.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:51:56 PM No.63986910
>>63986909
>Plans
Yeah, they'd planned to have hundreds of T-14s in service at this point too...
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:52:00 PM No.63986911
>>63986869
Now I know why I abandoned the number of users per page. It's just you fuming about Russia and China and Iran and Korea and Vietnam and Iraq and Houthis and and and forever and ever. Pathetic.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:53:02 PM No.63986915
>>63986910
Germans calculated it. Blame their intelligence agencies.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:56:46 PM No.63986928
>>63985105 (OP)
Afaik it's both larger and heavier than their scrap from the SU times so no reapair facilty and no bridge (planned for 40-something T) can accommodate them. There must be a potato picture of them in some boneyard under the wast blue sky because likely money for the permanent hangars must never have been issued and for temporary- embezzled.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 12:58:35 PM No.63986931
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>>63986928
>reapair
>wast
>must never have been issued and for temporary- embezzled.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:02:12 PM No.63986942
>>63986931
Don't you dare call me ESL. English is my third language
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:03:22 PM No.63986944
>>63986942
After Ukrainian and then Russian. (They're the same language)
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:05:35 PM No.63986949
>>63986944
Latvian and russian
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:07:13 PM No.63986951
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>>63986949
Lmao
LMFAO
ROFLMAO
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:07:26 PM No.63986952
>>63986944
>(They're the same language)
Nope
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:15:03 PM No.63986970
>>63986951
Its not like they made him learn ching-chong and have him work in steel imports
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:19:38 PM No.63986977
>>63985105 (OP)
It's obviously real. The issue is just that there's a VERY small number of them and they're not going to send them to Ukraine because the last thing they want is a chance for an Abrams, Challenger 2, Leopard 2, or a Bradley, to knock one out in any capacity. Even against local stuff like a T-80 a single loss would be rotten eggs on Putin's face which simply cannot be allowed if his generals don't want to go out a window. Same reason Su-57s aren't really making an appearance. The Terminator BMPs performing poorly was already bad optics in a country where appearance often is more important than results. Imagine the shitstorm that would come if the Ukrainians captured a totally undefeatable and amazing T-14 simply because it broke down and was abandoned.

If things like T-14s and Su-57s start showing up it means shit has truly hit the fan for Russia. I wouldn't expect them unless Ukraine had reversed the game and was now invading Russia on a large scale. They might as well be the same as the Maus, effectively weapons of last resort. Give them 10-20 years without another war eating all their resources and we might see them produced in earnest, but with notably reduced capabilities from what is advertised simply due to being the latest Norkland. Right now they would legitimately be better off trying to get more T-72s cranked out than some newfangled wunderwaffe that might as well only be a handful of problem riddled tech demonstrators.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:43:37 PM No.63987877
>>63985105 (OP)
Here's the thing. Even if they had HUNDREDS of them they would never actually send them to the frontlines because leadership would never allow a single one to be shown destroyed. They would sit far from the front to ensure the invincibility they projected on these things would remain.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:51:05 PM No.63987903
>>63986678
>. Primarily a modern unmanned turret with a Leclerc-style autoloader,
The T-14 has a below the turret carousel similar to the MZ (T-80)
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 6:59:41 PM No.63987931
>>63986670
Akshually,the York just detected an outhouse fan.The whole thing was heavily overblown by the media,especially the reformers.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:11:48 PM No.63987975
>>63986811
>Claims Americans can't procure and then posts an su27 with a body kit
Do chinsects really?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:14:12 PM No.63987987
>>63987975
>everything is a bodykit
Daily reminder the average american doesn't have a theory of mind and it's the stereotypical retard with main character syndrome.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 7:24:58 PM No.63988018
>>63986915
It says right there that its a russian plan you twit
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:15:30 PM No.63988443
>>63985105 (OP)
As a reminder they started out saying they were going to make thousands of these and are now saying that after the war they are going to make the main core of their armored forces 800 T-62Ms assuming that between them and the Norks they can scrounge up 800 T-62 hulls.

Ironically this would result in them having the most powerful tank main gun in Russian history assuming the Norks condescend to showing them how to fit 125mms without autoloaders into the turret.

