>You still need mobiks for CQB
Lol no, FPVs are just better.

>Airplanes
Droned

>Manpads
No need for that, drones have a longer range and are cheaper

>You still need armor
The armor in question:

>Missiles
Waste of money

>Counter battery

>ATGMs
Can they do this?

And how does this help us win on the operational and strategic level of warfare?
Oh, you don't know what those are?
You're a mouthbreathing shitskin who can't understand things exist outside of your immediate perception?
You've built an understanding of warfare off of video footage instead of any kind of actual expertise, training or experience?
Wow.

>Sam suppresion

>Operational, strategic
You just drone the enemy generals and infastructure.

>>64013737
>how does killing the enemy help you win

>>64013755
>>64013798
*gets stuck in a decade long attritional war with no victory or objectives achieved in sight*
Behold, the brilliance of the third worlder.

>>64013809
>The Chinese-American war enters its 4th decade
>American FPV factories produce 2,000,000,000 FPVs a day, which are used to hunt and destroy Chinese FPVs
>China claims to produce 2,000,000,001 FPVs a day, promises "victory near the end of the century"
>The US has suffered huge losses in the Middle East, because the AI used to control the drone swarms declared itself to be "Mecha Hitler" and redirected between 271,000 and 6,000,000 FPV drones into Tel Aviv
>The 10 biggest data centers in the world have blown up because the sheer amount of propaganda FPV footage exceeded the avivailable storage space by multiple Petabytes

>>64013662 (OP)
>Lol no, FPVs are just better
The whole thing with drones, all the hype, can be attributed to confirmation bias.

>>64013705
That's a nuke used on the armor. See the orange mushroom cloud? That's a nuke.

>>64013662 (OP)
You forgot that drones is being used to kill other drones waiting on roads for ambush

>>64013900
Recently it's been said drones account for 85% of Russian casualties (or if it was for armor, artillery, and other vehicles).

>>64013884
>American FPV factories produce 2,000,000,000 FPVs a day
hahahaha

At some point they'll have tiny sponge wheels to explore trenches without using so much power.

>>64013686
I know most of those were operating in an autonomous mode. But they almost all went for the wings and fuselage. If the goal was to disable as many as possible for as long as possible, I figured the engine would be the optimal target.

>>64013737
Quick with the sarcasm and insults but offers no answer to his own questions. <sigh>
17 year olds think they know everything.

>>64014806
Go back to Red dit, you fucking nigger.

>>64013662 (OP)
>low battery
>land now
OK
>* boom *

>>64013691
>oh, hai

>>64013705
I-I-Is this the turret toss champ?

>>64014806
Yep, 17 yearold drone obsessed homos think they know everything

>>64014011
Yep, aka confirmation bias
I’m not spoonfeeding you, think about it for a few seconds, maybe you can figure it out.

>>64013680
Is that a fucking USV with AA strapped on? Unironically impressive

>>64013884
Nigga, you are a true optimist or underage.
In two decades tops the US will either be balkanized due to Civil War 2™ or just another American Brown socialist mutt shithole(think Brazil, Argentina etc).

>>64013884
>Asmongold is still the largest streamer and comments on JSDF Soldiers(Genetically engineered catgirls) using nippon katana drones to mulch browoids and chinks.
>One lone UMSC grunt conquers Macau by winning 50 games of snakes and ladders in a row.
>Austria starts WW3, as a homeless transgender painter shoots a Panda in Vienna. Things escalate from here.

>>64015558
>In several decades, the irish and itslians will outnumber everyone. The US is finished.

