Native Americans and Fire arms - /k/ (#64016340)

Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:19:14 PM No.64016340
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Did the native americans in north america developed their own fire arms?
I know that most of their guns came from the French and the British since they wanted to arm their native allies but did native american nation ever tried to created their own fire arms?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:24:37 PM No.64016364
lol who even cares about red skins?
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:30:24 PM No.64016383
>>64016340 (OP)
>did stone age retards who never learned agriculture or how to ferment alcohol ever invent iron age precision tools?
no. But they did invent standing around every street corner drinking in the middle of the day every day while looking like the inbred fucktards they are because they have nothing else to do. Don't believe me, come to Rapid City SD some time
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:31:15 PM No.64016385
>>64016340 (OP)
No, but I believe the Eastern Band of Cherokee put a bid in for Remington when it went under a couple years ago.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:26:54 PM No.64016546
a few tribes did. remember that on the eastern side they got contact pretty early. there were as i said a few tribes that ended up doing gunsmithing by adopting it from the europeans.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:33:58 PM No.64016570
>>64016546
Pounding tacks into the stock of pappy's old rifle he traded your ancestral land for =/= gunsmithing, Chief Breath-like-Spearmint
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:57:51 PM No.64016663
>>64016385
wonder what kind of guns they would have made
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:01:57 PM No.64016922
>>64016663
Probably just the regular remington catalog. No way to know though.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:06:19 PM No.64016956
>>64016340 (OP)
>Did the native americans in north america developed their own fire arms?
Nigger they never left the stone age.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:13:05 PM No.64016999
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this board fucking sucks lol. they did dabble in gunsmithing and make some interesting modifications to european style firearms but we can't discuss it here because american zoomies cannot be bothered to read anything that isn't an AI summary
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:23:41 PM No.64017067
>>64016999
That's not what OP asked, you stupid subhuman Latinx cunt.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:32:17 PM No.64017114
>>64016340 (OP)
I did some research on this in college, wrote a paper on it way back in the day. Almost all of the firearms acquired by the Indians were traded for, in exchange for furs and other goods. Some were battlefield pickups or stolen from raided armories or supply trains during conflicts. Tribes also traded and fought over access to firearms, and the flow of guns from east to west was a major factor in who won various tribal conflicts and who was forced to migrate, as in the example of the Iroqouis Confederacy defeating the Algonquin speaking tribes, who in turn displaced the Lakota, who were then forced west and made war on the Cheyenne, Blackfeet, etc.

Natives did take to gunsmithing though, in terms of repair. With sources of supply limited, and no industrial base, Indians had to keep the guns they had operational for as long as possible, which led to them mixing and matching parts to make functional weapons all the time. There are numerous archeological sites with caches of cast off parts, and examples of these franken-muskets. It also depended on the tribe, but many natives sent emissaries during times of peace to learn various crafts in White settlements by observation. Primary sources at the time noted that the Natives were particularly curious about practical crafts like carpentry, blacksmithing, gunsmithing, and cannon forging. But ultimately dependence on trade for powder, shot, and guns, and a complete lack of industry prevented the advent of any kind of Indian gun manufacturing as far as I am aware.
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:38:45 PM No.64017150
>>64016999
>interesting modifications to european style firearms
like what other than repairs and the injun equivalent to bubba
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:34:56 AM No.64019129
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>>64016340 (OP)
>Did the native americans in north america developed their own fire arms?

Let's see:
>Prehistoric culture
>Didn't invent wheel
>Didn't invent sail
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:48:20 AM No.64019540
>>64016340 (OP)
I would bet not. They lived in the stone age. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:52:09 AM No.64019553
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Dear Diary.
Today, I witnissed not just one but multiple threads that one would expect from /k/ as it was and should be.
From Anon.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:59:26 AM No.64019570
>>64017114
Thank you! Can you elaborate any more? I find the Native wars with the US one of the more interesting topics, I haven't dived fully into yet. I've been reading about the Salish recently since they published their own history books, which are interesting to compare to America sources, but I mostly focused on the economic history, since that's my main tism.

With the Salish, it mostly boils down to the same sort of process you see elsewhere. Interestingly enough they seemed to be decently content with their original allotment, and if it was for the Dawes act, and would have probably ended up civilized, if not a bit agrarian by the turn of the century. It's a shame really, because what happened to them ended up vindicating the total war those breakaway nez pierce bands went on.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 6:01:23 AM No.64019577
>>64019570
>if it was for the Dawes act, and would have probably ended up civilized

*If it wasn't for the dawes act they would have probably ended up civilized.

