The government has made a good procurement decision. What shocking thing will they do next, more F-35s?

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/media-releases/2025-08-05/mogami-class-frigate-selected-navys-new-general-purpose-frigates

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-05/australia-japan-navy-frigates/105613688

it's still 4chan

>>64079562 (OP)
>What shocking thing will they do next, more F-35s?
Joining hands with South Korea to build submarines and stealth fighters.

an actual good choice. i'm surprised. it's what you want of a frigate, and 32 strike-length vls is more than enough.

>>64079562 (OP)
Cancel the deal, pay japan 1 billion $ and buy Arleigh Burkes

>>64079562 (OP)

>>64079562 (OP)
Should've bought Indian. India has literally decades of shipbuilding experience (especially destroyers).

Mogami!

>>64079562 (OP)
>What shocking thing will they do next?
Unironically? Decide to not modify the radar, SeaRAM, Type 12 torpedoes and other things, things that Australia does not operate.
Upgraded Mogami was the best choice.

Personally, the next best shocking thing they could do is double the SPG+reload vehicle numbers.

Australia and Japan should be best friends and there is literally no reason why not

>>64079727
they're gonna modify the radar. you don't have your own surface radar industry and not use it.

>>64079562 (OP)
>What shocking thing will they do next?
oz should unironically look into buying and building the newest nippon diesel-electric sub. collins boats served fine, they just need a modern replacement.

>>64079732
>Australia and Japan should be best friends and there is literally no reason why not
The Japanese eat dolphins, but the Australians want to fuck them

>>64079562 (OP)
Unforgiveable! This is slap to the face of ANZAC POWs killed by the Japs.

>>64079733
Well, they might, when they do a mid-life upgrade.
The first 3 ships maybe, but I agree that the 8 built here MIGHT get CEA Radars.

>>64079736
>nippon diesel-electric sub
range, payload and endurance too small

>>64079736
Japanese subs can't into long range endurance which is why they've withdrawn from Canada's Victory-class replacement program.
https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/11/21/japan-not-taking-part-in-procurement-bid-for-canadian-navys-new-subs/442454/

>>64079758
that's fine. diesel-electrics are defensive boats after all, and there's a lot of areas north of australia where they could do that well; they'd be for interdiction of things coming to their patrol areas.

~10,000 km works.

>>64079736
Japanese subs can't into long range endurance which is why they've withdrawn from Canada's Victoria-class replacement program.
https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/11/21/japan-not-taking-part-in-procurement-bid-for-canadian-navys-new-subs/442454/

>>64079589
Joining GCAP makes more sense as it's designed to work side by side with Mogami, brings better interoperability with Japan and the UK, and simply superior

>>64079562 (OP)
Would have made more sense to buy American since they're already buying US subs.

>>64079649
>buy Indian
Do their export frigates come with toilets or just keep the DESIGNATED deck?

>>64079806
us-aus-jap combat systems are fully integrated and basically interchangeable, as far as i know

it's not like us shipyards have a ton of slack these days

>>64079810
Saar the ship comes with poop deck standaart.

>>64079571
you disappointed me i thought this was a boy

>>64079562 (OP)
>Australia is getting dildoboats

>>64079792
So now you want two classes of subs? One for overseas attack and defence of fleets/forces, and also one for coastal defence?
Better off with one that can do both.

>>64079806
AUKUS is British design. A few Virginia class are just stop-gaps + for training.

>>64079797
then aussie can order some of those new 3000t 212cd along with norway as a stopgap
reminder that the much smaller 212A class, currently in service with the German Navy, is verified to have managed about 20 days at 6 knots fully submerged back in 2013 exercise.

> http://web.archive.org/web/20170315012510/http://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_51/WESTLANT.html

And germs also offered a blue water AIP sub design to aussie

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_216_submarine

Would be a surprise if this one cannot last at least 30 days underwater

>>64079850
Cancel US stop-gap for German stop-gap? Doesn't make sense.

>>64079850
<7 knots is barely an idle speed for a submarine to keep you from getting drifted by the current if you know how submarine operations work. Also, 212CD hasn't even launched the first boat yet thus it's not proven.

>>64079863
how so ?
operating nuclear subs (in a relative distance future) doesn't exclude the use of conventional AIP subs.
Pic related, even with the tiny 212a, you can make a one way trip from Perth all the ways to Philippines without even have to snorkel
And 212a is mostly on older fuel cell and lead acid battery techs
212cd/216 will be having li-ion and with a much larger displacement, so i dont see how it wouldn't at least be able to do at least one and a half better in endurance compare to 212a

>>64079868
where did i say they should cancel aukus ssns for conventional boats ?