>>64015537
>Is that a fucking USV with AA strapped on?
Yes

>>64013662 (OP)
>CQB
Fiber optic sounds like a worse choice for trench/building clearing than wireless.
>USV with MANPADS
Not every country is retarded as Russia is to fly fighter jets within MANPADS range.
>Airfield attack
Legit impressive attack but it could have been prevented if Russia exercised the slightest bit of caution and set up a real security perimeter a several km radius around the base. Also took months to plan and prep.
>myanmar helicopter attack
drones do not have the speed or flight ceiling to attack most aircraft in a combat situation.
>BMP
Vehicle without APS, radar, (visible, could be wrong) jamming equipment, and RWS, acting unsupported. Armor will stay relevant as some modicum of protection for meatbags and as a platform for anti-drone equipment. The real redpill is that UGVs will replace manned AFVs in many if not most roles.
>missiles are a waste of money
>literally posts a guided cruise missile
giving it a different name doesn't change what it is.
>counter battery
useful but real artillery gives you a faster time on target unless a drone unit happens to be nearby.
>ATGMs
Same as artillery.
>SAM suppression
Would not have been possible if Russian SHORAD systems like Pantsir worked (they don't)
Aside from them not working, I bet there's Russians cursing themselves for losing so many in the early part of the war.
>You just drone the enemy generals and infastructure
Legitimately the greatest use case for FPVs and other light drones. Still, depending on the operational conditions such an attack could easily be less preferable than a traditional ballistic missile/cruise missile/aircraft strike or just not possible at all for any number of reasons.
>>64015558
>In two decades tops the US will either be balkanized due to Civil War 2™ or just another American Brown socialist mutt shithole(think Brazil, Argentina etc).
With China's demographic crisis I'd bet on the US' chances of averting that future or at least outlasting China.

>>64015655
>Vehicle without APS, radar, (visible, could be wrong) jamming equipment, and RWS
so like 99% of all AFVs currently in service?
>acting unsupported
even if there was a whole platoon with him the outcome would have been the same. what are the other AFVs and infantry going to do? wave their hands?

>>64015703
>so like 99% of all AFVs currently in service?
hey, never said the balance would tilt immediately.
>even if there was a whole platoon with him the outcome would have been the same. what are the other AFVs and infantry going to do? wave their hands?
shoot the drone, or at least try. Maybe they could have tried some evasive maneuvers if they got advance warning but that probably wouldn't work against a drone.

>>64015561
>Austria starts WW3
Going for a hat trick are we?

>>64015655
>Not every country is retarded as Russia is to fly fighter jets within MANPADS range.
That's the point retard. MANPADS could be anywhere. Even right beside the base. I'm positive we'll see ukies send a few guys with MANPADS to russian airbases to fuck up the planes during their take off.

>>64015751
"all good things come in threes"

>>64015782
>That's the point retard. MANPADS could be anywhere. Even right beside the base
Same as drones shit for brains, I'm surprised you even know how to breathe. That doesn't guarantee that an attacker has the ability to enter those ranges, especially if the planes are coming out of an airbase hundreds of km behind the frontline with reasonable security. It doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that a short range USV with a short range weapon can't do shit to a fighter jet dropping a guided bomb/missile from high altitude, and that you shouldn't do fucking gun runs on them.

>>64015881
>especially if the planes are coming out of an airbase hundreds of km behind the frontline
russian airbases were thousand km behind the frontline, it didn't save them

>drones
Lol

>>64015887
And we haven't seen MANPADS attacks on distant bases. Even the drone attack took many months of planning, was executed on an infamously inept opponent, and still required that valuable intelligence infrastructure they built for the attack be exposed and sacrificed to be carried out (not that it wasn't well worth the cost, but still an opportunity cost). You also don't see USVs driving over land to attack distant airbases. This is not a be-all and end-all counter to fixed wing aviation.

>>64015655
>>In two decades tops the US will either be balkanized due to Civil War 2™ or just another American Brown socialist mutt shithole(think Brazil, Argentina etc).
>With China's demographic crisis I'd bet on the US' chances of averting that future or at least outlasting China.


You completely missed the content of his post. If China has a demographic problem, America has a demographic disaster, which is what the post you were replying to alludes to. China is the one betting on outlasting America, which is why they wont do anything more than produce noise.

>>64015782
>That's the point retard. MANPADS could be anywhere. Even right beside the base. I'm positive we'll see ukies send a few guys with MANPADS to russian airbases to fuck up the planes during their take off.

