Since 90% of Ukraine forces are concentrated towards the east near the front lines, why doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus or a amphibious landing from the sea in the south? Or even another Air Assault?
Serious /k/ analysis only pls, I'm not looking for NAFO reddit memes

>>64038540 (OP)
Ratnik gear was so kino, it's such a shame Russia has gone over to mostly multicam slop nowadays like everyone else

With what

Donkeys?

>>64038546
its dogshit chink repros are made better yet the gear still sucks

>>64038540 (OP)
>Dollar-store D-day
>Markdown Market-Garden
oh god yes please

>>64038540 (OP)
because 90% of Russia's army is also concentrated in the east

>>64038540 (OP)
Well there are a couple of things to consider for each of those but to start off with amphibious landings on any meaningful scale are super, duper hard. Unless if you follow up with large scale air support and consistent resupply there is a very good chance that you will just get a repeat of Hostomel where units are isolated and then just fucked over and over with artillery until they become combat ineffective even by Russian standards. Air assaults like the one in Hostomel only worked because during the early stages of the war both the Ukrainian and Russian forces for the most part had no clue what the fuck was going on and if you tried it now there is a very good chance that you will just get shot down by one of the many AD systems that saturate the frontlines although you can maybe do some SF raids on isolated positions but nothing on a meaningful scale. Going through Belarus is a political risk because whilst Belarus can be used to store equipment and launch missiles but that mostly isolates the Belarussian society from the war but if you started rolling out columns to Ukraine and brought back truckloads of dead and dying there is a real chance you could see a rollback of the influence operations that Russia has had going on in Belarus for the past twenty years. The other issue with attacking from Belarus is that Ukraine has had aeons to prepare defensive positions and unlike in the active parts of the frontline everything from minefields to ATGM positions and pre-zeroed artillery is cohesive and ready to go and hasn't been attrited by years of bombardment and if you were to give it a shot you'd have to invest a lot of resources to make anything happen. Yet another issue is that a lot of Russian units like the 155th marines are essentially the brigade of Theseus where the brigade has been rebuilt like five times over and are incapable of any actually complex maneuvers beyond assaulting a single position via light infantry in treelines.

>>64038540 (OP)
Kind of abstracted, but the war (like a lot of wars) started out very simple. Or at least the plan as to what was supposed to happen was simple on paper. But reality is complex, and once you lose momentum, the difficulties accumulate in war over time to lower the overall level of performance of an army. There are lots of little things that compound over time from exhaustion to destruction and deterioration of equipment, to the enemy digging in harder, which requires more ammunition, but there's never enough ammunition, because X number of trucks are blown up 20 kilometers behind the front line by drones every day. It turns into a slog and the entire logistics system becomes consumed with merely sustaining the army to keep it from collapsing.

This is why things like momentum, tempo Tempo TEMPO (!!!), and the element of surprise are so important.

See this:
https://youtu.be/QbEpXceeHoM

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia
It's always the same answer to this question.
Doesn't really matter the topic, when you want to know why Russia doesn't just...

You're a retard, but I'll entertain your retardation.
The first thing that happens, is that by pulling your men from the front and putting them on a train to belarus, you're weakening your lines. Pull x% of your men from wherever they are, and suddenly the ukies will have x% fewer men to shoot at them.

>ah ah! but anon, they're in belarus now! they're already assaulting the ukrops from the north
no, they're still on a fucking train, you donkey. Moving tens of thousands of men takes a long ass time, unless the russians have invented teleportation. For all the time it takes to move your men from one front to another, the ukrainians will have much greater freedom.
>ok, what if i move them very very slowly. take 10 men from donetsk. put 10 men in the north. then 10 more, and so on. As soon they get there, they start trying to advance
that would work but now you've lost the element of surprise. You're slowly mounting the pressure little by little, and the enemy will be increasing their defenses little by little. You have gained nothing.

It's not that there is absolutely no merit to opening another front, it's that there has to be a weakness to be exploited for it to work.
>there are no men there
isn't a weakness, because you also got no men there. Unless you can move significantly faster than your enemy, or the new front in some way favors you more than them, you're not going to gain an advantage.

>>64038540 (OP)
The Ukrainians have been fortifying the border with Belarus for years at this point. They know full well about the threat of an invasion from that direction. Even if Russia could somehow find enough troops for a proper invasion force, and managed to amass that force in Belarus while avoiding detection (lol no), they wouldn't get deep enough into Ukrainian territory to accomplish anywhere before the Ukrainians could pull troops to reinforce the garrison up there and halt their advance.

As for air assaults or an amphibious landing, the time for that was back in early 2022. Ukraine has more than enough anti-air and anti-naval assets to make any kind of air or amphib assault suicidal.

Not to mention that potato man doesn't want to get dragged into this war, which is a serious risk if the Ukrainians have to fight into Belarusian territory to stop an invasion from that direction. He is unlikely to be cooperative with a new Russian front opening on his doorstep.

