>When it comes to sheer technological bleeding‑edge performance per unit in WWII, Germany outpaced all others. Key examples:
>1. **Jet Fighters (Me262 Schwalbe)**
>First operational jet fighter, cruising \~870km/h—well above any piston‑engine opponent. Its swept‑wing, twin‑jet layout laid the groundwork for all postwar combat jets.
>2. **Rocket Technology (V‑2 Ballistic Missile)**
>The world’s first long‑range guided ballistic missile, reaching >80km altitude and Mach4.5 speeds. Its liquid‑fuel engines and inertial guidance foreshadowed both ICBMs and space launch vehicles.
>3. **Assault Rifle (StG44)**
>First true selective‑fire infantry rifle using an intermediate cartridge and detachable 30‑round magazine. This “assault‑rifle” blueprint became the standard small‑arms format after 1945.
>4. **Heavy & Medium Tanks (TigerII, Panther)**
>TigerII combined 150mm front armor with the powerful 88mm KwK43 L/71 gun; Panther married sloped composite armor with a high‑velocity 75mm KwK42. Both outclassed Allied armor in protection and firepower.
>5. **Guided Munitions (FritzX & Hs293)**
>The FritzX radio‑guided bomb and rocket‑boosted Hs293 were the first precision‑guided weapons, capable of striking battleships from beyond AA range.

6. **Night‑Vision (ZG1229 Vampir)**
>First active‑infrared aiming scope for infantry rifles, employing an IR spotlight and image converter to enable accurate fire in total darkness.
>7. **Fire‑Control Computers (Würzburg & Kommandogerät Series)**
>Advanced electromechanical analog calculators that solved real‑time ballistic firing solutions for flak batteries and naval guns, vastly improving accuracy and reaction time.
>8. **Acoustic Homing Torpedo (G7e T5 “Zaunkönig”)**
>One of the first passive‑sonar homing torpedoes, using hydrophone sensors to hunt ship propeller noise—forcing the Allies to develop counter‑measures.
>9. **Rocket‑Interceptor (Bachem Ba349 Natter)**
>A vertical‑takeoff, manned point‑defense rocket with mass‑fired Schrägaufsatz rockets—an early VTOL/point‑defense concept.
>10. **Flying‑Wing Jet (Horten Ho229)**
>The first jet‑powered flying wing, with an airframe that anticipated stealth‑like RCS reduction and extreme aerodynamic efficiency.
Thanks Chatgpt

>Nuclear weapons 0

And uncrackable military communications... right?

>>63994823
>>63994821 (OP)
>industrial capacity
>oil

>>63994847
>Nuclear weapons 0
yeah but we were close

and today's Germany has one of the (if not the) biggest stashed away stack of ready Pu239 in the world
somewhere between ~40-200tons (no credible source for the actual amount, just archived newspaper articles that mention a few tons here and there)
either buried in "bunkers" because no one wanted to talk about this post cold war (last serious news articles you can find are from 1998)
or in Karlsruhe (KIT), Munich (TUM) etc. for nuclear "safety" research

all in preparation for a bomb without actually having one

even funnier
in 2002? a journalist found drawings / plans for a bomb in I think FIZBw (Bundeswehr "library")
from as early as 1952 and with most likely first functional designs from the 1960s
with constantly (over the decades) updated supplier lists, tooling etc. needed to build one on short notice
the newspaper (Spiegel) and journalist were silenced pretty quickly to not get into an international scandal, it never went into print, just a few pre-prints, leaked email and research documents
and now no one know where the plans went

>>63994821 (OP)
Americans had:
>VT fuse shell
Which was worth more in the field than every German invention combined
>M1 Garand as standard rifle instead of bolt actions
Need I say anything? Crazy fucking firepower difference
>guided bombs
The Fritz X was nothing special
>M2 carbine
A small change to the M1 carbine made it just as effective as the StG 44 it even had better ergonomics
>B29 Superfortress
Need I say more? A crazy fucking plane with RADAR assisted gunners who would have ruined Germany even harder than the B17's
>NUKES
Need I say more retard? That's the best weapon of WW2 above everything else combined