Manpads are light enough to be carried by a large drone.

>>64015918
>You completely missed the content of his post. If China has a demographic problem, America has a demographic disaster, which is what the post you were replying to alludes to.
I certainly don't doubt that that is a strong possibility, I just think that the crises in the US still aren't totally irreversible (not a guarantee though) while China's aging population + decades long absence of births is something that can only be fixed by time.
In the short term (when a war would most likely kick off), the state of US industrial capacity seems like a much bigger concern.

>>64015918
>If China has a demographic problem, America has a demographic disaster
it doesnt.

>>64016195
>>64015918
>>64016195
>>If China has a demographic problem, America has a demographic disaster
>it doesnt.
continued

>>64013884
>American factories
lol lmao

>>64013662 (OP)
>drone-proof your dugout with this one simple trick!

>>64013884
the funniest thing is that china is supplying most drones to both ukraine and russia

>>64014354
The radar is the important thing on an AWACS

>>64016280
Also the least replaceable thing for russia. Even if the rest of the plane is somehow untouched and flies, the radome being fucked means its just a fancy office space.

>>64014354
The radar can be over half the total cost of an AWACS aircraft, not to mention that it's probably lost Soviet vacuum tube technology.

>>64016262
Chinks stopped selling Ukraine drones recently

>>64016302
like two years ago

>>64016195
>including browns
Do Whites and Asians only instead of padding the numbers with low IQ groups and America is in a similar situation.

>>64013733
No, but my drones level the whole building from an unseen altitude.

>>64015703
>what are the other AFVs and infantry going to do? wave their hands?
Try shooting it with the machine gun in the remote weapons station that has gyro-stabilization, FLIR, a laser rangefinder, and its own dedicated fire control system which is already standard on Abrams, Strykers, and many IMVs too?
(Fyi, how long do you guys think it will be before they link the CROWS with Trophy systems' 360-degree radar so the .50-cal can track and engage drones automatically?)

>>64015703
Also, vehicle-mounted radio jammers have been pretty damn common for over 15 years now. Existing ones are geared towards IEDs but it's not like the concept couldn't be optimized to counter drones instead.

>>64016321
and this would prove what? that the united states has a demographic crisis and china doesnt?

>>64016323
And the tanks are intact.

>>64016325
The easy peasy solution is flying low to the ground, killing your mobility and then more fpvs.
Also they have been ambushing from the side of the road too.

>>64013662 (OP)
What's ironic is that drone themselves are less obnoxious than you droneniggers.

CHARGE YOUR FUCKING DRONES, GOD DAMNIT
IF I SEE A "LOW BATTERY" MESSAGE BLINKING ONE MORE TIME...

>>64016538
Nigga they are one use. Nobody is going back to recharge those.

>>64016553
It's sloppy, is what I'm saying. Imagine getting killed by a drone and it wasn't charged properly, that would be awkward.

>>64016325
bruh the crows is built for engaging people not little pizza box sized helicopters

>>64016538
anon i dont think you appreciate just how quickly drone batteries drain. the avata 2 on sport mode has a battery life of like 15 minutes

When war is that helicopter mission from Vice City.

>>64016356
Those were used to jam DJIs in Syria and Iraq.

>>64016574
It's being updated: https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/products/bullfrog-m240
Modern RWS reliably hit FPVs which are maneuvering at up to 5G's.

>>64016611
That mission was fucking BUGGED.

>Relying on Chinese drones for your national security

>>64016633
If you're fighting for your survival it doesn't matter.

>>64016195
no need to respond to bigots >>64016321

>>64016395
That when looking at the productive members of society America is in a much worse shape than china.

>>64017402
Ok poltard

>>64017407
>yeah just import browns to make the line go up and we'll pwn china :)

>>64017402
US has much lower unemployment rates.

>>64017426
ok poltard lol

>>64016574
But it's still a machine gun, and a fairly capable one at that. The odds of downing an FPV drone might not be great, but they're not zero either, and that's a far cry from "wave their hands".