>>64038540 (OP)
Do you want to see another round of Russkies getting absolutely whacked or what? In any case it's not happening because Russian army is a complete embarrassment and couldn't accomplish anything that even resembles anything you wish for even in 2022. Their "elite" VDV got routed by territorial defense units.

>>64038540 (OP)
>invasion from Belarus
Luka would be overthrown without Russian forces backing him up, and if I recall correctly the border between Ukraine and Belarus is one of the most heavily mined borders in the world right now.

>amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
The Russian navy can't even muster enough force to defend itself outside the sea of Azov, attempting an opposed landing would result in tens of thousands of casualties within a few weeks as well as the destruction of what little is left of the black sea fleet.

>>64038540 (OP)
I will be generous and assume that you are genuinely curious.
>amphibious landing from the sea in the south
The Black Sea is in NO state to seriously contest the waters around Odesa, much less support a sustained military effort.
Doing so anyways would result in the complete degradation of the Black Sea Fleet, likely seeing most of their remaining combat ships sunk.
>Air assault
In Russian doctrine (based on earlier Soviet doctrine), air assaults are an opening gambit, to be done at the start of hostilities, before the enemy nation or group has mobilized. See Afghanistan, Czechia, or Hostomel.
At this stage in hostilities, a massed air assault without air supremacy AND real destruction of Ukrainian air defenses would be near-suicide.
>Invasion of Belarus
This is the most credible one, but still very unlikely. Short answer is: Logistical support for any Russian campaign would be more difficult, while being easier for the Ukrainians.

>>64038540 (OP)
>Serious /k/ analysis only pls, I'm not looking for NAFO reddit memes
>bazillionth "w-why hasn't Russia" (implying it totally could and hasn't already tried & failed)
You are the reddit meme, retard. You have no self-awareness. Kill yourself for this faggot metodichka.

>>64038540 (OP)
>Amphibious assault
Let's fucking go, it's time to feed the maguras.

>>64038660
The VDV had three air assaults on day one, only the one at Hostomel failed. Antonov bridge, and Kakhovka were the other two VDV air assault and they succeeded and directed led to the Russian victory in Kherson. You haven't heard of these because it's easier to laugh at Hostomel. 2 out of 3 isn't bad considering the scale. I don't even blame the VDV at Hostomel, because they captured the airport easily, the problem was Russian command and their failure to reinforce the lightly armed assault group. Even the 300 page US army intelligence report that just came out a few days ago didn't blame the VDV, instead blaming Russian general staff. I'm not here to glaze the VDV or Russia, but as a military strategy appreciator I think saying they got "whacked" during the invasion is a bit obtuse, considering all I've previously stated. Anyways, feel free to not counter with any actual discourse and just accuse me of being a paid shill or posting some other low IQ meme

>>64038642
The army report anon >>64039219 is referring to said that the US was surprised and impressed with how incredibly fast russian forces can rotate massive amounts of troops, for example movie the north army group from the belarus border back to the russian interior, then to eastern ukraine front like in a matter of days. The russian army has significantly more manpower than afu, and ukraine is simply incapable of commiting any major offensives now due to manpower shortages, even if russia pulled a lot of men from the frontline, it would help relieve the pressure on the afu, but they still wouldn't be able to conduct a counteroffensive


>https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2025/07/11/f2b1e75e/how-russia-fights-a-compendium-of-troika-observations-on-russia-s-special-military-operations.pdf

>>64038540 (OP)
Because they utterly fail at any small river crossing much less from the sea you retard. Have you seen even one vid of them trying to cross a river? THE RIVER WINS PRO TIP.
Air assault would assault the ground at several hundred KpH because they cannot SEAD/DEAD.

>>64038540 (OP)
Same reason I am not married to Haruhi Suzumiya.

anyone got the map with the cope arrows coming from Trannynistria?

They can’t. Russia operates a peasant military. It doesn’t have the organizational ability to consider doing an invasion in any real degree outside of the low-intensity streams in the East they are already doing. What they are doing now is their absolute maximum effort.

>>64038540 (OP)
The border with Belarus is a mined hell hole under constant surveillance and its own force dedicated to maintaining it.

Similarly, the Black Sea is under constant surveillance and Ukraine's anti-ship missiles are no joke for Russian warships, let alone their very few amphibious carriers and cargo ships.

>>64039942
Lack of imagination.

>>64038540 (OP)
I’m surprised the Ukrainians haven’t taken Tranistria yet

>>64039981
Bit of an understatement, the naval portion of the Ukraine war is long over, with an Ukrainian victory.

>>64038665
Anon, that's not fair, they simply don't like being in boats lately.