My apologies througougjly drunk at the moment
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 6:14:12 AM No.64019623
>>64016340 (OP)
I work for a tribe now and there's a ton of tribal land near me. I've always wondered how far the tribes could go in saying "fuck you" to the US government, they (rightfully) hate them after all.
They are treated as sovereign states, kind of. It's weird. But I'm thinking about how the State would handle a native American gun manufacturer, perhaps building and selling firearms not legal in the USA (NFA items). If they're truly sovereign then the US law doesn't apply to them.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 6:27:58 AM No.64019670
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>>64016340 (OP)
No. They did, however, trade for firearms and order them from firearms manufacturers like anybody else would
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 7:16:12 AM No.64019779
>>64016340 (OP)
>did stone age tribals who never diacovered the wheel manufacture their own firearms

Anon I...
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 7:30:22 AM No.64019811
>>64016340 (OP)
they had "trade guns" from the yuros and a bunch of the treaties required the US government to pay them out with civil war surplus
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 7:31:23 AM No.64019814
>>64016383
>how to ferment alcohol
how the fuck did they not learn how to ferment alcohol? fucking bears know how to make alcohol
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 7:41:55 AM No.64019827
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>>64016364
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 8:24:23 AM No.64019896
>>64019623
>they (rightfully) hate them after all.
They should be eternally grateful. Any non-white civilization, including their own, would've completely genocided them.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 9:31:18 AM No.64019993
>>64019896
"gee thanks for not completely genociding us"
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:04:14 AM No.64022578
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They got killed
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:19:47 AM No.64022845
>>64019577
>be prairienigger coping about never leaving stone age
>be drunk
Figures
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:43:11 AM No.64023139
>>64017114
Thank you for actually providing information than the rest of this bullshit in the thread.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:48:31 AM No.64023158
>>64019623
Pretty sure the sovereign state status exists until something bad enough happens. If some tribal made a bunch of guns that are illegal by US law and then used in a mass murder, act of terrorism, or just a bank robbery, I think the rules would change. I always find it interesting how the tribes with casinos will constantly talk about native rights, but do nothing to help out any of the other tribes, even if they're neighbors
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:48:55 AM No.64023159
>>64016340 (OP)
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:56:21 AM No.64023174
>>64023158
>tribes with casinos will constantly talk about native rights, but do nothing to help out any of the other tribes, even if they're neighbors
I can't speak for other states but in Washington it's the opposite (at least for the biggest 15 or so casinos). It's almost like a cartel, all of the leadership of the casinos are friends and do behind the curtain deals all the time.
When it comes to legislation ALL of the tribes work together against the State and the Feds. It's how we were able to get sports betting legalized in WA last year or the year before.

Regarding gunsmithing and manufacturing, fuck I'd love to see ndns do it
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:00:21 AM No.64023184
>>64016383
Injuns made a whole bunch of different kinds of alcohol and knew how to do agriculture on a pretty big scale. Are you an inbred streetcorner drunk yourself ?
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:02:25 AM No.64023190
>>64023174
Nope, that's how it usually goes. I'm in San Diego and holy fuck are there a lot of tribal casinos here. It's insane to know how much a friend makes from being a tribal member of a casino running tribe just for existing, and honestly I'm fine with it, but learning how often it leads to self destruction is very depressing. Also, they are definitely in bed with each other on an organizational level. Some of my confusion is just how insanely poor non-casino tribes are and how the the casino owning tribes are very wealthy, like holy fuck the amount of money the tribe that bought hard rock has is insane, and do absolutely nothing to help the other tribes in the struggle seems very human and contradicts a lot of what they say
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:03:08 AM No.64023192
>>64017114
>Natives were particularly curious about practical crafts like carpentry, blacksmithing, gunsmithing, and cannon forging

I remember reading about some Tlingit who mounted a cannon on a fucking canoe and would sneak up on villages in the fog and just canonball their main longhouse then sneak away.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:04:13 AM No.64023195
>>64019129
>>Didn't invent wheel

Why did this retarded fake news catch on so big? There are a whole bunch of wheeled injun artifacts, especially from Mesoamerica.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:07:32 AM No.64023196
>>64023190
I'm in CA too. The tribes near me are fucking loaded. Some of them went from living in trailer parks to having huge mcmansions and flashy skyscraper casinos in 1 or 2 generations. They kind of remind me of Saudis but with less radical islam and more radical DUIs.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:11:13 AM No.64023202
>>64023196
Yup. Depends on the tribe, but the friend gets like a quarter million plus a multi-million prize for living to 18 since he's an adult and they just gave him a fuckton of money saying it's what he was owed for growing up. I don't really see how that doesn't cause issues as you get more money per year for existing than most jobs can ever pay, so a lot of people just self destruct. Although I'm running on secondhand knowledge and he definitely has a bias
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:12:27 AM No.64023205
>>64023190
I think our tribe does a pretty good job at that. The profits we pull are massive and they use them for medical clinics for tribal members (because you're right, lots of them aren't just poor they're fucking POOR poor) and ecological conservationist projects in our area. I'm sure the profits go elsewhere too but those are the visible benefits.
It's absolutely corrupt though lmfao. Nothing but cronyism and nepotism but whaddyagonnado, they pay me well so I don't ask questions.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:18:33 AM No.64023217
>>64023205
It's a bit worse with some tribes I've encountered in SD. One of the bigger tribes doesn't give you coins in their cash machines in the casinos, they let you "donate" it to various tribe ran charities when you cash out. They used to allow a few other charities, but dropped the non-tribal ones and looking them up shows that they are just embezzlement machines which is just sad. [spoiler]I count cards[/spoiler]
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:42:10 AM No.64023243
>>64023202
The ones near me seem to be okay, but it seems like they're way more buttoned down and traditional than most natives. I think them going from living rural to having money allowed them to skip the retarded ghetto urban bs that many injuns fall into.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:46:18 AM No.64023249
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>>64023243
There are lots of stereotypes about other ethnic groups being swindlers but I legitimately think the natives are better at it than any other group. They also run a bunch of those comically high interest loan shark operations. Need to have constant income to replace the Mercedes nephew Running Wolf crashed into the sacred redwood tree.

