If a T-800 Terminator appeared at a modern U.S. police station, would today’s officers fare better than those from 1984? Modern police have access to AR-15s equipped with red dot sights, lasers, and weapon lights, while in 1984, officers wielded full-auto M16A1s against the Terminator. Would these advancements have made any difference?

>>64066715 (OP)
Yeah just get the IT faggot to point his flipper zero at him. Next question.

>>64066715 (OP)
No, 80s cops showed up to shoot outs with revolvers. Today's officers are fucking pussies who would run away with their dressed up AR-15s.

>>64066715 (OP)
If it was a major metropolitan police for like LA? Terminator would bag some officers for sure but they have high explosives and LAWs in inventory and I’m sure other shit too, which is explicitly shown to be his weakness if even homemade explosives can severely disable him. Dallas PD might just BF3 it with a C4’ed up drone like they did that one mass shooter.

>>64066734
When the T-800 showed up at the police HQ, the cops had access to M16A1s in from their armories

>>64066741
Ah yes, high explosives, LAWs and C4 against a heavily armed human that's packing body armor underneath that leather jacket. You dumb fuck, they're not supposed to know it's a fucking terminator from the start.

>>64066715 (OP)
The T800 is magic. At the station shootout a officer shot the T800 in the back with a M16A1 at point blank range, even with ball ammo that should cause damage but the writers just say "hyperalloy" and bullets don't work anymore (unless it's a shotgun for some fucking reason).

>>64066783
It's supposedly made of tugsten and titanium alloy, which is extremely tough. It was literally a walking APC.

The initial attack would still be the same as the film. Confusion from an active shooter brazen enough to attack a police station in a major metropolitan city would paralyze the command structure of the department. Initial call would be an active shooter in progress at the police department. By the time anyone would realize they perp wasn't taking any damage half the department would be dead or dying. Maybe in a major police department they have their own SWAT department would the response be more immediate in initial firepower but anything the police is packing would be awfully inadequate to destroy a T-800. Only after the surrounding department come in to aid and lay siege to the site would information about the situation be more accurately known & countermeasures be taken such as explosive devices strapped onto an EOD robot or stuff

>tl;dr entire precinct would get wiped before they blow it up

>>64066715 (OP)
Nothing would change, given that they wouldn't know what they're up against. You need heavier weapons to take down a Terminator, so if they think it's just a man and they're unprepared, they'll just be attacking him with small arms.
If people were somehow aware of what a terminator is, it wouldn't be that hard to taken down, though it would obviously require some planning and preparation.

>>64066715 (OP)
No. The robot would just pick up a phone and SWAT plus ICE Sarah Connor and call it a day.

>>64066783
Are you fucking retarded?

>>64066847
>they wouldn't know what they're up against.
everyone has seen the movie dude. If arnie shows up with that leather jacket dual wielding long guns to the LAPD headquarters they are all going to bolt. They already know he is impervious to gunfire.

>>64066820
>explosive devices
Wouldn't a modern AP round to the head still be enough to cause some serious damage if not outright drop it though? Skynet was retarded enough to put the CPU in the head, so a significantly hard hit there should take out a terminator just as well as a human.

>>64066820
they would have to basically trick it into exploding itself on an improvised bomb, maybe someone is smart enough on the SWAT team to make an EFP if they have a day or two to plan

basically I think a T-800 wouldn't be smart enough to notice that a few guys are firing from behind cover to lure it into a position where an IED could be command detonated and basically try and blast a basketball size hole through his torso. They seem to get pretty wrapped up in the "TERMINATE" part they walk into traps pretty commonly...

the other option I think is to basically just crush it, they're strong but not like, infinitely so. The SWAT team likely has access to some pretty heavy vehicles and equipment or could get access to it, up armor them for small arms and basically just make a mobile hydraulic press, his arch nemesis next to molten steel.. if they have access to a .50 of any type he's also probably fucked

>>64066902
modern 5.56? probably not, it's made of like bullshit-titanium alloy that's basically impervious to small arms fire, I bet even things that look vulnerable like the hydraulics and pistons are all made of it so he's extremely durable

I bet 7.62x51 NATO would be not fun for him to get absolutely fucking hosed by but I dont think it would stop him, you gotta remember once you start firing, a non-movie, non-arnold T-800 is going to snap shot you off the gun with literal aimbot like it should do 100% of the time

>>64066920
A basic problem for your scenario here and same thing for you OP >>64066715 (OP) is that the T-800 comes from the future, whether it's going to 1984 or 1994 or 2025. Skynet would program it with knowledge of whatever time it was landing in, which is fucking trivial, Skynet can literally just look up "what were LEAs armed with at time X", I mean shit given public records laws and such Skynet could probably literally just give it the EXACT armaments of the entirety of the United States, every organization everywhere, at the time the Terminator lands. A database of everything would take a meaningless fraction of the petabytes of data storage a terminator would have. The entirety of Wikipedia text is about 25 gigs, and even if you add in media it's like 100 gigs.

