Pic related.

What's that? I'm seeing it being posted here and there all the time, especially here. Details are too close to believe it was just someones vivid immagination, a fastmover of some sort? Funny that the picture appeared roughly at the same time when Blackbird faded away...

People have been speculating about Aurora/SENIOR CITIZEN/SR-72 for decades at this point. The truth of the matter has been mixed up with wild stories of reactionless drives and antigravity engines and shit. If it ever existed, it's probably abandoned now, and was never nearly as groundbreaking as people imagine. A manned reconnaissance platform isn't a very attractive option in the current era of IADS and satellite tracking.
I think the really spicy black projects have to do with more boring things, like swarming drones or long-endurance UUVs or some shit. Stuff that would be really nasty to discover if you were trying to, say, perform an amphibious invasion of Taiwan, but nothing physics-defying. And if there are superweapons being developed that break the current nuclear-weapon paradigm, I expect them to stay deeply under wraps, never seeing use and never even getting tested except in the middle of absolutely fucking nowhere, unless an actual nuclear war breaks out.

Nuclear thermal rockets like NERVA
>A militarized moon base
>A goddamn Orion nuclear pulse propelled interplanetary battleship
>Rocket guns
>Powered exoskeletons for aircraft loading/maintenance
>Nuclear ramjet cruise missiles that sprayed Cobalt 60 death over enemy territory in between nuke drops
>Militarized space capsules (Blue Gemini, Salyut /Almaz)
>Militarized space planes (DynaSoar, MiG-105)
>HOTOL, NASP, and Saenger II spaceplanes
>Caseless ammunition assault weapons
>Supersonic civilian airliners like the Concorde, Tu144, Lockheed L-2000, Boeing 2707

>>64072497 (OP)
>What's that?
Let's just say there's a reason the ayys had to cut back on abductions after the 90s.

>>64072522
it was probably just something based on kingfish

>>64072688
What makes you think that?

>>64072497 (OP)
Something rendered ineffective by drones. It's 2025 not 1985.

>>64072522
Source of the rumors might be facts+extrapolation. Skunkworks absolutely seriously investigated doing an SR-71 successor with a hydrogen engine, it's not secret, Ben Rich talks about it in memoir on Skunkworks (which every aviation interested kommando should 100% read, excellent book). But at the time they concluded it just wasn't feasible, the computers, material science and so on in the 60s and 70s couldn't do it. I can see how some of the advancements since then might make it more doable on a purely technical level, though obviously it'd still run into all the normal budget and value tradeoffs.

But if it can paper in at all of course people will run with it, and I guess it's not impossible that some black project at least did some serious updated studies though the brutal reality of post-Cold War budget cuts, increased transparency etc kinda kills a lot of the room for mystery surprises that once existed. Who wants to let boring reality get in the way though lol.

>>64072726
nothing really , kinda just a guess. the timing with the a-12 being approved right before the gary powers shootdown and it being retired so quickly relatively speaking feels like a pivot to a new platform, and its the other more-aggressive technologically proposal that was already on hand. corona was there too, but would they really take the risk of putting all their overflight capabilities into an unproven platform that was more limited in other ways? maybe

>>64072793
Unironically the only thing that wasn't feasible was the fuel capacity and flight time. Everything else they had down pat.

>>64072522
1/2

>>64073491
2/2

are there any current black projects that you guys know about? everything i know about seems to be decades old

>>64073466
>Unironically the only thing that wasn't feasible was the fuel capacity and flight time. Everything else they had down pat.
No, this was well before all the metallurgy and expertise that came out of the Apollo program and so on, Kelly Johnson started looking at it before the SR71 even rolled out. Hydrogen causing all sorts of embrittlement problems, storage and how to cool things in atmosphere for long periods, that was hard (and remains so, the military has had a damned hard time doing high hypersonic scramjets even for missiles). And refueling would be just as critical, but refueling with LH2 in air is an entire additional challenge and of course a massive project in terms of air assets by itself. Saying they had "everything else down pat" for a project that never even got off of paper is quite the assertion.

>>64073498
if this is true why the secrecy still to this day? And why haven't pulse detonation engines reappeared until very recently

>turns your entire country into an irradiated shithole
nothing personal chuddy

>>64073580
Not what the Rich says in the book at all.

>>64073576
>are there any current black projects that you guys know about? everything i know about seems to be decades old
I don't know if it's spoopy or secret enough to be a "black project" but while I can't find anything official I would be willing to bet my left nut that the US has been spending a not insignificant amount of time and money quietly working on a new GLCM system. They have the Typhon, obviously, but I think they're working on something more mobile like the original Gryphon.

God just imagine what it would be like to shoot-and-scoot with a fucking TLAM.

>>64074250
everything is so lame now :(

Not even during the manhattan project was new physics discovered. Everyone knew a nuclear bomb could be done due to civilian, public international research. All of europe knew a nuke was possible before it was done.
The physicist hired into the manhattan project were employed to solve details on how to implement it, that is all.
The idea that the military is capable of discovering new, secret physics on their own when the international research community can't is absurd.
Therefor it is obvious that any new, even secret, plane will have to follow the same old boring rules of thermodynamics which have been common knowledge for a long time.
This fundamentally limits performance, any dreams of antigravity, suborbital flight, etc is absurd.
We've maxed out what air-breathing jets can do with the SR-72, all you can do is slightly increase efficiency to get a bit more range or a touch more speed.

Daily reminder Aurora was real and Tic Tacs are not human tech.

>>64074273
>everything is so lame now :(

Not unexpected when you've niggerized and islamified the leading nations of the world.

>>64072497 (OP)
>Black Projects
African Space Program.

>>64074783
>The idea that the military is capable of discovering new, secret physics on their own when the international research community can't is absurd.
This!

>>64075147
>Aurora was real
Correct.
>Tic Tacs are not human tec
Also correct, but people aren't ready to accept it yet.
And you can throw in
>the people who designed and tested Aurora know about the tic tacs but have no clue what they are or where they are from
Remember that all those 1 post replies which pop up in UAP threads using ridicule are designed to suppress discussion. It's the same tactic they've used for eighty years and it still works.

