For older anons, how has the attitude towards gun ownership changed over the last 10-20-30-40 years in the US?

>>64014421 (OP)
Fewer fudds hurting pro-2a legislation from the inside.
Younger people typically not interested in guns are getting interested in them.
More pro-2a legislation and advocate groups, however...
More anti-gun groups than ever and they're exceptionally well funded.

Fuck living in Washington too btw. The commie traitor subhumans in King County and Olympia have ruined our beautiful state. I hate them so much it's unreal.

>>64014421 (OP)
>AK-47
>Folding stock
lol
lmao, even

>>64014437
Bro our legislators who drafted these laws are literally retarded NPCs bought and paid for by Bloomberg. It's so goddamn frustrating

>>64014421 (OP)
>Any pistol with magazine not in grip
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

>>64014421 (OP)
man, washington used to be great for guns. i always thought oregon would be the first to go to shit over washington, but somehow we're still holding on.

>>64014421 (OP)
The restrictions on owning specific configurations of weapons have generally decreased.

However, I would say that in practice the affirmative defense of self-defense is weaker than it was in the past. That bothers me far more than mag limits or restrictions on particular configurations.

I saw the biggest change around COVID. Absolute retards got into the hobby.

That first summer of love in 20, I got flagged probably 10 or 20 times by absolute idiots with fingers their triggers at the free range.

Gun store was a similar story, it's somewhat gone back to normal, but I think you still have more idiots than in the past.

There's also a lot of this min-maxing garbage going on instead of finding something you just find comfortable. Micro 9s are all the rage, but I have a feeling most won't be able to put rounds on target under stress. My 380s are still what I like carrying.

I can't explain it almost, it's better in terms of laws and new guns, but the culture around guns has become weird. Almost too casual. I dunno.

>>64014473
Holding on is a strong word given 114, sb243, and whatever else prozanski and ballmers wife have cooking up.

>>64014486
>Almost too casual
feel like its the opposite with all the min maxxing shit that really had its uptick during covid ish like you said.
>noooo you need 15 rnds of 9mm in your carry piece or you'll literally die the in the streets

>>64014421 (OP)
More divisive, like everything else. As far as actual established legal rulings and protection we are better off than we have been since pre90s.
But there is an even larger, more vocal, more ignorant and better funded body working against us now. Public opinion is worse due to retards and social media.

>>64014495
I wonder what will cause the levee to break like it did with States not following Federal law regarding marijuana.

>>64014498
It's not about need. It is about never stepping backward, even if it would otherwise be logically acceptable because they embody the slippery slope.
It is much easier to lose your rights than gain them back
t. Glock 26 fan.

>>64014510
Texas and Alaska forbid federal agents from enforcing unConstitutional anti-2A laws. Alaska is supposed to arrest them.
Another upper Rockies state recently passed similar, IIRC.

>>64014421 (OP)
FPS games like COD got younger people more into guns, which displaced and shamed Boomer Fudds so the whole Fudd mindset where guns should only be for hunting is dying off. People are a lot more proactive about 2A rights support. NRA is finally going down in flames because they had been selling us out for decades, allowing better 2A rights groups to step up and actually advocate for us.

Milsurp, retro and clone built semi auto versions of service rifles is a lot more of a thing now which is double edged. There's a lot more interest in such things, but prices skyrocketed.
>>64014486
Gucchi and tacticool minmaxing was always a bit of a thing, but it is a LOT more obnoxious nowadays because of how YouTube LARP influencer-driven guns as a hobby are. Some good things have come from that because they aren't completely wrong, but God damn are the people who drink that kool-aid insufferable.

As far as newbies, also 2 edged. A lot of them came and went 2020-2022, but some states and really got into it. I don't like the idea of building pillow first and throwing shit at newfags just because they are new. We were all new to something at some point and learned some hard lessons along the way. It is better to educate than to ridicule.
Safety has been an issue though. Lot of the CODkiddies were horrible about it, then 2020 newfags getting info from bad sources. That said having worked in a gun store most first time people buying guns around ~22/23 were actually very cautious and interested in formal training. 2020 was blind panic.
Overall current gun culture is VERY safety conscious and people who aren't safe enough get bullied viscously for it, which is a change for the better. The really unsafe people I see 80% of the time are boomers and worse still they WILL argue about it. Hood rats also be hood rats but that's just a given.

>>64014499
Anti 2A are spending more money than ever, and the good thing is that it's mostly not working. The fence sitter viewpoint is a lot more favorable towards gun rights than it has ever been, especially after 2020 when we had a wave of race riots while all our politicians and media were in blatant denial because it wasn't THEIR houses and businesses burning.