>>64079871
>where did i say they should cancel aukus ssns for conventional boats ?
?

>>64079571
cute boy

>>64079869
So, Collins class, plus Virginia stop-gap, plus 212cd stop-gap, plus AUKUS class. Brilliant.

>operating nuclear subs (in a relative distance future) doesn't exclude the use of conventional AIP subs
Yeah, which is why will have that with Collins and AUKUS.

>>64079869
>212cd/216 will be having li-ion and with a much larger displacement
The effect of switching from lead acid battery to LiB is limited as shown in >>64079797, the real game changer here is the fuel cell.

>>64079649
Indian ships are under powered on the electrical side and badly fucked on the plumbing because they don't bother with doing anything about excess pressure, pipe-hammer, corrosion, and don't replace shit like gaskets on a schedule. It's not because India is a shitfest, they just don't account for it; it's a "secondary consequence" and thus unknowably far into speculation or the future. Also they train to counter-flood all the fucking time so they WILL sink themselves.

>>64079738
Why not both?

>>64079727
They should go French for shit like that and Rheinmetall for an NEW not donated or anything SPG... if that's a thing that shouldn't be replaced by rocket or missile solutions. MLRS just does more.

>>64079802
Would splitting our (US) inventory atlantic/pacific make sense? Partner with AUS and SK and Japan in the pacific on planes and ships, then on the other side do a Italy/Germany?(fuck)France project?

>>64079900
>They should go French
LOL
>Rheinmetall
LMAO

>>64079916
nice argument

>>64079802
Joining GCAP now would never guarantee any advantageous spot in the project as none of the stakeholders would their concede their seats. Investing in KF-21 block 2 as a first tier partner sounds more likely with options for a future stealth upgrade and 6th gen aircraft development later on.

>>64079738
Why not? Fucking dolphins is based

>>64079926
Lol

Lmao even

You just can't help yourself with the KF-21 shilling huh?

>>64079936
>You just can't help yourself with the KF-21 shilling huh?
I'm not even making shits up. The stealthfication of KF-21 is already in full swing as more clients are getting interested in its variation.
https://x.com/defensearabia/status/1951687759694802994
>The UAE tests the first unmanned fighter jet exceeding the speed of sound in collaboration with South Korea (exclusive)
>Leaks have revealed a secret project between the UAE and South Korea to develop an unmanned fighter jet that surpasses the speed of sound.
>The jet is characterized by autonomous combat capabilities powered by artificial intelligence and an advanced stealth design.
>The project aims to enhance the UAE's defense independence and solidify its position as a regional hub for advanced military technology.
>If successful, this weapon could alter the equations of air deterrence in the region and pose new technological and tactical challenges.

>>64079918
>nice argument
No shit. Both frogs and krauts are absolute laughing stocks when it comes to weapons procurement.

>>64079941
This fantasy cope is hilarious

Australia would be FAR more likely to want to purchase GCAP over KF-21EX

>>64079649
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Naval_accidents
like half of these are in shipyard lol

>>64079945
and yet their the second largest weapon exporter in the world, curios

>>64079936
He's such a fucking victim. He'll start shit in unrelated threads, and then cry foul.

Janny if you're reading this, please just delete off-topic KF-21 spam in a WARSHIP thread.

>>64079947
stop feeding him

>>64079947
>Australia would be FAR more likely to want to purchase GCAP over KF-21EX
Australia would acquire F-47 rather than joining GCAP which is inherently disadvantageous against Chinese J-36 or J-50 due to its tails.

>>64079900
>They should go French for shit like that and Rheinmetall for an NEW not donated or anything SPG...
Australia is part of the Hanwa K9 club now

>>64079957
The GCAP fighter is being designed specifically for maritime operations against China, you're delusional.

>>64079950
>and yet their the second largest weapon exporter in the world, curios
They've been overtaken by South Korea recently

>>64079964
best Koreans MOGGING germshits POLSKA GUROM

>>64079963
>The GCAP fighter is being designed specifically for maritime operations against China, you're delusional.
Not with the tails still attached which are not great against VHF spectrum radar. Both F-47 and J-36 are tailless designs.

>>64079884
> Virginia stop-gap
If they ever come, then
otherwise, i don't see any aukus coming soon, at least before 2035
and aip + li-ion boats is vastly superior to Collins lead acid
the first 212cds is projected to enter service around 2029-30
an aussie aip can be commissioned around 2025, hypothetically

>>64079971
Your speculation is so far outside your actual knowledge base im just laughing at your ego.