>2025: Russia plans to upgrade it's tank forces 'in a few years' with what amounts to a Chonma-ho variant declared obsolete by North Korea
>They will not be able to afford it

You are here.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:18:35 PM No.63988464
>>63987987
Very implessive big words tiny emperor
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 9:30:55 PM No.63988529
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>>63986608
>dead in the water for 11 years
>wait a minute, that can't be right
>first unveiled at May 9th parade in 2015
Oh God...
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:17:17 PM No.63988947
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>>63985105 (OP)
>>63988529
>>63986931
>>63985270

It gets even better...
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:45:10 PM No.63989038
>>63985135
It's a bad topic to try and cover on 4chang due to character limits within posts and a ton of context needed to be specified to make it fully understandable, but here are the highlights:

1. The soviet MIC worked in many ways due to processes being tweaked for a) making a ton of shit (large production runs) and b) having qualified labor in massive numbers working instead of automation;
2. This system already started having issues by 1980s due to societal and demographic issues, because the country had less and less free waves of qualified technical labor;
3. Then during the 90s a ton of MIC straight up died due to lack of financing, those which survived did so based on 2.5 pillars of a) foreign orders and b) reusing shit from storage, with a sprinkle of state subsidies (there wasn't enough money to have this be a full pillar);
4. As a part of this survival, the MIC had to evolve and adapt in how it existed, which basically meant that there won't be any massive production anymore, nor will there will be tens of thousands of qualified machinists machining precision parts by hand on a manually controlled lathe, so any processes tweaked for it have to go. Processes switched to low production runs and use of western (primarily german) industrial equipment, such as CNC mills and such.
5. For some industries this was actually a pretty natural change, such making fighter jets and such. But "making tanks" for example became the familiar process of "take T-72 from storage, refurbish in factory with manual labor, replace some parts with new ones, place a better FCS and thermals purchased abroad, sell to country X for $$$". Old processes and manufacturing lines, with casting, manual machining and all that jazz literally died. Along with know-how, traditions, contractors and labor practices outright.
1/2
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:54:18 PM No.63989071
>>63985135
cont. >>63989038
6. The T-14 tank and the whole Armata project (which a whole series to vehicles that partially shared parts and platform) was not only about the tank, but actually restarting real new tank production, which would allow russia to actually build real new tanks (and not just refurbish shit from storage) and also do it in significant numbers. IIRC they've planned at least 400-500 T-14 tanks per year as a baseline, with potential to increase.
7. However, like many other projects in the russian MIC, they were planned and started during the golden era of post-soviet russia, i.e. when 90s moved into early 2000s and oil prices grew year after year with no end in sight. That basically made the russians think that it will continue on the same trend. They unironically expect oil prices of $250+ per barrel by 2016-2018, if my memory serves me right. So a ton of those projects, all of which are always super fucked up by corruption (that's not even up for discussion, corruption is the glue which holds the regime together), needed tens of billions of USD to get up and running. Tens of billions which were squandered on propaganda projects like the Olympics, RT, FSB operations in Ukraine, Europe and the US. And which later didn't materialize because oil prices basically stopped growing after 2014.
8. They literally didn't have enough money to push those projects (T-14 being just one among many, look up Angara, PAK-DA, Baikal, whatever) until the actual finish line. So they've wasted billions on R&D, manually constructed prototypes and even spent money on a new production line for the T-14 and all that, but never had the money to reach their goal.
9. Once the invasion started, shit got even more fucked in terms of money. Maybe if 2022 didn't happen then some of those projects would materialize in more modest forms by 2025-2030, but 2022 threw a wrench in all that.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 11:55:20 PM No.63989076
>>63986608
>electronics from Thales
They literally still get supplied via an intermediary from Kazakhstan. Or at least they did in 2024.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 7:28:08 AM No.63990358
>>63989076
>Kazakhstan
They pissed them off too.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:12:02 AM No.63990433
>>63988443
>are going to make the main core of their armored forces 800 T-62Ms
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:37:59 AM No.63990474
>>63985280
there is a promo shot with 8 su57 sitting on a runway, so that means there are at least 8 su57 shaped things in russia.
i dont have the pic right now, but i will search for it
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 8:56:25 AM No.63990503
>>63986910
Minister of defense announced they would have 500 of them by 2027 in 2020
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 12:53:51 PM No.63990818
>>63987987
>instantly gets defensive and accidently conforms it's a bodykit.