>>64074783
It's not a question of discovering new physics, it's about expanding our understanding of physics and developing new methods of bending those rules.
Which undoubtedly has occurred, but the real problem is finding ways to make practical applications of these discoveries.
Every new advancement takes an enormous amount of time, energy and resources to achieve. Taking that advancement and making it cost effective is even more difficult. So you've discovered a new alloy? Great. Now make it useful and easy to manufacture. Not so great.

>>64073644
Why would anyone make a significant advancement in tech that could be weaponized and then announce it to the world? Clearly there are instances such as the desperation to end the second world war that outweigh the need for secrecy, but in this case there is no benefit to telling everyone what you managed to create.
So you reached the limit of a technology that at best was impractical. Put it on the shelf and find something more productive and applicable.

>>64073644
pulse detonation engines are generally very shitty and inferior in every way to rotating detonation engines. Until RDEs break out of the lab, you're always better off slapping a ramjet-scramjet engine onto your hypersanic airframe

considering everyone has a camera nowadays that can take pictures of planes 40,000 feet with ease, i'm going to say that they mostly just fly prototypes in restricted areas.

many of the flying triangles people saw were almost certainly drone programs (you can find said drones and programs if you look), and many of them won't be all that loud at altitude, hence the "silent flight".

>>64075410
>considering everyone has a camera nowadays that can take pictures of planes 40,000 feet with ease
if you fly at night and/or with cloud cover you're basically invisible to civilian cameras. Even painting your underbelly blue is going to make it extremely unlikely that you'd be both spotted and recorded

>>64075533
dedicated plane spotters will pick up stuff at night. there's really no real way they can get birds off the ground that won't be spotted outside of restricted areas on lots of land.

i'm not a big proponent of lots of prototype advanced craft flying around, obviously. i've never seen anything close to it, even if i have seen test craft.

>>64074783
Considering the military funds all kinds of "new physics" research at research institutions, I am in this weird limbo where I agree and disagree with you simultaneously. Harvard, Princeton, MIT University of California, SUNY, etc etc all have glownigger programs directly affiliated with the DoD and DoE. There is a metric shitload of supposedly groundbreaking research that is published that somehow results in zero patents that is directly funded by some of the glowiest of glownigger agencies. I can give a bunch of examples.

>>64076145
post 'em

>>64076241
>The researchers
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Hau/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Dutton
>The patents (or complete lack thereof)
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Lene+Vestergaard+Hau
https://patents.google.com/?q=(Zachary)&inventor=Dutton&oq=Zachary+Dutton
>The researcher
https://minghsiehece.usc.edu/robert-hellwarth-2/
>The patents (or lack thereof)
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Robert+W.+Hellwarth
Considering they made a movie based off Hellwarth (Real Genius) and Zachary Dutton is now a fucking Vice President at Raytheon, something is amiss. The Rowland Institute is Harvard's glownigger research arm, and was founded by early CIA king glownigger Edwin Land. Dutton worked for the NRL before his graduate work at Harvard, which just so happened to fund most of this stopped and slow light research. The ONR sponsored the initial research as well that won a Nobel Prize in 1994. I can assure you, it's not for better clocks.

>>64073698
Wouldn't change a thing about Russia though

I just go off of /k/ shitposts so we got Alabama pumping out anti-gravity gadgets, underwater alien drone motherships sending AI-designed crafts out over New Jersey, planet dirt and the USS Kamikaze, Bose-einstein condensates etc etc

>>64076542
Not terribly hard to believe, honestly. At least one oft speculated US capability has it's roots in real science with commercial applications. You can thank SDI and work done at Sandia/DoE on excimer lasers and excimer lamps for EUV lithography and laser eye surgery. Speculated polariton lasing systems aren't much different from excited dimer lasing systems on a fundamental level. There is a reason why all the EUV LLC patents were originally held by Sandia National Labs (because it all started as weapons system research).

>>64072649
We mostly achieved that through better camera technology.

>>64075283
You've been spamming these threads for years. You've been told why you're a drooling monkey for years. They literally made a movie about this, retard. Go watch Dr. Strangelove. Don't post again until you do. Stop replying! Go watch the movie, it's good.

>>64076667
No it's all bullshit but if you're going to believe in bullshit then you may as well believe the coolest shit.

>>64076841
What specifically is bullshit, because I can point you to a metric fuckton of respectable institutional and military research that would disagree.

>>64072817
That platform was the CORONA program which hasn't been secret for a long time.

Good read on the subject if you have literal autism
https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/3d24f7019bf7e718fd1d2a5c57e6a646/corona.pdf

>>64077243
NOVA made an excellent full length documentary called "Astrospies". It covers CORONA, MOL, and the Soviet Almaz. Worth watching. Someone uploaded it on youtube after editing out the NOVA/PBS intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9BbdiSVPk

>>64075256
What are the theories about the origin of the Tic-tacs ? Their existence is more or less officially confirmed but we have zero clue about their nature.

>>64076306
Funnily the show The Big Bang Theory joked about this. At some point the characters work on some kind of gyro tech that could be used on missiles, and their research is funded by the MOD or the DARPA I don't remember.

>>64075647
>i'm not a big proponent of lots of prototype advanced craft flying around, obviously. i've never seen anything close to it, even if i have seen test craft.
Most Skunk Work projects remained dark for years, even the SR-71 was classified for 10 years or so after his first flight. It's not too hard to imagine that there are still a few black projects in the works. Not only in the US btw.

>>64072497 (OP)
My understanding is OP's craft was a two-seat recon aircraft made or planned for flying nap-of-earth. It only has stealth features on top and an inlet on the ventral side because it was planned to always be low and fast. I'm 50/50 on whether any tail numbers were built.
>>64072522
>Aurora/SENIOR CITIZEN/SR-72
It's satellites, speaking of boring, predictable solutions. Once electronics were up to snuff, there really wasn't a need for a pilot.
>>64073491
>>64073498
This is accurate to my knowledge. The isoborane fuel was the source of cancer lawsuits documented in Aviation Week in the late '90s.
Aurora was one program. There are an unknown number of others, both historic and ongoing.

