>criminal shot 14 times with .45 ACP in fatal locations, continued to shoot at cops
>wasn't on drugs

https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/

>>64067429 (OP)
clearly weren't very fatal.

The only off buttons are the heart and the CNS. If you hit neither, you did nothing but poke a hole and it will take minutes to hours for blood loss to do its thing. It does not matter what caliber you have. It does not matter what bullets you use. It does not matter what brand your pistol is.

handguns are objectively ass

>>64067429 (OP)
>muh .45/10mm is a MANSTOPPER

>>64067429 (OP)
45boomers, our response?

>>64067429 (OP)
>“I tried a couple of ricochet rounds that didn’t connect. Then I told myself, ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better
I like how this is a few paragraphs down from describing the 10 year old skating in the driveway kek

>>64067429 (OP)
It was a 56 second gunfight where the initial shots fired from the .45 were fired from inside a vehicle through the windshield first then into the target. That alone with a hollow point is going to mess with things. Hitting a hard barrier at an angle then flying on to the target for a second impact.
Not to mention that 56 seconds seems like an eternity in a gunfight, but it's not enough time for fainting to take effect. Even with heart and lung shots. A 308 through both lungs of a deer very often results in a 100 yard run before it lays down and dies.
Unless you start poking holes in Grey matter or sever the spinal/nerve connections if it's an pistol you are in it for the long haul.

>>64067511
40 cal chads stay winning, windshields are no problem to .40 s&w or 10mm even with hollow points

>>64067429 (OP)
>Now unfailingly he goes to work carrying 145 handgun rounds, all 9 mm. These include three extra 17-round magazines for his primary sidearm (currently a Glock 17), plus two 33-round mags tucked in his vest
Its hilarious to me that there's a cop out there walking around with 2 stendos on his carrier

>>64067543
>no boot revolver
>no pocket .380
>no shoulder .22
>no armpit .32
>no cup holder 9mm
>no steering wheel 10mm
>no glovebox .45
Even 145 rounds isnt enough, you need twice that much on your person alone

/hg/ won't like THIS one...

>>64067593
This shit has it’s such old news that I’m suprised anyone here is even discussing it. I remember talking about it a decade ago.
Bunch of newfags.

>>64067429 (OP)
>WHAT?! 14 SHOTS FROM MY MEME CALIBER DIDN'T PUT HIM DOWN?! BETTER CARRY A GORILLION MORE ROUNDS JUST TO MAKE SURE
God they are so fucking stupid. Weak pistol rounds need to just die already. How many cases are enough before the average cop admits 9/.45 just isn't a manstopper cartridge?

>>64067537
Usually when tested you are shooting from OUTSIDE the vehicle into a seated target behind it. Not shooting in the vehicle through the windshield into a target 7 yards away.
That said 45 would have been fine had he been carrying fmjs. One of the reasons 45 was dropped by police was overpenn.
40 is a good round. As is 10mm and .45. 9 is shit

>>64067429 (OP)
This is ancient news.

>>64067593
>thread needs bumped
>too proud to simply post 'bump'
>insinuate that a group of people would be mad to hear this information

>>64067608
>>64067630
>>64067631
Seethe harder.

>>64067429 (OP)
>fatal
>no heart shots
>no headshots
Wouldn't have made a fucking difference with 9mm.

>>64067626
>bro look the jello I dug out of my mom's fridge!
go away

>>64067719
If it does that to a jello man compared to the other cartridges, what do you think it will do to a body?

Gelatin isn't meant to be flesh, it's just a medium to compare the effectiveness of cartridges

>>64067429 (OP)
Obviously another case of lizard people, only other case like this in recorded history was the lizard person preacher who got shot by that veteran who found him out. Not that that will stop 9mmlets from using the only two modern examples we have of a grievous failure for .45 to perform to cope over the weekly cases of 9mm doing the same.

>>64067744
It's for comparing penetration depth. It doesn't tell you anything else.
>what do you think it will do to a body?
Poke a roughly 10mm hole in it.

>>64067537
Heavier projectiles help for going through windshields.

>>64067751
>all bullets are LE SAME
>all bullets only effects things IN LE STRAIGHT LINE IN FRONT OF THEM
>all bullets are…LE HOLE POKERS
Okay retard go stand in front a shotgun slug and tell me you will react the same as when you stand in front of a .22

>>64067761
Yes anon, your 10mm is no more effective than 9mm. No, the extra 50 ft lbs don't do anything.

>b-but compare a .22lr to a slug!
We're comparing two weak pistol calibers to eachother, keep up. 10mm is trash. Its only job is to generate more recoil, which translates to less effectiveness, and interpenetrate. That is all its good for.

>.45 Auto
>not .45 Super
NGMI

>>64067771
>no more effective
>extra 50ftlbs
Are we looking at the same image?

>>64067629
Handgun FMJs actually don't tend to perform well through automotive barriers. The nose geometry isn't what really matters, it's how tough the core is and how well the jacket is bonded to that core. If you're wanting to do better than modern bonded JHPs then the right answer is a copper monolithic design, or MAYBE some really hard hardcasts.

