Is it really that bad?

>>64059123 (OP)
I liked mine and if it wasn't for the risk of unintentionally shooting myself, I would still carry it.

>Contract won by undercutting the competition by 10 million
It being bad was inevitable.

>>64059123 (OP)
I always wanted one but until the "people dont kill people sigs kill people" problem is figured out I'm going to pass

>>64059123 (OP)
I've shot one before, it's a decent pistol. I would never trust one though after all the shenanigans from Sig.

>>64059170
Silence chang.

>>64059123 (OP)
i always look for a detail strip video before buying any gun to see how good/bad or complex/simple it is. as soon as i saw the striker assembly and the abandonment of the traditional button style striker safety, it was an immediate nope for me. same with the vp9. retarded engineers keep trying to reinvent the wheel and just end up making the world more gay.

>>64059170
>zigger vassal state
what
who

>>64059123 (OP)
Minus the self shooting, its about as plain jane nothing special but nothing bad either as you can get. In a modern world of chasing good nuff, it was good nuff

>>64059123 (OP)
Why are Americans painting their new guns this color? Are they planning another chimpout in sand country?

>>64059242
The citizens are just preparing to get drafted in whatever desert country israel pushes too far

>>64059123 (OP)
It would have been a nothingburger if SIG had owned up to the pistols issues from the beginning.

there are like a million of them out there and theres maybe a dozen incidents of them going off.

it quality gun sir
look at equipment we make with madam

SIGGERS!

>>64059353
I think it's closer to 2 mil with 100+ incidents. Statistically, you're probably fine, but why take the risk?

>>64059364

>>64059353
keep telling yourself that sarr, there are are over 100s of incidents. If it was a phone catching fire like the samsung it would have been recalled already

>>64059242
the guns come that way
and it's for larping

>>64059123 (OP)
No. But there are better options for less money. Until they start selling them half price due to the womanly hysteria then they will be a good value again.

>>64059123 (OP)
No, not in Canadian service.

>>64059378
>there are are over 100s of incidents

no there arent

>>64059123 (OP)
Play indian games win indian prices. (It's not that bad, I'm looking forward to picking up one at firesale price).

The P320 hate is literally an anti-gun psyop. Sig is the most respected arms manufacturer in the world so anti guns shitlords are peddling some narrative that they’re unsafe and spooky because a few incidents

>>64059123 (OP)
I don't think any of us really know, but why take the risk when there are dozens of alternatives that are just as good or better, often for less money too?

>>64059809
It was over when the kimber exec went over there in the 2000s and started bringing over such innovations as corner cutting MIM shit and sales-engineering fancy names and finishes with huge markups.

>>64059809
Remember when bait was good

Yeah I see activity now on instagram these fucked up cops are on here time to troll.

>>64059409
Well somebody in charge told SIGGERS to paint it this weird tan color, and what are they even larping as with this color, cool guns are never tan

it's perfectly fine, despite it being banned all over the place because it's unsafe

>>64059123 (OP)
as with all things in life; however bad you think things are, it's worse.

>>64059242
Brown/tan works well in non-sand countries as well. Pretty much every kind of terrain has brown/tan elements near the ground and up to person level (dirt, tree trunks, rocks, etc.) but many lack green and black can also stand out. It also blends better in urban environments than green does. It's a shame because I'm a big OD fan but brown/tan is the most versatile.

>>64059123 (OP)
I like mine

>>64059428
>CONCORD, N.H. (AP) December 2, 2022— The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in U.S. federal court in Concord, New Hampshire, says there have been over 100 incidents of the P320 pistol unintentionally discharging when the user believed they did not pull the trigger.
>inb4 your proofs don't prove anything
You can't fix siggers

>>64059994
can I have your coins when you die?

>>64059994
Based stacker.

>>64060003
Sure, what's your address?

>>64059195
The VP9's rotating striker safety actually fucking works though, the striker also has a disconnect safety and the FP is fully blocked by a lever on the Firing Pin Safety mechanism actuated by the firing pin safety spring.

Vid posted below shows an early VP9 jolt test - which caused some consternation from the HK community at the time.
Basically sear is moving when jolted - which deactivates the cocked striker indicator on the rear of the slide - which is separate/ not attached to the striker.
Firing pin movement however is defeated by Firing pin safety/drop safety and the disconnector. IE the sear has dropped or otherwise moved but the Firing pin was prevented from moving. This essentially decocks the weapon lol.
The VP9 however is a partially cocked striker design like the Glock - ie safer.
Sig should have taken a closer look at the XD - which also has a fully cocked striker like the P320. How the XD handles a fully cocked striker actually works, and well, but it sacrifices trigger pull feel

>>64059426
Yet.