>>64077889
You sounds like you know that aircraft. Was was that? Can we say fabeled SR-71 replacement or something else?

>>64077889
You sounds like you know that aircraft. Was was that? Can we say fabeled SR-71 replacement or something else?

Edit: I'm referring to your first paragraph where you reffer to the OP's craft

>>64076667
Specifically isn't the stuff ASML use for making their lithography machines dependent on US licenses for the tech?

>>64077889
>SR-72
Wasn't Lockmart talking about this flying sometime this year relatively recently?

>>64074783
>the idea that the military is capable of discovering new, secret physics on their own when the international research community can't is absurd
Could a military successfully snowball several generations of physicists into believing a branch of physics doesn't exist?
I'm specifically referring to antigravity and gravity shielding research. There is a hypothesis that Louis Witten discovered something interdasting in the '60s, then cooked up string theory with some help from others and his son to give physicists several decades of the run around so no one else would discover antigravity.
>>64075147
This.
>>64077756
>What are the theories about the origin of the Tic-tacs
They range from the logical but incorrect argument that it's the Navy's NEMESIS spoofing system to the wilder alien arguments. The argument against it being US ECM systems is that the Navy is on record asking for any information on the Tic Tacs. They wouldn't have said anything if it even hinted at an ongoing program. Something has been harrassing Navy ships and planes.
>>64077923
I know exactly what I posted, I don't even remember Anon naming it. The first postings on it were only a few years ago and basically nothing else. To me it looks like a stop-gap for F-35's capabilities but using '90s tech. IIRC Anon said it might have flown in concert with the F-111.
Check desuarchive.
>>64072649
>Let's just say there's a reason the ayys had to cut back on abductions after the 90s.
Now this is a tale I'd like to read.

>>64077978
As for the OP's aircraft. As you saw it naming here, do you remember any more specifics to this? Are you referring to the posts where one guy used to claim it was Convair Kingfish-derivative or are you referring to something else?

And what did you mean by saying you have it 50/50 chances on whether aby tail numbers were built - what did you mean my here?

>>64077978
>The argument against it being US ECM systems is that the Navy is on record asking for any information on the Tic Tacs.
What if it's a bait to evaluate the capabilities of foreign sigint for example?

>>64072649
>TFW 9/11 was allowed to happen (sorta like the attack on Pearl Harbor) in order to give a reason for the military to siphon off a lot of money.

>>64078060
>specifics
>are you referring to the posts where one guy used to claim it was Convair Kingfish-derivative
No clue, I just remember that the first time I saw that image was a few years ago and the details I shared. Dig around in the archive for black project threads.
>>64078105
>bait to evaluate the capabilities of foreign sigint
Could be but that runs counter to the Cpt. Fravor and other's description of the Nimitz Incident. Those and other Tic Tac encounters (Zamora, many other examples) always describe a physical egg shaped vehicle. These are different from ball of plasma UFOs and different from the proposed use of femtosecond laser collisions to generate atmospheric pixies. I have my doubts on being able to generate pixies at significant distances but welcome being proven wrong because if it works there are tons of industrial and commercial applications.

>>64078197
Nah. Different commands, different operations. Terrorists aren't ayys, so there was no more call to scramble in 2001 than there was in 1993.

>>64078247
And what did you mean by saying you have it 50/50 chances on whether aby tail numbers were built - what did you mean my here?

>>64077942
EUV lithography was developed by the Department of Energy at Sandia and Lawrence Livermore. Intel, Phillips, and a few others were part of the original consortium to develop the actual machines and commercialize the technology under a Comprehensive Research and Development Agreement with the US Government under EUV LLC. The patent assignee for all EUV LLC is Sandia National Laboratories, which is odd because Sandia exclusively does weapons development research. Although the patent is expired, there is still a licensing agreement between the US government and Phillips now ASML. It's why there are export controls that the US enforces. All of this originally started as SDI research into excimer lasers. Really SDI never stopped, they just moved projects to other agencies or created new ones and continued on from there

>>64076542
Say what you will, but that Bedlam guy knows his stuff, the right terminology and adjacent concepts to what he's talking about; which means he's either telling the truth (or thinks he is) or spinning a highly sophisticated lie, and if it's all misinformation then surely there's more believable subjects to lie about than FTL?

>>64078247
https://www.doncio.navy.mil/Chips/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=8562
The Navy seemed pretty positive about it.

I think the “tic tac” and other related UAP are probably some sort of spoofing technology, being demonstrated/tested on our own sailors/airmen for easy access to the data and reactions. I think it’s some sort of plasma that’s projected and is visible on radar and to the naked eye (or the infrared cam in jets). I also think it probably isn’t very feasible for combat, not not perfected yet and that’s why we haven’t seen much done with it.
If it was some sort of advanced propulsion/gravity distortion, there’s no way that they would’ve figured it out decades ago and Lockheed Martin or whoever would just sit on it for decades without it becoming more commercialized or some other country/company coming up with some parallel technology.
I suppose it could be nonhuman intelligence, but basically every other UFO/UAP sighting ends up being attributed to relatively mundane military technology (Project Mogul, A-12/SR71, stealth aircraft, A-10 training flights, etc..)

>>64078413
None of this was widely known in 2004. Some of it made the news, that's how I recognized some of the names because I followed it in the news at the time. One particular thread mentions a trip to Princeton. Almost 100% this was the guy they went to see.
https://dof.princeton.edu/people/kirk-t-mcdonald
http://kirkmcd.princeton.edu/#qed
You can start putting a lot of names to places that are mentioned in his discussions. Granted, none of these people are specifically mentioned, but you can guess who it might be based upon the institution and context in which it was mentioned.

