Thread 64051098

When will the US military switch to glocks?

It is inevitable.

>>64051098 (OP)
>replace a very unsafe pistol with an unsafe one

>>64051098 (OP)
No. It was a mistake to choose a polymer framed striker-fired pistol as an issued weapon in the first place.

>>64051111
So back to beretta m9?

>>64051098 (OP)
They will go with rxm, actually
>it was revealed to me in a dream

>>64051152
didn't the beretta 93x or whatever place really high in the trials?

>>64051098 (OP)
glock cope. glock couldn't even beat CZ for the Bundeswehr contract. glock loses more than they win, that's what they get for resting on their laurels for decades instead of fighting for market share. fuck glock.

When Glock pays them enough or sells the guns for little enough or both

>>64051240
Or when they realize it's better to just admit they were wrong, cancel all sig contract and go to glock like what should've happened.

Now they chose a Jew owned jeet staffed gun company to make their service pistol and it got a person killed for no reason.

>>64051098 (OP)
It could happen but probably not. I fully expect them to just have Sig make a new pistol that can cannibalize the working 320 parts, but with a new name

>>64051216
yes but it placed low in the category of:
>buying blow for the generals
>hiring strippers
>expensed meals
and maybe it was vaguely heavy or could fuck up a red dot which we'll totally issue to everyone who gets a pistol

Just go with the Kel-Tek P57, or a modified version that has removable mags, but still allows clip feeding.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMkOQux5E8w
Then adopt the Kel-Tek P50 with a fun switch and compact folding stock for slightly higher suppression needs or longer distances.

>>64051301
The 320 is actually only a really small part of the deals Sig has. They can totally eat it and just issue SP2022s or something while they do a recall

>>64051317
yeah i forgot about the most important parts of military procurement procedures

>>64051322
Is that why Sig has been absolutely kicking and screaming to try to avoid taking responsibility for the P320 and bending over backwards to pretend nothing is wrong, rather than just fucking recalling them?

>>64051506
You can go look the evaluation of all their contracts up. The 320 is the smallest one I believe

>>64051513
That doesn't mean they don't have a lot riding on the P320 as a whole, the military isn't their only customer, but if the fucking military says "We need to stop using this pistol because it's dangerous." it's going to have cascading market effects which Sig are simply not going to be able to handle.

>>64051098 (OP)
They do a Glock 20 Gen 5 and I'll know that the Rapture has begun.

>>64051517
Not really. They have a ton of contracts for many different things, some even abroad. I think you're not aware of just how broad their business investments have become

>>64051522
Anon, do you have any idea how much litigation they finally open themselves up to when this dam finally busts? They've been staving this off for a while, but there's gonna be a LOT of people who will jump on a class action lawsuit for this.

>>64051506
The fact that they are not remedying this kind of shows that it isn't something vital to them. They can in fact just go "nuh uh" even if it makes everyone hate them

>>64051530
Like it wasn't vital for Remington?

>>64051529
You've got a lot of big hopes that I don't think will pan out. Class action suits are not easy to win even if you have overwhelming evidence and they have cut off a lot of venues in which they can be challenged anyway.

>>64051537
By the time Remington actually got hit they were already in a pretty bad place for other reasons. But I get that you want to believe that something will happen, so I guess we can wish on a star together

>>64051221
Glock doesn't need the market share from the military.

They have a pretty strong hold of the law enforcement and civilian market and every nig has a glock with a switch

>>64051111
>>64051103
I think the military and police should issue DAO pistols and police should only allow officers to carry precocked striker, DA/SA, or SAO once they've passed a proficiency test.

This will also then trickle down to the civilian market and mean that the default gun for non-enthusiasts will also be DAO. DA/SA is objectively superior for carry but its just too hard to teach to the sub-100 IQ goons that make up most police, military personnel, and armed civilians.

Striker triggers with the dingus are anyway so horrendously mushy I think a long, smooth DA trigger pull would be better for most people

>>64051732
Lol. You have a tenuous grasp on striker triggers and what is "superior" for carry in a pistol. And no, inserting objectively doesn't give you a pass from your absolute butt fucking the dog retard opinion you vomited out like you had any fucking clue at all. Go back to watching comp shooters faggot. Seems like your sort of pretend faggoty.

>>64051322
>they can totally eat one of their most promoted firearms ever being recalled and driving their reputation into ground

>>64051098 (OP)
>mfw they finally adopt M&Ps
RETVRN TO VSA-MADE HANDGVNS

>>64051834
First time?

