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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 11:33:01 PM No.64030448
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Pistol only guy here who runs suppressed. Looking into a long gun and found pic rel with an integrated suppressor.

Do yall think this is a worthy purchase?
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Lube
7/25/2025, 11:50:20 PM No.64030505
>>64030448 (OP)
Start normal, get a Tikka or Bergara in 308 or 6.5. Those integrated are often fancy hunting guns here like the ones made by Blaser
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 11:50:27 PM No.64030506
>>64030448 (OP)
Anon, in general these discussions are way lower quality (assuming this isn't some fucking bot yet again) if you don't actually say where you are and what you specifically want to use it for, under what conditions.

Anyway hadn't heard of an integral version of the M18 before, looks like a europe gun? From an American perspective, and while I love integral suppressed stuff, in a rifle form factor I'm not seeing a real advantage at initial glance vs a Tikka T3X with a separate can. Particularly once stamp costs go to $0 next year. Barrels wear at a very different rate from suppressors in typical center fire calibers, to an extent that matters far more than a typical pistol where the whole thing effectively lasts forever. 6.5cm barrel life for PRS is typically around 3000-4500 rounds depending on firing schedule, and maybe more like 6-7k for hunting, whereas a suppressor can last tens of thousands of rounds. One might also want to change calibers, move to a different chassis, have different barrel lengths or contours/materials for different usage, etc. Integral makes all that harder.

All that said, the M18s have always been ok enough hunting guns. Assuming the suppression was competent vs cans (worth noting that 30cal has pretty wide variations in performance if you look at pew science or similar measurements), and you're ok not having any rail built-in, it's a tidy looking package.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:02:07 AM No.64030538
>>64030505
>>64030506
thanks guys.

i'm in florida and want suppressed because guns are fucking loud and i hate loud noises. i want a long gun to practice precision shooting with the secondary use a shit hits the fan weapon with a suppressor because i don't want to give away my position so easily. i plan on getting a nice thermal scope but that's a whole other discussion
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Lube
7/26/2025, 12:11:05 AM No.64030558
>>64030538
Suppressed is loud too. Just invest into better than trash tier ear protection and you can shoot whatever you like. I get headach when wearing crap protection during IPSC so i never did that again.
In your case i would recommend a AR15 before a rifle desu, than check out Tika T3, Bergara HMR or Bergara HMR PRO 6.5 with heavy barrel. Cant go wrong with those. Budget scope Arken EP5 or SH4, whatever you can afford.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:13:35 AM No.64030566
>>64030538
OK, then don't get that. Get a tikka t3x in 6.5 with some top rail, go to pew science and look at the rankings for 30cal can performance at the shooter's ear then pick something in the 80% range or your budget, a decent basic athlon/burris/meopta or the like value optic with top mag of 2-3x per 100yd or more, a decent mono scope mount, and a decent bipod (a harris is fine). That'll take you a very long ways, by the time you get to the point of being beyond it (if you ever do) you'll have a solid idea of what you're after for upgrades.

And yes a bunch of your stuff is silly larp and maybe bait but wanting a decent suppressed rifle and to try out some PRS is based so I hope you do get something and have fun. I love shooting bolts myself.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:16:04 AM No.64030573
>>64030558
>Suppressed is loud too.
Yes, but
>Just invest into better than trash tier ear protection and you can shoot whatever you like. I get headach when wearing crap protection during IPSC so i never did that again.
No, this is dumb. Some decent earpro combined with suppression is enormously more pleasant if you're shooting a lot, gives you more room for user error, and is more polite to neighbors (when shooting on your own land) and other land users (on public land).

The suppressor market in America is going to explode next year as well. It will be the first time basically in American history where we'll be able to have actual cheap cans at long last.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:19:24 AM No.64030583
>>64030566
also get an mrad/mils reticle if you haven't already put in a lot of time learning a moa one. It'll make your life easier long term, not because of any inherent impossibility of using moa for very accurate shooting but just as a practical market matter of mils have ended up more standardized in that usage and thus there are a lot of cool reticles and scope options that use them that don't have moa versions at all.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:33:29 AM No.64030620
>>64030573
Not too cheap, you'll still need an 07 FFL to manufacture suppressors for sale, so there's still going to be a suppressor mafia that can charge whatever they feel like.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:40:50 AM No.64030640
>>64030620
>07 FFL + SOT
These are cheap as fuck anon. The FFL for a manufacturer is $50/year and the SOT is $1000 a year, unless you're doing under a half million bucks in revenue in which case it's only $500 a year. It's an absolute nothing burger on the scale of business expenses.