>>64078340
Not that anon but a tail number is a number that's traditionally printed on an aircraft's tail to identify that specific airframe. He's saying he's unsure if any full size, actual flying planes were made.

>>64077889
>It's satellites, speaking of boring, predictable solutions.
I'm more than willing to accept a boring answer. But I thought that the unique capability of the SR-71 was on-demand, on-location surveillance not tied to a specific and predictable orbit of a satellite. So either the US gave up that capability with the fall of the USSR(understandable), or they still have it somehow. Are you saying there's satellites that can do what the SR did?

>>64078510
My personal assumption is that it started out as a parallel project to the Manhattan Project, or shortly after. All of it was done under the umbrella of the AEC and the US Navy. If anything, they pick a contractor or basket of contractors and license it to them. The Navy is well known for having the most rigorous and retarded classification system of all the branches of the military.

>>64078550
Officially, the need for those kinds of overflights aren't necessary now with various satellites, drones, modern fighters and the good old U-2 Dragonlady. Getting centimeter scale synthetic aperature radar (SAR) imagery daily of a hotspot then tasking F-35s or a stealth drone to it provides better data now.
>>64078463
Neat stuff, and I think it's being tested or deployed on some level but it's not what Fravor and the other pilots saw. They saw a physical, metallic object with skids or antennae on the bottom. This object matched and greatly outmatched their F-18s. There was another object in the ocean below the Tic Tac, too.

>>64075410
>>64075533
this thing was spotted in broad daylight flying over Tennessee or some shit in 2014. Zero further sightings or images of this airframe

>>64075272
>It's not a question of discovering new physics,
>it's about [discovering new physics]

>>64072497 (OP)
Looks like NG's Low Altitude Penetrator (LAP) concept for the ATB program that birthed the B-2.

>>64072497 (OP)
planes are ok, but all the super silent, spooky stuff is surely underwater where conditions are way more difficult and dangerous.

A family friend worked on a bunch of black projects back in the day.
He said it's almost all proof of concept shit that didn't work 90% of the time.
& The other 9% was impractical or technology limited for the time.
The cool shit is that 1% that works.
He designed the tail on the original predator drones.
Smart guy.
Wouldn't go into details on anything though.
Guess that's good either way

>>64072497 (OP)
redpill me on this project

>Lockheed Pulsar
>Scramjet, hypersonic
>Holds 121 nuclear warheads

>>64078875
Looks like an A-12.
>>64079174
Same idea, maybe same program? Stealth on top, performance underneath.
Pic is the kind of stuff that's even more fascinating to me than unknown airframes.
>crank it up the death ray level

>>64080777
This thing? People have been talking about it for decades.
It could exist. It's in the same mental space as the stealth blimp that can silently deliver an entire battalion in one landing.

>>64080781
Too "long" to be the McDonnell Douglas A-12 in my opinion
>>64080786
Supposedly it was also at the same "private airshow" that Mark McCandlish talked about with the three ARVs, if that story is to be believed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bH58vjAGI4
Also in this clip the guy mentions the "losing prototype to the B2 stealth bomber" but I am having trouble figuring out which other companies worked seriously on the ATB program to the point of producing a prototype, either secretly or publicly

>>64077089
Most of that shit in particular is just people playing telephone off of those fark posts. There's a notion that "he must have really known his stuff" that gets posted in these threads but there's no proof or evidence to actually support that, it could be all complete and utter brainless technobabble and none of us would be any wiser. But a couple anons said, with no supporting evidence, that it seems like it checks out so now you have a brain worm making you remember a twenty year old shitpost just like I do. It could be the guy himself who originally posted that still just linking back to himself after all these years desperate for his tryhard conspiracy fiction to gain some kind of traction.

>>64080850
Would Martin Marietta or the Grumman corporation have been involved? Grumman had the X-29 in the 80s, Martin the X-24.
General Dynamics might have done something

>>64080886
I don't really consider either of those two to be contenders for a true stealth bomber
My guess would be he's referring to something that Lockheed slapped together, or McDonnell Douglas. To my knowledge, Lockheed "dropped out" of ATB pretty early on.

>>64079174
>B-2 RAP

>>64072768
>Muh drones bro drones are the fyooture, this gay conflict between poor retarded Slavs proves it
Get a job.

>>64080850
>Too "long" to be the McDonnell Douglas A-12 in my opinion
Agreed but that's the closest aircraft to it. It has a straight tail span like the A-12
McCandlish is really interesting. He is perhaps the most clear-sighted, least-grifting of the public UFO types. This is because the only thing he is/was selling are his illustration skills.

>>64080781
The most well documented UAP sighting no one has ever heard of. It's not like Dave is the only one that saw it, either. Lots of reports of people seeing it in Wendover and off I-80. The local Fox affiliate even interviewed him and called UTTR to confirm a test. They did indeed confirm that there was a test, but they made up some bullshit about it being a live fire NG exercise. Shortly after, they greatly expanded the perimeter fence at UTTR.
>We can't confirm these were even taken at UTTR
>Please ignore the "WARNING - Utah Test and Training Range" sign on the fence
I even emailed him and his entire team about it. I haven't heard back from anyone

>>64081602
If you look close enough, the trailing edge isn't actually straight, but its slightly concave, at least that's how it appears to me.
And yes, McCandlish is very interesting. When I heard that he shot himself, I was immediately suspicious but after reading the description of the condition of his house (trash and animal shit everywhere) it became clear he had reached the common conclusion of a severely depressive state and just killed himself - plus he was pretty old by that point.

>>64080884
But it's not. There is a whole lot of verifiable research that you wouldn't have any clue existed if you weren't keeping up on it at the time. The only reason I knew where to start looking is I recognized LiJun Wang's name from his "Gain Assisted Superluminal Propagation" paper in 1999. If I weren't able to actually find evidence of his assertions, I wouldn't bother repeating it.
> It could be the guy himself who originally posted that still just linking back to himself after all these years desperate for his tryhard conspiracy fiction to gain some kind of traction
It's not.
It's me. I've literally been posting this here for years now. I started on /pol/ and migrated to /k/. A few of you homosexuals might even know my real name from when I posted the a link to the Drive folder where I keep related PDFs 6ish years ago while high on mushrooms.