>>63994821 (OP)
>1. **Jet Fighters
The Me262 was developed amd flew first, but Hitler insisted the damned thing be adapted into a bomber, delaying deployment so the British Glouster Meteor entered operational service first.
>>2. **Rocket Technology (V‑2 Ballistic Missile)*
Fair enough. American rocketry was hampered by Goddard being an iconoclastic asshole who wouldn't listen to anyone. He'd certainly talk about his ideas, though, and Van Braun listened.
>3. **Assault Rifle (StG44)**
Absolutely true.
*Heavy & Medium Tanks (TigerII, Panther)**
It would have been great if they had a drive train that could more than 60 kilometers without self destructing. Still, they were superior when they didn't self convert into an immobile pillbox.
>**Guided Munitions (FritzX & Hs293)*
I think the closest thing the Allies had was loading a plane down with explosives and flying it by radio control into stuff. Still, by the time this was developed, Allied Naval units were the least of Germany's problems.
>*Night‑Vision (ZG1229 Vampir)**
Crazy advanced tech for the time. The US realt didn't start using something similar until the 60s
>7. **Fire‑Control Computers (Würzburg & Kommandogerät Series)**
At least as early as the US South Dakota Class battleships, the US Navy had electromechanical radar directed fire control computers capable of directing fire from the main 16" batteries as well as the 5" secondary batteries. The B29 also Incorporated analog fire control computers for its defense turrets.
>One of the first passive‑sonar homing torpedoes, using hydrophone sensors to hunt ship propeller noise—forcing the Allies to develop counter‑measures.
Genuinely cool.
>A vertical‑takeoff, manned point‑defense rocket with mass‑fired Schrägaufsatz rockets—an early VTOL/point‑defense concept.
Luftwaffe 1946 shit that never actually flew doesn't count.
>>The first jet‑powered flying wing
Okay, this one is cool.

>>63994888
>yeah but we were close
German scientists were dicking around with heavy water. They were going for fusion without worrying about fission first.

>>63994821 (OP)
>>First active‑infrared aiming scope for infantry rifles, employing an IR spotlight and image converter to enable accurate fire in total darkness.
>>63994932
>The US realt didn't start using something similar until the 60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAhe4pk2Pn8

>>63994943
Well, damn. I stand corrected.
Also, the US deployed Sikorsky R-4 helicopters to Burma in 1943.

>>63994823
>8. **Acoustic Homing Torpedo (G7e T5 “Zaunkönig”)**
Either turns around to hit the sub that fired it, or just cripples the boat it hits, doesn't actually sink it. Serves as a crutch, more than a serious improvement.

>>63994821 (OP)
do wehrboos ever actually study any other nation in WW2?

>>63994821 (OP)
>any of these
>good
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>63994821 (OP)
>>63994823
The Ho229 never finished development, and it stealth wasn't one of its goals.

>>63994914
what about the V2 and Werner von Braun bringing americans to the moon with his tech?
Do you know the joke that when they finally landed on the moon, someone in the controll center screamed heil hitler.
One half stood up and did the salute while the other half got extremely scared, as it was exclusively germans and jews getting them there.

>>63994821 (OP)
They lost.

>>63994970
You ride one in Medal of Honor Rising Sun, it spawned heli autism in me as a kid and to this day I would give up every dime I had, the woman I love, and any life for a chance to be a Huey pilot flying in combat

>>63997373
Except it was actually Hungarians

>>63994821 (OP)
Okay, retard. Fine..let's grant your entire thesis. German Nazi science was the best in the world. They still lost. What does this prove?

>>63994821 (OP)
None of it matters if you don't win.