And the "oil filters" thing that was going on for awhile anon clearly demonstrated that the raw material and manufacturing cost can be down around $40/can, which makes sense given that much steel is basically free and some simple machining is easy. Even if we double or more that for a licensed American "manufacturer" (order almost done stuff from china, drill hole in middle) that'd still give us $80-120 cans. And I expect innovation to happen pretty fast over the first few years and competition. It'll be a massive change in the market dynamics.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 12:53:16 AM No.64030675
>>64030640
It's not the cost, it's that the ATF isn't required to approve FFL applications in any specific amount of time, so they can (and will) just sit on them and not allow any newcomers to the club.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:01:05 AM No.64030706
>>64030675
That's not going to happen under this administration though. A future democrat one might try but I think the train will have sailed by then, there will be no stuffing the cheap suppressor genie back into the fat lady.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:18:02 AM No.64030767
>>64030706
>That's not going to happen under this administration though
This administration has proven that it's entirely on board with legislative capture, just look at the deal they brokered with Rare Breed.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:21:56 AM No.64030776
>>64030448 (OP)
wow that looks nice, like some thought was put into it's design. It's crazy how rare that quality is nowadays. What gun though?
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:23:39 AM No.64030781
>>64030448 (OP)
>$26000
nevermind
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:24:33 AM No.64030783
>>64030767
But the number of mega companies and manufacturers that could jump in that don't both right now completely outweighs the entire current suppressor industry in bribe potential. No way they allow it to pass them by for such a dumb reason.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:35:48 AM No.64030819
>>64030783
Mega companies will be in the market, but what makes you think they will get cheaper? Competition only brings prices down when someone starts undercutting.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:43:28 AM No.64030844
>>64030819
Because the floor price is so low (like, $10-20) that you can make humongous profit margins at a fraction of current prices. Megamanufacturers don't care about individual sales price they're interested in total addressable market at mass scale. The US firearms market is ginormous overall but the vast majority by numbers do not current have suppressors, too expensive. But if they could get a can from a big brand they already know for $50-100 instead of $500-1000 the potential customer base will be far larger, even if the price per person is lower, and more people would also buy multiples. So yeah:
>Competition only brings prices down when someone starts undercutting.
Sure, but there is every reason to do so immediately. Nobody is going to leave all that money on the table.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:07:44 AM No.64030910
>>64030844
When there's a limited number of manufacturers involved, everyone knows that they have the option of selling their part that costs $20 to make for $1000, or triggering a price war that brings the cost down to $30, requiring them to sell 98x as many units to make the same amount of profit. The market for suppressors is fairly large and will get much larger, but it's not infinitely large.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:21:55 AM No.64030958
>>64030538
Bow or crossbow,cqc, and traps are the most silent you will be able to get. Long gun one shot far away change position.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:28:41 AM No.64030988
>>64030910
The total addressable market for suppressors is close to the same size as the entire American rifle market and some chunk of handguns, if they were free or close enough there'd be little reason not to have at least a small one. Now, I will acknowledge there is still the barrier of setting up for eforms, though apps and such now make that very convenient. I will also acknowledge that a solid percentage of the US will remain shutoff for now because they live in one of the 8 shit states where they are banned.

Nevertheless, from what I can find from 2021 to 2024 "only" about 1 million suppressors were sold. Which is actually an enormous and happy increase from previous years, yet simultaneously the average number of guns sold PER YEAR was like 16 to 23 million. So like 60-80x the number of suppressors. That's a big gap, and that is what will attract majors if they think it's becoming exploitable.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:31:28 AM No.64030999
>>64030573
It's so nice when you're shooting and everyone has a can. Just so much more pleasant especially if you're trying to shoot groups or something or are indoors.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:35:37 AM No.64031013
>>64030988
>The total addressable market for suppressors is close to the same size as the entire American rifle market and some chunk of handguns
That's bullshit, most gun owners didn't buy suppressors even before they were regulated. A large portion of the rifle owner market has no interest in suppressors.