Silent majority is a very real thing and it votes. Politicians and journalists never seem to learn.
That said, politicians work for whoever pays them, and that's very much NOT us. So horrible laws still pass and getting even a slam dunk thing like suppressor de-regulation or nationwide CCW recognition seems like landing on the moon by comparison.

Sucks but at least it's not as bad as it could be.

>>64014421 (OP)
Less fudds, but more defeatist or demoralization at every win.
Nfa sbr and suppressors now has more of a legal edge on declaration it's unconstitutional registry without a tax
>Omg it's the end of the world
Ftr and SS legal
>Omg you don't really need that. It'll be funny when it's banned and you need to turn it in.

>>64014516
Very based, WA could never.
I guess what I mean to say is what will happen when a state like Washington has dozens of FFLs operating against the unconstitutional State-level laws but stays within Federal regulations? Still running 4473s for example.
We have some counties whose Sheriff's stated they wouldn't enforce these laws but that kind of statement doesn't really mean much in a courtroom.

>>64014544
>after 2020 when we had a wave of race riots
I think the BLM movement has in practice eroded self-defense in a way that's not offset by salt rifles being legal in most states (except the ones most people live in)

>>64014527
You are retarded if you don’t think the NRA is and always has been the most effective gun rights group out there
Drooling, mouth breathing, wearing a helmet for your own safety

>>64014446
It's worse than that. Imagine if you woke up one day and revolvers were illegal assault weapons.

>>64014527
>allowing better 2A rights groups to step up and actually advocate for us.
Yeah, let's see their legal records. It's easy to talk big. It's a lot harder to win big boy court cases.

>>64014511
>It is much easier to lose your rights than gain them back
I think you're confusing what I'm saying anon. I'm talking about how guntubers and other goobers online are always trying to convince people of the new hotness and how you'll literally die in some self defense scenario because you weren't running .30 super carry or you'll need whatever boutique gun that accomplishes some minor thing. There were and are a lot of people that think that way and don't look at their CCW or other self defense weapons more from a perspective of usability as compared to their level of training which other people (me) think are more important factors than
>how many rounds of ammo or how many foot pounds in this cartrdige etc etc.

>>64014516
Texas also pretty much gutted red-flag laws

>>64014559
You def could, just pay attention to local elections vote for whoever supports gun rights and let your opinions be knows, spread them and normalize them. Remember only about 9% of City population actually votes in city council elections. I imagine its even lower for district representatives so your vote def matters cause people wanting to disarm you sure as hell gonna vote. I mean hell Brandon Herrera only lost by 300 votes to a neocon.

>>64014567
Not really. It ended up being more about holding police accountable which is nominally good, but the extent to which police got refunded and demoralized caused an explosion in violent crime which was a disaster.
People saw more of a need to make self defense a personal matter as a result of that, and self-defense cases have mostly held up in court pretty well. Media actively made the situation worse by throwing doubt into clear cut self defense cases and trying to crucify you in the court of public opinion. That doesn't mean conviction, but it's still shitty.
>>64014587
That is true, but only on the count of their size and fundraising potential. What they do with the money they raise is practically a scam in everything short of the legal definition. Not only is a tiny sliver of the money raised actually used for lobbying where it counts (NRA gets out-spent in Washington by a wide margin despite raising way more money on the front end), but also they have openly supported gun control laws in the past in exchange for other concessions like the 1986 FOPA. All the ground gained there ended up being effectively nullified (trying traveling through CA with a non CA legal weapon and see how it goes+ATF totally digitizes every 4473 they get their hands on as a registry) and all the parts that took rights grew roots (import bans, Hughes Amendment) spreading way beyond the original law. Does the NRA do shit about that? Nope. They supported it originally.
What the NRA does do is run in at the very end AFTER somebody else does all the hard work (Calguns and CRPA for instance), spends $2000 and files an amicus brief just so they can take the credit and send flyers to all the CA NRA members demanding more donations money that very much DOES NOT go to fighting any gun laws anywhere.

FUCK THEM
FUCK THE NRA SIDEWAYS

If you think they give 1 fuck per billion if the 2A is repealed completely and would spend a dime of your money to stop it, you are delusional.

>>64014663
I think a lot of people mistakenly conflate the NRA and the NRA-ILA. The former deserves the insults but the latter actually does good work.
https://www.nraila.org/

>>64014663
Granted, I'm being a bit heated and hyperbolic about the NRA but my experience is that the way the whole thing is currently run is nothing but a giant scam.

