SIG has dug themselves into a pretty deep pit, I see this ending one of two ways.

1. The existing contract with the US military is going to have to be renegotiated, and SIG will have to "fix" the 320 and will end up losing a ton of money trying to fulfill their end of the deal.

2. The military will release SIG from the contract and adopt a new pistol instead.

In the 'what if' scenario of a new pistol being adopted, what do you think it would be? Would they just use an updated beretta variant with optics plates and rail and whatnot?

I feel like Sig has attempted to fix the 320 so many times at this point that the design is just unfixable without a major redesign of the safety mechanisms.

>>64024505 (OP)
Just a year ago people were praising SIGs as the best handgun makers in the planet...so what happened did people shoot their balls or something

>>64024513
Sig fan boys keep ending up being shot. There's not too many of them left now. The mysterious assassin known as ghost of SIG has never been identified. He moved so fast he doesn't even show up on videos of these shooting incidents.

>>64024505 (OP)
I would imagine #2 would only be instigated by the military side. The prestige hit from that would decimate them

>>64024505 (OP)
Idk but fuck this new age Sig and the horse they rode in on. Bunch of incompetent fucks have done nothing but drag a good brand through the mud.

Telling you, if we can't even figure out a damn sidearm, we've lost whatever cold war we're in.

Getting rid of the M17/M18 in its entirety will be a huge morale blow, because it shows we can't even get something very basic right.

>>64024551
Will we still have "lost" this cold war once we figure out the issue?

>>64024509
What about the P365? Nobody has problems with that model. Just make the P320 be like the P365.

>>64024656
Buddy it's been almost 10 years of Sig denying something is wrong with the design. Corruption exists in the procurement process and that's the real problem.

>>64024551
hello I am John Demoralized from Idaho oblast, and I am of agreeings, the issues with the sig p320 are clearly the turning point for our evil american HATO empire to collapse

>>64024689
It's not the Russians, they're too retarded for that type of bait.
Clearly Chinese Communists are making this shit.

>>64024669
They're two different designs. The P365 was designed from the ground up with lessons learned from the P320. The P320 is a hammer fired gun with a striker assembly hamfisted into an already existing design.

>>64024669
the p365 apparently breaks trigger return springs every few thousand rounds. not the most ideal feature for a military pistol.

>>64024513
Shills and retards did.
Even the 22x line weren't great, they were stamped trash, then they switched to milled, and were ok for a few years (even though the plastic grips were fucking dogshit always) and then after a few years(late 90s) they started skimping on quality.

>>64024669
An entire 10k batch of early 365s had overly-hardendd strikers that shattered during use.
Current 365s are having springs in the trigger assembly break in as little as 100 rounds.

>>64024509
The root problem is they tried to cram a striker assembly inside a DAo hammer slide. I'm pretty sure that's why the firing pin safety is such a retarded design. They were saving money by making it fit without milling the slide differently.
>>64024669
Its a more conventional design and uses the same kind of firing pin safety that other pistols do. They dont have an issue going off. But they do have QC issues like most Sigs.

>>64024513
Not really, constant complaints about parts made in India and having customers be guinea pigs for each new product until it gets fixed with the next version/s

>>64024762
Also making a slide frame fit with more vertical play in it than there is contact surface on the sear was an...
... interesting choice.

>>64024521
If they do give up on M17/M18 and Sig's reputation hits rock bottom, wouldn't that also put the M7 and M250 into question? I don't think they'll drop Sig just for that reason, suddenly the past decade of small-arms boondoggle is invalid and people could be held responsible.

Also, history suggests it tends to take DoD longer to just abandon a loser. As long as they think one more fix, one more program, one more contract to polish whatever turd they've got will be cheaper than starting over, they'll do it.

>>64024773
On top of that there's also a lot of variance in sear engagement between poor QC, slop in the modular parts as well as slop in the slide to frame clearance like you said. I think the discharges come down to a combination of the above making it so the sear can get tripped on some guns without pulling the trigger and the firing pin safety failing. I wonder how many guns have just one of those problems? How many drop the sear all the time but the safety works so when you draw you have a dead trigger? And how many have a working sear but secretly don't have a functioning firing pin safety? That's like buying a car they forgot to install air bags in. You'll never know unless you get in an accident and then you're dead.

>>64024505 (OP)
>Will the SIG 320 be replaced?
No, but SIG itself will be lol

>>64024505 (OP)
That which is eternal cannot die.

>>64024689
>sig p320 are clearly the turning point for our evil american HATO empire to collapse

It is, just like the oligarchs that gutted Russia when the USSR collapsed. Ron Cohen is just another oligarch working with corrupt military men to turn a profit.

>>64024513
Sig owners literally kept getting shot

>>64024827
Yeah, it's a matter of "a pistol isn't hard to source" and "pistols aren't important, so they can just carry on an empty chamber."

>>64024505 (OP)
Government is only about saving money at last on paper/pr, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXDuKQF9kU

It's very unlikely that the 320 will be replaced. While it has never been this bad, the government usually makes the manufacturer fix the faulty equipment. It would fall under the "servicing and repair" parts of their contractual obligations

>>64026338
So all of those fags giving me shit for carrying on an empty chamber will now be crowing about how it's the new meta and that's what badass operators do?

>>64024727
I have a newer 365xl. Less than 1000 rounds but more than 700 no issues so far. Should I replace my trigger return spring? All the 320 stuff makes me scared but I love my 365 and how it shoots/feels it's my daily CC

>>64028615
Yeah. I'll be laughing too cause they're always like
>Muh reaction time
>What if you do end up in a shooting
>But you can't do it one handed
>Okay even if you could, it's all lucky

>>64028646
Buy a new one ahead of time, preferably a higher grade aftermarket one if you can, and just swap it when it's time. Treat it like the CZ pin

>>64028655
any suggestions on brand? I've honestly only just heard about the spring issues. Might preemptively change it out, wouldn't want it to fail if I need to use it for self defense

>>64028663
ISMI's +10% spring has been reported to be good up to 5k rounds however I don't think anyone has reported pushing it to failure. These springs are just really cheap overall, like they are all less than 20 bucks, so try them out and use the one that's best for you. Just make sure that it's one made from chrome silicon

>>64028770
wow $9 isn't bad at all. I'm gonna order one and try to replace the stock spring asap

>>64024505 (OP)
If the military does release SIG they will probably chose the glock as it was number 2.

>>64024669
P365 is having some issues, but nothing like the P320 at all

>>64024551
Anon this isn't the first time. The AR platform was directly sabatoged and it didn't result in the US losing the cold war

>>64024669
>Nobody has problems with that model.
Aside from the dead triggers and breaking trigger springs kek. They're a trash company selling overpriced MIM garbage to morons

>>64028615
No we will still give you shit. The military fucking up the procurement of reliable firearms doesn't make you carrying cold less dumb. You could have purchased a reliable handgun instead but here we are.

>>64024551
Nothing like this has ever happened before and I am demoralized. The US is truly finished.

one less sigger

>>64028934
Go back and shill your troon hole in hg