>>64081663
>>We can't confirm these were even taken at UTTR
>>Please ignore the "WARNING - Utah Test and Training Range" sign on the fence
For real. The UTTR stuff seems directly related to X-ray laser propagation of antihydrogen and the death ray setting on that particle accelerator software.
>>64081690
It's definitely a weird plane, probably a unique prototype.

>>64081795
Maybe, but I don't get why they would fly a prototype over the American South in broad daylight instead of over Nellis Range/Area 51 or the middle of the Pacific

>>64073491
>>64073498
Behold the original YouTube comment that I turned into that greentext.
Finding it again, he has part of a tranny flag in his YT profile picture and tranny pronouns in the bio, which is unfortunate for the believability

>>64082014
well... uhm... a good percentage of govt geniuses are furries so some other % must be trans? right...?

>>64082076
Two entirely different levels of sexual deviancy, the latter probably blocking you from doing anything of real importance. As such the commenter appears to have nothing valuable going on in their lives other than some model rocket videos from 2010 and the 1 year old comment about a story from their professor

>>64082014
This is easily falsifiable and easily proven wrong by anyone with rudimentary knowledge of America's space program.

>Cameras cannot see through plasma sheath of a hypersonic aircraft
Pic very much related

>Hypersonic bombing too inaccurate
This only makes sense in a world without guided bombs and would also make MaRVs and Depressed Trajectory shots infeasible if it were true

>Dead nepobaby
This should be easy for someone more motivated than I to prove or disprove

>>64081972
It's pretty weird.

>>64080884
>There's a notion that "he must have really known his stuff" that gets posted in these threads but there's no proof or evidence to actually support that
If there were he'd be posting receipts, which no-one with a brain does unless they want to end up in prison. See: Thugshaker.

>>64081728
I still have that, lol.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me.

>>64077756
Can't speak to origins, just to say that the number of naval incidents involving tictacs and other unknowns is much, much higher than the public is led to believe. The word that I've heard is "daily."

It's a good idea to pivot from precision measurements of the weak mixing angle to an AMO group, right?

>>64072497 (OP)
The Aurora, regardless of whether they blew up or finished their mission. The program is from the 80's and manned spy aircraft have seen their day. Russians apparently knew about it from the get-go and were surprised when testing stopped in the 90's/early 2000's

>>64080781
Posting this, did some searching to find it. From the reading I did it is a piece of tech from the Strategic defense initiative days, perhaps its utility was seen as too great to cancel it with most of the other RND from that program. It is a nuclear powered 'particle beam'-esque weapon.
>source, https://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Particle_Beam_Weapon_Test_Utah.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC97wdQOmfI
another piece of the SDI program, a space based rocket interceptor, definitely not canceled as it has many potential uses for both development and utility purposes.

>>64078875
Couldn't that just be the B21?

>>64084331
According to your knowledge, the Aurora was simply a demonstrator or full scale plane?
Any idea of when it finished it's ops?

>>64084116
?

>>64075256
>people aren't ready to accept it yet.
We had congressional testimony where high-ranking people said that UAPs are not from this planet and most people just ignored it.

We could have a giant spaceship land on the white house lawn and I swear it would only result in about one week of news, before the cycle moved on to the latest trump tweet or sidney sweenie ad

>>64084604
I mean..... if we go by official sources Aurora is the name of the B-2 program, so any testing articles would probably fall under that.

>>64072522
For what it's worth, when I was working at Lockheed back in 2018-2019, there was a lot of discussion about Skunkwork's development of a Scramjet SR-71 sucessor. Engineers were pretty optimistic about the engine development, but they all spoke about the same issue of needing a sufficient autonomous piloting system to actually pilot the theoretical aircraft. The on paper performance was so insane that there was no way for a human to properly operate the thing. From what I was told, the project was dead in the womb because AI tech and computational power to mass was too out of reach to make it feasible.

One particular nerd I spoke to speculated that Koomey's Law would suggest operational feasibility by 2050, but didn't have a good answer to "Then what's the point?". The "SR-72" seems like a thought experiment and pseudo-muse for engineering innovation than anything else to me. I never saw any actual documentation, but what we have been publically informed about regarding scramjet development is interesting at least.

>>64072497 (OP)
A flying dorito?

>>64085333
Do you think there were other manned high speed, airbreathing platforms existing on the 90's and early 2000's?

>>64085052
Because they ask the same 4 faggots the same gay shit over and over again. Ask this guy and see what sort of answers you get.

>>64084446
You could have just googled what a B21 looks like. Not my fucking job

Am I allowed to post Chinese and Russian stuff here?

>>64085733
will you attempt to passive-aggressively slip in propaganda narratives and samefag while doing it?
if so, then no.

>>64085552
Probably not. If Lockheed was hesitant to operate manned craft at those speeds, I doubt others would. I doubt many other companies could develop something similar to begin with and they'd be exponentially less likely to risk prototypes due to cost. It's just easier to do scale unmanned craft.

I've never been convinced that drones are the future. There's still too much value in the human element. However, in testing, there's virtually no reason to risk human life. It just isn't worth it - especially now that we've gotten to a point where development is for future problems. The SR-72 doesn't have a purpose. The job suggested for it is better done with low cost disposable drones or satellites. Warfare's evolution has rendered spy planes largely irrelevent.

Something was flying in the 90s and producing sonic booms

>>64084446
The color is right but the angle of the wings looks a bit off doesn't it?
The rear you just can't see....
Definitely not an X-47 tho

>>64085403
Fact: Doritos are the most powerful shape in the world.

Look into Deep Underground Military Bases.

>>64084604
>full scale plane
it was apparently close to or actually full scale, I've heard rumors of it being used in the Gulf war, but I dont really buy it. The plane likely was never used for its intended purpose (surveillance), but it likely was extensively used for flight tests over both the pacific ocean and west coast of the US.

