Long-lived, cheap, durable, tons of regional styles.

Imagine suppressing a Jeet uprising in the late 19th century and picking toradors off their dead bodies, then realizing that these are the same damn guns your grandfathers working for the EIC had to put up with.

Once the pinnacle of infantry weapons.

luv me matches

>>64005510 (OP)
where do i get one that doesnt cost more than a nice semiauto rifle?

>>64005664
https://militaryheritage.com/muskets.htm
All of these have fully functional locks, but no touch-holes, so you'll need to drill it yourself.

god, blackpowder warfare is so fucking kino it's indescribable. i especially like the jap tanegashimas.

>>64005774
I keep wondering how much it would cost to make these, Pedersoli flintlock scale. It's a much simpler, cheaper lock. The barrels are octagon, so plenty of stock exists. Lots of parts could be cast brass/bronze. Matchcord could be cotton clothesline soaked in ammonia. There are plenty of weebs and blackpowder chads who would love to grab one. Also, plenty of originals were converted to percussion, so you could make that version, too.

>>64005510 (OP)
Underappreciated

>>64005774
Someone tell Demonstrated Concepts that he was about 500 years late to the "cheek pistol" idea.

>>64005664
You build it yourself. There's a huge community of people building muzzleloaders. Kits are available.
go check out The Rifle Shoppe and Track of the Wolf.

>>64005976
Real tanegashimas are quite inexpensive compared to most other antique guns.

>>64007985
How do I find and buy an authentic tanegashima

>>64008000
same way you find any old gun.
a) websites like gunbroker and gunsinternational. search for "tanegashima", "japanese arquebus" and "japanese matchlock"
b) gun dealers who specialize in older guns and collectibles like Collector's Firearms, Simpson Ltd, International Military Antiques (IMA), and so on
c) auctions. I've seen many at Rock Island Auction while looking for other things.

>>64005510 (OP)
Most people found them fucking annoying to use, which is why so many styles of flintlock were developed relatively quickly.
Also, one amusing drawback was that you couldn't use arquebusiers to defend your own gunpowder cache. You didn't want lit matches around the barrels.

>>64005976
Dixie Gun Works used to sell really nice repro ones made by Miroku. They got absolutely 0 interest and discontinued them after a few years.

>>64008229
they should have advertised to weebs

>>64008360
I wonder if they'd have better luck now, thanks to animoo's meteoric rise in the west.

>>64009299
yes.

>>64005614
Sexo.

What do people recommend to get into black powder rifles? It seems like a more leisurely and tactile way to go shooting.

>>64012130
Go and binge Everythingblackpowder on youtube.

>>64012130
you've got a few options. in no particular order:
a) Italian repros, like Pedersoli. These are generally historically accurate and are usually pretty nice. They make a wide variety of different models so the selection is excellent. Downside is the price isn't great. The repro revolvers are actually more economical than the rifles despite being mechanically more complex.
b) Indian repros, usually 99% finished except you have to drill the flash hole in the barrel. I.e. >>64005688
You're rolling the dice a bit on quality here but they're economical.
c) antiques. Prices range from very low to sky-high depending on model and condition. A lot of antique guns are in excellent shootable condition at a very reasonable price. However, the risk of buying antique black powder guns is hidden corrosion inside, some guns that look nice are in fact junkers because of old manufacturing defects or improper cleaning. Someone competent needs to examine old guns before firing. If that's not you then you would need to involve a gunsmith to inspect such a gun before you fire it.
d) new production muzzleloaders, like CVA. These are made for people who want to game black powder hunting season. They are reliable and cost-effective but probably not what you want if you're interested in historical guns.
e) kits, these exist in various kinds, some have most of the work done for you and all you're really doing is final finishing & assembly, the stock is already inletted, the lock parts finished & assembled, etc. Others are just bare castings for parts & a stock blank and you are doing all of the work yourself. These are generally economical, even kits for exotic builds, but of course you're doing a lot of the work.

>>64012130
Don't overlook black powder shotguns. They are fun as hell, especially since you can fire nearly anything out of them. Their loading tools are fun too, like the "shot snake".

>>64012130
The pinnacle of blackpowder enjoyment is pinfire, but it's relatively rare nowadays, and you need to make your own brass.

>>64012957
lolwhut, those are just cartridges but extra contrarian and with a much more limited selection of weapons. I respect if you like guns of that era, but I don't get what is different about the experience. It's not like a muzzleloader where you are manually doing all those extra loading steps.