Does the concept of a silent "assault rifle" or a silent "sniper" work as it is intended?

Seems okay. Its a pretty narrow remit, exclusively sentry removal and counter terror roles.

>>64032002 (OP)
The same people who shit talk this gun will basedface over 8.6 blackout and 338arc

>>64032002 (OP)
Imagine the cheapest rifle you can possibly make.
There it is. Congratulations comrade.
If it could be made cheaper, it would be.

>>64032079
It was. The VSK and 9A91 were designed as cheaper equivalents.

>>64032002 (OP)
The VSS was just the world's first iteration of the subsonic rifle concept. This concept was perfected with the invention of .300blk.

>>64032079
ok bro. thanks your your noncontribution

>>64032002 (OP)
9x39's a cool guy. Eh shoots big and quiet and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>64032002 (OP)
it's probably fine but an AR platform in 300 blackout and a beefy suppresor is better due to modularity alone

>>64032079
9a91 takes the gold

>>64032002 (OP)
These pieces of shit are hopelessly antiquated in the modern day

>>64032239
Id say theyd still do the job they were designed for well enough, its just not relevant because any criminal or insurgent who is electing to wear body armor isn't just going to wear a soviet-era flak jacket, he going to wear plates.

>>64032002 (OP)
9x39mm has the power and trajectory of .45 ACP and the rifle has a shorter barrel than a fullsize 1911 before porting. it's also >2MOA with its "sniper" ammo, double that with AP. the AP ammo can't go through even a basic LVL 3 plate. the whole gun is rated only for 1500 shots total and runs very dirty, with typical poor russian rust protection and corrosive ammo, requiring constant meticulous cleaning.

it's basically a different take on the MP5SD with the added ability to punch through helmets.

>>64032002 (OP)
>Does the concept of a silent "assault rifle" or a silent "sniper" work as it is intended?
It was made for a very specific use-case of having a weapon for fighting against insurgency in Chechnya. Where using a regular AK sucked dick, even if it was equipped with a suppressor and some optics. And using AKS-74u was even worse. Outside of that it's not something good.

>>64032002 (OP)
It's a specialty gun for basically police/counter-terrorist work, and its niche is "suppressed subsonic ammo, but can punch through soft armor and some early Russian plates".
In a peer conflict it's distinctly inferior to a regular AK.

>>64032167
.300 blackout is a retarded meme cartridge

>>64032256
>9x39mm has the power of .45 ACP
Its about double the energy, while being intentionally subsonic. The only .45s that match it or surpass it are the low mass supersonic loads.

for me, it's the SR-3...

>>64032327
so is 9x39
and this pistol barrel length contraption fitted with some tack welded washers and a Chinese knockoff maglite handle for a barrel shroud.
Put together by the dodgiest vodka swigging Russian in Tula.

>>64032334
Idk why the SR-3M got rid of the MP5-style charging handle placement, seems like a step back.

>>64032334
>>64032337
Is that a funking BOLTER?

>>64032345
It's an ORK SHOOTYBLASTA

>>64032342
It's not an MP5-style charging handle, which actually has a decent amount of surface area for you to grip - it's a vz. 61 Skorpion one, where it's two charging "nubs" that you have to grip and pull back, which is pretty shit ergonomically
It was only done on the original SR-3 (and the Skorpion) to make it as slim as possible, so it could be carried concealed under clothing (or in a holster in the Skorpion's case) and you don't have anything sticking out and potentially snagging when you pull it out. Same reason for switching from the side-folding stock to a top-folding one, which doesn't double the width of the gun when folded up.

For the SR-3M, they were moving away from this concept (and desu, even as small as it is, it still seems of dubious utility to carry it concealed, although it'd look pretty cool to have something like the famous Reagan assassination attempt photo but with a guy whipping out one of these from underneath his coat), and more towards just an AS Val without the suppressor - so they essentially just reverted a bunch of the changes and went back to the regular Val features

>>64032379

>>64032102
>This concept was perfected with the invention of .300blk.
We have daily threads from niche caliber nerds that would dispute this notion, and even among them there's isn't consensus over what is the best.
.300 BLK and subsonic 7.62x39 aren't perfection, they're the good enough solution that requires the least adjustment and lowest cost for either military logistics or the civilian market.

>>64032511
>subsonic 7.62x39
There's no such thing that reliably cycles an AK. Look it up. 300blk was truly the first to do the semi auto subsonic rifle thing, after 9x39mm.

>>64032524
>There's no such thing that reliably cycles an AK.

Wrong.

>>64032330
>Its about double the energy,
it's not, .45 +P out of a full size barrel will easily match or exceed it while also staying subsonic.

>>64032002 (OP)
it walked so 300 blackout could can

>>64032017
>and counter terror roles
Lol look at this cuck.