At this point you either have to be a Gook, or Chinese.

>>64079973
I think the question is will getting a 212cd in that time frame actually be realistic? I think not. Better stay the course and work on improving that.

>>64079979
>Your speculation is so far outside
>speculation
Nigga what are you even on about? It's a well known fact that a tailless design is more advanced, which is why the US has been testing tailless aircraft since the 90s.

>>64079562 (OP)
>What shocking thing will they do next
A list
>Actually get those joint Aus-American hypersonics before 2030 (although really they are probably going to get cancelled)
>The initial rumours of Australian’s getting B-21’s actually being real
>Get long range anti-aircraft missile systems like Patriot
>Surprise annexation of Lebanon (we must acquire more Wog women)
On a surprise note we actually got Prsm’s, which is pretty cool since now we can touch shit from 500 kilometres away with arty.

>>64079989
The idea that tailess will be peerless against a tailed fighter is laughable speculation, especially for planes that are both 10+ years from entering service.

Again, you're talking out of your ass while fellating China.

>>64079992
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2025-08-04/dark-eagle-hypersonic-talisman-sabre-18660379.html

>>64079964
>reverse image search leads to a kenyan twitter page
>https://x.com/TheStarKenya/status/1902293721070162306
>The Centre for Analysis of World Arms Trade (CAWAT) is a non-governmental, independent research, information and publishing enterprise established in Moscow, Russia, in February 2010.
yeah, I think I'm going to believe the SIPRI report instead
https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2025-03/fs_2503_at_2024_0.pdf

>>64079941
>>64079950
>>64079964
Are you this very same seething gook who can’t stop bragging about the quality of gookium sub ?
Friendly reminder that without Siemens metal hydride tech, your gookium subs wouldnt have any aip to begin with

>>64080055
>Siemens metal hydride tech
Posco developed world's first high manganese steel which even the Japanese and European companies failed at, and it's currently being used to build commercial LNG tankers.
https://www.posco.co.kr/homepage/product/eng/jsp/news/s91w4000120v.jsp?SEQ=628

>>64080055
>metal hydride
Dead tech. Everyone simply moved on to liquid hydrogen with carbon fibre tanks because it's more safe and energy efficient. And guess who's leading the fuel cell technology.

>>64079850
>the 221A has been proven to make it a quarter of the distance from the adelaide to china in 20 days before needing to surface
I'm not sure constant surfacing, 160-days-plus-station-time is going to cut the mustard

>>64080070
>https://www.posco.co.kr/homepage/product/eng/jsp/news/s91w4000120v.jsp?SEQ=628
>Because it does not generate magnetic signals, it can enhance stealth capabilities, making it highly suitable for defense applications such as submarines and naval vessels.

>2 posts into a thread about jap ships
>gook immediately starts shilling
Is it genetic?

>>64080089
>Is it genetic?
Japanese are literally Koreans, so I guess you're right.

>>64080070
>>64080088
> more gook promises, likely overpromises
And I’ll see them when it actually happens
And when will it start being applied on gook subs ? The last I’ve seen, they are resorting to a 4000 t hull to even hope to leverage the same achievements by the sub 2000t u212a hull.
And no, having a shitty conventional srbm bolted on doesn’t justify a 4000 t hull
>>64080084
Not the gook ?

>>64080103
oh it is the gookshill
guess you finally dropped the fake poor English

>>64079989
>You pre March 2025; It's a well known fact that Canards negatively impact stealth characteristics but Vertical Stabilisers, if designed right do not.

>You post March 2025; It's a well known fact that Canards do not impact stealth characteristics but Vertical Stabilisers do. That’s why the F-47 is a tailless aircraft.

Fuck off back to war thunder

AIP, Li-Ion etc. are fake and gay.

If you want a proper non-nuclear sub, you'll still have to make it a nuclear one. Whether by diamond betavoltaic battery, thermionic converter, or some other type of passive nuclear generator, it's the only way to ensure both endurance and decent performance.

>>64080110
>And when will it start being applied on gook subs ?
Like, right now...?
https://gasnam.es/english-posco-high-manganese-steel-debuts-in-lng-bunker-tank/
Basically no other nations are producing high manganese steel yet except SK.

it’s all so tiresome

>>64080118
You're mentally disabled

>>64080125
What made you so triggered, krautanon?

>>64079818
>>64079878
Mogami is Japanese, not Thai

>>64079827
i don't think we're (oz) are going to get a ssn in a reasonable time-frame. may as well go for a ss that's available now; better to have something to fight with than nothing at all.