>>64051846
show me the "Glock goes off in holster" controversy

>>64051098 (OP)
I would prefer Kel-Tec

>>64051851
I see, so it IS your first time

>>64051857
wait wait i have a better one, show me the "Glock isn't drop safe" controversy haha

>>64051867
You're barking up the wrong tree. It's gonna be another "MIC Corpo Escapes Major Liability" episode. Perhaps followed up by "Consumer Short Term Memory"

>>64051857
Every fucking time that happens it turned out that the trigger was actually just fully pulled, either from someone fingering the trigger while holstering or unholstering, like an idiot, or because they used an unsuitable leather holster which deformed and bumped the trigger.

You don't need either of those for the P320, the sear on it may or may not slip off even from the slightest travel of the trigger. They didn't have a big crease in their holster pushing up against the trigger all the way, they weren't fingering the trigger while handling it, something else (even just inertia), gave the trigger the slightest and ittiest and bittiest push, and then at some point later the sear slipped.

You can say that maybe the Glock isn't entirely ideal for military and police service on that point, given the unfortunately not rare lack of sense in those fields, and perhaps they would do better with an added manual safety or grip safety for that (not that this would fix the standardized ineptitude of the NYPD, though), but the P320 is in a much more dire need for a much more serious change to be acceptable.

>>64051098 (OP)
Nah its very unlikely they will do Glocks due to cost. They will probably quietly sneak into Sigs room at night and ass fuck with the green weenie until the M17/18s are all 'fixed' correctly. What they should do is nullify the contract due to being given an unsafe/unservicable product, sue their asses, get money back then just redo the whole damn thing and get the Beretta M9A3s. OR if they still have a shit ton of old M9s on hand refurbish them with new parts and keep truckin.
And nothing of value was lost, besides that dude who died...

>>64051883
Like I told the other guy, this is just going to be another example of the military industrial complex getting away with shit. I've seen this show too many times to be surprised anymore.

>>64051898
Also want to add the military saying they needed something "modular" and with a rail on it is retarded. Because 99.9% of the joe shmoes carry it will never be making any changes to the weapon or mounting anything on it. Ever. Special operations units will use whatever the fuck they want as a side arm anyways so who cares and they would be the only ones modifying their shit.

>>64051872
youre changing the goalposts. I was talking about Sig and their reputation, not the military

>>64051898
At least you understand the idea of them getting their money back and relitigating the trials is a fantasy. I think we got hosed but in fact of the matter is that the government is more likely to try to make Sig Sauer hold up their obligations by either fixing it or supplying something else instead of going through the extreme hassle that would be terminating the contract and making a new one with a new guy.
>>64051929
Uncle Sam is the most important customer. Not only does he pay the most, but people get over a lot of stuff if they see he keeps buying your shit. But hey, don't let me be a Debbie Downer. I'm sure this time will really count

>>64051947
lmao im sure sig would totally not mind their civilian market being horribly dampered

>>64051995
I get that you hope it will be permanent, lasting damage, but probably not. Just being the military's arms contractor will repair their reputation over time as people forget or new people who didn't pay attention to it before get into firearms. I'm not saying nothing ever happens but the clean sweep on the contracts will probably let them survive any controversy for a long time

>>64052003
As soon as the memes die out everything will be okay for them. Glocknade memes were seriously eating into their reputation until something else caught the public interest

>>64051103
>replace a bad gun with an improvement
Is that literally your entire thesis?

>>64052056
glocknade memes were just a meme. Sigs firing on their own is an actual issue.

>>64051746
Another sub-100 IQ goon that got filtered by DA/SA

>>64052204
The fact you think it's just a meme proves my point.

>>64052297
The vast majority of Glock users were never at risk of experiencing it.

>>64052551
There were more kbs per year than there have been UDs ever. It was a real thing, and there's been several lawsuits and departments dropped Glock over it. But look, this is exactly what I'm talking about. We forgave and forgot.

>>64052297
there are no repeatable tests with *normal* ammo showing glocks blowing up

>>64052743
I feel like I've heard this excuse before

>>64052749
Because it was literally true, people were handloading .40 to be like 10mm, it literally only happened to them.

>When will the US military switch to glocks?
the guys that might actually use a pistol in combat already switched

>>64051098 (OP)
>competend procurement in current year
Lol, it's going to be Hi-Point or KelTec.

>>64052768
lol no it wasn't. /hg/ has vids from this year of 9mm factory ammo blowing up glocks. You drank the kool aid

>>64052913
But you're not gonna post it.

>>64053040
No need, some are already in the other glockfag thread.

>>64042217

Why do glockfags act like Glock and Sig are the only options?