I hope that changes, it would be nice if the biggest 2A advocacy group in existence actually did their job, but currently they do not. They exist purely to sucker you out of your donation money and only do the bare minimum of what they say they do in order to maintain their nonprofit tax exempt status.

That leaves them in the way of a group that might not actually have the same size/resources but actually does want to advocate without compromise. It isn't mutually exclusive, but NRA's current position isn't helpful until they clean house.

>>64014421 (OP)
by this logic is the mini-14/30 banned in washington because it can accept 30 round mags? or i am i getting lost in the retard sauce?

>>64014709
yeah its banned. my lgs has in stock
>pump shotties
>lotsa bolties
>pump/fixed mag AR's
>uppers
>parts
>lotsa pistols
and that's basically it.

>>64014544
Silent majority is legit but the massive amounts of urban single women influenced my social media is concerning.
9/10, the same women that say they would rather meet a bear in the woods than a man also votes for lax law enforcement and curtailing self defense rights.
>>64014559
>has dozens of FFLs operating against the unconstitutional State-level laws but stays within Federal regulations?
Before? Fed approved State raid, with a heavy hand. DOJ recently requested a 25% cut to BATFE budget for 2026, so now? Shit is too wild to tell.
The bottom line is always;
Someone needs to eat prosecution and probably conviction and win on appeal. Not enough people have that amount of time, money and balls.

>SKS banned
>Reason: Rifle grenade muzzle device

KEK

of all the political niggatry, i thought my state (jew york) was bad

>>64014663
>Not really. It ended up being more about holding police accountable which is nominally good, but the extent to which police got refunded and demoralized caused an explosion in violent crime which was a disaster.
The issue is that DAs and Prosecutors have been appointed who apply a different standard evidence when the affirmative defense is deployed against a black person. De facto you have fewer self-defense rights than you did pre-2015.

>>64014730
meant for
>>64014716

>>64014439
>legislators who drafted these laws are literally retarded NPCs
they aren't retarded brainlet, they picked those features to ban everything

>>64014486
>contrarian view of "woww guns are gay now that they're popular
>>64014498
>contrarian view of "woww stop being a tryhard!"

every hobby board is like this

>>64014439
They're not retarded. They're smart. That's why they didn't leave easy loopholes for (You).

>>64014587
NRA has been a joke compared to GOA for over a decade.
>>64014590
I have heard arguments that only autoloaders are "pistols "
I think this has merit now, even if it is historically false. I think there is also a valid point that (((they))) want revolvers banned because they want microstamping and wheelgats do not eject upon firing.

>>64014739
>contrarian view of "woww stop being a tryhard!"
no its a view contrary to eating up the view parroted by literal shills and people who make money off of content

>>64014686
This is the same group that sat on their thumbs eating popcorn while CA gun groups really needed their help and only showed up at the end after a minor win that could have been a lot bigger. As a result, CA gun laws spread to Washington and Colorado.

I am willing to give the ILA benefit of doubt that the NRA gives them proportionally so little funding that they just don't have the resources to lobby and sue effectively on a state by state level so they are predominantly focusing on fed instead (which makes sense), but that does act as a further indictment of the NRA as a whole being a corrupt institution.

NRA aggressively panhandles in states that it then ignores, while pretending to help. On its face that is a scam. I hope the ILA is staffed with people who would love to bend CA over a barrel and hate fuck their gun laws with a cactus, but obviously they are not provided the cactus with which to do so even though that would be trivially easy if their board of directors could live without another yacht each one year.
>>64014731
Only decision DA makes in that regard is to charge or not. Doesn't guarantee they win, if the only basis they have for that decision is because the "victim" is black they are going to get raped in court after inviting a media circus.

It's a huge fireworks display when it happens, but I have doubts things had changed much for most people in most places. It certainly feels like having to defend yourself from a black person is much riskier than a white one, but I have doubts that statistics agree.

It only feels like something that feels true, rather than something that really is. I'm open to be proven wrong on this though if you have something concrete to point at.

>>64014754
>only autoloaders are "pistols "
That's bullshit just like it's always been. I think revolvers are exempt from that law though because revolver cylinders aren't magazines.

>>64014421 (OP)
It's gotten much more mainstream than it used to, for good and bad. I don't buy into the idea that shooting getting mainstream somehow "saved gun rights" since the 2013 gun control bill failed even upon a hill of dead kindergarteners. It wasn't until after 2012 that things started to majorly shift, the AR took over the rifle market, and "tactical" firearms went from being publicly perceived as scary black guns to just being normal guns.