>>64080123
Having a reading comprehension again, gook ?
I said “gook subs”

>>64080138
> reading comprehension
reading comprehension problem

>>64079562 (OP)
Good choice

The MEKO series has had its day, and Japan is an obvious strategic partner. The surface navy has been the red headed stepchild of the German armed forces for a full century by now. You don't want the krauts suddenly cutting your programme because they need to divert funds into the more important land war, and Europe will always always always take priority over the Pacific, for very natural and rational reasons.

>>64080086
its just the official record of the 212a, a relatively small 1500t design
the one being suggested is 212cd class, which is closer to 3000t, so more hydrogen, and fuel cells with better efficiency
or even 212cde variant, better optimized for oceanic operations

>>64080111
Post your hand

>>64080138
>in production
>used to build tankers which are significantly larger than most of the submarines in size
When will other manufacturers even start producing similar products?

>>64080178
>fuel tankers can use the same steel as submarines no problem
Retard

>>64080178
Lol, and they said East Asian are supposed to be smart
Military grade exists for a reason, gooktard
The LIBs powering the next decade electric subs isn’t and won’t be the same ones driving your average hippie shit EV, gook.

>>64080151
japan seems to be on point with naval vessels, and they integrate american systems into them just fine. i think this is their first real big military export too, so both sides are coming out well.

The fuck lil’ Kimmy gonna do??

>>64080217
Yeah, japan has had a lot of restrictions on export due to the constitution, but it has been reinterpreted and some laws have been passed to make it allowable to export primarily defensive weapons, which a frigate fits.

>>64080188
>>fuel tankers can use the same steel as submarines no problem
>Retard
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347179732_A_Study_on_Fiber_Laser_Welding_of_High-Manganese_Steel_for_Cryogenic_Tanks#pf11
>The average yield strength of a high-manganese steel base material is about 509.33 MPa and itsaverage tensile strength is about 896.33 MPa
Average tensile strength of HY100 steel used in most of the submarines today ranges from 690 to 760 MPa. This is why high manganese steel is a dream material for sub manufacturers. The only downside is it's harder to weld but it seems that the Koreans have managed to overcome it.
>The LIBs powering the next decade electric subs isn’t and won’t be the same ones driving your average hippie shit EV, gook.
KSS-III Batch 2 is literally going to be powered by LiB+FC, and it's being launched this year.
https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/madex-2021/2021/06/south-koreas-kss-iii-batch-2-submarine-to-feature-both-aip-and-li-ion-batteries/

>>64080285
>>64080196

>>64080196
https://euro-sd.com/2023/07/articles/31823/the-republic-of-koreas-indigenous-submarine-programmes/
>The first Batch II unit, ROKS Lee Bong-chang (SS 087) is under construction at DSME, with likely commissioning in 2027, with the yard also awarded a contract to start work on an as yet unnamed second Batch II unit. Batch II submarines will have a larger displacement and length, with ten VLS cells for the Hyunmoo-4.4 SLBM. Local content in the Batch II boats has been increased to 80%, with the most significant local addition being the inclusion of lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries. Compared to conventional SSK batteries, Li-ion batteries offer greater endurance, a significant increase in battery life and an increase in recharging cycles prior to replacement. Current planning calls for three Batch II units to be built, followed by three Batch III units. At this point, there is no information available on possible configuration differences on the Batch III boats.

>>64080285
My guy, you're ignoring the difference between the yield strength and the tensile strength

> Yield strength
> This is the point at which a material begins to deform permanently. The hull of a submarine must operate in its elastic range, where it can deform under pressure but return to its original shape when the pressure is released. If the pressure exceeds the yield strength, the hull will start to buckle and collapse.

The tensile strength of Posco's high manganese steel is SIMILAR to HY100, but with drastically lower yield strength, it makes it completely unsuitable for a submarine.

HY100 has a yield strength of ~700-900MPa with a tensile strength of ~800-930MPa.

>>64080369
>>64080285
And i'll even use your own paper to prove it

Pic related, high manganese steel they tested was only reaching ~500MPa for yield strength.

For reference, HY80 steel is ~550MPa.

>>64079806
why put all your eggs in one basket, and america has no comparable ships, just 70 year old arleigh burkes and that new ship class that sucks

>>64080369
>>64080382
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0011227523000036
>So far, the mechanical properties of high manganese steels at cryogenic temperatures have been reported in several publications [3], [4]. For example, Wang et al. produced a high manganese austenitic steel (22.28 % Mn and 0.5 % C in wt.%), which has a yield strength of 665 MPa, a tensile strength of 1300 MPa and an impact absorbed energy of 170 J at −196 ℃ [5].
500 mpa is a minimum strength, it doesn't mean it's appliable across all of the structure. Also, technology has advanced in the last 5 years

>>64080285
Japan has been using NS110 for their subs for decades, which has a tensile strength of 1078MPa, that's also why Jap subs have the top maximum dive/operational depth.
https://youtu.be/MGNRDODiLTU

>>64079810
Special railing with grips so you can savely squat on it.