So it's not going to be surprised by robots of the era or use of IEDs or the like, unless it's against someone with movie plot armor. All tactics and personnel and their histories will be right there for it.

>>64066936
Your theory falls apart seeing as Skynet was supposed to go online in 1997 and it has no fucking idea what things are like now. Its essentially from another timeline.

>>64066920
A SWAT bearcat plowing it over and over is probably the best shot, if it doesn't outright kill it, it'll definitely skin the terminator and fuck up its servos and joints like the pipebomb did.

>>64066936
They're aware of it that doesn't mean they have preminition abilities, they are literally tricked multiple times in the movies basically because of their stupid bloodlust to "terminate"

>>64066816
Another thing to keep in mind is scifi is limited by the knowledge of the time.
For all we know a superawesome super AI is able to accurately simulation test and permutate billions of materials and something that works in the future could be radically different, like molecularly interweaved hybrid amorphous ceramic/fiber/metal that can dissipate most antimateriel fire and suffer only armor layer loss at the impact point of some tungsten from a .50

Hell, just from today's knowledge, Terminator written smartly today would have composited-layer armor blends that are electromagentically controlled and react to the size and force of an impact.

>>64066872
It's the current year, buddy. The police department in LA is probably full of women and minorities, who haven't seen the movie, but have seen all the woke shit where a single woman can take down 10 Arnolds, and where minorities never lose to whites.
They'd stand their ground and send in their smallest, most ethnic woman, expecting a win.

>>64066783
A terminator weights over 1,000 lbs. Assuming half that weight is dedicated to armor, it could shield the entire surface area of a humanoid with inch thick carbon steel. Plus advances in materials, that thing is a walking tank.

>>64066715 (OP)
>a T-800 Terminator appeared at a modern U.S. police station, would today’s officers fare better than those from 1984?
American police? No.

Ukrainian police? They would just blow up him with FPV drone. This is the thing people just didn't recognized. Yet. But drone like smartphones are future shock. They cancel all previous perception of the future
No realy, insert drones into all "future vision" Sci Fi franchises. Terminator. Aliens. Predator. Drones. Drones. Drones. It's all makes trivial without heroism or risks. Drones trivially blow up everything.

>>64067232
>>64066783
Terminator T-800 died to a single pipe bomb.
Do You remember all these videos of Russian mobiks blown to bits by Ukrainian FPV drones with explosives warheads? This is why your T-800 super cyborg dying to AliExpress toy. This is the future nobody predicted.

Reality is reality. Physics are physics Its sensory organs would quicky be disrupted by all that lead, and if you heated it hot enough it would be fucked. Park a big rig it and douse it in diesel. Vin Diesel just to be sure.

>>64067318
>T-800 super cyborg dying to AliExpress toy.
all T-models have integrated drone jammers.

>>64067318
>Terminator T-800 died to a single pipe bomb.
no it was split in twain, it did not die to the bomb. It had to be crushed.

>>64067318
>Terminator T-800 died to a single pipe bomb
Reese then lodges his final pipe bomb into its midsection, blowing it apart, but at the cost of his own life. Its still-functional torso then pursues Sarah, but she manages to lure it into a hydraulic press that she uses to crush it, finally destroying the cyborg.

>>64066715 (OP)
I also watch that brit fag's new vid on the guns of T1. He said Cameron was anit gun these days. Makes me sad.

>>64067318
>>64067318
Yeah

>>64066715 (OP)
>Will adding fancy optics to our AR-15's help against the killer Android impervious to 5.56mm?
No.

>>64066715 (OP)
>no phased plasma rifle in the 40W range
NGMI

>>64066715 (OP)
How you stopping a terminator with just bullets? Isnt its skeleton some super durable future alloy?

>>64067447
>Reese then lodges his final pipe bomb into its midsection,
His pipe bomb is 300 grams of gunpowder, about 150 grams of TNT equivalent. Ukrainian HE pack for FPV drones is 2000 grams of thermobaric explosives, about 3000 grams of TNT equivalent. Your T-800 cyborg would be blown to small bits.
Future is now unc.

>>64067595
>Your T-800 cyborg would be blown to small bits.
no, it would at most again be split in half if the bomb was placed in its guts or thorax.

>>64066862
Are you retarded (you are) because everything I said is objectively correct.

>>64067064
>They'd stand their ground and send in their smallest, most ethnic woman
Imagine if instead of terminator shooting them he just decided to manhandle them. Pants them! Start spanking their warm plump brown little butts! Then they would squirm and writhe and squeal "aye papi!" while they tried to get away haha.