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do a big operation from [anywhere they currently aren't]
They have proven themselves to be logistically incapable of driving to the capital of a bordering country (lol)
>or an amphibious landing
They lost like a third of their Black Sea fleet to a country with no maritime navy lmfao. I still wish they would though, that shit would be mad funny
>or even another Air Assault?
I think those guys died

>>64039219
Antonov bridge led to the original stupid "please box me" positions that LOST Mikolaev and Nova Kharkova. They traded Kherson for what looking at it from then till now? Another stupid "LOOK AT MY THING!" which is neither important nor useful.

>>64039981
>its own force dedicated to maintaining it
It's where they rotate units that need to regenerate from the other fronts, or so I was told. In practice I don't hear a lot about units being rotated. But it's definitely defended, just not by the A team.

>>64038540 (OP)
That's needlessly starts another front line. They'd be spreading themselves thin for no reason on the other hand Ukrainians are fine with getting rid of their entire population.

>>64040074
They lost one single ship lmfao

>>64038640
Everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face.

>>64040191
>on the other hand Ukrainians are fine with getting rid of their entire population.
Better to die fighting defending your country than be under Russian rule. Also, Russian MILITARY casualties outnumber Ukrainian casualties even when we include civvie casualties. Demographics wise, this war is more disastrous for Russia since they are steadily losing their fittest male population. Soon Russia will have to import Indian and African bulls to increase their population.

>>64040419

>>64040419
They have lost 1/3 of their entire Black Sea fleet at this point...

>>64040486
No, no, he's right. The Russians lost a single ship. The problem is, they then lost another single ship, then another, then another...

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64038540 (OP)
>Amphibious assault
Marines straight up refused and considered it suicidal during the initial invasion. There's no fleet to even perform an attack they'd be sunk like nothing. Not to mention dudes trained in amphibious assault aren't exactly plentiful anymore. Plus how would you support a beachhead when the entire point of it was to link up with troops in Kherson that also dont exist now.

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus
With what armor? With what logistical train? With what spare forces, because if they redirect forces from the current axis of advance, the Ukrainians will counterattack, you know? Kiev is also the site with the most AA to attack so the VKS, who has never executed a SEAD/DEAD campaign will either not show up, or show up and cease to exist on contact.
>amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
After the many surface combatants they have lost, the Black Sea fleet relocated to Novorossiysk. They no longer have the required air defense bubble required (since they lost their only Slava class cruiser in theater) nor the Ropucha landing vessels for it. Neither they have the air supremacy/superiority required to affect a landing, even if they had the naval infantry for it which has been attrited doing the job of the infantry. The naval war is firmly on Ukraine's hands.
>Or even another Air Assault?
As stated before, they don't have the required air supremacy/superiority required. This time they'd not even have the element of surprise. They'd get picked off en-route. It wouldn't even be like Hostomel or Bucha. It would be a slaughter.

As funny as it would be to watch them try something actually complex (and eventually fail), the Shoigun doesn't have the material his post-soviet army doesn't have competent enough officers to execute any of those harebrained plans, those are long dead. All that's left is soviet doctrine. Send mobiks over the top, until either there are no more mobiks or no more bullets to fend off said mobiks.

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64039994
Cutting gas to it and watching it collapse into anarchy was a savvier move. All of Ukraine's actions are restricted by optics. The resupply of Western systems hinges on a good PR so their hands are tied.

>>64039955
you're the idiot for ever believing that they would "accidentally" show a valid battle map on TV
that was always a false flag to get Ukraine to rotate troops away from the actual front

inb4 seething about muh reddit, muh nafo, muh eglin because the answers ITT don't reinforce OP's preconceived notions

>>64038665
>Ukraine and Belarus is one of the most heavily mined borders in the world right now.

Even more than demilitarized zone between koreas?
I thought Ukraine only recently retracted from that Ottawa treaty that made planting mines a no-no.

>>64038540 (OP)
SAy Belarus gets involved, you now have a multi-theatre war and Poland's already itching to bitch. Belarus is on Poland's shit list for inviting a bunch of thirdies in and trying to send them over Poland's border, and Poland already has troops ready to go. Does Belarus want to get fucked up?

>>64038540 (OP)

>>64039219
>because they captured the airport easily
No they didn't. They didn't capture it at all.

>>64038540 (OP)
>Since 90% of Ukraine forces are concentrated towards the east near the front lines, why doesn't Russia just do another invasion
Because 95% of whole ruzzian armed forces are concentrated towards the east near the front lines. Anything else?

>>64038540 (OP)
>another desperate invasion while every move you make is seen by 5 eyes
Lol do it

>Through Belarus
Right this is the border between Belarus and Ukraine. What immediately leaps out to you about it? One there's a real lack of decent roads, two there's lots of forested areas and trees and three there's lots of specs of blue.
What that should tell you is that that is very boggy, waterlogged ground with lots of positions open for ambush that your columns are not going to be able to bypass easily. It's highly defensible ground where attackers can be easily channelled into killboxes.
If you remember the early invasion you'll remember the 20 mile traffic jam to Kyiv. It would be like that, all over again wherever you go. Only this time Ukraine has shit like ATACMs to really fuck over a stalled out column.