>>64079869
>Pic related, even with the tiny 212a, you can make a one way trip from Perth all the ways to Philippines without even have to snorkel
>And 212a is mostly on older fuel cell and lead acid battery techs

Uh, I am pretty sure snorkeling was involved in those 20 days underwater. A typical diesel sub has a max endurance of a week at 2-3 knots deep underwater before the battery is completely dry.

>>64080416
Anon, your own papers again prove you're wrong.

It's discussing the strength AT CRYOGENIC temperatures.

> At room temperature, high-manganese steels primarily deform through a process called mechanical twinning. This is when the crystal lattice of the steel forms mirror-image twins under stress.

> At cryogenic temperatures, a different mechanism comes into play. The very low temperatures make the austenitic phase of the steel unstable. When the steel is subjected to stress, the austenitic phase can transform into a stronger, harder phase called martensite. This martensitic transformation is what gives the steel its massive boost in yield strength and tensile strength at cryogenic temperatures. The steel is essentially becoming a different, stronger material under stress, but only in that specific temperature range.

> At room temperature, a typical high-manganese steel has a relatively low yield strength, often in the range of 300 to 500 MPa.

> For a submarine's pressure hull, which operates at various temperatures (from surface to deep sea), relying on a material that only achieves its full strength at cryogenic temperatures would be completely unsuitable. The hull needs a high yield strength at all operating temperatures, including room temperature, to ensure its structural integrity against crushing pressure

I don't know about you, but I doubt we're going to start operating our subs with a layer of LNG lining the hull.

>>64079562 (OP)
Work with Korea and establish a new order of military procurement and economic networking that can take up the slack by an erratic US. Yes, we should prosper together, across the Pacific, all around it, in fact...some kind of Asian co-prosperity sphere.

>>64080472
not really, the LAB batteries is mostly for high speed maneuvers, but the fuel cells using hydrogen and LOX would remains the main power source during transit.
in 212a case, they use 8 (+1 for back-up) BZM34
We are talking Fuel cells(AIP) + LAB hybrid system here, not the same as full LIB layout like what the japanese are doing.
The full battery japanese are doing would be better than battery + fuel cells AIP for very high speed transiting, but overall they are still worse, possibly even much worse than the hybrid layout for fully submerged endurance.
Anyway, the shorter endurance is not much of an issue for JMSDF, since their patrol area is rather small, most of the pacific still felt under USN duty
> pic related

>>64080545
>The full battery japanese are doing would be better than battery + fuel cells AIP for very high speed transiting, but overall they are still worse, possibly even much worse than the hybrid layout for fully submerged endurance.
Seems to work well for them considering they're going even further into the full LiB camp.

>>64080564
well, overall them ditching literally 19th cent tech like stirling engine and opting for full LIB layout is a solid choice on their part.
at creep speed, the full LIB taigei/soryu probably could probably get somewhere between 2-3 weeks.
> https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2022/11/finsail-command-room-propulsion-diesel.html

>>64079806
Yes, famous American frigates such as...
Constellation class.
Nice.

>>64080564
>>64080876
They're sneeding and coping due to putting all their eggs into the Spergling engine.
Fuel cell + Li-Ion is the top combo, but the JNSDF doesn't have the funding to both go for it, and have the hulls come out in the numbers they want, and the launch cadence they want.

>>64080405
>Arleigh Burke DDGs in 1955
Based if true

>>64079562 (OP)

Great, now we have to see more of these ugly pieces of shit floating around

>>64081101
The alternative would be MEKO A200, and those are even more of an eyesore
> inb4 muh pre dreadnought aesthetic

>>64081151
Pre dread aesthetic is chad and based, anybody saying otherwise is a plebcel.

>>64079806
>buy American frigate
>look inside
>European
the illusion of choice

>>64080055
Lol that really is gookshill. He literally appears under any western tweet about Japanese stuff and tries to shit on it while promoting gook shit. Last I remember he was saying any minute now Korea was gonna put out their cargo plane with like 10,000km range under a full load even though the last we heard of the MC-X was 2023 and Korea went and bought KC-390s instead.

>>64080070
>>64080088
>>64080123
Posco? You mean the Japanese pet project?