>So like 60-80x the number of suppressors
So not enough to justify a 90+% reduction in profit per unit.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:52:50 AM No.64031074
>>64030573
I double up on ear health. Got in ear and then I have my over ears. I can hear everything still.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:53:34 AM No.64031078
>>64030640
You're delusional if you think cans will be that cheap. They're gonna probably drop to closer to $350-400, which is nothing to sneeze at.
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eatshit !!cUsmMsHl1bo
7/26/2025, 2:55:43 AM No.64031084
>>64030448 (OP)
go somewhere and fingerfuck one. and if it fits, get it. make sure you don't get it in a trick caliber that you can't find easily locally, and whatever optic you put on it should cost as much or more than the gun. good luck.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:57:48 AM No.64031097
>>64031078
your delusional if you think cheapass heavy cans wont be under 100. the premium brands might be able to keep pricing at 300-400 but a bunch of cheap shit will pop up. 5 bucks in material and 45-bucks in profit isnt bad.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 2:58:41 AM No.64031100
>>64030448 (OP)
Get a well made rifle from Howa, Tikka, Sako, Bergara etc that has a 16-20" threaded barrel. If long range performance is your priority, go 6.5cm. If suppression and subsonic loads are your priority, look for a 300blackout. Add a suppressor and you'll have a nice versatile bolt gun.

The one you posted is very cool but it's a specialized rifle and you'll know when you need it.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 3:02:07 AM No.64031112
>>64031097
The only way cans get to $50 or below is if the GOA succeeds in getting the NFA repealed and anyone can sell them on etsy.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 3:09:35 AM No.64031137
>>64031097
Retard, the democrats will 100% bump the price up way past $200 as soon as they retake congress in some omnibus budget bill that Trump (or some democrat president if we hit 2029 before then) will sign because he doesn't care about gun rights. Our only hope is getting the NFA declared unconstitutional before then, and that's a big maybe because the SC probably doesn't want to upset the apple cart on the NFA precedent they've had for nearly a century. Better buy your cans and NFA items while you can, because most likely we are gonna get fucked 2 years from now.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 3:32:45 AM No.64031256
>>64031137
>the democrats will 100% bump the price up way past $200 as soon as they retake congress
Joke's on them, I'll already have 100,000,000 form 1s by then.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 4:10:00 AM No.64031371
>>64031013
Oh, you're just retarded, well nevermind then.
>That's bullshit, most gun owners didn't buy suppressors even before they were regulated
lol? Maxim's patents expired in 1929, and the NFA was passed in 1934. This was smack dab in the middle of the fucking GREAT DEPRESSION. And somehow you think the gun market (and overall market) today is identical to the 5 year window back then? ffs
>A large portion of the rifle owner market has no interest in suppressors.
Some serious projection going on here.
>>So like 60-80x the number of suppressors
>So not enough to justify a 90+% reduction in profit per unit.
Holy shit are you dumb. In your world cheap optics or guns or cars or furniture or beer mean expensive ones must not exist!
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 4:13:05 AM No.64031379
>>64031137
Doomer retard. Dems aren't going to do shit, it's an absolute non-issue to most of them except that there are a few from suppressor and gun friendly states and they're not going to burn political capital on something that is good sense and the vast super majority of the normal population doesn't care about. Would democrats try to keep machine guns banned? Yeah definitely, but the only way they take the Senate is taking at least a couple reddish-purple states, it's impossible otherwise. That's going to restrict them pretty severely. And they've got a billion other more pressing things to care about.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:05:17 AM No.64031559
>>64031137
You lost with BBB my guy. You think everyone here has a goldfish memory. Your faggot ass got so humiliated and defeated you resorted to shilling on /v/. We won fucker.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:06:18 AM No.64031561
>>64031137
Also sucks to be a third-worlder.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:25:56 AM No.64031629
>>64031559
>>64031561
Fuckin got 'em lmao. Btfo.
>>64031137
How will you ever recover?
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:37:32 AM No.64031656
>>64031371
>lol? Maxim's patents expired in 1929, and the NFA was passed in 1934
And how many suppressors were sold in the 25 years they were on the market?

>In your world cheap optics or guns or cars or furniture or beer mean expensive ones must not exist!
It's not illegal to sell optics, guns, cars, furniture, or beer (well, sort of, alcohol is a similar situation but about 90 years further along) you make yourself.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:44:26 PM No.64033247
>>64031656
>And how many suppressors were sold in the 25 years they were on the market?
You tell me, and then compare that to inflation adjusted per capita disposable income vs the price then (mostly under a monopoly, primitive manufacturing) and now, the general gun market, general care about and knowledge of personal health, etc.