What calibers have the highest body count?
Hard mode: no cliche references to the Franz Ferdinand pistol

>>63986653 (OP)
I have no evidence but wild-ass guess is 7.62x39

>>63986653 (OP)
Can artillery rounds or ship guns be measured in caliber? small arms has to be something obvious. I'd love to see one of those moving bar graphs showing highest body count by caliber through the years; I've never seen one.

>>63986653 (OP)

Statistically it's probably 10.5 cm German artillery used in WWI and WWII.

>>63986653 (OP)
Probably .30 super carry or .458 weatherby

>>63986653 (OP)
Small arms?
7.62x54R
.303
.30-06
9x18
9x19
.45 ACP
I suspect 12.7x99 has been responsible for a massive amount of death, on land sea and air.

>>63986733
I forgot 7.62x25

>>63986653 (OP)
8mm Mauser

>>63986663
Probably because it would be essentially impossible to calculate even if you had detailed info about every casualty with the amount of data you's have to sift through and compile.

>>63986653 (OP)
8mm Mauser? 7.62x54R?

>>63986653 (OP)
The Franz Ferdinand pistol.

>>63986733
You forgot 7.62x39

>>63986653 (OP)
Globally, 9mm
US specific, .22LR

>>63986733
What about .25 ACP?

>>63986733
>7.62x54R
This and 7.62x39 only for both the age and proliferation. 5.45x39 doesn't nearly have the same reach.
5.56 won't have the same reach because .30 carbine was the weapon the US proliferated. Later the US bought friendly forces AKs.

>>63988508
Why would the .25acp have a large bodycount? 6.5 sneedmore has killed few if any humans, despite it being a good round. The new US 6.8mm has killed no humans.

For a pistol you only have crime and self defense as the major source of kills, especially if it didn't do much as a SMG.

>>63986653 (OP)
easily cartridges that are nominally .30 caliber.
maybe you meant a specific cartridge? too bad yer a noguns who doesn't understand common firearms terminology
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>63989187
.25ACP was quite popular from its' inception until the introduction of the Gun Control Act of 1968, although the reason I posted was because of it's use by executioner Vasily Blokhin during the Katyn Massacre, who is reported to have killed about 7,000 Polish officers by hand using a set of .25ACP Walther Model 2 pistols

>>63986653 (OP)
What did the IJA issue in China?

>>63989205
probably the type 38 in 6.5, although I imagine a lot of kills were made with bayonets too.

>>63986656
Between Soviet genocide and African tribal war, it's gotta be in the running. Although I have a feeling some pistol caliber may be number 1 thanks to basketball-americans and the entirety of South America.

>>63986653 (OP)
720.00 cal fat man

>>63989329
>Between Soviet genocide and African tribal war, it's gotta be in the running
I feel like the sino-japanese war(s) might be contenders to.
7.7mm across three weapon systems would have stacked a lot of bodies there, as per >>63989244 (thanks).

>>63986653 (OP)
>What calibers have the highest body count?
80 - 82mm mortar

>>63986653 (OP)
It’s between a few.
>7.62x54r
>7.62x51
>7.62x39
>5.56x45
>9mm

Probably
>7.62x54r
Or
>7.62x39

>>63986653 (OP)
Maxims in 7.62x54 has been in continuous service from 1895 to today.

>>63986653 (OP)
9mm and it's not even close

>>63990780
It’s definitely not 5.56, we do all our killing from the air.

>>63989187
>Why would the .25acp have a large bodycount?
because that's what poor people killed eachother with back in the day.

I disagree with 7.62x54r

Their users were generally horrible, and were more likely to lose the rifle than kill someone - or get killed themselves in droves.

Inversely - users of 8x57mm were arguably more effective soldiers. In WW2 alone, their enemies suffered over 12 million military deaths and over 30 million civilian deaths - not all were killed by 8x57mm, but even if the number was 10% - then it still far out paces other calibers.