>>64079732
fucking seriously. imagine if we all hadn't fucked up on China. happy japs instead of seething chinks... fuck.

let's do this.

Why can't Australia build in their own shipyards?

Even Latin American shitholes can do it, Chile is building an LHD, Brasil and Colombia are building frigates.

>>64082173
>Why can't Australia build in their own shipyards?
Why can't you read almost ANYTHING about this project BEFORE posting about it?

> In order to bring the general purpose frigates into service as quickly as possible, the government intends for the first three ships in the class to be built overseas, with the remainder being constructed at the Australian Marine Complex in Western Australia

>>64080481
NTA, but thanks for putting him in his place. The retard doesn't know what the fuck he's actually talking about most of the time, he just has some autistic need to try and prop up south Korean technology at every opportunity

>>64080132
>he doesn't know

>>64079945
French stocks of weapons get delivered and on time, and work.
Krauts are pumping vehicle hulls like mad, Rheinmetall is in it's glory and there is no better time for an IFV/APC/Tank/SPG.

>>64080117
They aren't canards they are part of a flexskin, they can reunify with the lines of the wing and make a single wing. Sometimes they act as canards. India is doing this next generation.

>>64082173
you'll come to find that we are literally in a worse state than latin american shitholes

>>64082585
Mogami is also a boat, not a buoy

>>64082676

>>64082676
That only works with the British English pronunciation.

In American English, it's Boo-ey, not Boy.

>>64080026
That is pretty cool, I’ve been too focused on the HACM’s to pay attention to American ground based hypersonics. It would be cool if we could get a couple of those as well.

>>64080436
that chart isn't real btw, it graphs something else that's boring

>>64082638
Eh, not really. Our two shipyards have a lot of work lined up.
>landing craft medium
>landing craft heavy
>offshore patrol vessels
>evolved patrol boats
>riverine patrol boats
>submarines
>asw frigates
>gpf frigates
>aaw frigates
those are all new builds

>>64079733

This also fits with the typical ADF policy of 'take a good thing and fuck it to the ground by insisting on replacing half of the components with Australian systems'

>>64082843
RAN has done well from modernisation. Shame about the Arafura class. I don't get why you'd bin it.

>>64082902
Don't worry, it's a common problem. Us pomps have somehow fucked Wedgetail by adding a superdooper bit of kit that's fucked the entire integration.

>>64082843
>lined up
may i see them?

>>64079830
>AUKUS is British design

No it isn't.

>>64079850
>20 days at 6 knots fully submerged

A reminder that diesel subs are not a strategic asset.

>>64082953
https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/13/fact-sheet-trilateral-australia-uk-us-partnership-on-nuclear-powered-submarines/
>Australia’s future SSN – which we are calling “SSN-AUKUS” – will be a state-of-the-art platform designed to leverage the best of submarine technology from all three nations. SSN-AUKUS will be based upon the United Kingdom’s next-generation SSN design while incorporating cutting edge U.S. submarine technologies, and will be built and deployed by both Australia and the United Kingdom.

>>64080117
>posts image that is not an F-47

>>64082953
It is though. Designed by BAE with Rolls Royce.
It does incorporate some US systems though.

>>64082983
You just quoted that it will be a British hull with American equipment.

>>64082986
>with Rolls Royce.
As a fellow brit, RR is mostly just copying the American SG9 reactor, probably some layout changes and specific changes for the hull and how it's controlled/managed by sailors, but the actual reactor core design is basically just copying the American S9G.

> PWR3 was a new system "based on a US design but using UK reactor technology". The Royal Institution of Naval Architects reported that it was likely that the UK was given access to the US Navy S9G reactor design used in their Virginia-class submarines.

It's one of the ways RR was able to complete the design of PWR3 without a prototype, because the core of the reactor is a known design.

>>64082993
That isn't what that quote says, neither does it contradict what the other anon said.

>>64083007
Ok, so the reactor is a UK design based off an American design. Doesn't change the fact that the rest of the submarine is of UK BAE design.

>>64082952
Yes.

>>64082960
> not a strategic asset
wow no shit sherlock, cause no one has ever tried to build an ssbk, though TKMS is building such one for AIPAC long nose tribe.
Dakar class would be over 4000t and 90m long, possibly derived a lot from type 216 concept
A brazillian study on the 216 concept also stated the endurance of said system could be about 75 days on fuel cells alone
And with LIB, pushing for 80+ days fully submerged wouldn't be much of a problem.