Do you honestly think Canadian P320's aren't loaded to the brim with jeetshit MIM?

>>64060071
Forgot link
https://youtu.be/3kP9ZW57ov0?si=PEmuQZHSGb_MQedi

>>64059158
>10 million
SIG's bid was $102,705,394 less than Glock's. However, that was factor 7, and would have only mattered if SIG hadn't already beaten Glock in the proceeding factors. The most important was the technical test, where they were even until the ergonomics section, where SIG won narrowly. This was mitigated by Glock winning narrowly on factor 2, but SIG was greatly helped by the compact handgun reliability being dropped. If this had been left in, SIG could very well have failed since the M18 had a lot of teething issues that had to be worked out during the finalization process. The Army's excuse is that the tests they did weren't set up right and so they weren't able to get statistically significant results. This wasn't found out until after the fact, so they said they just dropped the requirement to be fair, rather than leaving in data that they couldn't prove meant anything.

The real differentiator was factor 4, where Glock was barely sufficient, but SIG aced. Part of the contract was replacement of the M998 ball ammo with something better. SIG partnered with Winchester on this and submitted a flat point FMJ and a bog standard hollowpoint. Winchester could not give less of a fuck if they had to give the IP over to other companies for war production. Glock partnered with Federal and their design was a three piece, lead free round that was basically like a 9mm version of M855A1. This was new and flashy shit under patent, so Federal wanted to keep a tighter leash on the round's IP.

After that, SIG edged out Glock on the handgun license rights and the manufacturing plans. So before price was even considered, SIG was already the winning bid. The fact that they absolutely rocked Glock on the final price was just a cherry on top. The final price was also undoubtedly helped by the fact Winchester had taken over operation of the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant and that their ammo designs were going to be a fuckload cheaper to make than Federal's design.

>>64060128
>SIG was winning
In all the retarded and worthless sections, as per your own description.
SIG fucking bought the contract, but if that wasn't bad enough, the table includes a bunch of sections that don't pertain to the actual pistol.
The top brass deserves the consequences of selling out.

>>64059123 (OP)
>Glock
>M&P
>VP9
>PDP
just pick one of these randomly and you will be better off than getting a P320

>>64059123 (OP)
It seems like the trigger group is failing to reset the safety and on top of that twisting the frame can cause the firearm to go off. Not to mention it was firing when dropped as well. Is it bad? Yeah, very bad. It should not have made it to production with ONE of these issues.

>>64060172
Glock is worse than Sig

>>64059123 (OP)
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64062617
>t. retard

>>64060128
>$170m
>for over a million units
jesus christ, what the fuck

>>64059242
Browns work in every environment for matching camouflage, save for the arctic in which case strips of white tape work well on your existing paintjob.

>>64062617
weak bait

I mean it's alright
I'd only buy one if I got it for really really really cheap

>>64062617
No

>>64063025
There will be a lot on the used market soon. Lightly used, only fired once

>>64063055
I'd kinda like to get one, new in box, just to put a blank round in it and then keep it in my safe for 30 years to see what happens.

>>64059123 (OP)
>fag dark earth
Yes, yes it really is that bad

>>64059123 (OP)
Taking away from the penis remover feature it's okay. The trigger is fine, the sights are fine, the felt recoil is fine and I do like that it popularized the fcu system that some handguns are getting into. Overall I wish sig didn't act like an eastern company that can't ever show face and triple down on their product doing things uncommanded. Also the biggest reason imo why this never got taken super seriously on the internet mainly has to do wiht the people who talk about it the loudest being giant retards that care more about memes than actually spreading awareness over something that genuinely needs to be recalled fully. I mean you don't exactly look good when all you do is call someone a sigger and then derail a thread when you get ignored or not taken seriously for saying it five times in a two sentence post.
>TLDR
>Don't get the p320 get the 365 or literally any other sig pistol

It is a single action pistol that may fire when shaken due to the low quality of indian manufactured parts and sig's general cost cutting

Nothing more

>>64062899
It's probably why they're having this issue. Cost cutting+ outsourcing is gonna fuck up QC process which leads to questionable products. When you're dealing with explosives (gunpowder), you really do not want something that may fail because the company decided to cheap out on you.

>>64059123 (OP)
The only thing the P320 has ever done better than any other handgun on the market is going off when you dont want it to, so yeah, its a pretty big piece of shit.

>>64059195
VP9 has been fine though.

>>64064053
Personally I like flat dark earth but I hate nu-Sig. I like ranger green even more though.

