Why is the completely flat Gaza strip a military stronghold from Hamas, while Israel nearly completely controls the mountainous West Bank and there aren't Hamas mountain bunkers and forts there?

Also how did Israel defeat and ethnically cleanse Syrian Sunnis from the mountainous Golan Heights in a few days in 1967 while Palestinians still live in flat Gaza?

Israel btfoed every Syrian Sunni village in the mountains of Golan and only left the Druze and some Alawites there.

I don't understand, aren't mountains supposed to be natural fortresses?

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>>64014252 (OP)
It's because Israel unilaterally ceded the Gaza strip to the Palestinians 20 years ago and Hamas has been fortifying it ever since.

>>64014252 (OP)
>ethnically cleanse Syrian Sunnis from the mountainous Golan Heights in a few days in 1967
Also, Israel didn't ethnically cleanse anyone in 1967, and boy did they fuck up with that. They wouldn't have any problems today if they did.

>>64014252 (OP)
>Why is the completely flat Gaza strip a military stronghold from Hamas, while Israel nearly completely controls the mountainous West Bank and there aren't Hamas mountain bunkers and forts there?
Israel used to occupy Gaza but pulled out in 2005. There were actually settlements there full of Jewish religious fanatics and the IDF had to go in and drag them out:
https://youtu.be/exyQ724_2nk

The Israeli brig. general (Gershon Hacohen) in that documentary is an interesting guy, and a religious man himself. But it's a double-edged thing, because it meant Israel didn't have to occupy Gaza anymore, and they walled it off, but that allowed Hamas to build up its forces and eventually catch them napping. In the West Bank, it's harder for the Lion's Den or Jenin Brigades or whoever to mass up and also arm themselves anywhere to the same extent because the IDF can go in whenever they want and bust them up. I'm not from Israel or Palestine, but that's what I've read about it. The Israelis also control the Jordan Valley in the eastern part of the West Bank (along the Jordanian border).

>I don't understand, aren't mountains supposed to be natural fortresses?
Yeah but the Israelis occupy the hilltops and look down on the Palestinians in the valleys. Also it was a bitch for the Jordanians to reinforce because it's like a kidney-shaped vice. There aren't many east-west roads and Israel could air strike the resupply routes while squeezing them from multiple directions.

Also the politics varies locally. Again, from what I've read, there are a triangle of hot militancy in the northern part (Jenin, Tulkarm, Nablus). And Gaza has had a reputation for being a nest of fedayeen for decades. It's a godforsaken piece of land with almost nothing to recommend it. Very densely populated and socioeconomically much less developed. The inhabitants make up for these problems by embracing Hamas' more fundamentalist brand of Islam.

I need 300 MT

Also another thing, Hamas' version of Islam has some things going for it. Those guys are disciplined, they go to bed early, brush their teeth. Even if you think the religion is nonsense, the social organization it attaches to is not. In Gaza, they run everything and it appears that Israeli intelligence there is poor. Hamas has their own counter-intelligence network with cab drivers and people like that who see and hear everything.

It's different with Fatah guys. They have that too, they sus out spies, but I don't think they're the same. You ever watch these Palestinan celebrations in Jenin? Like when guys get out of prison, there's a bunch of guys who will roll up with guns and shoot them into the air. There are entertainment companies that stream this stuff and put it on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/ck8eg5_RNFI
https://youtu.be/adrHwYPg8w0

Of course the Shin Bet is watching all of this and running everybody's face into an image recognition system. They have informants. But the vibe is more typical Arab gangster mafia. They can go out and blast in the general direction of an IDF expedition into Jenin before running away, but they can't mount the kind of battalion-sized forces that Hamas did.

urban area with 2 million people
vs
desert hills with noone living there

Also here's a video of Jenin guys shooting at Israeli troops. But notice anything? There are no RPGs. Then you see an Israeli armored truck drive by. Yeah it seems like a "battle" but they're really just making some noise during a demonstration:
https://youtu.be/7hI26RFHVpg

That's in the northern part of the West Bank. But post-2005, there was no way Israel could send in an expedition like that into Gaza without starting a full-blown conflagration. If there are guys building RPGs, Israel can go in and blow up the warehouse and kill or arrest the guys making them. In Gaza, forget it, you need to send in several divisions.

That general I mentioned who oversaw the withdrawal, he is a commentator now and has a reputation for being a hawkish right-wing schizo, but it's hard to argue with his logic if you agree with occupying the West Bank and that's good or a mission that you're committed to if you're Israeli. He believes there's a "Western" way of war, which is based in thinking of a rational system. If you imagine a train going off the tracks, the first instinct in that mindset is to put it back on the track, to resume the operation of a rationally-planned system. But he doesn't think the Middle Eastern works that way. War is not the exception to the norm. But that was the logic that led to the Gaza withdrawal and building the wall and relying on gizmos to keep Hamas in check. What he wants Israelis to do is conquer and settle land, farm it, and carry guns.

Because Hamas hides in/is the civilian population of Gaza
So unless they massacre all the civilians they cannot win until Hamas gives up.

>>64014252 (OP)
why arent there al qaeda forts in washington dc?

because its illegal doofus hamas is illegal in israel and in most places that law is enforced but in the west of israel there has been no enforcement for 20 years which is why only now its coming back

Same reason the US tries so hard to keep gun nutters under control and not start any civil wars. They don't wanna damage infrastructure and economically-valuable locations. They'd just grease all of Hamas in a day if they weren't worried about continuing to make money in those areas. Since it has nothing to do with culture and land and everything to do with money, they have to play it very carefully and only destroy certain stuff

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>catch them napping.
if you're referring to oct 7 then it's more "let them do it". The Mossad still hasn't hanswered about why they hadn't done a thing when foreing intelligence groups had tipped them off 2 years before the retaliation by hamas

>>64014252 (OP)
10-2=20

>>64015596
Well.. admitting they allowed Oct7 to cook off, and exacerbated the casualties with Hannibal, then exaggerated it all with atrocity propaganda kind of undermines the casus beli for killing/expelling all gazans and annexing the territory. Your asking for a lot of honesty from a group that proudly "wages war by deception".

>>64016720
Israelis don't give a shit.

>>64015596
>troops being lazy because of the upcoming three day weekend
>terrorist group takes advantage of it.
Not hard to see why it needs to be a conspiracy. Also the Palestinians still attacked on their own volition

You can volunteer to do AT with Israel.

>>64014252 (OP)
I'm going to assume this read better in the original Hebrew

Reported for low quality post.

Apply yourself.

>>64017014
if you can't see why Israel has all the strategic benefit of allowing that retaliation to happen you shouldn't post on /k/.
It's the most textbook case of a casus belli dropping in your lap, only a retard (or people with morals) would try to stop them.
Hell, why do you think whenever they are doing a new round of ceasefire negotiations with those hajis the IDF somehow always by mistake drops a few GBUs on civilians?