A 300 BO with a suppressor fills the role of close range urban sniper pretty well. These guns were not intended for open warfare but limited engagements where you didn't want a lot of noise or overpenetration.

>>64032540
That stuff probably doesn't work. It's only for bolt actions.

>>64032791
What fucking bolt actions in 7.62x39 did the USSR field in the 1960s?
It's specifically for the AKM with the PBS-1 you retard.

>>64032002 (OP)
The design of the silencer is extremely dated. A purpose built suppressed smg would be lighter and do pretty much the same thing.
>>64032791
I used to shoot subsonic154 grain tula all the time before sanctions

So what happened to that dude who was cooking up shitty $6k VSS clones? Haven't heard news for months

>>64032866
Too much meth and penis

>>64032816
Well then, I guess that gun and suppressor was made after the Val and VSS was.

>>64032899
Try ~30 years earlier.
Do you have some kind special training routine for being completely wrong about everything all the time or does it come naturally for you?

>>64032102
>The VSS was just the world's first iteration of the subsonic rifle concept.
?

>>64032002 (OP)
It works better than it was intended to.
>Meant to dink through a PASGT
>Modern projectile beats III plates while remaining subsonic

>Meant for single shot precision
>Recoil so smooth and barrel is so short, you can snipe by firing bursts, and PDWs in the caliber are small and deadly.

>Meant for sneaky takedowns
>No report, no muzzle flash, and full auto with little recoil, compact size, you can seamlessly go from taking out defenders on approach to clearing rooms.

They just need to update the suppressor to 21st century and de-gas the design a bit.

>>64033062
>beats III plates
LOL. LMAO even.

>>64033006
inherently subsonic pistol cartridge

>>64032002 (OP)
It has a pretty narrow role with special forces and urban warfare.

>>64032023
This too. I think they're honestly better hunting guns than military weapons.

>>64032860
>The design of the silencer is extremely dated.
Lmao that's putting it mildly. It's extraordinarily crude even compared to Maxim's very first silencers from the early 1900s.

>>64032337
I love that foregrip

>>64032791
What the fuck are you talking about wartourist anon?

It's a cool looking and original gun, pretty innovative at its time (event though the MP5SD already existed by then).

Other than that, it's hard to say how effective it was at its role considering how specific its use was, and I guess only Russian operators or weapons specialists could tell us how it really performed on the field.

Of course, nowadays any .300BLK suppressed SBR surpasses it by a longshot.

>>64032524
>.300blk was truly the first to do the semi auto subsonic rifle thing
>after 9x39
Are you retarded?

>>64034021
Its use isn't that specific. It's fighting in a shitload of these.

>>64032002 (OP)
>Does the concept of a silent "assault rifle" or a silent "sniper" work as it is intended?
IRL or in-game? Because it does all right in-game (less so in 2, but that's more of an issue with the absurdly short spawn ranges).

>>64032002 (OP)
this gun sucks ass in dayZ lol

low effective range

low damage

ammo is hard to find

this gun kicks ass in PUBG lol

medium effective range

high damage

ammo is easy to find

how can your puny capitalist suppressors compete with this marvel of soviet engineering?

>>64032327
no U

>>64032102
.300 Blackout wasn't invented, it's a copy of the .300 Whisper (.221 Fireball necked up to .30 cal).
And it certainly isn't the final end all, be all of subsonic cartridges. Since they are all limited by velocity, they scale with mass and so you end up with stuff like .338 Whisper (also copied, resulting in 8.6 BLK), 9x39, .510 Whisper and 12.7x55.

>>64032345
>>64032347
Kys warzigger, stay on your containment board

>>64032002 (OP)
The 4th worlders from Donbabwe and Lughanda have complained a lot about both, their biggest gripe is that the ammo they were issued, not SP6, was absolutely useless against Ukrainian body armor. Plus a lot of bullet drop after 200m.

>>64034228
Hiram Percy Maxim could've designed a better suppressor than this, with 1900s technology.

>>64032327
So does that mean that the SEALS are retarded for adopting this cartridge? No..... wait.... nevermind. The SEALs are retarded. That has been a established consensus here.

Gun is a lot of fun in PUBG. You can fuck some squads up before they figure it out. Load it out with an auto pistol. Like 300 rounds of 9mm and you are golden. It can get hard finding 9mm at the last 10, but I've won some chicken dinners.

>>64033831
>carbine
>/ˈkɑːbʌJn/
>A short rifle or musket used by cavalry

its a SWAT/Counter-Terror weapon, its pretty trash in open warfare.

>>64034408
PC or console? FPP or TPP?

>>64034611
Exactly, it should be more regarded as an integrally suppressed submachinegun than an actual compact assault rifle.