For my attitude towards gun ownership, I no longer would care about a training/education requirement for ownership being passed. I wouldn't vote for it, but I wouldn't care if it became law. There is simply no barrier to entry anymore for getting into shooting and I feel like the general quality of the gun owning population has decreased as a result. It's just too easy for absolute ass clowns to satisfy their caveman "me want gun" desires because all of the information on buying and using one is right in their pocket.

I know there were always shithead gun owners, but I feel like I've seen a rise in complete retards, like they're the same guys who wanted to learn Kung Fu after they watched the Matrix but quit the moment it required actual effort. Now they're back and they can just buy their way in.

>>64014794
This. I just want a "effort check" that filters out retards akin to a costco membership. This is why I'm not a fan of constitutional carry, and prefer the effort test of shall-issue.

>>64014435
State level gun control laws are just idiot checks
I live in California and nothing in my life has changed

>>64014794
I want to call you a grabber faggot, but I'll just call you a faggot instead because I kinda feel you. One starts to question if maybe the 4473 is a little too easy to answer when you see all the holes in the ceiling and the floor at an indoor range

>>64014887
It's not about what I currently own, it's the difficulty in getting new guns especially as a Cold War firearm collector. I'm also far too white to visit DeShawn's Off-The-Books Firearm Emporium at the corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Bvld and International Bvld. Not like he carries G3 and FAL parts anyway though desu

>>64014737
>>64014744
They're retarded in that they cannot argue in favor of these laws, thus any sort of actual "compromise" falls flat right away.
>no compromises, SHALL
I agree but when your options are currently: 1. Get fucked, or 2. Get fucked but different, you pick what you get.
4th box might be opening up soon though lads.

>>64014794
>>64014891
I can't believe I'm reading this on /k/ of all places, or maybe I can. Never give a single inch. Retards have and always will be used against you, disregard them.
>>64014924
There are no "option" there is no "picking" in this state. If the people do not vote according to the desires of the state government, they simply force it through anyway, they don't even bother with loopholes anymore. They've done this several times and I have no reason to believe they will stop. WA legitimately has no representation anymore, voting is a formality for anything important.

>>64014953
>They've done this several times and I have no reason to believe they will stop.
I wholeheartedly agree. It's so funny too, antigunners always preach about making sure everyone's voice is heard and vote is counted, I've never felt more disenfranchised than I am right now as a non-Democrat in WA.
Mass noncompliance is the way forward. We just need the "mass" to catch on.

>>64014911
You'd be surprised what the ghetto shops have sometimes

>>64014987
>by Jove, do you see that rapscallion o'er yonder?
>commence volley fire my niggas

tactical shit became cool and it upset the fudds in 2005-2010
now the tactical shit has become too mainstream so the autistic hipsters have retvned to fudd muh retro builds
me personally? I stopped shooting my rifle calibers 4 years ago and 95% of my range days are pistols or 9mm pcc because cheap and not ear shattering obnoxious loud, if I ever decide to get a suppressor I'll probably never shoot my 5.56 rifles again unless society collapses

>>64014794
I’d like to see firearm safety and 2A history become part of school curriculums instead. You’ll never be able to stop retards though. It’s stupid that firearms are so important to US culture but we don’t fucking learn about them. In fact bring back shop classes and home ec too.

>>64014754
>only autoloaders are "pistols"
So what the hell is this then?

>>64014887
Licensing maybe, but AWBs are absolutely crippling to collectors and aspiring gun owners. I know that all the nigs in the shittier parts of the state carry non-compliant weapons anyway.
Even for licensing, it's blatantly unconstitutional and in the case of my state (CT) the checks are excessive enough to filter poorfags and even deny some people who otherwise would be able to qualify in another state or would not be prevented from firearm ownership federally. Just an anecdote but I've heard that the police in at least one city would just deny all permit applications for no given reason until someone threatened to sue. Not to mention that handgun ownership is prohibited and long gun ownership is soft-banned for people under 21.
State level gun laws also absolutely have an effect on the presence of shooting ranges in the state and the prices they charge, which is bad for everyone.
>>64014911
Same here. I have a fucking M1 Garand for HD and CC a 1911. I'd love to be able to get any non-handgun Cold War firearm to go with the mountains of surp gear I have.
>>64014953
>I can't believe I'm reading this on /k/ of all places, or maybe I can.
The userbase hasn't done a good enough job of gatekeeping and internal policing. I'd like to think we still remember how things are supposed to be though.