It could still be hanging around, languishing in some hangar, rotting from disuse. If it is really still around, it would likely see similar service to the SR-71.

>Senator Robert Byrd and other senators complained that the "better than" successor to the SR-71 had yet to be developed at the cost of the "good enough" serviceable aircraft. They maintained that, in a time of constrained military budgets, designing, building, and testing an aircraft with the same capabilities as the SR-71 would be impossible.

The program was probably shelved shortly after the end of the cold war, and on top of that the airframe has likely been completely superseded by UAV aircraft and surveillance satellites.

>>64086718
I did hear it was used in the Gulf War as well but If it saw service there then it must have been a total failure. Someone claimed the program got scrapped around the mid 90's. I also heard that infamous 'LA' skyquakes were caused by something else - what that would be?

>>64084331
Nice, been looking for that pic.
Regardless of weapons applications, that technology can probably take us to the stars.
>>64084446
No, that picture is at least ten years old, maybe fifteen.
>>64085052
This. Both civil servants and retired military have said They're Here.

>>64086806
>I also heard that infamous 'LA' skyquakes were caused by something else - what that would be?
The space plane and mothership.
>inb4 source - the nose knows

>>64087278
Exactly. What do you know about it?

>>64080781
Oh, it's the tard "deboonker" with his little ground based lasers again claiming that these are responsible for all UFOs...

Your axe wound will never be a biological vagina you Elgin trannie.

>>64087481
Back to /pol/ schizo shit colored troon.

>>64073576

>RQ-180
>Stealth Black Hawk.
>Probable Tacit Blue follow-on
>RQ-170 (started out black project)
>Mig-31 FME at area 51 after the Kazakh sale is almost certain.
>NGAD tech demonstrators
>Su-27 FME. I believe there were more than just the 2 ukrainian UB models at area 51. I believe there are some grainy photos of flankers flying in the NTTR before the pride aviation pair. Insert Kazakh Su-27's if some were included in the sale.

Mig-29 FME might still be ongoing, no idea about the Su-22.

>NRO and other space stuff. I'm pretty sure the reason NG won the JWST contract is because they had already made some sort of SIGINT satellite with a huge foldout array similar to what was required for JWST. This is just one example. There are many. STS-27 sub sat, KH-11 failed follow on, etc... There are so many black projects in the realm of US mil satellites.

I believe we are still missing a couple of classic black programs over at area 51

>>64072649
>cruising in some backwater arm of the milky way picking up cows
>get intercepted by a nasa f-15
what's your move

>>64088026
What's Tacit Blue follow-on?

>>64072497 (OP)
>not area-ruled
>angles are all wrong for stealth
why even bother making this shit up?

>>64076306
>https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Robert+W.+Hellwarth
WTF, this guy doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. Looking him up, he was a major player in the development of the laser, including being the inventor of Q-switching (pulsing the laser to generate intense but short pulses).

>>64076732
It's my favorite movie, but it's not about any sort of great technological leap.

>>64088026
>>RQ-180
>>Stealth Black Hawk.
>>Probable Tacit Blue follow-on
>>RQ-170 (started out black project)
>>Mig-31 FME at area 51 after the Kazakh sale is almost certain.
>>NGAD tech demonstrators
>>Su-27 FME. I believe there were more than just the 2 ukrainian UB models at area 51. I believe there are some grainy photos of flankers flying in the NTTR before the pride aviation pair. Insert Kazakh Su-27's if some were included in the sale.
aren't most of these over a decade old

>>64088576
But let's not forget anon, it's all made up.

I fully believe that the US has concluded development of the MARAUDER Plasma Rail Gun and the only reason that those aren't mounted on ships is because the US doesn't wanna risk starting a new arms race into what is and absurdly disruptive technology that could pose a threat even to the constant extraterrestrial incursions that are happening daily all over the world.

>>64089012
>spend ungodly amounts of money building state-of-the-art weapons
>never put any of it into production and forget about it
a winning strategy

>>64089209
It needed the entire Shiva Star capacitor bank to fire it, so that's an obvious limitation.

>>64072497 (OP)
Does anyone have the USA is hundreds of years ahead black project fighting molemen copy pasta

>>64088338
position 5 and unload

>>64087313
>mach-something objects regularly moving from western testing range out to the Pacific
>eyewitnesses claim something like the XB-70 Valkyrie
>and a black wedge aircraft or spaceplane
>probably also used isoborane, the lawsuits coming from two or more programs but same location
>program shut down late '90s
The irony being that this may yet be another time that America had manned potential combat spacecraft (X-15, Gemini/Big Gemini, several modern examples) and we've apparently mothballed the capability.
Any Feds seething over this graphic, eat a dick. You guys need to get better at infosec and that starts at your desk and your incompetent coworkers, not policing the intertubes.
>>64087481
Demoralisation ops follow any discussion of UTTR. Commercialize it.
>>64088026
>>Probable Tacit Blue follow-on
Spicy.

>>64090250
>x30 my beloved
:,(

>>64088026
>>64088355
A few years ago, one of the chief engineers of the tacit blue program did an interview and at the end he appeared to insinuate there was a follow on to tacit blue. And complained that some of the stuff that was done in the 90's would "never be made public". This would make sense as tacit blue is in a sense a follow on of have blue which is also built upon previous work in stealth design by Lockheed. Furthermore as far as I understand from extracts from the Peter Merlin book there were two cover names in the 90's for aircraft that have yet to be revealed. One is almost certainly the stealth black hawk. The other is probably this IMO, but just a hunch.

>>64088683
And? Despite the rather ubnsubtle way America deals with secrecy there's more that we don't know in relation to what is known.

Oh and the kazakh sale of surplus jets to the US was in 2024. The Kazakhs deny this sale and the US is fairly tight lipped but it is perfectly in line with previous acquisitions of soviet bloc aircraft.