>>64051109
>German
Here's your Googleplay card Sarr. I've also got a cheap watch with some very German brand name (it's from China), SIG SAUR ain't German/Swiss anymore you brown fucking retard.

>>64052297
>put Bubba's pissin hot 9mm magnums in your pistols chamber
>it explodes
>"Wahhhhhhh this is all Gaston fault!!! Damn you tupperware salesmen from Austria!!!!
I never understood why people felt the need to do that honestly, like holy fuck dude just get a 45acp 10mm or 44magnum gun/revolver if ya want more stopin pawa.

>>64053937
he's quite clearly implying that Glock is seething over losing the German Bundeswehr pistol contract that went to CZ, not that Sig Sau(e)r is German
dumbass

inb4 the military drops sig and goes to taurus g3s

Around the same time Glock starts offering a factory manual safety and decocker.

>>64051098 (OP)
2 gulf wars, m9a4 soon

>>64051221
Bohemian Century inbound

>>64051103
I dislike glocks a lot, hate how they have been to shoot but glock leg is due to a bad holster. Not a bad pistol.

>>64051111
I don't get the need for strikerfired for soldiers. For cops it's because you want a single consistent triggerpull when the pistol is what they will use 99.5% of the time.
In an environment where accuracy is paramount. A soldier's pistol is going to be to magdump someone breaking into the wire or dealing with a local with some kind of a melee weapon or a drunk/beligerent soldier with a non-gun. They're not doing arrests that can escalate, or spree-shooter neutralizing. Frankly I think the "Muh different trigger pulls" is overblown but I get it for cops or civilians.

>>64051506
The screeching is really hard to understand. It's being a bit like that streisand effect. Although going with it
>THIS IS FAKE NEWS BY THE LIBERAL GUN-GRABBER YADDA YADDA YADDA
Makes me think it's just parasitic suit retards in Sig like the CEO given if it was any kind of sinister agenda it was just competitors and fanboys of other guns pointing and laughing at sig.

I shead 1 single tear when I load mec gar mags in my glock because too poor for p226 legion.

>>64052003
> their reputation over time as people forget
Gun Jesus video has him pointing out that people still are leery of 1903s with a certain number due to QA issues from +100 years ago. Likewise I can still recall Hillary Holes being sandbagging for S&W. Which of course didn't cause their revolvers to collapse in sales but it stayed in the zeitgeist. When Sig's only hope is "Someone fucks up even worse" that's not really a good showing. Gun owners are a superstitious hive-mind lot. It's going to take Sig really pulling out all the stops for some new gun model and they've currently shot themselves in the foot (hee hee) with the money-printer of the official sidearm of the US military being dogshit. Now instead of everyone wanting to larp and have the REAL SOLDIER handgun they'll look at the P320 like it's radioactive.

Cops are abandoning it, ICE abandoned it, air force is 'pausing' it. I just can't see another handgun in widespread use fucking up as badly as Sig. They'd need to suddenly be in favor of a handgun/AWB ban a'la Ruger back in the day or straight up be IED handguns.

>>64052056
I don't like glocks and I still have issues with them unrelated to glock-leg or glocknade. But I remember glocknade memes and people like me who disliked glock were in the distinct minority, then a sizable minority but glock was still a darling of the gun community. It never reached a universal revulsion like with Sig's fuckup where it's hard to even spot sig-fans in the wild anymore. I am sure they exist but they are an endangered species.

>>64052003
right before the pandemic, I was told very energetically by a guy born in the 80s, that AR-15s just weren't reliable
his reasoning?
M16A1s in Vietnam had widely reported reliability issues
50 years later, an issue that occurred in a very narrow window of time was impacting the reputation of AR-15s

20 years from now, I can already see that I'm gonna get an earful from some gen-beta kid about how all SIGs are dangerous to handle while loaded

>>64055529
>>64055579
Most manufacturers have had a really horrible gaffe (some *many*). I think this model of gun will always have a bad rep unless they really do come out with a fixed model but I don't think you'll see this level of vitriol for the company in general the further removed we are from this.

>>64055579
Didn't you read World War Z, anon?

>>64055652
this isnt a matter of rational behavior, it's about how events are perceived and propagated across culture

>>64055488
>i-it's the holster!
it's unsafe. simple as.

The guy replying to every post in every thread that so much as even breathes a word that starts with "S" with the same India memes needs to be put in an institution.
It is a cruel and unusual punishment for this an individual like this to force them to try and participate in society and allow them access to the internet.

