Was the Iowa class really just a battle cruiser all along? - /k/ (#64011256) [Archived: 374 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:06:46 AM No.64011256
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I aint the one who said it but I see nothing wrong with the statement.
Battleships were too fat and slow.
Fast Battleships were just battlecruisers.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:12:03 AM No.64011268
>>64011256 (OP)
>Fast Battleships were just battlecruisers.

Fast battleships were not designed to be less heavily armoured than the contemporary battleship for obvious reasons, they also weren't designed for fleet scouting asnd hunting cruisers so they're not battlecruisers. Fast battleships are just normal battleships with better engines.

USS Alaska is also not a battlecruiser for different reasons.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:15:39 AM No.64011280
>>64011268
all or nothing armor sounds like less armor to me.
they needed it to be faster so they gave it less armor aside from critical areas.
battle cruisers were meant to outrun any ship with similar armament...
like a "fast battleship"
this was a ship that could keep a fleet moving faster despite its big size.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:15:40 AM No.64011281
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>>64011256 (OP)
Aircraft carriers are more battlecruisers than a fast battleship is a battlecruiser.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:16:40 AM No.64011282
>>64011281
nah, aircraft carriers are force projection personified.
you need an entire fleet to protect them but they allow the projection of air superiority and all that comes with it.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:22:27 AM No.64011300
>>64011280
You don't know what 'all or nothing' means, the same mass of steel was concentrated in vital areas to ensure battleship grade shells would be stopped, armouring everything means your armour only stops light guns.

Fast battleships are not designed to outrun the enemy, they're the primary fleet combat unit and improved technology lets them be faster than WWI battleships without major design compromises. A battlecreuiser reduces armour and sometimes firepower for speed, fast battleships don't.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:24:08 AM No.64011306
>>64011300
>A battlecruiser reduces armour and sometimes firepower for speed
like a fast battleship DOES.
it has less armor proportionate to its size.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:31:50 AM No.64011316
>>64011306
>it has less armor proportionate to its size.

Not true, the armour is roughly the same thickness in the same places as on the South Dakota class, the Iowa just has a longer hull.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:32:37 AM No.64011320
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>>64011306
They didn't reduce any armor for speed. The hull is elongated to improve hydrodynamics and fit a fuckhueg powerplant. It's the same armor as a South Dakota.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:33:29 AM No.64011325
>>64011316
>>64011320
>longer hull
so...... its bigger?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:40:04 AM No.64011331
>>64011325
And not any less-armored.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:41:17 AM No.64011332
>>64011268
Iowas are Sodaks with the same armor stretched over a larger hull for more speed while having even better guns. They are battlecruisers.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:42:18 AM No.64011333
>>64011331
It's the same armor stretched over a larger hull, there are more unarmored and thinly armored parts of an Iowa compared to a SoDak.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:49:51 AM No.64011345
>>64011256 (OP)
It's a light battleship
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:57:01 AM No.64011354
>>64011345
Its 4000 tons heavier.

>>64011332
No, the belt, turrets and bulkheads all have the same amount of armour. A batlecruiser definitionally has to give up armour for speed and be designed for scouting/cruiser hunting. The Iowa is a main battle line unit.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:57:33 AM No.64011355
>>64011268
USS Alaska is literally classified as a cruiser and has basically no armor
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:00:10 AM No.64011357
>>64011355
People do argue that its a battlecruiser.

Iowa is classified as BB and that's not stopping this guy.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:01:00 AM No.64011358
>>64011354
so the ship got bigger, but couldn't get more armor to go with getting bigger.
so it gave up armor.
hmmmmm
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:12:02 AM No.64011370
no, fast battleship

the mistake is when people think hood was a battlecruiser; hood was a fast battleship
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:16:47 AM No.64011377
>>64011370
Just compare Iowa to the planned stats for the only actual US battlecruiser class, Lexington was going to be practically the same size but had less than half the armour thickness and was 5000 tons lighter.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:23:57 AM No.64011388
>>64011358
It didn’t give up armor. The outer STS plating on the Iowas is 0.25” thicker than the South Dakotas, while Missouri and Wisconsin also have the forward transverse bulkhead at 14.5” vs 11.3” for all SoDaks and the first pair of Iowas. Kentucky and Illinois would’ve had the same had they been completed, plus some changes to the torpedo defenses’ construction thought to make it more reliable.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:24:13 AM No.64011389
>>64011256 (OP)
>Fast Battleships were just battlecruisers
Gfy

