I don't know...Long live /nvg/!
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LAM/MFAL comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5V9qYxITW0

Resource on what these spec terminology mean
https://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101
https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explained
https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-mean

You shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.
Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.

Some reputable retailers:
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/
https://steeleindustries.com/
https://nvisionoptics.com/
https://www.customnightvision.com/
https://apollogearco.com

SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noise
EBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sorts
Halo: How big the circle of bloom is around lights
Photocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode is
LP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chart

If one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance game

The numbers to meet or beat are
EBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucci
Halo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesome
SNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucci
Photocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellar
Resolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci

>>64046129 (OP)
Saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4jFmTcxLyU
It renewed my interest in creating the /nvg/ thread again.

>>64046129 (OP)
Maybe this video is more interesting as a general NV usage guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2StLX6siw0

Welcome back /nvg/, have an infographic.

oh my god thank fuck you guys made a /nvg/ I was getting sad arguing with people on /gq/ and this is my favorite thread because I can discuss obscure NV related LAMs, duals, thermal, and helmets here.

>>64046138
>>64046132
bro nice, good videos actually. Consume this knowledge brehs.

I'm collecting infographics into an imgur list for everybody to peruse. Anyone got any old /nvg/ ones from back in the day?
https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>>64046158
I can't tell whether the "merger" of /gq, /pfg/, and /nvg/ is sustainable or not. It's true there aren't the numbers to make all three hit bump limit. It's also true that the three don't cooperate well and leads to infighting.
Let's see how this thread goes.

>>64046192
Oh wow, that is a cool collection of infographics.
The one infograph that I made that you have on there is a bit out of date, you can replace it with this one.

>>64046192
I dunno if this is still applicable since the knockoff game may have improved the QC of these G24 knockoffs.

>>64046192
that's a shit ton of infographics ty bru

>>64046210
The Canadian version of the G24 is not bad I forget the name of it they sell it on Cold Harbour Supply. It's like 150 bucks I think.

>>64046227
Argus A4.

got a brand new rh25v2 for 4811 after taxes, how did I do?

>>64046346
good!

Where's the 1080 res thermals??

>>64046424
1024 but close! iRay RICO HD for only 18k!!

>>64046454
It's 1280 lol

>>64046129 (OP)
Has anyone bought from KJA?
Their trade in tubes look blemmed to shit, but thats the tradeoff for them being cheap. I've heard people say that blemmed tubes arent that bad but I dont know if thats just them coping or not. I want to buy quality tubes over gen 2+ but don't want to spend for a 3k gen 3 tube. The blems seem like a good tradeoff, but then again I wouldnt really know.

what is the best night vision bino housing to consider? I want light weight and manual gain. I currently have a l3 supergain monocular but really want to get a l3 bino set for depth perception, as the monocular is seemingly difficult and heavy to use. it's in a regular pvs14 housing. looking to be able to night hike with a bino set mostly with potential shooting applications 5% of the time

>>64046202
This general will end up dead or in a sad state again eventually lol. People doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

>>64048047
>monocular
>heavy to use
>wants binos
???

>>64048217
thats why im asking. i've never used or held any binos before and curious what bino housings weigh compared to my stock milspec pvs14 mono

Does anyone have any recomendations on low profile BUIS that can fit under an AGM Rattler V2 mount on a flat top AR? INB4 back up irons are useless, I swap this thermal over to other guns so I just want a sighting system on it.

>>64048272
They're all going to weigh at least a few ounces more than standard PVS-14. The lightest bino housing/optics combo currently on the market will still put you around 14 to 16 ounces. That's with something like the RPO lenses which usually aren't worth it and most of those lightweight setups are relying on autogain housings. The PVS-31 is supposed to be around 15.9 oz but, everything else with manual gain and milspec lenses will probably be closer to 18 to 20 oz. At that point, you'll start wanting a battery pack or weights as a counterweight which would further increase the overall weight on your head.

>>64048047
my personal favorite is DTNVS they have a manual gain version now I believe, 2nd favorite would be RNVGs. don't cheap out on your housing choice.

>>64048497
I think you're overstating the weight diff it's just a training issue, the more you have exp with the setup on your head the better you will be, also just don't be a twink, have good neck muscles unironically and have a balanced helmet setup you won't notice the diff.

>>64048958
The emphasis on the weight difference was because anon specifically asked for light weight. I run dual tubes and it never bothered me. If you want to talk about training issue then he should forget about the dual tubes and stick to the PVS-14.