>>64015735
miniature short barreled shotgun

>>64014794
Not viable.

On the surface, some kind of idiot filter isn't a terrible thing but it would inevitably be abused.
>What if it is just a test.
Ok, make it like the bar exam. 5000 questions long, 100% accuracy required to pass, only administered twice a year and full of either really obscure or inaccurate questions guaranteed to fail everyone.
>Classes
Only allow a narrow group of ridiculously expensive instructors with a busy schedule and small class sizes. Can't afford it or get time off work? Too bad.
>Live fire training.
Set the passing standard so high that only an experienced Olympic marksman would have a chance. Better group 1" at 100yd with a J frame using only your non dominant hand or no license for you.
>Fees
Set the basic fee for a gun license exorbitantly high. Like $2,000 up front just to look at your application. Non refundable. Then have an annual fee, then tack on a few per gun you own just as "insurance". It is very easy to make gun ownership cost-prohibitive.
>Psych eval
Set a liability standard for psychologists for signing off on an applicant if they end up committing a crime later, but none for denying an applicant. Watch no psych ever want to sign off on a gun application afterwards because they risk their career every time they approve one.
>Funding
Under-fund whatever administrative agency is in charge of issuing licenses until they have one grandma slow-walking every application for the state one by one. Or better yet don't assign it to any agency so none of them want to take on the task and re-direct applicants at each other mid-application instead.

There are so many miles a gun grabbing state can potentially run with an inch. We're seeing it in Colorado now, I saw it when CC permits became a thing in CA. They do not act in good faith, they play games with this sort of thing.

>>64015908
>>64014794
Now, as a counter-point, the one thing I did see that was actually not too bad in this regard was the CA FSC test. It costs $25, administered by the dealer and you have to be genuinely retarded to fail.

I worked at an LGS that administered hundreds of the things and it was genuinely rare that someone would fail. It wasn't a huge hindrance to business, only an inconvenience.

I still don't support spreading this idea because it can be abused too. CA recently updated some things regarding it and I don't know what that entails, I hear it's not bad but that could always change.

They can always jack up the fee from $25 to $1000 or make it 1000 questions, or make the required accuracy 100%, or make you bother your county sheriff department instead of letting the dealer do it with a single bill. Therein lieth the problem.

>>64014421 (OP)
>any pistol with a magazin that is not incorporated into the pistol grip
Kel-tec Wimmersberger pistol soon, Stalker.

>>64015920
>CA recently updated some things regarding it and I don't know what that entails, I hear it's not bad but that could always change.

Not FSC related, but 2026 requires safe storage at home means a gun safe, no exceptions. CA has a list of "approved" trigger lock devices, like their new handgun roster.

>>64014887
Bitchin flag anon

>>64014437
>TeChNiCaLlY the Ak-$7 dOeSnT hAvE a FoLdInG sToCk!!!

>>64014559
>Sheriff's stated they wouldn't enforce these laws but that kind of statement doesn't really mean much in a courtroom
i guess but normally this stuff would be prosecuted at the county level, so lack of cooperation from sheriffs would make it difficult

>>64014727
Had this happened once because grenade launchers were banned in my area
>Yugo sks with a little surface rust at lgs
>Priced at $250
>howhasthisnotsoldyet.png
>Ask employee to start paperwork
>Start imagining all the fun I'll have cleaning this thing
>Employee comes back saying manager veto'd sale due to the grenade launcher

>>64015908
If your plan is predicated on never being in charge of the government and unable to do things when in charge, you should probably give up or swap to create a faction in the winning team.

>>64015659
Wouldn’t stop retards from being retards.

>>64015908
We already have a very successful model to effort check lazy retards. It's very common in red states even. It's Shall issue CCW.

I don't think things have gotten either more pro or anti gun like many people in this thread do. I just think both sides have become more polarized, dedicated and vocal on what they support and threw away any notion of agreement away along the way. Its why blue/anti-gun states like Washington, Colorado and Illinois have stamped down extra hard on gun rights with new AWBs that would have been harder to push through back then while states like Texas, Florida and Idaho have gone the exact opposite way. Terrible if you live in a blue state (even if you probably should have saw it coming a mile away) and great if you live in a red state, in terms of gun rights anyways. Beyond that the loss of cheap surplus is a shame, especially when younger shooters more wary about getting into the hobby back then could have back a nugget for 100 dollars to wet their feet but the cost of more modern things coming down in price like ARs and handguns is nice.