> Nossa escolha pelo sistema AIP recai sobre o processo Siemens PEM-FC33
BZM120 (ver Fig. 1). No U-6800 preve mos a instalação com quatro células de
120 kW, total de 480 kW. Esta potência e os estoques de LOX e metanol calculados permitem um regime de patrulha por 75 dias de 4 a 5 nós ou 35 dias com veloci dade de 8 a 9 nós.
Os módulos PEM-FC mais dois re formadores de metanol de 240 kW cada
teriam o mesmo layout do U-216 propos to pela TKMS para a RAN (vide Fig. 2).
Para 2023, o grupo Siemens já anunciou o lançamento da quarta geração de PEM, as BZM-Evo, gerando mais energia com maior eficiência.

> https://www.portaldeperiodicos.marinha.mil.br/index.php/revistamaritima/article/download/6898/6534

>>64083072
here's the layout of said fuel cell + reformer system

>>64083072
>wow no shit sherlock, cause no one has ever tried to build an ssbk
Type 032
Zulu V
Golf I/II

>>64079589
>>64079926
>>64079941
>>64079964
Implessive, but how would this play a positive role in raising worst korea birth rate to above 1 ?

>>64083062
a govt department saying it's going to do something does not mean it will happen bro

>>64083858
of course, only a fool would think everything is iron-clad

The US will provide outdated Los Angeles-class subs to Australia instead of the Virginias.

>>64083889
Mr. Keating please go outside

>>64079562 (OP)
The surprising thing is that they said there will be 11. Which was the full request from Navy.

>>64083889
Given what happened with HMAS Melbourne, I don't blame Elbridge Colby for trying to get AUKUS canceled. Between his trip to China and his attitude towards the current US administration, Albo has shown himself to be the kind of Keating-level traitor who'd hand an entire Virginia over to the Chinks:

>The ship was not scrapped immediately; instead she was studied by Chinese naval architects and engineers as part of the nation's top-secret carrier development program.[3] It is unclear whether the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) orchestrated the acquisition of Melbourne or simply took advantage of the situation; Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong, a staff member at the National Defence College, has stated that the Navy was unaware of the purchase until Melbourne first arrived at Guangzhou.[168] Melbourne was the largest warship any of the Chinese experts had seen, and they were surprised by the amount of equipment which was still in place. The PLAN subsequently arranged for the ship's flight deck and all the equipment associated with flying operations to be removed so that they could be studied in depth.[164] Reports have circulated that either a replica of the flight deck, or the deck itself, was used for clandestine training of PLANAF pilots in carrier flight operations.[3] The carrier was not dismantled for many years; according to some rumours she was not completely broken up until 2002.[151] A 2012 article in Jane's Navy International stated that the large quantity of equipment recovered from Melbourne "undoubtedly helped" Admiral Liu Huaqing secure the Chinese government's support for his proposal to initiate an aircraft carrier development programme.[164]

>>64079562 (OP)
The F-35, has already been compromised:

>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.

I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already. Many seething Australians on /k/ have already been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.

Let me start by saying I'm actually fairly pissed about this. Singapore isn't a trusted ally that we know is going to defend F-35 design secrets and they're way too close to China's sphere of influence.

In all seriousness, perhaps we could protest our concerns to the American military. American Anons can protest in DC, or in the downtown of their city, or by their closest military base or recruiting station. At the same time, the rest of us can begin the social media campaign to prevent these sales. The PLA may already have stolen the F-35's secrets, but we won't just let the military hand them over 12 fucking planes. If enough of us protest and if we are loud enough, they will hear, and at the very least, other Americans will hear. More people must know of the Chinese menace.

What would probably work to stop delivery would be to tweet at Trump, Hegseth, Musk, MGT ect. that Singapore is taking delivery in 2026. The bad PR might make them cancel as it's only 12 planes and not a lot of money.

>>64084290
ESL indog ignored lmao

>>64084290
Singapore has no need for F-35 fighters. The value lies chiefly in being able to compromise the technology to the PLA. Singapore is a sanctuary for Chinese billionaires & PLA spies. Not to mention the entire country was built and financed with CCP resources. If a foreigner is born in Singapore the Singapore govt will immediately grant 3 citizenships to mainland Chinese to maintain the race balance. The big 4 families that built Singapore were all CCP members.

My experience with Singaporeans is that they are barely more trustworthy than Mainland Chinese. The 4 qty order is a giveaway:

1 for the PLAAF labs for study
1 for their own labs for study
1 for sending on exercises with international "allies".
1 for domestic use to "show" the taxpayers.

Nothing good will come of this.
>t. Shitposting Ausfag.

>>64084290
I agree and I'll never understand why Trump approved that sale in his first term.