>a amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
The black sea fleet doesn't have the capability to make an opposed landing and the Russian air force doesn't have the capability to secure air superiority, let alone supremacy. They've lost several assault ships, which seem to have been prioritised in the early war, probably to prevent any attempt at landing.

>Or even another Air Assault?
See above, re. air supremacy.

>>64043129
This, you'd assume they've not forgotten the fact that the US and UK intel agencies were calling out the invasion before large parts of the Russian leadership knew it was happening

>>64038540 (OP)
Logistics.

>>64038660
>Do you want to see another round of Russkies getting absolutely whacked or what?
yes

>>64038540 (OP)
What you are suggesting isn't wrong, it just isn't feasible.
In reality, what the Russians should do is fake an invasion from a Ukrainian area of weakness to force the Ukrainians to protect themselves.

>>64043179
>what the Russians should do is fake an invasion from a Ukrainian area of weakness
I think Ukraine assumed this is what the Belarusian border would always be used for.
Hence why they've fortified it so much that a few TDF and a QRF in the vicinity is enough to hold it and they haven't felt the need to respond to any of the "exercises" that have been held there in the last several years.

>>64038540 (OP)
Not enough expertise. The VDV basically got wiped out in the initial invasion and Russian Commanders died so fast it was practically a meme. The current bureaucracy struggles to maintain the status quo with badly coordinated assaults and lacking supplies. Ukraine also seems to have an intelligence advantage even cut off from US intel networks since they managed to hit Russian strategic bombers.

If Russia tries to launch a surprise attack it's going to take a long time and Ukraine will be able to set a trap. There's also a good chance any Amphibious invasion could suffer a massive accident since nobody knows how to run one.

>>64043234
>Ukraine also seems to have an intelligence advantage even cut off from US intel networks since they managed to hit Russian strategic bombers.
The bombers could probably still be easily located with French satellite intel and analysts working on the problem.

It's bold to say that Ukraine is cut off from US intel though.
Obviously officially but I've met several on-leave US glowies here and at least one of them was laying heavy hints about how CIA shell companies had taken over the official work and was doing it as an independent third party commercial operation that only employed staff who were now in the private sector thanks to DOGE.

>>64038546
fashion faggot lmao.

WHOS STILL A UNIT?
VDV
155 NAVAL UNIT

WHOS LEFT?

UKIE faggot

>>64043794
>155 NAVAL UNIT
Do you think the 155th got reconstituted again after all its leadership were wiped out in that one strike last month?

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus or a amphibious landing from the sea in the south
Yeehaw, comrades, I'm Ivan Ivanovsky from Moscow state and I approve this message. God bless our troops!

>>64043794
>155 NAVAL UNIT
Like... 16th reconstitution

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus
They tried it once, and it ended in a disastrous failure and a reckless loss of life and professional soldiers. If Russia starts massing troops in Belarus, allied satellites are going to see it happening and alert the Ukies.
>hy doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus or a amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
Odessa is a fortress now. Russia's initial plan was a naval invasion of the Odessa coast was scrapped due to all the mines out at sea combined with the precoordinated artillery Ukraine had already zeroed in.
>Or even another Air Assault?
Anti-air makes that impossible for both sides.

Everything you're asking, Russia has already tried and failed. Most of Russia's ships are on other side of the Black Sea due to valid fears of Ukrainian drones and missiles. Current Black Sea Fleet is basically combat ineffective. A large Air Assault would result in extreme casualties that Russia can't afford to waste.

>>64044375
>Anti-air makes that impossible for both sides.
It used to but there's been a noticeable uptick in Ukrainian videos throwing GBUs at Russian positions.
I think Russian AD is thinning out around the front and has more gaps than they used to.

>>64044477
I meant from a Russian perspective

>>64038540 (OP)
What does OP think Sumy was?

Also the RF have been trying to attack Kherson, it's not a very safe city rn.

>>64044477
With the lack of awacs and attrition of planes and the more uke planes in the skys its been a matter of time thing

>>64038639
Another thing to consider is that Belarus isn't a nuclear power nor is it important enough for destabilization to have a large impact on anything, and there also exists a recognized government-in-exile. The rest of the world would have zero issue with active measures to topple Lukashenko while Russia can't really afford to spare the manpower necessary to control the territory if he falls.

>>64044482
>I meant from a Russian perspective
Well the post I replied to which may or may not be you, said "for both sides".
I'm just saying that it seems to be Russia having more problems with air defences than Ukraine these days.
FABs are still being tossed around but not everywhere and not in fronts where Ukraine is advancing which is interesting.

>>64044494
I think the AWACS, coupled with the lossage of military radars near the front, is the big issue. Russia still has a LOT of airframes.

>>64044375
>A large Air Assault would result in extreme casualties that Russia can't afford to waste

You will never guess their plan.