>>64016368
the nugget has always been an absolutely dogshit first gun for new shooters, it just became popular because other cheap bolt guns became ridiculously expensive in comparison and you could get a mosin for $125 in the golden period.
that said, you're right, antigunners have gone rabid but luckily every gun control measure gets fought tooth and nail to the point that the bills need to be carefully considered because if they get SC'd, it tears down a lot of other laws in other states
>>64014794
>I feel like the general quality of the gun owning population has decreased as a result.
that's called sampling error
youtube has greatly relaxed what they'll allow published on their platform, which has led to inner city blacks being able to show of "dey arp" on a youtube short instead of just keeping it at home
>>64014421 (OP)
social media changed everything. Before the sunset of the AWB, "gun culture" wasn't a thing unless you were talking about boomer dipshits shooting trap, skeet, and long range bolt guns or OEF/OIF vets
the existence of guntube is irritating but absolutely tolerable when you consider the fact that more americans than ever are exposed to guns being a cool god-given freedom.

>>64016368
The nugget is one of the worst guns to introduce shooters. Terrible trigger, terrible accuracy, unpleasant recoil, corrosive primers. A recipe to develop terrible shooting habits, as we can see from the dogshit groupings that get posted.

>>64016368
The polarization is a bit risky because most conservative states that are currently trying to protect their gun rights have a fairly low overall population that can be flipped by as little as 100,000 blue voting transplants. Of course a lot of people fleeing from places like California to ID/NV/AZ are Republican voters but a lot aren't. This is all subject to change.
There's also always the risk of a flip on the fed level and changes coming from above, but if they couldn't get anything done under Obama or Biden they probably won't.

As far as the Nuggets, it was fun for the memes while it lasted but I'd take $400 ARs over $100 Mosins any day. The current availability of cheap ARs is much better for beginners than a clunky old rifle with sketchy ammunition in God only knows what condition.

>>64014475
>However, I would say that in practice the affirmative defense of self-defense is weaker than it was in the past. That bothers me far more than mag limits or restrictions on particular configurations.

Every time idiots talk about "I live in bongland, what should I get for self-defense?" I smack my head. If you're in shitland and a darkie tries to rob you, run for your life. If you hurt/insult him, YOU'RE going to jail.

>>64014527
>FPS games like COD got younger people more into guns, which displaced and shamed Boomer Fudds
It's not just that. A lot of boomers who never would have even thought about buying an AR got real pissed when the Clinton era assault weapons ban was enacted, and suddenly wanted one simply because they were afraid they were going to get banned. No doubt media like games and action movies got a lot of younger people into modern guns, the same way old westerns got boomers hooked on cowboy gats, but the AWB was a big driving force too. Tons of people were buying guns during the ban for fear that was the best they could get and things might get worse at any moment. Once the ban expired in 2004 then the market went nuts catering to all the newfound demand and prices dropped like mad, which in turn got MORE people into modern styled guns.

Another huge improvement that people seem to rarely discuss was the revision of NFA paperwork about ten years ago. Before then you had to have a "chief law enforcement officer" sign off on your forms. It couldn't be any old cop, it had to be someone like the literal Chief, your Sheriff, or a Federal judge. This was a big hurdle because a lot of those people wouldn't sign as a matter of principle, and a lot of other people simply didn't want to bother with the hassle. A lot more people got into suppressors, SBRs, etc, once that changed.

Biggest thing I noticed that has really changed is the fact lolberts convinced so many leftists, commiescum and trannyfaggots to get into guns. Now we have subhumans that are armed. And arming your enemy is absolutely retarded. Second thing is less fudds around fucking everything up.

>>64016592
Go back to California or whatever commie shithole you crawled out of.

>>64016823
Negro, I am from and live in the Midwest (one of the betterish ones)
I'm talking in general, country wide. Lolberts especially after the summer of love, convinced a lot of undesirables to get into guns. And I have a feeling you are one of them. How many trannies have to convinced to get into guns?

>>64016841
Zero. I'm just sick of people supporting gun control that will only ever be used against themselves to own le libertards. Trotskyists and other entryists aren't libertarian, fiscally conservative, or small government; they're just political skinwalkers.

>>64016872
There's a difference from suggesting any sort of gun control and not recommending, suggesting or helping arms to undesirables, and enemies. But it seems folk like you do not understand the difference.