>>64064061
>I mean you don't exactly look good when all you do is call someone a sigger and then derail a thread when you get ignored or not taken seriously for saying it five times in a two sentence post.
I mean this is 4Chins, if I was on a more serious website or talking IRL to a lad who doesn't know any better I'd be a bit more diplomatic because I'm not a spastic retard (usually). No one here is actually offended including the anons who also just so happen to own a Sig product or two (hopefully one of their optics or earlier firearm designs instead).
We're all just having fun pissing on a shitty company that absolutely deserves it.

>>64065021
>We're all just having fun pissing on a shitty company that absolutely deserves it.
I understand that but people even take that seriously

>>64059123 (OP)
>kills you when you put it on the table
it aint great

>>64065049
They deserved it. What you don't understand is that these guns only fire on their own if they would hit a moleman

>>64065068
big if true

Could you turn it into an automatic with one of these?

>>64059123 (OP)
Ignoring the self discharging issue, these pistols are incredible MID and the only feature is having a marginally nicer trigger than an OEM Glock. It's painfully middle of the road and the play between slide and frame is sloppy and feels cheap. It really isn't that good and it's amazing what striker fanboys will settle for.

>>64065244
I imagine many bought into the hype because it's "military grade" with that contract win.
Outside of that, can't see why people give a shit when there are so many other options. Guess there's the brand loyalty retards, but that kind of stupidity is practically a mental illness in itself.

>>64065244
I'm going to talk as a guy who only carries metal frame guns, but all polymer feels cheap. The slide to frame stuff is a little overstated if you ask me. I've certainly picked up LEO trade in Glocks that rattled like maracas. I can definitely see why people would have preferred it because it did feel pretty good as far as how it fits your hand.

>>64065257
As you stated, brand loyalty and mil contracts are the reason it got so much attention. I personally know folks who got one and love it for some reason, it's their prerogative I guess. I just don't see the appeal when I've held and shot guns that felt way better, and personally don't have the funds or the time to piss away on something that isn't even that nice of a pistol to begin with in my experience.
>>64065271
The ones I handled, the slide play really stood out to me, it felt like the kind of shitty tolerance I'd expect of a shitty turk or hue pistol, not Sig of all things. It does feel fine in the hand I'll give it that much, however shooting it just really didn't stand out as anything more than "Yeah, that's a gun"

>>64059123 (OP)
I’ll buy one and let you know after sig is sued to shit and I can pick one up for 50 bucks.

>>64065192
>320's become an NFA item over night because some autisti/k/ nut case buys a vibrator (or likely already has one) to do some bro science innawood

>>64065309
To be honest, that's just the striker gun experience. Nothing about them is really exceptional.

>>64059123 (OP)
Strikers are a cheap-out, plastic is a major cheap-out, now they're making shit in India? I'm bot surprised at all that Sig failed as badly as they did. They went way to cheap when quality has already been being sacrificed for decades. This is late stage capitalism: the gun.

>>64059123 (OP)
No, it's worse.

>>64059123 (OP)
>be holster manufacturer
>intentionally design your holster to have P320's and only P320's go off in them on their own
>this happens 109 times
Why must holster manufacturers hate Sig Sauer so?

>>64059242
because not everybody wants plain black or hot pink, tan/fde always had a good aesthetic to it as well as being functional camo.

>>64059123 (OP)
>is the modern equivalent of a Nambu bad
Yeah

>>64059809
respected firearms dont discharge like this. stop being a sigfag

>>64059809
>be Ruger
>accidentally release a flawed or dangerous firearm
>recall said product and fix said firearms free of charge
They've got one of the best warranty's in practice despite having virtually no written warranty.
>b-b-but muh Bill Ruger!!
He's been dead for decades and they've done a 180 on all his Fuddshit since then.

>be Siggers
>accidentally release a flawed or dangerous firearm
>bribe your way to the top in a major military contract and manage to avoid all not drop safe or holster safe
>gaslight anyone who says it's flawed or dangerous as hating the 2A and that they're basically Bloombergs mouthpiece
>offer a trigger 'upgrade' from your custom shop for a small fee in a vain attempt to avoid legal recourse
>'upgrade' doesn't fix any of the issues to any meaningful degree like they'd hope
>double down and grift off muh 'American company' despite originally being German/Swiss and only having set up shop in the US rather recently in the past decade to avoid being sued by Hanz for making shit products that didn't live up to the Bundeswehr's standards to the point they're just contracting CZ for cheap reliable handguns now
>also use cheap mim parts from India
>Rob Cohen
LOL

>>64069354
I'm sorry your ass is still sore from the handgun trials. Maybe next time

>>64069461
>Maybe next time
Given the air force, dozens of police departments, and competitive ranges are dumping 320's in the trash 'next time' probably ain't all that far off.

>>64059242
Americans are owned by Israel and Israel will soon demand more of them to die in the middle-east.

>>64069469
AF resumed issuing it, you dumbass