>>64045138
They have frames for aircraft, little wording but BIG difference.

>>64045162
I would bet that if you ended up in a Russian military hospital, you would get mouse bites.

>>64045192
Or an American Josef Mengele with an aversion to being a test subject.

>>64041458
>we were just pretending to be retarded!

>>64038540 (OP)
>a amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
Considering it is vatniks we're talking about there is a non 0 chance that:
1) The entire operation never gets off the ground.
2) They end up landing in Turkey/Romania/Bulgaria or even Georgia, with hilarious consequences.
3) They end up somewhere in Crimea, somehow, resulting on a blue on blue.
4) All end up at the bottom of the Black Sea due to Ukrainian shore batteries, UAVs and Neptune batteries.
5) All end up at the bottom of the Black Sea due to their own incompetence at a kind of operation that they have never done before.
6) Somehow get to the beaches of Odessa, and still get repelled.
7) Somehow, by some divine intervention of some satanic/pagan deity they create a beachhead and however many troops managed to land starve in a couple of weeks due to the impossibility of getting resupplied by sea or air.

An amphibious landing operation, is one of the most complex to execute, and they don't even have air superiority. They don't even have the experience nor the institutional knowledge. They struggle even at fording creeks. It would be tantamount to suicide.

>>64040419
>one single ship
Moskova - Sunk
Minsk - Sunk/Major Damage (likely beyond repair)
Olenegorsky Cornyak - Damaged
Teezar Kunikov - Damaged
Novocherkassk - Destroyed
Azov - Damaged
Yamal - Lightly damaged
Admiral Makarov - Damaged
Admiral Essen - Lightly damaged
Pavis Derzhavin - Damaged
Sergey Kotov - Sunk
Saratov - Sunk
Ivan Khurs - Lightly damaged
Veliky Ustyug - Lightly damaged
Samum - Damaged
Vasily Dekh - Sunk
Askold - Significantly damaged (likely beyond financial repair)
Ivan Gobulets - Lightly damaged
Ivanovets - Sunk
Rostov-no-Don (submarine) - Damaged beyond financial repair (only not sunk due to location)
Tarantual - Sunk
D-144 - Sunk
D-199 - Sunk
Raptor Class Patrol Boats - 3 sunk, two damaged
D-310 - Sunk
D-106 - Sunk

No.

>>64045901
>Land in Bulgaria in 2026
>See that locals are using Euros
>Russian marines now think they somehow landed in Germany

>>64039219
What's the point of "capturing an airport" that can't be used for air transport and is in ruins and covered in destroyed vehicles? That's before we get into the assault that pushed the Russian troops back into the woods on day 2 to 3 before the land convoy arrived. And you're missing the other air assault they had in the North East that also failed.

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64038540 (OP)
Because its Russia. It makes too much sense and it doesn't involve modernized human wave tactics.

>>64039955
Only one I recall is that general broadstrokes map that implied the Transnistria's force could atleast threaten or pressure Odessa. I wouldn't call any of these "cope arrows" as they are just broadstrokes operational plans (and anyone with a brain knows plans end the moment any action is taken).

>>64038540 (OP)
they don't have enough resources yet, they have been forming new units and directing large part of refurbished gear to them but it will take several more years until the force ratio is large enough

>Why doesn't Russia just do [X with more men and equipment and money that they have available]?

As Boney paraphrased from some Prussian general who I forget the name of: "An army marches on its stomach".

1. This war is not existential for Russia so it isn't fighting as if it were about to die and all hands need to be on deck.
2. Russia has exhausted all cheap options for calling men to the front and into the factories to make the guns for the men at the front.
3. Expensive choices to get more men and guns are expensive and Russia doesn't have money or political currency to spend.

>>64040419
>one ship
First of all it was the flagship, it's a bit more important than any one ship
But also that's just factually wrong. they lost tons of stuff, especially in the early days, and even more stuff once ukraine started hitting crimean ports with naval drones and whatnot. They even lost a fucking submarine ffs, how does one forget something like that??

What drives people into posting shit like this? Is this just a case of ignorance of the facts? Is it some anon falling for the attempts at memory-holing all the embarrassing losses? Is anon just attempting to gas light everyone into believing his retarded cope???
I don't get shit like this. It's so fucking common, too.

>>64045975
>4-0-6 SUFFERS FAILURE ON LAUNCH AGAAAAAAAAAIN
>>64045162
>>64045192
Why is everyone posting House M.D. all of a sudden? Not that I'm complaining.
>>64038540 (OP)
I remember there was some anon on here predicting that Russia would become "effectively demechanized" around the time of ~1,300 MLRS losses with all of the proportional equipment losses racked up. That benchmark came and went and ziggers clowned on it because the Russian military didn't cease to exist. That wasn't what the prediction was about. It was about Russia's inability to do any of what you've suggested.