>>64016889
There's people doing the former in this very thread, in what used to the most SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED place on the internet. I don't care if some "libertarian" Marxist on twitter is doing the latter. It's also worth noting that we're the "undesirables" to the left, and they would (and do) gladly take whatever power is given to them to disarm us and simply not enforce things against their allies.

People buy a lot more guns now to the point of paranoia. I've got no qualms with it but people come up with irrational reasons about why they need like 5 or 6 guns that do the same thing, reside in the same place, and have all wildly different accessories.

>>64014716
Sounds like canada

>>64016592
Not >>64016823, I understand your point but I dont see the real downsizing here. Can you control it? No. You should control it with leftard "gun sense" logic? No. So... fuck them. They are weak minded, dont practice and dont have the guts to pull the trigger in a SHTF scenario.

>>64014626
This. Local elections are the most importatnt

>>64017242
Thing is, in the last 8 years howany leftists have attempted assassinations, lit up schools, churches, laid ambushes for Leo/feds, or openly shot anyone they deemed right wing or a "Nazi"
This would be far far less of retards did suggest them to buy guns and gear.

>>64014550
A lot of people seem to only be able to comprehend things in terms of "big win" or "epic loss", and think that anything other than a complete and total victory is an "epic loss". They need to understand that we didn't get here because the antis got one big win, it was a bunch of smaller victories over the last 100 years.
People also need to be more willing to use the antis tactics against them. I saw so many people both online and IRL who were against the recent suppressor thing because "bills should only be about one thing" and they chose this as their first hill to die on with their newfound principles.

>>64017344
>A lot of people seem to only be able to comprehend things in terms of "big win"
many such cases

>>64017242
Libtards with guns have tried to assassinate cops and politicians. (You) talk about SHALL and "muh tree of liberty", but fundamentally you don't do that - they're just toys to conservatives. Gunko Pops if you will.

>>64017314
>Thing is, in the last 8 years howany leftists have attempted assassinations, lit up schools, etc.
Not all that many in the grand scheme of things. If you look back to the kind of shit they were getting up to in the 70s, modern lefties are positively peaceful. Even during the summer of Saint Floyd, they killed more of their own than of their perceived enemies.
>This would be far far less of retards did suggest them to buy guns and gear.
They have their own clique that is pro-gun, or more generally pro violent revolution to establish a dictatorship ruled by them and their fellow Marxists. Me being anti gun-control doesn't really effect them, since there's no ideological crossover happening. Go hang out in lefty "pro-gun" communities and look at the way they talk about guns compared to the American right. Even the trannies have to justify guns with a perceived threat from one class (evil misogynist males) towards their class (poor innocent REAL women) and usually only begrudgingly accept that they are primarily responsible for their own safety. Contrast this with libertarians, constitutionalists, regular conservatives, etc. on the right; they're all much more willing to embrace the individual responsibility aspect of gun ownership, that's the appeal for many. Thus, by being pro-gun, one is already biased rightward, even if you don't draw any legal distinction or politically discriminate in any way yourself, the two sides do so through self selection.

>>64017388
>Libtards with guns have tried to assassinate cops and politicians.

Good I hate them both. I'll just laugh from the sidelines.

>>64017095
Can't you actually get a license to posses automatics in Canada? You can't do any of that legally in WA

>>64015982
>Kel-tec Wimmersberger pistol soon
You're about 50 years too late for that.

>>64014887
Kane Lives in Death!

>>64016085
>Bans gun for having feature
>Gun doesn't even have feature
Yeah, I'm being pedantic but there's a reason. It's not a technicality, the AK-47 does not has a folding stock, like, not even a little bit.

>>64018452
You realize that the law doesn't say "AK-47s are banned because they have folding stocks," right? The only person saying that is the brain damaged journo that made that infographic. But practically all AKs would still be banned because they have most of the same features that the AR is banned for. Maybe you could build a featureless one if you really tried, but I don't know how you could deal with the detachable magazine thing if even guns with fixed magazines like the SKS could be banned for it.

>>64018452
Somehow, I don't think you can Jewish semantic trick your way out of, "Well technically, a AKMS isn't an AK-47". I'm pretty sure the lawyers closed that loophole.

>>64018511
Well, yeah, the AKMS isn't an AK-47, just like the AKS-47 isn't an AK-47.