>>64011268
Fpbp

>>64011355
Doesn't stop idiots from wanting to call it a battlecruiser
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:29:27 AM No.64011401
Fast battleships were the MBTs of warships, same weaponry and armor as dreadnoughts, but same speed as battlecruisers.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:31:20 AM No.64011404
>>64011388
first you guys say it had the same, now you say it didnt
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:35:40 AM No.64011410
>>64011358
I think >>64011354 means the same *thickness* of armor. As far as the armor growing or not growing with the ship, the armor belt’s area was increased in proportion to the “stretch” of the Iowa from the SoDak design. Also, the design of the Iowa was externally constrained by the need to fit through the Panama Canal.

As far as protection goes, Iowa was designed to be protected against the 16”/45 gun, which is almost equivalent protection against its own /50 armament. Equivalent protection, as in, being proof against your own or near-equivalent gun, is a near-universal BATTLESHIP feature that literally every battlecruiser lacks. Kongos were not proof against 14”. Hood wasn’t proof against 15”. Older BCs like Lion is the same.

Anon also noted doctrinal differentiation between BBs and BCs as far as a navy’s intended use that informed the design choices as well.

Iowa is a fast battleship because it was built to fulfill traditional battleship functions and adheres to battleship design elements. They had to add the word *fast* in front of it because thanks to advances in technology and the US exceeding the old London Naval Treaty via the escalator clause. Before Iowa, BBs were around 22-27kt during the interwar period due to multiple factors like the construction freeze, technologic limitations and artificial cap on displacement thanks to the Washington/London Naval Treaties.

Technology might change the performance parameter, but it is the intent that informs classification. A WWI Sopwith Camel flying at 120mph is just as valid as a fighter as an F-22 flying at Mach 2, because the Camel was designed as one. In a similar vein, Iowas are battleships despite being much faster than the old designs because of the intended use informing its design.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:35:48 AM No.64011411
The fast battleship is literally just a battleship that happens to be fast

Battlecruisers gave up protection to gain speed
Battleships gave up speed to gain protection
Fast battleships could have speed and armour because technological advances meant they DIDN'T NEED TO COMPROMISE
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:36:40 AM No.64011414
>>64011404
There’s no “you guys” here, it was my first post. Iowas had improved protection over SoDaks. Yes most of the weight went to more speed and firepower but it didn’t give up protection to do so and even improved it in some areas.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:37:24 AM No.64011419
>>64011414
sure there is.
there is me, and then there is you guys.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:30:17 AM No.64011477
>>64011256 (OP)
Should we just redefine terms so we got Fatships vs Fastships?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:10:18 PM No.64011546
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Didn't the narrow hull and internal armor belts cause stability problems?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:11:38 PM No.64011548
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Did someone say fatship?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:24:49 PM No.64011565
>>64011256 (OP)
Iowas are battleships and Alaskas are large cruisers. 80 years of arguing will never change that fact. Simple as.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:56:31 PM No.64011616
>>64011256 (OP)
what's the original thread
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:03:51 PM No.64011629
>>64011256 (OP)
It's a battleship. Why? Because our fathers, their fathers, and the unfortunate souls to end up downrange of an Iowa called them battleships. At this point Missouri is the most iconic battleship in US history, debatably global history. It's synonymous with the term battleship, so even if it doesn't meet the criteria it's warped the definition around itself
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 1:07:06 PM No.64011636
>>64011616
random v thread, someone said something and the post I clipped happened.
thought it would be fun to make the thread despite not being the guy he responded to.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:12:27 PM No.64011755
>>64011333
>It's the same armor stretched over a larger hull
It literally isn't. The armor isn't stretched at all.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:23:33 PM No.64011778
Fast battleship is by definition a battlecruiser. If it was a battleship you would just call it so. There is a great stigma around battlecruisers because of their poor performance in WWI, so when the US military wanted a faster battleship with less armor they had to call it a fast battleship rather than what it was, a battlecruiser.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:26:11 PM No.64011786
>>64011755
So if I have a 36,000 ton vessel and a 48,000 ton vessel, and they have the same armor thickness, why do you think they don't have the same proportional armor? That 33% heavier draft ship doesn't need 33% more armor?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:28:45 PM No.64011791
>>64011778
No
A battlecruiser has either significantly* weaker guns or weaker armour in comparison to its contemporaries