>>64040419
They lost like 1/3 of the Black Sea fleet INCLUDING the flagship, submarine and not one, not two but three landing ships.
The only reason why we don't see ships being lost anymore is because the whole fleet was moved from their home port in Crimmea to Novorossiysk and doesn't perform any military duties anymore.

>>64039219
They did not capture the airport "easily", if at all. They took some pretty severe casualties almost immediately upon landing even though the airport was only being protected by a token force consisting of drafted National Guard boomers who only had to retreat because they ran out of ammo. Then they got pounded by artillery which also took out the landing strip (effectively ruining their plan right then and there) and then like a day later they were pushed out by a Ukrainian counter attack. They did not achieve their goal and took 100% casualties. If you think that's anything other than a complete disaster you're retarded.

>>64042927
Not quite, they started the process to withdraw but they have also just been ignoring the treaty, for obvious reasons. Reminder that neither Russia nor the USA ever signed that treaty

>>64052035
>They took some pretty severe casualties almost immediately upon landing
Isn't that pretty much the intended way for paratroopers to be used? I've never heard of an op where they didn't get fucked to death

>>64052085
Convenient how VDV are both an elite formation and also cannon fodder who are meant to die simultaneously

>>64052106
I'm not defending Russia, I'm saying paratroopers are up there with WW2 uboat soldiers as job you don't want to have

>>64052106
All russian soldiers are meant to die

>>64051939

>>64051876
>1. This war is not existential for Russia so it isn't fighting as if it were about to die and all hands need to be on deck.
I agree with your conclusion but not your premise.
The war wasn't existential in 2022 but by 2025, it certainly is. Russia isn't certain to collapse if it's defeated soundly but it's definitely a possibility.
For various reasons which we all know and have our own individual ranking for; Putin can't or won't say this out loud.'
Hence, you're right that they're not fighting it like it's existential but it may well have become existential war that they can't admit to.

>>64051939
>Why is everyone posting House M.D. all of a sudden?
He's a smart arsehole, basically what /b/tards aspire to be.
Hence he's been a thing on 4chan for quite a long time.

Many oldfags started as /b/tards before migrating to topic boards as they matured so old /b/ memes are more common than new ones really.

>>64038546
>Ratnik gear was so kino
only for closeted homosexuals

>>64039994
Ukies can't (won't) attack territory which on paper belongs to Moldova without Moldova asking them. And Moldova doesn't ask for this because they are poor and in precarious state, i.e. even if ukies move in to remove the russian forces and the local puppet regime, the Moldovans wouldn't be able to police and administer the liberated region.

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do another invasion from Belarus
1) If russians move out forces from another region (e.g. from Zaporizhia or Donetsk), then ukies would do a Khakiv 2.0 attack on the weakened forces that were left there.
2) I'm pretty sure Poland telegraphed through back channels that any attempt to move into the western part of Ukraine would cause the Polish army to go in as well, since Poland doesn't want more of RU army on its eastern border.

>>64052035
Unfortunately you get your battle reports from reddit. The majority of VDV casualties in the initial assault was from MANPADS shooting down their Mi-17 transport helicopters. Almost no VDV died in the actual fighting, and the National Guard garrison force which was very well armed, mind you, was almost completely destroyed. Yes, the VDV after with only small arms easily took the airport after disembarking their helos, and they only got removed from the airport when the AFU send a massive armored QRF and SOF to displace them and they ran extremely low on supplies and ammo, with zero resupply or reinforcements.

>>64052107
>WW2 uboat soldiers
cmon guy really

>>64038660
Do you want to see another round of Russkies getting absolutely whacked or what?
Is this even a question?

>>64038660
>got routed by territorial defense units
SPETSNAZ! SPETSNAZ IS WORKING!!

>>64038540 (OP)
>another invasion from Belarus
because both ukraine and russia mined the entire border now, they kept kursk open for this reason and got fucked in the ass with ukraine counterinvading, if they removed the mines elsewhere it would signal that they plan to use that area to cross

>or a amphibious landing from the sea in the south?
because then they'd have to expose their amphibious ships to possible enemy fire (drone boats or missile batteries), also satellites make monitoring enemy movements easy and once/if the troops landed then they'd have to be resupplied, so ukies could just wait out for their ships and sink them while the troops on land are isolated and hunted down

>Or even another Air Assault?
see above, it already happened in hostomel and the russian paratroopers were annihilated.
it would only work if the frontline advanced fast enough to catch up to them before they got overrun.
looking at the snail pace at which the frontlines are moving (around 100m a day) they'd be dead long before anyone arrives, if ever.

>>64038640
Violence of Action pilled

>>64053911
Well if this random old guy on tiktok said it, it must be true!!!

>>64054006
>this random old guy on tiktok said it
as opposed to a random zigger on 4chan?

>>64054006
>mad

also Belarus is not Russia. the Poles and Germans and probably everyone else will absolutely flip their shit and carve it up immediately.