>Profits soar like eagle ash cash flows like mighty river.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:31:15 AM No.64023331
>>64023249
Quite literally normal laws do not apply to them and they are free to assrape anyone they can. Like fuck, the Barona tribe in Southern California only has cattle grids at the edge of their territory and if you are in a bad enough scenario where you hit a cow, they find a way to charge you more than fucking cow was worth and you have to agree because it's on tribal fucking land
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:47:50 AM No.64023485
>>64023331
>Quite literally normal laws do not apply to them and they are free to assrape anyone they can.
Exactly. Our casino was open during the entire pandemic and lockdown because muh sovereign nation.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:14:54 PM No.64023796
>>64016383
Anon didn't pass basic history class
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:19:59 PM No.64023808
>>64023184
growing a tiny row of maize occasionally does not count as agriculture anon
sure the aztecs knew their shit but north of them it was all barbarity
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:20:59 PM No.64023810
>>64016999
>but we can't discuss it here because
because you're talking out of your ass
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 12:54:45 PM No.64023884
>>64023485
chukchansi?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:10:42 PM No.64024227
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>>64023810
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:11:49 PM No.64024230
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:17:11 PM No.64024244
>>64016383
Shut up jesse
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 3:23:13 PM No.64024258
>64024227
point proven
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:09:45 PM No.64024395
>>64016340 (OP)
Native Americans didn't even develop the wheel, OP. They didn't develop any iron technology, either. They didn't develop writing. In North America the only domesticated animal was the dog. How the fuck are people stuck living in 50,000BC going to develop indigenous firearms?
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 4:28:35 PM No.64024459
>>64024227
>>64024230
Stop posting selfies.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:03:50 PM No.64024550
>>64023195
>There are a whole bunch of wheeled injun artifacts, especially from Mesoamerica.

They literally only used it for toys. There's no archeological evidence of carts, roads, wheel ruts, tools for wheelmaking, depictions of wheels being used, or anything else we find literally everywhere else in the world except among equally backward Australian aboriginals and black Pacific cannibals. They dragged shit everywhere, and continued to do so even after seeing the Spanish build roads and use wheels. Saying native Americans invented the wheel because of a few toys is like saying they invented rocketry because archeologists found a few dildos.
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 5:14:32 PM No.64024591
>>64023184
>knew how to do agriculture on a pretty big scale
Corn didn't even arrive in New England until after the year 1000. Many tribes throughout the Americas never developed agriculture. Over and over in discussions like these people like you bring up shit that basically only the Mayans or the Inca were capable of doing, and then applying those rare outlier examples to every caveman living on both continents.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:56:35 PM No.64025033
>>64023158
they let the injuns do payday loans
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 6:58:28 PM No.64025040
>>64023192
fucking based
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:00:03 PM No.64025054
>>64023205
>I think our tribe
>we
how how how
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:06:01 PM No.64025088
>>64023217
wait, you can't cash out?
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:10:28 PM No.64025103
>>64016999
yuros are so dumb, they haven't invented AC
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 7:55:17 PM No.64025294
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Anonymous
7/24/2025, 8:15:49 PM No.64025416
>They literally only used it for toys.
Still a Wheel and uses the mecanism of a wheel.
They simply didnt create wagons because there were no pack animals like horses.
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 9:41:23 PM No.64025776
>>64025294
S O V L
Anonymous
7/24/2025, 11:42:18 PM No.64026186
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>>64025294
That's actually dope as fuck.
Reminds me of this painting in our lunch room
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 12:48:29 AM No.64026441
>>64016364
Da Iggles
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:06:36 AM No.64026493
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>>64023331
>Quite literally normal laws do not apply to them and they are free to assrape anyone they can.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:49:19 AM No.64027308
>>64024550
>Well they did invent wheels but it doesn't count because they didn't use them on horse drawn carriages
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:52:27 AM No.64027313
>>64024395
The Olmec and some of the surrounding groups had low grade iron working. The pacific North west coastal natives adopted rudimentary iron working from Japanese shipwrecks.