>>63994847
>>63994914
Maybe germs didn't have nukes, but their chemical stockpile, especially tabun were just as effective as two digits numbers of atomic bomb in 1945.
The main point is there's no way they could never, ever take the fight to the us mainland.
They couldn't finish developing the Me 264.
The a9/a10 icbm would take years, and no less than a decade to even hope to achieve a CEP of less than 10km.
> t. pic related is what they had, enough for bongs and the ussr

>>63994888
>yeah but we were close
Dude, you'd have about as much trying to build a nuke out of literal human piss as you would have building one out of heavy water. Even if the team and research facility weren't wiped out by British special forces they could have worked on that project for centuries without producing a single warhead.

Also, remember, each of those hilariously inefficient, cost ineffective, unreliable prototypes that had basically no effect on the war was only green lit because the Nazis were getting Roflstomped by the Allies and needed to desperately reach for any perceived advantage so that surrender didn't look like the only option.

>Post YFW you realise that the height of WWII German engineering was the Wehrmacht Einheitskanister, AKA 'The Jerry Can'.

>>63997373
>what about the V2 and Werner von Braun bringing americans to the moon with his tech?
what about Robert H. Goddard developing all the rocket technology that Germans later utilized in their projects?

>>64000107
bongs were fucking ready to go full IJA on the germans the moment they tried this shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vegetarian?useskin=vector

>>63994821 (OP)
It's almost like if some retard had squandered quite bit of potential of some gifted European people. Who would have thought!

>>63997373
>what about the V2 and Werner von Braun bringing americans to the moon with his tech?
You mean that thing that only happened in your dreams? The Nazi rocket scientists who were 'paperclipped' were only chosen to make sure that the Soviets didn't get anything that might, potentially, in some unforeseen future scenario, be useful to them. The German scientists brought back to the US spent most of their time renting themselves out as after dinner speakers and giving presentations to civilian hobbyist level rocket clubs. Wino von Brown was initially given a job to develop rocket artillery at Fort Bragg, but was rapidly thrown out on his ass because 99% of what he did there was complain that the housing and food he was offered weren't luxurious enough for him, and that nobody gave him the respect he thought he deserved.
>tl;dr - muh nazi rocket syentists is peak boomer meme. Anybody taking it seriously is announcing that they shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>64000593
>It's almost like if
>Who would have thought!

>>63994821 (OP)
>>When it comes to sheer technological bleeding‑edge performance per unit in WWII, Germany outpaced all others. Key examples:
>> 1. **Jet Fighters (Me262 Schwalbe)**
>>First operational jet fighter, cruising \~870km/h—well above any piston‑engine opponent. Its swept‑wing, twin‑jet layout laid the groundwork for all postwar combat jets.
>> 2. **Rocket Technology (V‑2 Ballistic Missile)**
>>The world’s first long‑range guided ballistic missile, reaching >80km altitude and Mach4.5 speeds. Its liquid‑fuel engines and inertial guidance foreshadowed both ICBMs and space launch vehicles.
>> 3. **Assault Rifle (StG44)**
>>First true selective‑fire infantry rifle using an intermediate cartridge and detachable 30‑round magazine. This “assault‑rifle” blueprint became the standard small‑arms format after 1945.
>> 4. **Heavy & Medium Tanks (TigerII, Panther)**
>>TigerII combined 150mm front armor with the powerful 88mm KwK43 L/71 gun; Panther married sloped composite armor with a high‑velocity 75mm KwK42. Both outclassed Allied armor in protection and firepower.
>> 5. **Guided Munitions (FritzX & Hs293)**
>>The FritzX radio‑guided bomb and rocket‑boosted Hs293 were the first precision‑guided weapons, capable of striking battleships from beyond AA range.

>>64000594
Good question — and a very reasonable one, given the history of **Operation Paperclip** and the role of Wernher von Braun’s team.

Here’s what we know:

After World War II, the U.S. brought over about **1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians**, many from the V-2 rocket program at Peenemünde, under Operation Paperclip.

Of those, about **120–130 Germans** formed the core of the rocket development group at **Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama**, which later became NASA’s **Marshall Space Flight Center**.

This German team — led by Wernher von Braun — designed the **Saturn V rocket**, the launch vehicle that made Apollo possible.