>>64052085
>I've never heard of an op where they didn't get fucked to death

4 of the 5 regiments of the entire 82nd Airborne and the entire 75th Ranger Regiment jumped into Panama in 1989 and their assault as a resounding success. Paratroopers are great when they're used as intended (i.e. in conjunction with a powerful air arm with total control of the skies and local mechanized forces already on the ground to achieve time sensitive objectives). Sending them in unsupported (or without even knowing the overall plan) is a complete waste of good men and aircraft and doing so with men riding tanks instead of helicopters would have the same terrible result.

I like to see thread like these because it attracs all the Zigger cope of Puccia strong in the year of Lord 2025.

>>64054928
Truly

>>64054928
Never stops being funny

>>64049787
the arrows at odessa meant the Temu d day with amphibious landing. With the landing forces making going all the way to trannysistria

>>64038546
It was just copies of outdated U.S. gear in a pattern that may as well be solid OD because the color variation and distribution sucks. SURPAT was a non-retarted version of EMR so of course it's dead now.

>>64038640
The presumption on Russia's part was that the Ukrainians would be paralyzed by tank shock and just give up. That's why unsupported tanks rolling forward haphazardly was the first wave. It was less tactically and more theatrically planned. When the Ukrainians in the first week actually held their ground and shot back there was no backup plan.

>>64054912
People seem to discount this because it was such a curbstomp that it "feels" unfair.

They tried that by mustering in Kursk to punch into Sumy again.

Ukies marshalled defenses, realized that they were ready first while Russians were still preparing, and we got an occupied Kursk.

>>64058039
>HIMRS
duuude, I could hear C&C music over that

>>64038540 (OP)
There will be one final great assault they can realistically try, and that's to take Odesa and cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea, and allowing Russia to skip western Ukraine altogether in order to fight other wars in easier places. They'll probably store a few thousand drones and risk some of their aircraft and tanks for this.

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64058054
>C&C music over that
the hivemind has already convened on that

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64040500
sleep tight, little snipper

>>64038540 (OP)
>their logistics are turbo fucked and have been for years
>lukashenko is doing everything he can to not get a full scale revolution going on
>lol lmao at russia and anything involving water
>pulling troops from one line just weakens another because contrary to vatnik delusion life isn’t a Civ game and you’re just going to weaken your own already precarious lines
>modern tech will allow ukraine to potentially form a massive killzone since almost all of their troop movements will be land based from how fucked their air force is, which would be immediately obvious just from satellite alone
>the belarusian border is already fortified to shit because everyone knows that could be a major fulda gap tier flashpoint that russia will obviously choose to zerg rush should they want to
Russia today is not like the USSR of the past where it had an entire continent and a half’s worth of people and resources to just throw at something, and it shows. Outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg pretty much everything has been stripped bare by modern day boyars who made their bag in the 90s by selling off the last rusted nail.

As discussed in the KAB thread, Russia is hated by all the water gods that haveexisted. Ukraine's national symbol is a trident, which makes no sense, but clearly Poseidon approves.

Meanwhile, Russia's historic quest f or a warm-water port has been an exercise in masochism spanning centuries. Every time a Russian is with water something goes wrong.

river crossing = disaster
unopposed river crossing = worse disaster
boiling some water = chornobyl
seize port = disaster
fly over water = disaster
hold bridge over water = disaster
boat in water = disaster
boat in water in port = holy fuck, ass disaster
landing operation out of water = disaster

>>64044375
>Luka Potato.jpg

>>64058157
You forgot:
torpedo launch drills = disaster
crossing blue waters to japan = disaster
river crossing (styx) = overbooked

>>64058039
>takes so long to arrive that they're mostly gone already
>misses

>>64058157
>>64058258
Ironically, one of the only things Russians are (currently) good at is submarines.

>>64058157
You couldn't have picked a better time to post this.

>>64058268
anon their boomers are old rusting soviet junk
not even water cow approves

>>64058078
>There will be one final great assault they can realistically try, and that's to take Odesa and cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea
Please don't use the expressions "take Odesa" and "realistically try" in the same sentence.

>>64058258
>torpedo launch drills = disaster
Furthermore,
response to disaster = disaster

Kursk really showed how bad Putin is at handling unplanned adversities.

>>64054883
>Germans

>>64058157
>Ukraine's national symbol is a trident
One of the interpretations is that it's based on a diving falcon.

>>64054883
why does belarus even exist? what exactly is unique about their culture?

>>64058357
The flag

>>64058357
It's in the name.
It's white russia.

The short history of it is that it was founded by kiovan rus / vikings -> conquered by mongols -> conquered by lithuania -> conquered by soviets (this is when it started being white russia) -> ruined by soviets boiling water -> ruins conquered by potato uncle.
So at this point in time its most unique characteristic that sets it apart from other post-soviet shitholes is that it's the land where most of chernobyl fallout landed. Other than that you can imagine a culture that's somewhere between baltics and poland.