>>64016206
Eh? Why does it continue to go down so much? I would figure they hit a plateue eventually.

>>64013705
Was that a tactical nuke?

>>64015423
Those who collect the data has a vested interest that it is accurate.
>spoonfeeding
Fuck off nigger, I never asked you to provide anything.

>>64016195
>>64016206
>he's retarded enough to believe government demographics
All of you have been psyopped kek

>>64013798
It doesn't. Check out Vietnam and Afghanistan

>>64017737
projected estimates at current rate of fertility, wouldnt read too much into it past like 25 years

>>64018942
Anonymous from Austria said that? fuck.

>compartmentalize trenches with thick netting
>drones can no longer enter your trench

>>64016625
>>64016625
Bullfrog isn't CROWS.
And ACS in their public presentation specifically mentioned that existing RWS lack necessary dynamic pointing accuracy.
You can build anti drone RWS, but it needs to be properly built for this task like Bullfrog .

>>64016195
Now subtract non whites.
In reality it impeding democraphic catastrophe fir US when every white person would needs to carry 2-3 useless eaters.
In China they don't have 2/3 of growing population been dead weight.

>>64021387

>>64013662 (OP)
man just wait until these things are entirely automated. You set up a little palette with 96 of the things, and let it go automatically clear out a trench network. Fucking nightmare

Aircraft carrier? We have a drone for that

>>64016285
>fancy office space
I want to have office space inside an AWACS fuselage :(

>>64017777
No, that was a tactical ook.
Also, nice digits you got there.

>>64021708
>automatically clear out a trench network
While the other side fires off their 96 autonomous drone hunting drones.

>>64016565
Bro they are not sending them out low on batteries lmao...

>>64021667
most bizarre bugcope ive seen all week lmao.

>>64021380
Trend will likely get worse because all the fundamental causes for it are just getting worse. U.S. also doesn't have the sustainment piece to enter into total war and has been actively, even desperately, trying to use allies to cover the shortfalls.

Either way, going into WW3 is the last thing we want, even if that means trading the Pacific to the Chinese, whatever walks out of that war will just be survivors to supplant rather than victors (i.e. British Empire).

I denounce the Talmud.
I despise the CCP.

>>64018942
Motherfucker can't even spell his Risperidon right, baka. They don't make nutjobs like they used to.

>>64022272
Going into WW3 with the birth rates seen across non-african places would literally result in Out of Africa 2: The Niggering.

Fucking Mexico is under the 2.1 replacement rate, in South America there's 15 small shitsholes over 2.1. Europe? Even worse. SEA? 5 countries above 2.1 The jeets are at 2.01, mercifully. Middle East has quite a few above the replacement rate, even large countries like Saudi Arabia, but that exactly isn't better than Africa.

When the Americas, Europe, MENA, and Asia all fuck each other up, there's exactly one continent with birth rates to repopulate the Earth. Fucking Africa. In Africa, there are exactly 2 countries below the 2.1 replacement rate, Cabo Verde & Mauritius. All the rest are above it, and most by like 2.

Time is a flat circle, and it's a circle in Hell.

>>64022272
>U.S. also doesn't have the sustainment piece to enter into total war and has been actively, even desperately,
I think you highly underestimate a nation once it enters a total war state, this applies to both the US and china
>>64022412
Birth rates in africa are only sustained through international aid, there's going to be mass starvation and probably local conflicts if ww3 kicks off

>>64013884
Fuckin saved

>>64022412
>Going into WW3 with the birth rates seen across non-african places would literally result in Out of Africa 2: The Niggering.
yeah, its a concern. but they also genocide each other every other week because tribe ungabunga says click clack and thats enough for total extermination according to their neighboring tribe bunga unga

>>64014011
Why lie?

>>64013884
Exabyte, anon, exabytes.
1 PB is 1024 TB and you can buy 30+ TB hdds for ~20 bucks / TB. PB is nothing,

>>64013662 (OP)
Really, honestly, philosophically, conceptually, metaphysically, in theory, realistically, how do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>>64015558
Two more weeks.