So, to sum up:
Roughly **120–130 German scientists/engineers** were directly involved in NASA’s rocket development for Apollo, among thousands of American engineers and scientists.

The wider Apollo program itself (including astronauts, mission control, spacecraft engineers, etc.) involved **over 400,000 people**, so the Germans were a tiny fraction of the total — but they were central to the **rocket technology** part.

If you want, I can also break down their specific roles (propulsion, guidance, staging) or how they transitioned from the V‑2 to Saturn V. Let me know!

>>64000695
It’s hard to imagine Apollo’s 1969 lunar landing happening on schedule without the former Peenemünde engineers brought to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip—here’s why:

1. **Saturn V Development**

* Wernher von Braun’s team of \~120–130 German engineers at Redstone Arsenal formed the nucleus of what became NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center and led the design of the Saturn V rocket.
* Saturn V—still the most powerful rocket ever flown—was a quantum leap over anything the pre-Paperclip U.S. rocketry community had built.

2. **Domestic Expertise in 1945**

* The U.S. had organizations like NACA (predecessor to NASA), Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and private firms (e.g. Aerojet, Thiokol) working on liquid- and solid-fuel designs.
* However, before 1945 they were focused on cruise missiles, turbojets, and short-range rockets—nowhere near the megawatt cryogenic engines and massive staging required for lunar missions.

3. **Likely Outcome Without Them**

* **Technically possible**: American engineers could surely have reinvented much of von Braun’s work given enough time and resources.
* **But…**: U.S. rocketry would almost certainly have been delayed by **at least 5–10 years**—missing Kennedy’s “before the decade is out” directive and likely ceding the Moon to the Soviets.

4. **Bottom Line**

* The German scientists didn’t do it all, but they **enabled** the U.S. to leap from V-2–derived test rockets in the late ’40s to flight-proven Saturn V boosters by the mid-’60s.
* Without them, a lunar landing was still within reach eventually—but almost certainly **not by July 1969**, and almost certainly at a much higher cost in time, money, and experimental failures.

>>64000695
Firstly: kek, peenymundy.
Secondly: so it's confirmed, you're just spouting boomer memes unironically. Thank you for announcing that nobody should ever take you seriously.

>>64000713
Germany’s Peenemünde was a single, centralized R&D and production complex with dedicated test stands, wind tunnels, and assembly tunnels.

U.S. rocketry before 1945 was diffuse—focused on aviation support (JATO), small research rockets at White Sands and Caltech, and no major weapons-development center for ballistic systems.

Guidance: German missiles used pioneering inertial systems; American JATO had no guidance (it simply burned for a fixed time), and U.S. sounding rockets were unguided beyond basic fin stabilization.

Von Braun’s work enabled America’s leap into large-scale rocketry and trained much of the early rocketry workforce,

>>64000769
>more boomer memes
just give up little guy, your bullshit fanfiction will always be an embarrassment, just like your nigger formatting and frogposting

>>64000775
>Hasnt brought up only one argument
The absolute state of /k/attle.

>>64000791
>hasn't posted a single fact
the absolute state of frognigger shitskins

>>64000791
>posts nothing
>demands 'argument'
How closely related were your parents, grand-parents, great-grand-parents, etc?

>>63994821 (OP)
so... they won right?

>>64000803
Same person

>>64000107
> anthrax
Germs had been hoarding foods all across yuro, so it will be other yuro that will likely starve first, and it wont be that long before germs started noticing something's off with their cattles.
Tabun was easily the vastly superior weaponized agent, destructive and not the easiest to defend against, at least in wartime bong condition, much less how it was in the ussr

>>64002297
meant for >>64000571

>>64002297
Nerve gas is more deadly than anthrax spores, sure but Britain could easily cover all of Germany with it a hundred fold compared to Germans attacking Britain.

>>63994821 (OP)
They would have had Gulf War 1 tech by the late 60s operational. Guided weapons, night vision, thermobarics et. al. All from getting on the transistor miniaturization train good and early in the century (and taking non-atomist 'exotic' physics as their research priors).