>>64055692
I actually agree that the 320 as a platform is probably never going to recover from this unless a redesign comes out within the next couple months that solves the problem decisively (and even then people are going to have a sour taste in their mouth). I'm just saying that I don't think this will blacklist Sig Sauer forever because pretty much every gun company has had a really really bad event

>>64055888
if they continue to mismanage their response, they are gonna go bankrupt, and the reputational damage will NOT be limited to just the p320
>b-but other SIG weapons don't have those proble-
doesn't matter

>>64055912
I don't feel that strongly about it.

Reminder not one report from any ballistic lab, branch of the military, federal or state law enforcement agency, engineering firm, law firm, court case, or YouTubeNigger can demonstrate a repeatable instance or method through which the gun can go off without the trigger being pulled.
Most of the cases we have to go off of are videos of cops who shoot less than the fat faggots at the range I go to who manage to shoot themselves and other people with guns that ARE NOT P320s all the time.

>>64055920
you don't decide how the overarching culture perceives it, but you WILL be affected by it
we are ALL being affected by it right now, regardless of how strongly or weakly we feel about it

>>64055912
I think bankrupt is kind of out of the question with how many people still are buying the 365 everyday. I think you guys are probably treating it like it's NOT surgically attached to the military-industrial complex

>>64055926
No offense but the gun community is extremely hyperbolic. How many people swore they would never touch Smith & Wesson or Ruger or Springfield again after they openly supported and donated to gun grabbing and ATF restrictions? They went right back to them

>>64055921
there are multiple videos of p320s going off

>>64057125
AI edited.

>>64055961
>gun community
these is in the normie sphere now, you cannot compare it to gun community drama
this is going to impact not just the gun community's perspective of it, but the perspective of people who dont know anything about guns at all

the fact that you are comparing it to small time drama is extremely dishonest

>>64051301
Or run the full test like they should have. Get a 20 example of a Glock, M&P and some other junk. Make all 20 examples fire 30k rounds. Have another 20 guns roll around in a cement mixer, loaded and with the triggers protected for a few hours.

The main reason SIG got the contract was that they cut the testing short. Would the testing have found issues maybe? But we know SIG has issues and literly switching to any other wonder 9 would have been better.

>>64058508
Those were not small time dramas you gen z faggot. I didn't even MENTION Glock kabooms which made it to the evening news. I know it's your first controversy but fuck off

When will the US military switch to SAA's?

It is inevitable.

>>64063399
Honestly military pistols do not matter at all, it doesn't matter what they use, they will never be used for self defense. They're exactly like NCO dress swords, you wear them as hip candy to look cool.

They should really just issue SAAs to every single soldier, and a box of wax cowboy bullets a week so they can practice their quickdraw in the smoke pit

>>64051732
Swap parts to the P250 then?

>>64051898
He was brown anyway.

>>64051098 (OP)
They should go back to the 1911A1. Pistols don't get used in combat anyways, so why not use the most iconic American pistol? Or if they insist on a polymer gun, use the Mk23 since it was already built for maximum milspec autism.

>>64052563
When you say KB, do you mean like an out of battery detonation? The 10mm glocks still get those, seen those on the internet not too long ago. But so do the other plastic 10mms.

>>64063431
>Honestly military pistols do not matter at all
I agree 90% but if your rifle fails catastrophically for whatever reason having an alternative to grab unto is nice, especially at door kicking stances. Because even a really well made rifle can fail after a certain round count is reached and or just having to operate in a shit environment but that's the fate of all mechanical devices in intense situations.
Not such a problem with a overwhelming large group of people who can just cover your ass but smaller groups benefit from having a good reliable standardized handguns.
>but what if muh glocknade fails too?
Well your either a cop or have the misfortune of having to fight in a sandstorm, if things are that bad fix your bayonet at that point I guess. A backup is always nice regardless though, that is after all why a lot of cars come with a cut out in the trunk to fit a spare tire after all.

>>64051103
The Glock is an exceptionally safe pistol, and the version that was submitted to the Army trials had a manual safety anyway.

>>64063857
Did it explode like the 17M sent to the FBI for their trials?

>>64055488
The trigger is just less safe. Its too light and there is no safety. Now for competition this can be a good thing but for gen pop its risky. Most people vastly overestimate their proficiency. The holster is an issue because there is no external safety so if the holster pulls the trigger it fires. Every video of someone NDing into themselves or a loved one its ALWAYS a glock.

I can buy that cops seen to do well with glocks but in the military you get handed a pistol after you reach a certain rank and just don't have the time with it. I knew an officer that had been issued a glock when he was a military attache to Yemen, but he got a ton of additional training including the car chase course. Jobs that need different pistols than the m9 already had them.