>>64046202
>>64046202
/pfg/ and /nvg/ is a match made in hell, it's gonna be one group bullying the other to suicide, and that's pretty cool. /gq/ can hang. CAPTCHA: NRA24

Hey sms schizo. What's the best way to mount an hfxc to an mp5?

>>64050054
I've got one on a front sight post rail because I like the triangle handguard. Havn't had a chance to take it out and try it at night yet.

>>64050054
$35 knockoff hydra mount from aliexpress to the top rail

>>64050122
Have a picture of the setup?

>>64050162
here.

>>64050233
Nice, I'm running the midwest rail so I'll mount it like that.

>>64050031
>it's gonna be one group bullying the other to suicide
Maybe not because the part of /nvg/ that used to talk shit on the poorfags have been pretty silent for a while. They won't be missed since they're probably same faggots who do nothing with their gear despite having the financial means to go train a little. If you're talking about /pfg/ bullying /nvg/ then hopefully they're still lurking around to read it.

can you mount an infiray rico in front of a scope *or* to a helmet?

i'm looking for something to take on dog walks, to see what lawns have rabbits. having it small enough to carry freely would be helpful, since the dogs often shit in the neighbors lawn out of LOS. Having this would make cleanup a lot faster and quieter. heres a link to the rico... not sure if its the right model. i was looking for helmet mounted monoculars.

https://irayusa.com/rh25v2


what's this BTW the pic was saved here..

>>64046497
The refresh on that is kinda poor. Other 1280 thermals are available from Pulsar, I'd avoid the ATNs.
>>64046203
>>64046210
Epic, will add those today.

>>64051955
the rh25 mounts to helmet, scope, or used as a mono scanner. All 3. but the scope mount functionality is limited to probably 6-8x magnification max, it's not gonna be as good as a dedicated clip on like for a MPVO/long range optic. Other than that it's very good. I have an mh25v2 (helmet mounted) the iRay stuff is solid for the price. The only other option is like 25k+ for a voodoo pixels on target or some trijicon/eotech alternative, but they mostly do clip on only.

Sooo how much do you think they'll charge for the new smslaser 3 in 1? I'm thinking 500 ish.

>>64046129 (OP)
this great thred dided for some reason, are we back?

No thermal monocular virgin here, looking to get started on one, maybe second later for helmet mount so to have two helmet mounted with connec to larger battery. 1x no zoom. Which is a good starter unit?

>>64053891
They should price it $300 to under cut homogear and is-eg.

>>64054074
The HFXC is $245 and has a good white light.

>>64054078
I know, I have one already. I just want to have a good cheap 3-in-1 device that is better than the airsoft shit.

>>64054987
Point is, the 3-in-1 will likely - only be slightly more expensive, at most, to account for waterproofing. Rumor has it they'll then make a new 4-in-1 to replace the HFXC with something more comparable to the IRIS-4.
I want to see them eat weasel word Somogear's lunch and undercut Holosun.

>>64046203
>>64046210
And the imgur link is updated, thanks folks.

>>64046192
Found some more infographics.

>>64046192
Some usgi j-arm stuff.

>>64046192

>>64046192
Some lens filter information.

>>64046192
Photonis tube information

>>64046192
And the last one I have.

>>64057655
Excellent, thanks!

>>64057684
Thank you again, I've updated the list.

>>64054063
I love my AGM Taipan TM10-256. They're about $400 now. I've never helmet mounted it, but I know other people have including an anon who used to post to /nvg/.

>>64054063
If you can find the AGM StingIR it’s a good form factor for helmet mount usage and handheld use, and it can be weapon clip on mounted too.

>>64051955
That’s my pic, if you’re asking what clip on that is it’s a Guide Sensmart TA-651

>>64064069
Fucking phone

So I'm thinking about looking for a BE Meyers GRI2P. Problem is that the "supply" dried up ten years ago

>>64064384
Dang, thats a chonker.
Looks cool though.

>>64064576
I'm intrigued by a "LAM" with a 300mW green laser and a 1W IR laser. My glizzy is only 200mW. I need more. Much more.

>>64046129 (OP)
Is it possible to effectively hide from thermal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lElJxo5lWxw

>>64066675
Not really. The thermal ponchos used in Ukraine, at best, only provide temporary protection. You want to break up your signature and not be a cool blob. Look at barracuda webbing.
Better sensors are harder to hide from. MWIR cooled shit is a different beast from LWIR regular VOX / BST thermals and I think MWIR can in theory see through glass. Not sure if the HISS-HD and Leonardos can, though.
The future IMO will be NIR relegated to /pfg/, SWIR-MWIR multispectral becoming dominant "fusion", and wall-penetrating radar becoming the new high end.