>>63994943
it's strange how little-known these seem to be nowdays, despite actually seeing combat in the pacific

>>64002329
> cover all of Germany with it a hundred fold
in combination with the USAF, sure, but if it was the RAF all alone against the Luftwaffe, i doubt it.
and by early 1945, Germs managed to extend v1 range to 400km, and v2 to around 360km, sufficient to cover the whole of south east england.
and considering how primitive yet cheap the v1 relatively was, it's more than likely its the bong that will fold first even if germs were too broke to mass produce the v2.

>>63994821 (OP)
>See, we have a total technological dominance. Lets reintroduce slavery into Europe!!

>>64000536
>>63994935
dumbfucks

https://riderinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/GermanAtomicBomb2025-06-02.pdf

>>64002689
page 104 btw if you wanna skip to the bomb parts

>>64002329
They didn't need to cover all of Europe even once, that was clearly thought through and part of the plan. Biological weapons spread by themselves once deployed, that's one of the main things that makes them terrifying. Pandemic level respiratory Anthrax across Europe (which would have happened within a few weeks/months of the bombing of agricultural areas) is about as bad as worst case medical scenarios get.

>>64002689
>It's OK guys
>Some random posted a powerpoint presentation about how Germany totally could have actually built a real bomb!
>Granted the (incredibly poorly made) powerpoint is almost entirely contemporary news stories of questionable veracity, but it aligns with what he wants to be real, so it must be true!
>All the physicists who've pointed out that everything found at Penemunde tells us that the Germans were basing their nuclear weapons program on physics that definitely cannot build a bomb don't know what they're talking about
>because of this random persons powerpoint
Phew, I'm glad you decided to share that Anon. It's very interesting and completely relevant to the conversation ITT.

>>64002709
there's a whole fucking book bub
https://riderinstitute.org/revolutionary-innovation/

>>64002710
Oh, why didn't you say there was a book! They don't just let any old retard write a book you know. That must mean it's true!

https://www.amazon.com/100-Proofs-That-Earth-Globe/dp/1979799318

>>64002718
dude it has citations to the specific reports and references a shit ton of primary sources?

like maybe open it up and read???

>>64002720
additionally there are video links on the page I mentioned as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0j4vsrz5XE

>>64002709
anthrax wasn't exactly unknow by 1940s, so it will most likely hurt other occupied central/western yuro more than germs before they figured out bongs plan.
tabun being a fast acting agent, and require both hazmat and effective gas mask, both were unavailable historically in britain wartime condition.
Even the e6-3-7 assault mask issued to omaha beach troops were later tested and turned out to be rather questionable against tabun, and that's the best gear you could have in the 40s against gas

>>64002742
>unknow
*unknown

>>64002724

>Retarded dictator blew all the jew gold he stole on wunderwaffens
This sounds suspiciously familiar...

>>64002742
>anthrax wasn't exactly unknow by 1940s, so it will most likely hurt other occupied central/western yuro more than germs before they figured out bongs plan.
Why do you think that was significant? Vegetarian was a last gasp 'revenge' attack from the first day of the plan. It was put together immediately after the Dunkirk evacuation, when Britain was expecting the Wehrmacht to land on British soil almost immediately. It was meant to make sure that even in the worst case scenario Germany would still lose. Yes, biological weapons spread far outside the area they're released in - that's what makes them so effective and terrifying.

>Tabun, tabun, tabun, tabun, tabun
Nerve gas is a tactical weapon, not a strategic weapon. It would have been potentially devastating if it had been deployed against Allied/Soviet troops. It would not have achieved nearly enough to make it worth doing, considering the consequences though (that's the point of the various conventions/laws in question). There also wasn't a single point in the war, not even at the height of the blitz, were Germany would have been able to reliably hit British cities with gas bombs densely enough to make it 'worth the effort' - not that it could be worth the effort, see above.
>tl;dr, the German Chemical Weapons program was an irrelevant nothing, and you're an idiot for caring about it

>>63994914
>A small change to the M1 carbine made it just as effective as the StG 44 it even had better ergonomics
.30 carbine - 1990fps, 967ftlbs
7.92 kurz - 2250fps, 1408ftlbs
M1 carbine is delivering almost 50% less energy on target.