*SIGNIFICANTLY means that it won't cut the mustard to do as some anons have done here and claim that all-or-nothing armour denotes a battlecruiser. All-or-nothing doesn't reduce the functional survivability of a battleship, in fact it enhances it, which is why the scheme was invented and adopted.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:31:47 PM No.64011799
>>64011786
If you have a ship where you, for example, clad the funnels in a 15" of armour plate thus making it 20% heavier than other battleships while your belt and citadel remains the same, and you claim that this makes it a battleship and other ships are inferior battlecruisere, then yes you are wrong, because nobody gives a shit about funnels and your citadel dies as easily as everyone else's

Trying to hack the letter of the law without actually obeying the spirit of the law will not work
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:35:14 PM No.64011809
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What about Yamato? Was she a (super) dreadnought or a fast battleship?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:35:20 PM No.64011811
>>64011778
no
fast battleships didn't give up armor like a battlecruiser. they were just called "fast" due to technological advancements that allowed them to move faster. yamato was a fast battleship.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:37:07 PM No.64011816
>>64011809
fast battleship
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:42:35 PM No.64011824
>>64011809
She was pure sex.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:43:24 PM No.64011827
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>>64011809
>Reminder that Yamato downed more planes by having her magazine explode then with AAA fire.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:46:05 PM No.64011834
>>64011809
A fat fast battleship
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:49:44 PM No.64011842
>>64011827
Ngl I wish she instead survived and got claimed as war booty and the USS America got reactivate in the 80s
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:57:49 PM No.64011850
>>64011842
the japs would have made some crazy anime in the 90s about that shit for sure
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 2:57:59 PM No.64011851
So if fast battleships are just normal battleships that are fast, then what would a traditional slow, but even more well armed and armored battleship in WW2 look like?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:00:26 PM No.64011856
>>64011851
probably something like a Yamato with a less streamlined hull and the saved tonnage spent on more armor or (even) bigger guns
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:07:18 PM No.64011864
>>64011256 (OP)
This is really a debate over what a Battlecruiser is. For the Germans, it was a midpoint between Heavy Cruiser and Battleship and ships like the the SMS Derfflinger actually did pretty well, sinking the HMS Queen Mary and HMS Invincible.

On the flip side, those two ships were British Battlecruisers with the guns of a Battleship and the Armor of a Cruiser. In theory, they could crush anything lighter than them or run from anything heavier than them but in the one battle they faced equal weight they crumbled.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:17:39 PM No.64011882
>>64011851
>what would a traditional slow, but even more well armed and armored battleship in WW2 look like?
A Super KGV probably

Say 18" of armour, 18" guns, and only 25 knot speed
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:19:34 PM No.64011889
>>64011864
German battlecruisers always had thicker armour and slightly less range and slightly smaller guns than their counterparts
The problem is that which is their counterparts is debatable, because some ships were built in response to others
Hence when the British saw what the Germans were doing they immediately began up-armouring their battlecruisers, which blurs the line
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:48:49 PM No.64011946
>>64011842
Only thing a captured Yamato would get is a ringside seat at Operation Crossroads.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 3:59:35 PM No.64011959
>>64011546
Slight, in heavy seas. The Iowas were design optimized for the Pacific, which is well known to be a much less rough sea on average than the heartless bitch known as the North Atlantic.

