Is a 22 magnum revolver enough for a reliable edc?

are you going to wait for a few people to say "No" before copy-pasying a big-ass argument you wrote out while the post timer ticked down?

Go ask in /hg/ so you can get called a retard (rightfully so)

>>64003793 (OP)
marginally better than a knife

>>64003793 (OP)
if you're asking this question, you already know the answer

>>64003802
Nah I have one but idk if I should get something better to conceal carry. Like, I want something I can easily slip in my pocket, but also want something that gives 10+ shots of 9mm and isn't something with a striker, or safety trigger like the lcp max. I don't trust polymer pocket pistols to reliably feed based on experience, and I'm having trouble trusting new sigs for a p938.

>>64003817
go get kimber's new pocket 1911 then. they came out with a sub 1k model just now

>>64003817
if you have one then why did you post a stock image from google?

OP do NOT fall for the kimber meme get a Wilson Combat EDC X9 2.0 in 3.25" and call it a day. That will solve all daily carry scenarios and issues for life.

>>64003860
Wilsons are good until they're in evidence lockers forever. May as well just get some rock islands

Just get a Glock 19

It's probably more effective than people care to admit, but that doesn't suggest you should settle for it if your concern is self defense.

>>64003793 (OP)
So long as it isn't a shit revolver, and so long as you're using reliable ammo : yes, it's enough. How do I know? Because if you were living in a situation where it wasn't enough, you'd fucking know. And you wouldn't be asking if it was enough, you'd be asking "what's my best up grade for carry?". You're fine. Carry on.

Unless you live in a ghetto, or an active war zone, it ought to do just fine.

>>64003793 (OP)
Are you a frail senior citizen?

>>64003793 (OP)
Yes

>>64003793 (OP)
22mag performs better than 22lr and 25ACP.

If I were you, I would look into a revolver in 32.

>>64003793 (OP)
22mag is good to go. Plenty of people carry the equivalent in 5.7 that's being hyped right now.

A gun is a gun, and it's better than .22LR from an itty bitty barrel like that, but I was never strongly convinced of .22WMR from pistol length barrels except for handgun hunting smaller animals.
You'd definitely be able to threaten and deter an assailant with one, and injure him too, maybe even fatally, but I don't love the odds.

If I was gonna carry a small revolver, I'd want it to be a .38 Special.
If I was gonna carry a .22 caliber handgun for defense, it would be one of those REALLY tiny Mini Revolvers to make it worth meek penetration, something that I could conceal in my asscrack or in my mouth or something.
Would never be my first choice though.

>>64003817
I think some of those Kahr 9mm pistols can hold 8 or 9 rds and they are double-action. I don't know if they're still in business though.

>>64004285
>something that I could conceal in my asscrack or in my mouth or something
I lol'd, I carry a black widow because the 2" barrel makes it just as deadly and accurate as a 2" lcr. My logic is simple.
>in public, break contact and retreat
>at home, break contact and retreat to shotgun or AR or p226
It's fine. I live in a small town though.

>>64003793 (OP)
Those .22lr S&W revolvers are pushing over 13 pound trigger pulls. I promise you anything is probably better than having to deal with that trigger pull with a snubnose sight radius

>>64004394
Yeah but single action is 4.

>>64003817
>Like, I want something I can easily slip in my pocket, but also want something that gives 10+ shots of 9mm and isn't something with a striker, or safety trigger like the lcp max
Maybe a Smith & Wesson CSX, then? It's compact, aluminum framed, holds 10 to 13 rounds of 9mm Luger depending on the magazine you use, and it has a hammer. Hell, if you wanna fall for the .30 Super Carry meme, it could hold up to 15 rounds of that, though I don't know if they still make it in that caliber.

Has a 3.1" barreled version, which is a bit shorter, as well as a 3.6" barreled version, which is, obviously, a bit longer, and combine with the two magazine lengths, you could thus pick and choose over slightly more or slightly less grip length and barrel/slide length, along with the slides all being cut for a red dot. There's also even a 17 round stendo, though you probably would not be carrying with that one inside.

It DOES have the trigger dingus, but I can't think of much else which has its characteristics, and I would suggest to try to just deal with it. Your other option for anything similar is gonna be Sig Saar.

>>64004247
5.7mm pistols have longer barrels, and while I don't think it's the best service pistol cartridge, it still has quite a lot more speed than .22WMR, in addition to being centerfire.

>>64003817
Not just because of the barrel length but it also being 22 MAG you will be very surprised at how loud even rimfire can be. I can't get my Beretta 21A to be quiet enough to not make my ears ring even with a silencer and Aguila Colibris outdoors. No silencer with earpro, it's still surprisingly loud even compared to 9mm handguns and that's only 22LR. 22 MAG out of a slightly longer barrel with a cylinder gap will be looooooud. It's not your number one priority in a self defense gun, I know, but I'm just trying to give fair warning that it's not going to just sound like a little firecracker just because it's rimfire.