>>64067785
Yes, you mashed the jello slightly harder. Unfortunately for you, humans aren't made of jello.

>>64067629
Shooting in, aim low, shooting out, aim high. The retired FBI HRT dude who did my ccw class 20 years ago taught us that. That's basic car shooting stuff.

>>64067793
>humans aren't made of jello
Water, calcium and protein opens a hollow point just as good

>>64067793
>slightly
One looks like a hole poked through, the other looks comparable to a shotgun impact.
>humans aren't made of jello
I'm sure in a meat target it will definitely be underwhelming. Everyone knows human bodies are made of vibranium, just use 5.7 bro, poke the holes bro

>>64067771
>Retards on the internet: ALL HANDGUN CALIBER ARE THE SAME!!! STOP MAKING FUN OF ME FOR CARRYING A .32 IT DOESNT HECKIN MATTER!!!
>handgun hunters who actually shoot living things with their guns: caliber absolutely matters, and velocities of over 1300fps are notably better than those below
>Forensics pathologists: under direct examination or X-ray a .357 magnum wound looks more like a rifle wound than a handgun wound
Hmmm, who should I believe, people parroting the talking points of the notoriously WRONG FBI famous for pushing bad science and who have been sued multiple times for their firearms not being DEI friendly enough? Or people with photographic evidence/real world experience, and forensics textbooks? What a tough choice

>>64067818
Forensics is pseudoscience. For decades they pretended they could match bullets to firearms.
>>64067814
Yes, slightly.
>irrelevant nonsense
No one cares about your mashed jello though, it doesn't mean anything. Humans aren't made of jello.

>>64067537
And a .380 flat points are better than .40 JHPs through glass. What's your point?>>64067793
The mahority of people are literally incapable of understanding that. Tell them that skin is worth about 4" of gel (actual ordnance grade gel at proper temperature) or how poorly arrows penetrate and it just doesn't compute.

>>64067429 (OP)
He was a early 20s black male
There's your issue there. They're literally super-predators. It's like how a pitbull will keep fighting even with its guts hanging out. 100% aggression and zero brain.
Allowing them to spread around the world has been a crime against humanity.

>>64067818
When people say bullets only poke holes so it doesn't matter the speed or size it grinds my gears because hollow points rely on the exact fact that bullets aren't just about the things directly in front of them. When a bullet loses those ft/lbs and slows to a stop, it gets ejected into the body. Every little number of it. That energy doesn't just magically "disappear"

>>64067830
>the difference is massive but it evens out when pit in a 10% harder medium
Okay bro

>>64067830
Ironic choice or arguments, considering the FBI pushed that along with bite mark matching, hair type matching, and about half a dozen other frauds. Not that any of that is a reasonable counter claim to my post.

>>64067449
>>64067715

Way to not read the fucking article dipshits.

>>64067837
>. Tell them that skin is worth about 4" of gel
That's on exit though, not on entrance, skin behaves way differently when it's supported by the body behind it than it does when it isn't. Like trying to poke a hole through a thick/tough cloth that's on a backing of some sort vs free hanging

>>64067856
That energy is less than a punch. It can't do anything. If I slap you, are your organs rupturing? No? Bullet does the same.

The difference is irrelevant because the medium is not the same as flesh and does not behave the same.
>b-but it does better that means it will do better in a different medium!
5.56 performs poorly in water due to fragmenting immediately and failing to penetrate. Subsonic rounds on the other hand can penetrate deeper.

Medium matters and extrapolating one medium to another doesn't work. "But it did better at a meaningless task!" Doesn't correspond to anything.
>>64067857
Two things:
>1
You don't know what irony means and are illiterate.
>2
I haven't shilled for the FBI and do not care what they think, your attempt at a strawman means nothing to me.

>>64067883
This guy reddit spaces, ignore anything he says regardless of its merits

>>64067883
>Energy of a punch can't do anything
>All of the people beaten to death suddenly don't exist
If I was illiterate then I wouldn't be communicating in writing. If the FBI doesn't have any credibility then the works of urey Patrick, Dr fackler, and Dr Roberts who created and pushed the "all handguns are the same" meme and popularized it back in the 90s and 2000s don't either.

>>64067928
>If I was illiterate then I wouldn't be communicating in writing
Incorrect. Just because you can write doesn't mean you can read. Literacy requires comprehension.
>Energy of a punch can't do anything
Correct.
>popularized it back in the 90s and 2000s don't either.
That's fantastic, I don't care about appeals to authority, only facts. The fact is bullets just poke tiny holes in people, coroners can't tell the difference between hollowpoints and FMJ, and 10mm offers nothing but deeper penetration.

>"Gramins fired back through his windshield, sending a total of 13 rounds tearing through just three holes."
>" Any one of six of these wounds – in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney – could have produced fatal consequences, “in time,”
I'm curious what kind of ammo he was using. Do all police forces us FMJ, or was he using a hollow point?