>>64011851
The planned-but-cancelled Montana-class answers your question.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:20:11 PM No.64012002
>>64011889
>>64011864

The crux of this debate is that every country and specific time had moving definitions of what a BB or BC was.

The Iowas in particular were needed for carrier group actions, where speed really mattered, they also had to be able to transit the Panama canal. compared to the germans, who in ww1 just wanted north sea dominance, or the brits who needed global presence need faster ships and way less armor
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:26:46 PM No.64012015
Simply lengthening the hull is advantageous for speed, so as battleships got larger it should have become easier to increase their speed.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 4:43:23 PM No.64012047
>>64011809
>What about Yamato? Was she a (super) dreadnought or a fast battleship?

27 knots
650 mm turret front armor
40 cm belt

Its a dreadnought

Iowa
35-36 knots
40 cm turret front
30 cm belt

its a battlecruiser

Armor values may be off since they are from memory.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:43:49 PM No.64013097
>>64012047
Japan's poor decision making has no real bearing on the fact that the Iowas are Battleships.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:19:27 PM No.64013843
>>64011370
Hood was an ugly ship and I am tired of people pretending that she wasn't.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:22:35 PM No.64013852
>>64011256 (OP)
A battle cruiser splits the difference in armor and weaponry between a cruiser and a battleship

So, what battleship had weapons and armor so much better than the Iowa's that it could be called splitting the difference between that and a cruiser?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:23:34 PM No.64013855
Iowas are more heavy cruisers when it came to their usage, you can't call them battleships or battlecruisers as they never were in a real battle.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:34:36 PM No.64013890
>>64013855
>The designation of a ship depends on whether or not circumstances coalesced so that they actually got to engage another BB
So an M1A, PTR or DSA is not a battle rifle because it doesnt fire a shot in anger in service?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:15:12 AM No.64014013
>>64011256 (OP)
If the Iowa isn't a battleship neither was the Bismarck, which was more lightly armed.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:21:59 AM No.64014026
Iowas are basically very large destroyers with armor.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:22:32 AM No.64014030
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>>64013843
take that back
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:29:48 AM No.64014052
HMS Hood at Tangier, Morocco, 1930s
HMS Hood at Tangier, Morocco, 1930s
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>>64013843
You're wrong but that's your prerogative
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:39:03 AM No.64014080
>>64011404
Shut it, troll.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:45:04 AM No.64014100
>>64012047
Because Yamato is protected from 18" shells, not 16".
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:47:58 AM No.64014113
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>>64011256 (OP)
How come no one talks about when the Brits got BTFO in the early Pacific?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:14:25 AM No.64014211
>>64014100
Yamato’s turret armor configuration was tested against American 16/50s and penetrated. She was not efficiently built or designed compared to the SoDaks or Iowas.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:17:39 AM No.64014217
No no no, the Iowa-class is the first Main Battle Cruiser
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:17:46 AM No.64014218
>it's another "burger spergout about retarded terminology autism that nobody else cares about" episode
Getting really tired my man
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:24:55 AM No.64014235
>>64014218
no, some random on /v/ sperged out and demanded a thread be made on /k/.
so here we are.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:29:37 AM No.64014253
>>64013843
kys you demonic rat bastard, a person with opinions like yours must be an agent of the Demiurge.
>>64014218
>muh burgers
The Iowas were designed and built by the US and used by the US Navy and they have a greater level of technical, historical, and cultural significance than any vessel your country has built unless you're from the UK, to which the discussion is also pertinent to British naval and shipbuilding history.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:31:46 AM No.64014263
>>64014211
Under unrealistic conditions that didn't reflect the reality of an actual engagement. Under realistic conditions, there was not a single naval gun ever built that would have got through the front of that turret.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:32:58 AM No.64014269
>>64014253
>The Iowas were designed and built by the US
Yes, and? Way to miss the point, you illiterate faggot.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:39:36 AM No.64014289
>>64014269
And you didn't read the rest of the post you fucking retard. People clearly care about the discussion for legitimate reasons.
Never post again and kill yourself immediately.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:44:06 AM No.64014303
>>64014289
>And you didn't read the rest of the post
But I did, and it was all "hurr muhh burgershit is better than your turdworldshit durr", which, as already mentioned, completely misses the point, you absolute fucking illiterate double nigger
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:50:18 AM No.64014327
>smol
destroyer
>big
battleship
>flat
carrier
>underwater
submarine, or either of the above if sunk
it's that easy
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:53:08 AM No.64014333
>>64014303
>But I did, and it was all "hurr muhh burgershit is better than your turdworldshit durr", which, as already mentioned, completely misses the point
>Explaining why naval terminology is something people other than yourself care about misses the point
Once again, kill yourself you disgusting faggot.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:18:09 AM No.64014578
>>64014100
wasn't that 0 degrees at point blank?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:25:27 AM No.64014608
>>64014578
meant for >>64014211
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:16:17 AM No.64015195
>>64012047
yamato is just the next step with fast battleships; bigger guns and more armor to overmatch opfor. since it could still pul 27+ knots, that's in the ballpark of "fast".