M9 is just safer, and its a fantastic gun to boot. We turned sidearm procurement into a fucking fiasco.

>>64063866
I can't find any source that corroborates what you're talking about, just that one police department ran into issues when dry firing their 17Ms and Glock recalled them.

>>64063959
>Every video of someone NDing into themselves or a loved one its ALWAYS a glock.
This probably has moreso to do with the fact that Glocks are so exceptionally common that ND videos are necessarily going to involve Glocks more. It's the same kind of fallacy people use when they say "Glocks in police videos always jam!"--it ignores the fact that you're naturally going to see more Glocks jamming because the majority of departments use them, therefore most police videos involve Glocks in the first place.

>>64063976
I'm sure it's all a fallacy and has nothing to do with the guns having light triggers and no real safety

>>64063976
That's got something to do with it, also blacks like them.

Still, my college roommates toddler shot himself while he was visiting a friend. I don't know the details but I guarantee it was a glock.

I don't think a toddler could even fire a beretta 92 if you handed him a loaded one. Obviously this means it has a heavier trigger which may affect accuracy a bit on the first shot but imo its worth the tradeoff.

>>64064121
>and has nothing to do with the guns having light triggers
>light triggers
Nigger, have you ever touched a Glock trigger in your entire life? They're notorious for being one of the heaviest, longest, shittiest triggers on a striker-fired pistol. If you are a masochist, there are even OEM parts/configurations available to make the trigger pull even more awful (plus connector, NY trigger spring, etc.)

>and no real safety
The vast majority of striker fired pistols (read: the most common kind of handgun in use by far) use the exact same kind of safety mechanisms as a Glock, and many of them have lighter triggers with less pre-travel than a Glock (and several have pre-cocked strikers to boot).

>>64064181
>I don't know the details but I guarantee it was a glock.
Wow, that was a really relevant and damning anecdote on Glocks.

If you want to make the case that striker-fired pistols as a whole are generally less safe, then whatever--but I think it's nonsense to imply that Glocks are uniquely unsafe. And, again, in the context of the thread's discussion--the pistol Glock submitted to the MHS trials *had a manual safety*.

they should UNIRONICALLY start re issuing the colt walker

>>64063476
They're happening on 9s too. There's a list of links going around showing detonations on g19s and 17s in 2025 using factory new, standard pressure ammo.

>>64065640
Is there any brand left that hasn’t decided to crash its quality and reputation in the 21st century?

>>64051098 (OP)
Or they'll just go with H&K

>>64065640
>source: my ass

>>64066304
>>64051732
HK's LEM trigger would be a pretty good compromise on safety of a DA/SA but trigger pull consistency for the sub100 goons, but the days of that being issued are in the past.

>>64063857
>the glock version that was submitted to the Army trials had a manual safety anyway.
O rly. That's the reason I wouldn't buy a glock, no manual safety.

I just don't like glocks.

>>64067188
You should probably look into how glocks work first. A manual safety is completely unnecessary

>>64051098 (OP)
>buy sig
>it shoots you in the chest from putting pressure on the slide
>buy Glock
>it explodes in your hand like a grenade

>>64067241
Good morning saar!

>>64051506
>rather than just fucking recalling them?
To do what? They have no idea how to fix it.

>>64051522
Doesn't matter if it poisons the brand for future sales you massive retard.

>>64067284
I’ve seen examples of this with every plastic gun on the market, at this point I don’t trust anything that weighs less than two pounds unloaded.
Separately, you’re a fucking retard if you actually think anybody who dislikes glocks must be a sigger, as if it’s not possible to hate both.

>>64055449
>Bohemian
So Czech but in German?

>>64051098 (OP)
How Glock fags see the world

>>64055267
They already offer a manual safety(for mil contracts) and the gun is always decocked

>>64051098 (OP)
I’m impressed. Glockfags are now more annoying than siggers.

>>64068627
The striker still has enough energy to set off the primer from the half-cock position.

>>64068638
Prove it.

>>64068648
No. Enough people have spoonfed you those tests.

>>64068656
So you have no proofs.

>>64068658
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCGdxmILDY&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
Here you go faggot. I can’t wait to see you move the goalposts again.

>>64068672
Thank you.
Hadn't seen that. Definetly wasn't expecting them to go off.
Whether the spring has enough power to set off a primer is moot when you still have a functional firing pin block though.

>>64068759
And now after checking mine I can say he made an error in measurment.
He made the rig to 13.4mm. It should have been just under 13.1mm. So he even handicapped his test with a weaker strike and it still fired..