Thread 64011018

Ukraine has proven that S-300 are really effective SAM systems?

This is posed as a question?

OP is a faggot?

ukraine wasn't doing any worse when they mostly just had soviet sam systems. the problem is they ran out of munitions for them.

>>64011018 (OP)
The S-300s (there like 3 different systems using the same name + suffix) are ok against aircrafts, the warhead is oversized to compensate for accuracy and the range can be really impressive, but that only matters if it isn't jammed or destroyed by a radar homing radar. Against small drones and some BM can be useless.

>>64011018 (OP)
>That many splashes.
Is that the radar/command truck?

>>64011018 (OP)
Nobody said that the S-300 variants are bad SAM systems; they're probably state-of-the-art. What's ridiculous is saying that they can be made to dispatch stealth jets with minor modifications (they cannot, as can't any other SAM on the market) or that they're particularly helpful against countries that can do SEAD, a list that doesn't include Russia or Ukraine.

Remember the Su-34 that survived a Patriot hit? The response to that revealed a certain measure of insecurity that vatniks have about the S-300. I don't blame them.

We already have IR guided passive BVR(Mica the french)missiles, and IRST that can track stealth planes at 80km+(Pirate).
If any government dared to spend money researching and improving said missiles and sensors we would be talking less about radar right now.

>>64011018 (OP)

>Ukraine has proven that S-300 can reliably shoot down only weak targets and non maneuvering drones and missiles ?

Who knew, oh you know, except everybody, for years and years

>>64011018 (OP)
yes, but it's useless if it has russian crews. sad!

Is it possible to upgrade the radar systems and sensors of older SAMs so that they can intercept targets just as well as the latest systems?

>>64011600
That's what S-400(S-300PMU-3) is. And no, without upgraded missiles the capabilities don't really improve unless your older radars were quite shit. Evidently this didn't help russia much so we can conclude the current design hasn't fixed any of the system's fundamental problems and still performs worse than what Ukrainians with their own S-300 can manage out out of them, with neither of those performing even remotely close to what their paper capabilities suggest.

>>64011224
>Nobody said that the S-300 variants are bad SAM systems

>>64011018 (OP)
>Ukraine has proven that S-300 are really effective SAM systems?
Ukraine has proven that Russia cannot even use effectively their own gear.

>>64011726
they've shot down atacms, storm shadows, fighters, harms, and gmlrs with their sams.

being blind to their successes is a dumb move.

>>64011955
Couple a50s too

>>64011666
OK SAMs, terrible Wunderwaffen

>>64011955
>they've shot down atacms, storm shadows
more like intercepted with their launchers, lmao

>>64011955
May we see them?

>>64011224
>Nobody said that the S-300 variants are bad SAM systems
Bar the variant that came out in late 90's, they were outperformed by Bong's Bloodhounds from the 60's and 70's. Or whenever MkII came out and was retired before the variant that had a (very slight) range advantage over the Bloodhound. They're not particularly good, but they're not meant to be GOOD they're meant to be adequate with saturation of deployment being the advantage.

>>64011967
Kek

>>64011235
>firing highly advanced SAMs blindy into the air with the fervent hope of randomly acquiring something that will be in the kill envelope for less than five minutes and has already launched munitions against the SAM site outside its engagment range
I like the way you think.

>>64011955
And a beach. And a civilian airliner. And more than one friendly Sukhoi.

>>64011018 (OP)
You are missing why the S series is currently no good. The lack of integrated data link is what fucks S series launchers. The missiles/radar are decent, but the lack of a data link and US stealth means that the launchers more or less just impotently wait in hopes of catching a Ukie air asset and nailing them. The Ukies shift theirs a lot and make use of Intel for better intercepts, I also know in their Frankensam they managed some form of data link which their network which helped them score some more high profile kills

In DCS these things (SA-10) are scary as fuck. They can even hit incoming HARMs that are targeting them.

>>64011028
You can tell OP is a poojeet, for some reason they are unable to form a grammatically correct question sentence in English

>>64011018 (OP)
I have a hard time believing one unit hit all those planes. Obviously that is not an S300 unit. Did Ukraine even have that many S series missiles at the start of the conflict?

>>64011224
>Russia uses S-400 (upgraded S-300)
>dogshit communist garbage cannot detect or hit anything, drone fodder
>Ukraine uses S-300 (worse S-400)
>state-of-the-art SAM system, wunderwaffe capable of destroying everything Russia throws at it, invincible protector of Ukrainian airspace
Uhuh

>>64016060
>six Frogfoot, one Flanker, bunch of helos
Russia lost hundreds of planes, it's not really too surprising to see that number of kill marks.

>>64016107
>Russian S-400 has the electronics solld by Colonel Corruptov and crewed by Sgt Dedovchik who is busy raping Pvt Konskriptovich
>Ukrainnian S-300 is actually maintained and operateed competently
It is a mystery how one performs better than the other, better blame the judeo-nazi-HATO fascist banderites.

>>64011018 (OP)
S-300 is decent against Soviet vehicles. The old soviet dog strategy worked flawlessly once again

>>64011018 (OP)
>Ukraine has proven that S-300 are really effective SAM systems?
Has Ukraine proven that the S-300 is a really effective SAM system?

You fucking jeet.

>>64016134
>>64016108
>Soviet vehicles
Pic related, average roosky RWR.

>>64016116
Daily reminder that the russians consider ukies their retard cousins, yet get utterly btfo by them on a daily basis.

S-300 radar and command console are too old. I'm guessing Ukraine had the advantage by integrating them with different detection and command systems in a way that would not be allowed in the frigid Russian or other shithole organization structures.

>>64012069
>We re going to acquire a sam site using Mhhh radar even though it doesnt shout out radar to see us
>Meanwhile im using A massive jet engines to move
Stealth sams are the future.

>>64017013
>didn't ask

>>64012426
Dcs really sucks at anything other than an outlet for plane autists. If you enjoy managing systems and reading manuals dcs is great but as an actual simulation? It's awful. Warthunder of all games actually does some flight models better. The radars and missiles in general are awfully modelled.

>>64011078
You need glasses, anon.

>>64016107
That perfectly exemplifies how a small poorfag country can keep resisting its much bigger retarded cousin.

When your military is built upon the principles of corruption and dedovshchina, your equipment might not be operating and operated at optimal on-paper specs.

>>64011018 (OP)
Ukraine/Poland has proven the S-200 can be useful

>>64017656
Even Buk can be useful in the right hands
(Yes, even for purposes other than shooting down civilian airliners)

>>64011647
Whatever happened to the supposed S-500 Russia used to whisper about ~a decade ago or so? Is it just another T-14 or SU-57?

>>64017936
S-500 will be deployed alongside Armata when real army gets into fight (ETA: Tuesday after next).

>>64017936
The S-500 is their equivalent of the THAAD, not something for this war.

>>64011018 (OP)
Russian SAMs are quite good at destroying Russian aircraft, this was known

>>64016107
We all know which soviet republic is the smartest one.