>>64018452
>>64018503
>>64018511
They use the term "AK-47 in all forms", doesn't elaborate or define what those forms are.
There's zero way a definition like that would withstand legal review but it hasn't been challenged yet. I say "yet" because there's allegedly an FFL or two that will transfer a Norinco Hunter despite it being technically an AK-47 "variant"

>>64018586
You didn't read my post, so I'll try and make it easier for you to read:
>"AK-47s" are NOT banned by name
>The infographic is not a law, and does not accurately reflect the law

>>64018607
Oh, wait, it is banned by name. My bad, I scrolled past that part of the law. Anyway, all AKs would be banned by their features even if they weren't banned by name and I don't see any way around that, so it doesn't matter what they call it.

>>64018607
Here's a more descriptive infographic
>inb4 not a law
As if I follow it anyway, we have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws.

>>64018144
No, but anyone who owned them prior to the 1977 gun ban (Trudeau seniors doing btw) got possession of them grandfathered in. Once the boomer owners die those guns go into a government bandsaw.

>>64018511
you're missing the point
they shouldnt be able to ban a gun just because it can accept a folding stock or that theres variations of it with one
of course it's banned either way because muh barrel shroud thing that goes up and muh assault magazines

>>64015735
a handgun

>>64014754
i think there is some historical precedent for calling automatic handguns pistols though, i remember reading some old ass thing where they made the distinction between pistol and revolver
falls apart though if you consider that pistol originally meant handcannon

>>64014446
It’s worse than that, most Olympic style pistols are banned in Washington with zero exceptions, it’s literally worse than California

>>64014421 (OP)
>For older anons, how has the attitude towards gun ownership changed over the last 10-20-30-40 years in the US?
People who wree into shooting whether pistolm long range black powder, hunting etc generall could shoot far far better and were far more knowledgeabe about their niche. Shooters knew how to shoot, zero a rifle, reload and were far more into guns because they loved shooting and armsm survivalists were still broadly viewed as unwelcome nuts. No one cared that much about ARs because no one wanted to shoot junky military crap when they coould buy much better rifles. Hunters actually cared about their game animals a lot more and took a lot more responsibility for making a clean kill and tracking down wouded animals. People went out and bought books like Jack O'Connors and read them. Ranges were much friendlier and it was way more common to be offered to shoot a gun if you looked interested. There were lots more people into building rifles for bench and muzzleloading.

TLDR People used be able to shoot and were into the hobby instead of it being filled with politicised CUNTS hoping for civil war and CUNTS with ARs magdumping at ranges beside kids trying to plink 22s with their dad

STLDR
ARs ruined shooting in the US both the skill, knowledge and the breath and depth of niches in the hobby and the very ability to actually shoot

>>64018759
>there is some historical precedent for calling automatic handguns pistols though
nope

>>64018633
>revolving shotguns
>assault weapons
this is genuinely just tyranny

>>64018779
>ARs ruined shooting in the US both the skill, knowledge and the breath and depth of niches in the hobby and the very ability to actually shoot
And 99.9% of these faggots won't even compete in action shooting that uses them.

>>64014435
Same shit on your south border with Portland and Eugene. Basically the whole rest of the state is pro-gun, even Bend despite being blue has a big hunting culture etc., but those couple of cities/counties are trying to turn us into the next WA despite even their own residents saying they don't want it in polls.

>>64018633
Higher resolution image for the class.
>>64019063
It's wildly frustrating. The assault antigunners have on the 2a in our state is unconstitutional on so many levels but nobody seems to care (except pro-gun WAfags).
The banned by name list is fucking comical. Some of the guns they've banned don't exist, were never imported into the USA, or have a grand total of 2 firearms currently on Earth.

>>64018779
Honestly I hate how the range became place you see everyone has the same PSA AR build and are trying to one up each other with a tighter group shit. The range was place you saw everything from muzzleloaders to SCARs. Shit over 4th of July weekend I got heckled by some zoomer dipshit trying impress his friend by knowing math and trying dunk someone using irons and old bolt action rifles.
>You're groups are bad maybe you try something difference, look at my groups.
Yeah no shit zoomie, I'm using an parts kit build A1 with irons at 100 yards while you're using probably LMT AR with a LVPO, you're comparing apples to tomatoes.
That said the dipshit ragequit when he pulled out his No1Mk3 Enfield and shit you not took TWO shots with it, and wonder why placement is all over and claim he need to adjust the front sight post. Moron was trying to shoot a schokakola can size target at a 100 yards, and wondering why is grouping was shit. Honestly I'll felt bad for the friend, he didn't even get to shoot the enfield.

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64019172

>>64018711
>Trudeau seniors doing btw
Isn't that the guy that decided that your bill of rights doesn't apply if it's inconvenient and then all of you cucknadians applauded him for it?

>>64019205
I fuck ya
mudda
for free