Oh and Aurora is an unsubstantiated myth and the SR-72 doesn't make sense in the face of the RQ-180. Maybe they are working on it, but I seriously doubt it. I believe Lockheed first started publicly talking about it in 2018, which we now believe to line up with the end of flight testing and maybe production for the RQ-180. And thus appears to have been a marketing attempt to get the DOD to give lockmart a piece of the pie.
Also the A12 was canned in the face of the SR-71 because of its sight sensitive nature and operational inflexibility. Cost as well.
NGAD demonstrators first flew in 2020 apparently.
As a final point. R&D budgets fot these kinds of programs skyrocketed in the 90's, the more banal reasons is costa dn budgets ballooning. The other is that activity in this realm has skyrocketed. I think it's a mix of both.

Oh and the mystery 900M loss on a single Lockmart classified aeronautics program. It might be some sort of CCA drone demonstrator,

>>64090266
bad grammar sorry. I have butterfingers.

>>64088531
My understanding is the stealth is just on top and the geometry is for speed because it was intended as a very low altitude penetrator, like the B-1.
>>64089012
>>64089209
>>64089905
These are not mutually exclusive. There have always been rumors of extremely advanced weapons kept black for just-in-case events.
MARAUDER made functional could be such a weapon. We've come very far in capacitor capability in 30 years and ships are being equipped with power generation and cap banks specifically for energy weapons. Officially, that's laser CIWS for drones and missiles. Unofficially maybe you just drop a MARAUDER in place of the 5" gun turret on an Arleigh Burke or as a mast in the VLS on a Burke or Virginia. Delete anything within line of sight at .2c. That would be a game-changing weapon and there would be no compelling reason to share it with the world.
I think the MARAUDER tech would also make for a hell of a space drive if you had a compact fusion reactor.

>>64090261
I feel you, bro. Real answer is that if HW Bush had just kept Reagan's space policy we would have had NASP and NLS instead of decades of thrashing around in Von Braun's plans without really going anywhere. Not discounting the ISS but Bush Sr's kitchen sink plan really screwed us for both space development and national security advances. SpaceX, finally, takes up that slack.
>>64090266
>some of the stuff that was done in the 90's would "never be made public"
I get it for stealth and other airframe related work but there is a ton of fundamental and applied research in other fields that should be declassified and commercialized.
>SR-72
It seems like work has continued on this. I think it's related to trying to really revolutionize combat aircraft with something space capable. Lockmart is/was working on compact linear fusion reactors based off a PhD's fusion drive research.
So, build out a plane capable of truly going fast using an advanced scramjet -- then when you've ironed out the kinks you slap a fusion drive in it and have a Battletech-style aerospace fighter capable of making orbit, reentry and having a mix of beam and missile weapons, drones and satellite inspection units.

>>64090266
Don't forget the Stealth Chinook that was also involved in the Bin Laden raid

>But they were staged miles away in the middle of nowhere
Yes, and when ASSHOLE29 managed to crash into a wall like a retard one of the Chinooks was called in to carry bin laden's corpse and the rest of the team out, all without alerting the Paki air force which was already on its way by then. You would think a Chinook has the radar signature of the moon, even the Pakis could pick it up at distance.

>>64090438
There is no evidence even, circumstantial or informed opinion about the existence of a stealth chinook. I believe it has since been documented that they were normal SF chinooks.

Looking with the benefit of hindsight, the same sort of clue that led to the discovery of the U-2, A-12, RQ-180 and F-117 were there for the stealth black hawk, they just didn't come from the same channels because they were used by a different group of people than what is traditionally the case for Area 51.

I believe the 'stealth chinook' comes from wild speculation from one (1) journalist shortly after the raid in may 2011.

>>64090297
MARAUDER seems legit and cool, either shelved for impracticality or just went completely black produced something in limited numbers

>>64084331
this one has popped up on /k/ over the years. some anons say that dugway is where some of the REAL spooky shit happens. could this have been a ground based laser (SDI) a la Cardinal of the Kremlin?

pic related, not so much a black program but possibly an intelligence coup. the uss jimmy carter flying the jolly roger after a successful mission. it was after some best korea ICBM tests, i thought maybe they recovered an RV or missile components.

>>64090456
>There is no evidence even, circumstantial or informed opinion about the existence of a stealth chinook
Neither was there about the Stealth Hawk until it crashed and three pictures of the wreckage spread on the internet.
Also I have some doubt the stealth helicopter programs were based at Area 51, that place is hilariously visually unsecure, you can see almost the entire base from a nearby mountain top, there are a few good videos where someone used a good zoom lens to watch jets take off and land, and had a decent view of every major hangar. More likely it was developed and tested at TTR, Dugway, or some other mundane air base in the Northwest

>>64090266
Following these subjects for a quite sometime already and never ever Heard about that statement. Are you referring to this interview when speaking about the Tacit Blue follow-on? - https://youtu.be/Fw2YzngO6eM?si=MQHjn49BudZjv7pF

That basically the one and only interview I could think of, mentioning about something akin to this

>>64090528
That's the implication. It the effects and method of propagation (((allegedly))) look a lot like terrestrial gamma ray burst from intense lightning strikes.

>>64090528
UTTR is basically an extension of the the Nevada Test Site and NTTR. Originally, that entire region from NTS all the way to Dugway was supposed to the one gigantic test range called something like the Continental Divide Test Range (or some shit like that). Really, we only know about glownigger things at a few spots like Area 51 and Jackass Flats, but it sure seems like every dry lake bed and accessible mountain valley from Nevada to Utah probably had some sort of glownigger AEC or DoD project going on. Also, coincidentally there is a gamma ray detector at UTTR.