For the same reason, .30-06 users were also more skillful. While not as long in use as 7.62x54r, it had been in use since WW1 up to the present day. However the main user has generally been late to the parties, other than the Korean War. I would still put the.30-06 behind 8x57mm because their users generally did not use them against civilians.

7.62x54r generally faded from mainstream rifle use in the 50s other than machine guns. So it's kill count would have fallen off a cliff compared to WW2 highs.

Regarding 7.62x39mm one can argue the prolification of AK-47s that it would have killed a lot of people... But the AK-47 itself was superceded by 5.45x39mm rifles so the line blurs.

However we have not had the same levels of deaths compared to WW1 and WW2 so the scale is off for 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm compared full power calibers. You can throw in Africa or the middle east, but a lot of deaths there could be attributed to other calibers too, or just plain starvation.

Same reason with 7.62x51 NATO as above.

Now if you say 5.56x45mm - you gotta keep in mind that it took on average about 45,000 bullets to kill an enemy soldier in Vietnam, and an estimated 300,000 bullets spent to kill in Afghanistan. That said I dont think 5.56 killed more than .30 calibers.

>>63990780
.308 and .223 don't belong on the list.

>>63990780
I'd argue 7.62 tok has stacked more bodies than 9mm. I think it's between the Russian 7.62 trio. Probably x54r.

Tok has way more bodies than people think. All over the world up until the 80s plus entire divisions equipped with it, Korean war, nam, Chinese civil war, etc. It's probably really close to x39 despite being essentially a dead round now.

>>63990502
Yeah 7.7 is up there

>>63993576
>it took on average about 45,000 bullets to kill an enemy soldier in Vietnam, and an estimated 300,000 bullets spent to kill in Afghanistan.
Even after having the mechanics of this explained to me and even though i at least somewhat understand them, these numbers don't feel real. Like they're joke figures, excessive estimations made up for some nefarious purpose. The kill count was what, 110k not counting civilians? That's over 30 billion bullets. Enough to plug everyone on earth thrice and have plenty left over. That's just unreasonable.

>>63994722
*numbers referring to afghanistan, obviously.

>>63989200
.22 long rifle is gonna have a way higher body count than .25 ACP just from being more commonly used and still being used heavily.

>>63986653 (OP)
I want to know what the list looks like after the usual suspects. Those being: .22lr, .380, , 38spl, 9mm, .223/5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, 7.62x54r

>>63986653 (OP)
>nobody says .50 bmg despire .50 bmg being mounted variously on every US combat vehicle from 1939 to the present day.

Small arms and even squad MGs do a minimal amount of actual killing. Heavy machine guns mortars and artillery have utterly dominated kill counts since WW1. If you want to talk about small arms specifically you're probably talking about one of the British or French empires musket calibers that stayed in service for a hundred years or more like British Land Pattern .75 or the French .69 Charleville

Those guns actually did the killing in many of their engagements and in the Brown bess's case it was THE GUN of the British empire for 145 years. Charleville for about 120. And those periods were bloody and full of Imperial wars that saw large european land campaigns with pitched field battles were thousands and thousands of men died.

Modern Firearms do a minority of the actual direct engagement and their primary purpose is keeping enemy forces pinned down so they can be flanked or bombed to death. Whoever shoots more wins and trying to pop up and shoot once you're suppressed is just begging for random sudden death. Think all those videos from syria of a guy moving into the open and just getting instantly schwacked, thats not a sniper he stepped into an MG burst.

>>63994722

It sounds like they just took the total amount of ammunition procured by the entire military and divided it by the # of enemy soldiers killed by small arms. So they're counting every round fired in training across the while military.

Also depending on the conflict, anywhere from 50-90% of KIA are taken out by various forms of artillery.

If a cannon 155mm all shapes
If a gun
1:7.62 x39
2:7.62x54 /9mm
3:5.45x39 quite a spread round but not too sure