a dreadnought is something completely revolutionary, and yamato wasn't that.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:20:21 AM No.64015202
>>64012047
Your own numbers contradict yourself.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:22:06 AM No.64015209
>>64014030
>>64014052
>>64014253
It is blocky in all the wrong ways and 2 gun turrets are trash.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:29:50 AM No.64015226
>>64015209
Hull is great, but rear has too little freeboard, stacks are too large and not aero, turrets are too round, midship is too elongated, bridge is too small.
You can tell she was changed mid construction. She is haphazard and I am not ashamed to admit it.
And she died like a bitch.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:59:29 AM No.64015443
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>>64011809
Awfully tiny ship. Didn't know the Japs were that small.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:08:40 AM No.64015458
>>64011842
It would have been nuked in Operation Crossroads.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:28:24 AM No.64015543
>>64015443
>>64011809
What would be the combat capabilities of a 1/10 scale Yamato?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:35:00 AM No.64015545
>>64015543
It would only contribute 1/10th as much to japans victory
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:43:48 AM No.64015562
>>64013843
i think the majority of the new battleships were ugly, desu.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:24:37 PM No.64016049
Howe Belfast Dido
Howe Belfast Dido
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>>64015562
>he doesn't appreciate thicc citadels
You and I, we cannot be anything more than nodding acquaintances, ever
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:38:39 PM No.64016090
>>64016049
i find heavy cruisers to be quite good looking from the later all gun period.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:39:18 PM No.64016092
>>64011842
Yamato was heading towards Okinawa to beach herself, there was no way
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:02:43 PM No.64016145
>>64011842
It worked out fine, she's a space battleship now with what may a well be the actual Japanese national anthem as her theme.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:52:31 PM No.64016256
>>64011320
>>64016049
Seeing images like what's in this thread hurts me. When I was little, I wanted to join the Navy specifically to bombard coastlines from a battleship...

Yet my dreams were taken from me the curse of modernity.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:39:03 PM No.64016587
>>64014578
It was at close range, but not point blank. But considering that the thick armor was the turret face and not the turret roof, you basically have to be at under 5 km to hit that surface.

Which is one of the reasons it’s dumb to use that armor scheme.
Replies: >>64016610
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:46:01 PM No.64016610
>>64016587
>taffy 3 charges you
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:47:00 PM No.64018231
>>64011256 (OP)
>more arbitrary categorization autism
Who fucking cares
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:08:19 AM No.64018338
>>64011268
>Fast battleships
It's a quirk of the development of gun-type ships being terminated at roughly that moment in time. There's nothing to compare fast battleships against other than the previous generation of ships. If someone had then designed a heavier ship, using the better engines to keep the speed the same as contemporary battleships but with heavier armor and guns, then the so-called fast battleships would had been the new generation's cruisers, and this theoretical new battleship would had been the new generation's battleships. But we never developed further along that line of technology, so fast battleships remain as an oddity, the sole ship of their technological generation, an only child with no other technological peer to compare themselves against.