>>64091027
>Originally, that entire region from NTS all the way to Dugway was supposed to the one gigantic test range called something like the Continental Divide Test Range
there is NO way they could have gotten away with a landgrab of that magnitude

>>64090438
>Don't forget the Stealth Chinook that was also involved in the Bin Laden raid
don't make shit up

>>64091142
reading is hard

>>64090438
>Stealth Chinook
this is fucking retarded

>>64091597
May 1, 2011:
>>stealth black hawk
>this is fucking retarded

>>64091622
>stealth blackhawk is fucking retarded
Correct, which is why one of them crashed. But a stealth Chinook is actually more retarded and that picture is pissing me off with how dogshit it is.
>Rotors spin the wrong way
>cabin windows are still present on a stealth aircraft
>cabin door no longer exists
>gear retract into cavities that can't physically exist
>pilot door panels have serrated edges as if they regularly fucking open
>"yeah bro add some chines on the fuel tank and it's basically stealth"
>engines look fuckbutt retarded and are completely illogical
This shit was drawn by a 14 year old and based off the unsubstantiated hunch of a retard. If your argument for it existing, despite having no evidence, is:
>we didn't have evidence for the Stealth UH-60, either
you need to neck yourself

>>64091652
>this concept art is exactly what it looks like IRL
Go get your shinebox

I seen things most ppl don't wanna know about, heh, they probably wouldn't believe their eyes anyway. Keep thinkin jets and rockets are advanced kid

>>64090528
>some anons say that dugway is where some of the REAL spooky shit happens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle

>>64092035
>DARPA's building a fucking Death Star

>>64091658
The concept art is retarded and the concept is retarded too.Give me a single piece of evidence that it exists, give me literally anything,

>I hypothesize that a stealth AH-64 is in service because, uh, it just is!

>>64092238
Give me a single piece of evidence dated May 1st 2011 or sooner that suggests a stealth black hawk exists

>>64092242
You sure are one dumb gorilla nigger.

>>64092396
surrender accepted

>>64091652
>>stealth blackhawk is fucking retarded
>Correct, which is why one of them crashed.
what does this even mean?
the stealth hawk during the bin laden raid crashed because they were known to be pretty difficult to fly as they weren't designed to be stealthy to begin with
in order to add the stealthy parts to the heli, some of the flight characteristics had to be compromised, that's just the nature of engineering and design
also it's worth mentioning that apparently there's a newer generation of stealth hawks now but we can't know that for sure

>>64090438
>>64090456
"Stealth" in this case was provided for the Chinook not by it's design, but by the fact that Pakistan would have absolutely fucked themselves if they chose to shoot it down. After all, what happened to the last country that was supposedly hiding Bin Laden? Everybody fucking knew he was hiding out there but I don't think ISI's obstruction would go as far as to put themselves directly next on Uncle Sam's shitlist.

>>64092609
>what does this even mean?
It means that the helicopter was power limited due to all of the extra shit they put on it, hence why it had never been used up until that point. It contributed to them getting into settling with power, in addition to the recirculation caused by the compound walls.
>>64093814
Pakistan was well aware that unidentified aircraft were flying within their borders. The MH-47 that entered the country was spotted by PAF F-16's which attempted to engage them.

That couple is fast too... Rumblings rumblings everywhere..

>>64095629
Stop speaking in riddles, schizo.

>>64078365
DoEanon here, I worked at Sandia for 7 years until moving to Idaho because New Mexico needs to be fucking culled. Sandia does tons of semidconductor research, some weapons-focused, some not. Lots of tech is dual use and the EUV stuff branched out into other tech that is not in the public sphere. Besides, they'll do most whatever kind of research people want to pay them to do.

>>64096911
What's wrong with New Mexico

>>64096917
The people.

>>64082076
trannies tend to hobbymax. when you enter the real world people dont really like trannies so they stagnate. thats why they have a better time on the software side, they are able to WFH and isolate themselves from embarrassment

>>64076145
you do realize every country on earth does this? you can look at paper trails from russia and china on certain technologies, they all of a sudden stop. The research on our side is then obscured behind labs and directly funded by DoD programs.
all "new physics" has decades of research behind it, just the bleeding edge of that technology is hidden for security interests. None of this is shocking or groundbreaking its quite normal

>>64096917
weather

>>64079320
>Boeing YF-118G Bird of Prey
>Boeing builds it to research if it's possible to make a plane that doesn't leave a shadow on the ground
>it's built with no fly by wire and an extremely underpowered engine
>it actually does not produce any shadow and as far as I know it's also stealth

>>64091652
this is a butthurt engineer that got butthurt because the design for the stealth Chinook leaked
do exactly what he criticez and you can build yourself a stealth Chinook
protip: the secret sauce to stealth is not secret at all, just read the right books and you'll get it
protip: a lot of 6th gen planes look like the shit you would see on books from the 80s
t. read one of those books by mistake, it had loads of pictures

>>64097472
*criticizes
also, the secret sauce to stealth is to basically minimize the amount of angles your design has, and reuse that angle as many times as you can, while also avoid as many rounded surfaces as you can. that "secret sauce" is basically a little more than an open secret.

>>64097483
It'll never stop being funny to me that the commies figured this out, published it, and never realized what they could do with it.

>>64072497 (OP)

>>64088026
I'm gonna piggy back off you anon and vote satellites, specifically any spy satellite being launched under Starshield. We know almost fucking nothing about it, and the existing GEOSAT and MEOSAT spy satellites from the Cold War that NRO, NGA and Space Force currently man are already enough to make China and Russia shit their pants and (most likely) deploy nukes, EW or other ASAT capabilities in space.

Starshield must be terrifying for them. A potential LEOSAT constellation of spy satellites that has 24 fucking hour persistence (no more waiting for passovers anymore) that hey have no hope of countering except for blowing up every fucking downlink station the US has on earth.

Could theoretically chuck whatever the fuck you want on it too. Fucking synthetic aperture radar, some kind of ridiculous camera for GEOINT, MASINT sensors for ballistic missiles and other sensing, Infrared. Hell, even throw a couple fucking interceptors on those bad boys and plug it straight into fucking Golden Dome.

I am fairly certain that Starshield is the only reason (that I can think of anyway) that Musk got US TS clearance in 2022.

>>64097464
>it actually does not produce any shadow
how. just how.

>>64081795
>the death ray setting on that particle accelerator software
anon, you can't just leave us hanging