>>64067951
>If you disagree with me you're illiterate
>Blunt force trauma does not exist
>I don't care about appeals to authority, only facts.
>Proceeds to make a claim with no supporting evidence except for a vague appeal to authority
Lmao the absolute state. The source youre attempting to reference didn't involve coroners, it was a group of surgeons. They were asked to tell the difference between .45 FMJ and 9mm FMJ wound tracts in ballistics gelatin without any frame of reference or measuring tools. Wanna guess who the guy was who arranged all of that and then publicized it to push that narrative?

Lmao, I take shits that know more about this topic than you do

>>64067951
>That's fantastic, I don't care about appeals to authority, only facts. The fact is bullets just poke tiny holes in people, coroners can't tell the difference between hollowpoints and FMJ, and 10mm offers nothing but deeper penetration.
You are fucking retarded. You probably heard that coroners have trouble telling the difference between different calibers of FMJ and your brain twisted that into "no difference between all bullets". Go shoot some animals sometime, you 100% see the difference even without medical training.

>>64068034
>source
I didn't reference a source, I stated a fact.
>aaahhh reee muh authority it needs a source muh fbi muh doctors muh muh
I don't care. I am not talking about them and haven't. That's all you.
>Lmao, I take shits that know more about this topic than you do
I've been arguing with an Indian woman?

>>64068040
I have shot numerous animals and found the only difference comes when stepping up to rifle calibers.

>>64068041
Ah, so you have no actual sources at all, your head cannon is that coroners can't tell the difference and so it must be fact. Truly an amazingly persuasive point, considering I can actually quote pathologists saying the opposite.

>>64067856
>>When a bullet loses those ft/lbs and slows to a stop, it gets ejected into the body.
Ahhh, yes but no. A bullet from the common pistol calibers does not carry enough energy to surpass the stretch limits of human tissues. The faster the impact, the greater the resistance. Expanding pistol bullets are designed to use the impact and travel through resistance to expand the bullet. It's momentum that is carrying the bullet through on a basic level. Energy is a largely irrelevant number in pistol bullets when it comes to damage done. A 500ftlb punch is what a teenager would hit you with. Put that on the surface area of a bullet and you just have a bullet sized hole.
Most of that energy is completely burned up overcoming impact resistance and expanding. It just doesn't matter.
Until you have enough energy to surpass the stretch capacity of skin, organ and bone nothing is happening that resembles a high velocity rifle round. As a matter of fact the black talon was popular because veins and arteries that were normally pushed aside by the usual expanding pistol bullets were sliced by the pointed pedals increasing bleeding and speeding up the time the person shot was incapacitated.

>>64067511
>Even with heart and lung shots. A 308 through both lungs of a deer very often results in a 100 yard run before it lays down and dies.
And that's why we should normalize carrying 20mm HEI as standard.

>>64068052
I don't start to see gelatinous tissues until the bullets approach 2500 fps. Even the .44 or 45-70 from 60 yards or so just seems to poke holes.

>>64068082
That's correct. You finally realized I wasn't citing sources, all the while I was not citing sources? That's great, does that mean you'll stop trying to make up arguments about sources I never cited?

Now here's a question for you: do you have even thought in your head that didn't come from someone else? Or do you need to look up a source to decide that? Maybe consult chatgpt?

>>64068159
>Whole argument was "some coroners said..."
>Can't even name or quote these people
>do you have even thought in your head that didn't come from someone else?
We've definitely crossed the line from funny into pathetic at this point, there's no point in talking to or banting with somebody who is actually this retarded.

>>64068156
>Google 45-70 for deer hunting
>Look at the pictures of deer shot with 45-70
It's wild to me how the 9mmlets have 0 problem going around outright lying and pretending to be other people just to push their narrative

>>64068277
No, that's not the whole argument. Go back and read it.

>>64067429 (OP)
Semi unrelated but on paper .45 gap is actually pretty kino

>>64068285
Most deer especially in woodland cover are shot inside 20 yards. I also take offense to being called a fan of 9mm. I wouldn't touch that shit. Not even if it's stuffed in a 357 sig case.
Take a look at 45-70 shot mule deer at over 60 yards.

>>64068285
Entry wounds from the 4570 on a 30 yard shot.

>>64067429 (OP)
Pistols suck at killing people. I had a patient once that was shot around half a dozen times. He was incapacitated on scene, but he made it through surgery juat fine once we got him to the hospital and he walked out the door of the hospital not that long after. Usually it isn't that extreme, but if you're alive when the ambulance gets there, your odds are pretty good.

>>64068285
Exit wound 4570 30 yards
As you can see it is nothing at all like you would see from 308, 270 ect

>thread about .45
>argument over 9mm
every other caliber kneels at the altar of the parabellum, this is undisputed

>>64068322
>>64068335
You literally just pulled that single cherry picked example off of Google from a forum post from 2002, ignoring all of the ones with fist sized holes in them

>>64068389
I picked an example from a 30 yard shot. I set the distance from my experience at over 60 yards. Do you have an example from over 60 yards not being as i claimed?
I think you are a bit tarded.

>>64068389
Because you are fucking retarded I'll explain WHY distance matters. The traditional 405g 45-70 bullet is traveling about 1350-1400fps when chronographed or less out past 60 yards. It sheds velocity like your mom sheds clothing when I take out a ten dollar bill.