>>64058311
>not even water cow approves
Who?

You faggots are so retarded. I hate Russia, but I still am aware that their submarines are essentially their only credible threat left. Their navy has been downsized greatly, but they still maintain a credible and capable submarine force.

>>64058451
It’s mostly their newer diesel electric subs i’m actually worried about desu, those are still sneaky and could do some major damage.
The older nuclear soviet subs are a threat, sure, but they barely get out anymore and last time we saw one i remember it was tracked all through the Med producing way more noise than a sub of it’s type should, meaning they’re probably giving up on even keeping the old boys quiet by for instance replacing their tiles.

>>64058346
>One of the interpretations is that it's based on a diving falcon.

Am Ukrainian. I have heard all the interpretations and symbiology being handwaved. The swallow. The Trinity, holy or familial. It still makes no sense to me, but it has been here for a very long time so whatever.

>>64038540 (OP)
>why doesn't Russia just do
>>64038540 (OP)
>I'm not looking for NAFO reddit memes

>>64058296
>You couldn't have picked a better time to post this.
wdym? Is something happening to the potatoe harvest in Belarus?

>>64058357
>what exactly is unique about their culture?
Different language, written and oral.

It really confused me when I saw it on a vodka bottle.
>oooooo, new vodka, lets read the label and see their artisanal process of turning permafrost potatoes into alcohol
>I can read this.
>....
>I can't read this.

>>64058576
Sovie- I mean Russian submarine doctrine places a high priority on boomers operating in 'safe' zones located primarily underneath the north pole. These are called bastions and its a strategy used by many other navies. Also many of their submarines (especially in the last few years) have fallen into disrepair. Still their strategy works and there is no reason to discount them. Not until they have another Kursk situation, anyhow.

>>64058874
>Different language, written and oral.
I've heard a little bit of it, it sounded like halfway between Polish and Ukrainian.

>>64058902
What projection is this map?

>>64059097
mercator or something similar that doesn't fuck up the polar latitudes

>>64059097
An absolute shit one, idk

>>64040500
Sleep tight, little snipper

>>64058268
No, that's all the more reason to conclude God really hates russians playing in water.
Because the earthquake & tsunami fucked up hornet's nest.

1600 Armatas per year...

>>64053047
There is that and just a lot of material. He was a monty python actor after all, physical comedy is in play.
Also I watched every episode 8 times now and am thinking of a 9th after "Rescue Me".

>>64059223
I have seen corruption you people wouuldn't believe.
Golden toilets on yachts off Monaco.
Dachas, glittering like temples and palaces of old.
All these rubles, embezzled.
Like the ass in the ass.

>>64059266
<3

>>64059097
one that the closer to the pole, the more it exaggerates the area

>>64058157
I wrote the post you copied and I approve, you can have loicense

>>64058268
The history of soviet submarines, particularly nuclear, begs to differ. Since when weren't they loud ass shitcans?

>>64058346
It's a pitchfork. For wheat. Was that hard?>>64058780
yo

>>64059407
Since John Walker and his spy ring in the 70's and 80's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker#Spy_ring

>>64059223
>>64059266
Some of these displace more than an Arleigh Burke.

>>64059407
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba%E2%80%93Kongsberg_scandal
This too

>>64045192
I might be misremembering, but wasn't there a telegram post by some ruskie about either him or his comrades getting bitten by rats in a field hospital?

>>64059705

>>64059223
Russia is mighty zombie horde. Can build even when economy is kill, cumrag.

>>64059805
>refering to your own countrymen as zombies
What a retard, lmao. No wonder Putin let him 'act' like he was actually the president.

>>64059816
>>referring to your own countrymen as zombies
Is he wrong?

>>64059805
lol I love these retarded ocr'd mistranslations. Truly the babelfish of 2020s. They're even better when you happen to have seen the real meaning.

>>64059824
>Is he wrong?
I hope so, zombies are even more retarded than Russians, so we might actually have to fight them (and even permanently erase them) in the near future.

>>64059805
What does he even do in Russia? Seems like he’s on Twitter more than whatever job he has

>>64060202
>What does he even do in Russia?
Something called "Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia".

>>64060202
>What does he even do in Russia?
I don't think anyone knows what actual work he does, if any.
We often assume he doesn't do anything because he's widely assumed to have no actual power.

It's possible he does some meaningless but vaguely necessary task like hearing reports from subordinates and reporting a summary to someone, or maybe he just sits in a chair in meetings and people report to him and the meeting notes of those reports are read by someone else entirely.
Such reports are more propaganda than decision-making support anyway though.

>>64060202
He's the "extreme option" that monke can point to and say "It could be worse, he could be in charge"

>>64038540 (OP)
>amphibious landing from the sea in the south
did you miss the whole "Ukraine sweeps the Black Sea clean despite not having a navy" arc? The sea unironically belongs to the hohols now.