>>64004394
Not sure how the new ones are but my old 70s Model 10 has a nice trigger even in DA. Heavy, yes. But smooth and consistent enough I wouldn't call it bad by any means. Maybe different on a snub though.

>>64004625
>Not just because of the barrel length but it also being 22 MAG you will be very surprised at how loud even rimfire can be.
Well, .22LR and .22WMR are outright rifle cartridges (they just happen to fit easily in handgun packages), they're intended to drive a bullet down a long barrel, so with pistols, you get more noise and flash from unburnt powder. .22LR from a pistol barrel is almost as loud as a 9mm Parabellum pistol, and .22WMR is going to be even louder from that fireball it'll make at the muzzle.
It's one of the multiple reasons that .22LR target pistols often have somewhat long barrels, you want longer sight radius anyway and you get a bit less noise that way too.

In more recent decades we've all had it hammered into us that we should be using hearing protection when target shooting, so it's not a big deal on average, but this stuff becomes something to think about if you wanna actually rely on them for defensive carry, where you probably won't have the time to put on ear protection.

>>64004285
ah Kahr K9 my beloved. one of my favorite pistols. totally unique design. trigger feels great. very comfy to shoot and it looks neato. and yes they still make them. btw the flush mags are 7 but they also make 8 and 10 round extended mags.

>>64003905
why put a doctor sight on a carry gun?

>>64004901

>>64004591
Did they ever make it in .30SC? I remember when it came out it didn't, and that seemed really weird to me because it seemed like a natural match and IIRC was announced at the same SHOT. Googling just seems to turn up people asking for one.

>>64004948
I actually don't recall 100% for sure, mostly because I didn't pay that much attention to the cartridge, but I do remember there being some article (maybe on TFB), about the CSX holding 10 to 12 of 9mm, and 12 to 15 of .30
Memory is never truly infallible, so I could be wrong, but it's what I recall.

>>64003793 (OP)
>Is a 22 magnum revolver enough for a reliable edc?
There certainly are better options but it's better than nothing and if you wanna just have a smol gun to quickly grab before heading out to grab the mail or walk your dog it's fine. Though at that point why wouldn't you just carry an NAA or Standard Manufacturing revolver for more convenience? 38spl is controllable with training so long as you don't carry Bubba's pissin hot loads that double as a flash bang. Hornady 90 Grain FTX Critical Defense Lite is fine.

I carry .32ACP and dont feel under-armed, but I also live in a relatively safe area and don't encounter a lot of bullshit that might make me feel otherwise.

>>64003793 (OP)
in my opinion, no. the biggest factor not even being rimfire reliability, it's the fact that once you go smaller than 380 auto, stopping power falls off a cliff. check out this link/other similar studies; https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power. the main takeaway is the '% of people who were not incapacitated' number; about a third of people shot by calibers smaller than 380 auto are not incapacitated regardless of how many times they are shot. i dunno about you, but i don't really wanna rely on pain compliance if somebody truly intends my family harm.

personally i'd go for 22lr instead if you want capacity in a revolver, or 38sp if you want stopping power. you're gonna be very reliant on excellent shot placement with smaller calibers, and you're gonna practice a lot more if your gun costs nothing to shoot. i don't really see the point of 22 mag out of a handgun. but really the list for ccw something like

9mm/duty caliber pistol (if you can conceal it)
38sp/duty caliber revolver (if you don't train clearing malfunctions)
380 auto pocket pistol
22lr revolver
22lr pistol

i wouldn't really consider anything else. really the only benefit to going smaller than 380 is 22lr for cost.

>>64006054
I'd definitely suggest something like a Ruger LCR or LCRx3 in .38 Special (maybe an SP101 if he cant deal with a polymer framed revolver), or Smith & Wesson CSX in 9mm Parabellum, they seem like better choices for what OP wants based on his stated criteria.
Also the Kahr K9 looks pretty good as well.

>>64004640
Rimfire guns usually have stronger hammer springs for more reliable ignition. A rimfire revolver will have a heavier double action pull than your centerfire one.

>>64006054

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

Conclusion:
This study took me a long time and a lot of effort to complete. Despite the work it took, I'm glad I did it. The results I got from the study lead me to believe that there really isn't that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately...even the lowly .22s. I've stopped worrying about trying to find the "ultimate" bullet. There isn't one. And I've stopped feeling the need to strap on my .45 every time I leave the house out of fear that my 9mm doesn't have enough "stopping power." Folks, carry what you want. Caliber really isn't all that important.

Take a look at the data. I hope it helps you decide what weapon to carry. No matter which gun you choose, pick one that is reliable and train with it until you can get fast accurate hits. Nothing beyond that really matters!

