Thread 63998422

Improvised pipe gun issued to Russian troops for use against drones. What's going on here? Is it a shotgun? Do they really not have enough shotguns to issue for anti-drone work? Or is it something more exotic?

>>63998422 (OP)
Well, let's look at the scoreboard:
>Improvised black powder pipe gun: 1
>AR-15/modern gun: 0
The result speaks for itself.

>>63998598
Why did you infer it was black powder?

>>63998604
Because smokeless doesn't look like that. Truly smegkaka at its finest.

>>63998610
You're retarded. Go outside.

How light could you make a "shotgun" if the requirements were...

>single shot
>single use
>accurate enough to drop a drone from 30 m
>mechanically or electronically fired

>>63998619
Single use is doesnt make sense.
Do you mean "single shot and slow to reload" Short lifespan?
Very light. Shotgun shells are low pressure which is why stuff like 4 Winds is even possible.
Unless you use something like enhanced PVC which is just strong enough for the single firing and then is unsafe

>>63998422 (OP)
its funny how even fictional post apocalyptic russian weapons are more generous than their real life counterpart

>>63998619
If you could cheaply make carbon fiber tubes we are talking sub 2 pounds loaded with rudimentary sights and stock.

>>63998652
>That recoil-absorbing spring-loaded stock
I miss when game devs would actually put some thought into their game's firearms.
Is that spring strong enough? Probably not it looks pretty weak. But given the fact you can make it a quad-barrel, I'd want recoil delaying springs.

Hohol propaganda, we definitely do not have a shotgun shortage

>>63998615
didnt know Mikes boyfriend ever shot a gun

>>63998707
rent free

>>63998680
>we

>>63999212
>are you sure?
They probably are, they sound like they'd have inside knowledge on zigger shotgun stocks.

>>63998662
I work in manufacturing and that looks like one of those retarded weight flat wound springs. Should be a solid choice for absorbing recoil

>>63998422 (OP)
Ye olde blunderbuss is back on the menu

>>63998422 (OP)
Dios mio...

>>63998422 (OP)
Surely Russia is capable of producing something as simple as a shotgun in mass, right? Or do what the Ukrainians are doing and developing rounds specifically meant to tackle the drone problem. Surely Russia's industrial basebcan't be so fucked as to not be able to produce something as simple as a shotgun anymore

>>63998610
>>63998598
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>63999440
>Surely Russia is capable of producing something as simple as a shotgun in mass, right?
They almost certainly are and they don't even need them in mass, a few thousand should be floating around some gun company's warehouse and a few gun shop backrooms but that's not the problem.

The problem is that there is no process for a unit to request equipment and for that request to get through to the MoD, someone to look at the request, ask a committee a few questions and a procurement process begun.
This is units reaching out to their rear echelon staff and requesting shit and them making it themselves because nobody who cares has the authority, clout or budget to provide it and the ones that do have those things, don't care about the problem.

Military budgets in Russia don't exist to equip the troops, it exists to enrich the leadership, even the officers have to steal from the soldiers because they're not getting a cut from the procurement budget either.

>>63999685
Did you know that there are different types of black powder? That the specific composition and grain texture can have a significant impact on the smoke produced?
But I'm sure your stock photo is fairly representative.

>>63999440
>in mass
En masse. If you don't like frogspeak, you could say "in volume" or "at scale."

>>63998422 (OP)
>friendship ended with shoigun
>now rajesh the ironpipe lord is my new friend
Is the timber gen ok?

>>63998619
You can go surprisingly light if you strip everything down to the bare essentials:

* **Propulsion & ammo**: a tiny disposable CO2 or compressed-air cartridge (20 g of gas, \~25 g cartridge) driving a single plastic-wadding slug (10 g).
* **Barrel & housing**: thin‐walled polymer tube + minimal grip/trigger block, all molded in one piece (\~150 g).
* **Firing mechanism**: a single micro-solenoid valve (15 g) or simple spring-loaded striker (10 g), plus a 1 g button cell power source and switch (\~5 g).

**Total weight**:

> \~25 g (CO2) + 10 g (slug) + 150 g (tube & body) + 15 g (solenoid) + 5 g (battery/switch)
> **≈ 205 grams**

At \~200 g you’ve got a disposable “shotgun” that:

* Fires once, then is discarded
* Uses a slug accurate enough to punch a small quad-copter out of the sky from \~30 m
* Can be triggered mechanically (spring-striker) or electronically (solenoid + button cell)

In practice you’d build a molded polymer launch tube with an integrated CO2 capsule and firing valve, and package it all in a paper/cardboard carton. That yields a single-use, sub-¼ kg drone-downer.

thanks Chatgpt

>>63998615
>>63998707
lel. I remember when that photo came out and obongo's press team was warning people not to photoshop it, but within an hour we had all sorts of shops of him with an AK and whatnot.

>>63998619
Everything but the barrel can be made out of carbon fiber and weigh under a pound, the barrel would probably need to be made out of some composite to handle the pressure reliably
All in all, sub-2lbs. But it would be outrageously expensive

>>64000722
>But it would be outrageously expensive
It sounds like it would be dirt cheap to DIY with a 3d printer and a cheap vacuum bag carbonfibre setup.
The barrel would be the sticking point like it always is but the requirements are low so you might get away with something like a steel sleeved CF barrel, possibly just at the base and maybe banded along the length.
Ti if you want to go super light but Al maybe.
I wonder if you could layer several quite thin sleeves to try and get a composite effect from steel, Al and CF?

>>64000064
stupid frogposter

>>63998422 (OP)
Yuri owns a pipe factory and has suction with the kremlin. Yuri demands money from dem programz. Yuri now produces a shitty pipe shotgun.

>>63999212
There’s probably 100 million baikal single barrel shotguns in Russia.