>>64067595
>krainian HE pack for FPV drones
also they would have drone jammers, at least, if not the capacity to ahck any nearby drone and control it.

>>64067708
I really dont understand why he wouldnt just be able to shoot it out of the air

>>64067713
yes, that as well.

>>64067713
Because with such skill cybrorgs would 360 no scope film heroes as soon as they would come in their line of sight.
That is the point, capabilities needed to deal with drones completely ruin "game balance" you cant have any fun near drones.

>>64066741
Gee why didn't they just hit these retards with a rocket launcher?

You could probably slowly stop a T-800 by shooting it's joints and actuators with rifles. But the issue is it's torso and head are protected by at least 20mm or 30mm of the fictional hyperalloy armor, assuming it's above the best current materials AP .50 BMG rounds are going to be needed at a minimum. When it's disguised with human flesh the police have to reason to think center mass rifle shots wont work. While shooting the joints might be feasible the movie terminators are terrible shots due to plot reasons, realistically they would likely outshoot humans. You would probably need 10 people armed with rifles and aware of it's weak areas to bring it down.

>>64066741
>Dallas PD might just BF3 it with a C4’ed up drone like they did that one mass shooter.
>*quad drone zips on down but suddenly stops*
>"No brother, we're fighting the humans now."
>*turns back to the squad that sent it*
>*drops bomb on Dallas police's ass instead*

>>64068021
>>64067708
There is no indication the T-800 has anything remotely like a signal receiver or emitter let alone the ability to hack systems with it. It's from a divergent timeline where robotics and electronics were fighting a nuked, near-extinct 1997 humanity, not our peak tech level 2025 humanity. For all we know, the drone is simply more advanced than the endoskeleton in this scenario.

The terminator 3 T-X model needed to physically breach systems to hack it and that was a much more advanced model than the T-800. Skynet is kinda old tech now, even a shitass LLM like ChatGPT can pretrend to be a human much better than the terminators.

>>64067816
They did that shit with 5.56 and 308 in the movies. Didn't do shit. You needs 12 gauge slugs to even affect it. Not kill but just to slow it or make it stumble. Small arms did fuck all.

>>64068240
The original movie had the terminator flinching and being knocked out cold by a 12ga police shotgun at the technoir shootout, and police at the time didnt load pissing hot heavy slugs to kill armor, but regular buckshot. At the station they shot it with 5.56 out of M16A1s which must have been very mediocre ammo compared to current black tips or even M855A1.

>>64067595
why are you pretending like drones are your invention, zoom zoom?

>>64067232
You think an inch thick piece of steel nearly the same surface area of an adult human would weigh 500 fucking pounds?

>>64068301
The five shots from the shotgun must have rattled something internally without penetrating, it ALMOST makes sense as shotgun rounds have more momentum than 5.56 and so might "shake" him more and jostle some computer component enough to make him freeze up for a couple seconds.

>>64066715 (OP)
The t-800 has all the advantages here. The police station gets wiped out.

>>64066936
>Skynet can literally just look up "what were LEAs armed with at time X"
Skynet, doesn’t have good pre-judgement day records. Hence this scene

It could and likely would figure out what the police have before the attack, but it doesn’t know that innately.

>>64066715 (OP)
>>advancements
Ahhh, if full auto isn't getting it done from a full length barrel then slower cyclic rate slower bullets aren't going to do it.

>>64067741
>cybrorgs would 360 no scope film heroes as soon as they would come in their line of sight
That's how Kyle's brother died.

>>64068386
>Skynet, doesn’t have good pre-judgement day records. Hence this scene
That line is because the T800 defaults to answering when talked to, and usually with "factual" information, when it has no reason to conceal it.
He answered honestly with "what he wanted" not "what he wanted out of what's available". It also replied to "you can't do that" automatically even though he had no "reason" to.
His "social programming" is actually kind of crude, even though his ability to adapt to new information is high.

>>64067741
>Skeet shooters are invincible

>>64067318
>This is why your T-800 super cyborg dying to AliExpress toy.
How many American police departments have FPV drones rigged with explosive warheads?

Though really. As this anon points out >>64066754 it's a pretty basic conceit of the Terminator movies that the authorities be unaware/disbelieving about the whole time traveling killer cyborg thing. Cause as soon as anyone important buys into that you get shit loads of soldiers armed with anti-armor/material weapons to hunt it down. That, and hopefully be smart enough to either not build Skynet, or at least not give it autonomous control over the nukes.

>>64068301
>police at the time didnt load pissing hot heavy slugs to kill armor,
i dunno what the cops used but the fuckoff big singular holes seems alot like slugs to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuFkEzwi58o