>>64006054
You're going to be very reliant on shot placement with ANY handgun caliber. A .45 or a 10mm will not make bad hits incapacitate someone unless it's a psychological stop. .22LR is doable but the reason why people go up to .22 WMR is because there isn't much of a recoil difference and the .22 Mag can actually punch past 12" of penetration in gel which is the key metric for defensive ammo. Also I don't have a problem with Greg Ellifritz but let's be real about what this study is. This is one instructor collecting a bunch of "data", whatever reports he could find, and making bar charts in excel. It's not a real study. Sample sizes are low and there are way too many variables such as shot placement, skill of the shooter, distance, etc. for this to be of much use.

>>64008048
>Folks, carry what you want. Caliber really isn't all that important.

this feels more like a psyop post, the gun equivalent of 'get out and vote!'

>>64008096
It's correct in the sense that all handguns just poke little holes in people and increasing the diameter by a few hundredths of an inch doesn't make much of a difference in the scheme of things.

>>64008048
>.32 ACP is nearly as effective as a rifle or shotgun
yeah

>>64003793 (OP)
>Budget revolver
>Reliable
Lol

>>64008323
>S&W Airlite
>budget
?

>>64008048
LOL i should have read his conclusion instead of just looking at the data. he completely ignores probably the most important piece of data he collected, the amount of people that did not stop

>>64008495
This kills PPTroon.

>>64008150
I'm a fan of smaller calibers but this statistic is basically meaningless, as he points out a lot of stops are basically just psychological, i.e.
>I thought I could fight/rob/assault this person but he pulled a gun and shot me
>Oh fuck I'm shot, I might die
>I need to stop doing what I'm doing

A stat that is highly relevant is that hits to the head had a 75 likelihood to stop an attacker, which is a valid argument for a smaller caliber if it is easier for you to make good hits with or gives you more shots with which to make hits, in the case of snubnose revolvers, with a .357 you might not be able to make hits with follow up shots due to the recoil and blast, while you might comfortably make headshots with a .22lr and have 8 shots to do it with.

>>64008644
>as he points out a lot of stops are basically just psychological
True, which is why displaying a firearm to a prospective perpetrator tends to work pretty reliably. "You know what? I'm not gonna risk getting shot over this guy, bye."
You shouldn't count even on that being the case though, see: >>64008495

>with a .357 you might not be able to make hits with follow up shots due to the recoil and blast
Maybe don't go for the airweight snub and the spiciest Buffalo Bore loads you can find.

>>64008105
>It's correct in the sense that all handguns just poke little holes in people and increasing the diameter by a few hundredths of an inch doesn't make much of a difference in the scheme of things.
This is true.
Which begs the question; why does everyone hate on .410 bore handguns?
Federal .410 handgun 000 buckshot puts 4 holes into the target with one trigger pull out to 25 yards. That's essentially 4 rounds of .32acp every time you squeeze the trigger and while this statistic >>64008495 is relevant, I highly doubt anyone using .32acp fired 20-24 rounds (the equivalent in pellets from a 5-6 shot .410 handgun with 000 buck)

>>64008781
mostly because they're fucking huge desu

>>64008791
Being yuUuge is a valid concern but I would say most people's argument against them is "the spread is unusable beyond 5 feet" which is incorrect with the proper load.

>>64003793 (OP)
I'd say it's good though for the vast majority of self defense scenarios. I carry a j frame more then anything else. I've had 38, 32 mag and 22lr.

The 38 had terrible recoil, I'll never go with this option again

22lr is amazing, 12.3 oz loaded, 8 shots, but I never felt great with its lethality, especially inside of a car. Trigger is pretty heavy, even for a j frame, but it will smooth out.

32 mag is the best of both worlds. You can use 32 long for less recoil, 6 shots and respectable penetration. Around 15oz loaded if you get the titanium cylinder model.

I will end up with a 22 wmr j frame, but I do think the 32 is going to e the best choice for most people.

>>64008781
>fucking huge guns
>.45 caliber bore is way oversized for .410 so you get nasty spread and lots of loss in velocity
>they try to make the rifling more shallow to try to help shot, but it doesn't really do enough

It's looking like shorties may be taken off the NFA entirely in not too distant a future, in which case maybe .410 revolvers could be allowed to be their proper smooth and actually .410 bore (with chokes even), in which case I think their velocity and patterning should improve quite a bit, but they're still pretty damn big for handguns.

>>64003878
This. EDC'ing a statement gun is the way to get a great story to tell friends about how the $3,000 gun you had to brandish on a crack-addict with a knife is now being regularly checked out your PD's evidence locker as a cop's range mistress. Carry the cheapest gun you can comfortably and reliably shoot.

>>64008446
He means it's not a Dan Wesson commemorative model with custom engraving and a gold-leafed pearl handle. How are you supposed to tell accurate time without a $20,000 watch or kill shaky crack addicts clutching a sharpened screwdriver without a $3,000 gun?

>>64008781
>Which begs the question; why does everyone hate on .410 bore handguns?

nah nah nah you go back to your shitty thread.

>>64009030
damn you ended up crashing out trying to make a joke

>>64003793 (OP)
Carrying nothing is adequate for 99% of people so yeah.

>>64008781
>>64009281
And stop using "begs the question" incorrectly while you're at it