Also how can you possibly claim a traditional rifle stock is more ergonomic than a modern style pistol grip plus an in-line stock?

>>64002855
> Nerve gas is a tactical weapon
tactical nor strategic is about their application, not destructive power
A modern thermonuclear bomb can both be strategic and tactical, too.

> In close collaboration with the Air Ministry, Raubkammer also tested 250kg aerial bombs containing 85kg of Tabun. These tests showed that about 25 percent of the agent remained in the bomb crater, while the rest was converted into a vapor cloud that traveled about 100 meters downwind, creating a lethal zone of 3000 to 5000 sq. meters. Although spraying Tabun from a low-flying aircraft was a more effective means of dissemination, the Luftwaffe rejected this approach because it would expose the aircraft and crew to hostile ground fire.

The above was from War of nerves, J B Tucket btw.
Greater London is about 1572 square km
so even with half of their tabun stock was enough to saturate an area of over 200 square km. That's two third of inner london, and we are talking about one of the most densely populated cities, as it already was back then, even with the blitz
And considering with 10000 v1 fired at britain and still 2500 managed to reach their mark, a chemical v1 would be an ideal platform, considering their level flight profile was just the ideal method to 'spray' the chemicals.
And not to mention the v2.

>>64002965
>The point
>
>
>Your head

>>64003013
> greentext spamming
> zero arguments
that's just a rebuke against your claim of chemicals being purely tactical, mate.
And no, a stockpile of anything with the destructive capacity worth of at least double digits atomic bombs is far from purely "tactical"

>>63994821 (OP)
You need to fucking hang for being an AI poster, let alone for your post being wrong.
>Its swept‑wing, twin‑jet layout laid the groundwork for all postwar combat jets.
The Me 262 only had swept wings to shift the center of gravity, not for speed. The US only copied the Germans homework for wing sweep because they were already planning on doing the same thing and the Germans already had the test data they would otherwise have to spend resources on obtaining by themselves. The second part is just categorically fucking false.
>V2
Had virtually zero effect on the war as a weapon. Not to mention that it was built upon the foundations led by Goddard, which von Braun himself credited.
>StG 44
The US actually fielded semi-automatic rifles as standard issue infantry weapons.
>Tiger II and Panther
The Tiger II was a white elephant at best on a strategic level and the Panther was marred by critical flaws for much of its service life. Postwar tank development was far more influenced by US, Soviet, and UK design.
>guided munitions
True but Germans weren't the only innovators in the field. The US was developing and fielding TV-controlled guided munitions and UAVs during the war.
>Night vision
The US and USSR both had equivalent NV systems for infantry.
>fire control computers
This shit in particular convinces me that Wherbs don't read about anything other than Germany. US naval fire control predated their German equivalents and was more advanced and effective. Not to mention that US gunnery was paired with VT fuses.
>G7e T5
yes but half baked and killed at least one of its own launch vessels
>Ba 349
JFC that fucking thing is not a merit or accomplishment of Germany.
>Ho 229
Done to death, but just read about Jack Northrop's career. US flying wing development was far ahead of Germany. Also the stealth claim was made up, and the RCS of the Ho 229 was found to be roughly the same as conventional fighters of the period. Also killed its test pilot.

>>64003044
>Tries to pretend that Germany had the capacity to deliver tonnes of chemical weapons onto British cities (they didn't)
>Suddenly talking about nukes for no apparent reason
Take a breath, walk away from the screen for a while, get your head back in one piece m8.

>>63994914
>>VT fuse shell
Assuming you mean proximity-fused shells, then yea - this alone blows anything any other country had out of the water in terms of effectiveness and affect on overall warfare.