>>64084336
Maybe but trying to end the Singapore deal is still a decent idea. I can't speak for all Aussies but for me it's just about not giving classified hardware to somewhere that allows the Chinese navy dock access. Singapore is practically in China's back yard and is a very small nation. Much of it's economy is based on trade with China as well. If the CCP makes threats then Singapore may fold.

It's like right before WW2 the Brits put a state-of-the-art radar station in Belgium. If they do get the jets what's stopping China rolling in and taking them?? I'd be thinking twice about it unless Singapore can guarantee China won't get their hands on them

>>64084349
>t. Wishes he really were Australian

>>64084360
>I can't speak for all Aussies
Yes, indogs don't speak for Aussies

>>64079562 (OP)
>What shocking thing will they do next, more F-35s?
stop fucking up helicopter procurement
end the AUKUS deal

>>64079649
India is also in talks with Japan on getting that dildo (UNICORN stealth antenna) on Mogami.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/08/japan-and-india-progress-towards-unicorn-stealth-antenna-deal/

>>64084285
But Albo has done more to expand and improve the ADF in the last 3 years than the Liberals did in 9 years.

In fact, people are so happy with Labor, the ADF now has the highest recruitment in 15 years.
>In 2024-25, the ADF enlisted 7,059 permanent full-time personnel – the highest annual intake since 2009-10 and 17% increase on the previous year.
>As at 1 July 2025, the permanent and full-time ADF workforce reached 61,189 people – higher than the targeted growth path for 2024-25.
>More than 75,000 applications to join the ADF were received in 2024-25 – the highest number in five years and 28% year-on-year increase, compared to the same time last year.
>Importantly, retention has also improved. The ADF-wide separation rate fell to 7.9% – well below the ten-year average and a dramatic turnaround from three-years ago.
>https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/media-releases/2025-08-04/adf-recruitment-surge-biggest-15-years
Cope and seethe. Labor values the defence of our country. The Liberal/National/Green/Teal Alliance does not.

>>64084290
>>64084349
every fucking thread with this ESL Indonesian faggot

>>64084403
Is he wrong? The vast majority of Americans and Australians on /k/, hate Singapore

>>64084290
>muh singapore
Israel sold F-35 technology to China long ago.

>>64084425
>>64084533
Why is the Indonesian military so utterly dogshit? You seem to be a regional expert, tell us

>>64079562 (OP)
Technically they're buying "New FFM", which is an upgraded mogami-class design, originally called "Upgraded Mogami".

>>64083754
Give it time. jap pussy is hard at work making it happen
https://asia.nikkei.com/spotlight/society/more-japanese-women-are-marrying-south-korean-men
Till then keep seething. Can't believe that a mere gen 4.5 breaks your mind this hard lmao.

>>64084285
In defence of Australia, the threat modeling around China wasn't really there in 1982, and "Nike democracy" was presenting a very positive future.

>>64084425
Nobody even thinks about Singapore or Indonesia. You're the same country to 98% of this board.

>>64080481
NTA but that paper describes the properties of Fe-30 %Mn-1 %C. We don't know the formulation of what ever high manganese steel POSCO uses or plans to use in submarine applications. That dude shouldn't have linked that paper since its like comparing RC Cola to determine the quality of Coke. Either way, pretty stupid.

>>64086244
Sure, but we do know all of Posco's current products contain ~25% Manganese. And you're still going to run into the same problems with the martensite only forming at cryogenic or near cryogenic temps.

They might be able to come up with a novel way to mitigate this, but they've yet to even write a paper on it, let alone develop the technology far enough to actually build something like a submarine from it.

For now they're 100% focused on LNG due to the cryogenic temps and how much cheaper their steel is compared to the high nickle content steels normally used for LNG storage/transport.

>>64086263
Yep, agreed. They are only using it in LNG applications which is pretty cool, not trying to diss anyone (I have no skin in this game). But if they are working on some submarine application, I doubt that they would tell the world the formulation anyway. So why that guy posted a paper to a lab grade HMS sample is still baffling.

>>64079945

>a dying out gook tranny pooplak coper appears

>>64086290
I just don't think any additive of another metal, or different ratios would drastically alter the properties at non-cryogenic temps.

Happy to be proven wrong, but this is basic research you'd be working on 5-10+ years before any practical application, even if it were for military tech.

HY80/HY100/HY130 are well known compositionally; that doesn't mean every steelworks in the world can suddenly manufacture a submarine hull from it.

>What shocking thing will they do next
Quickly cancel this contract in favour of a French design, which in turn will be dropped a few years down the line in favour of some initially vague UK/US affair?

>>64084896
> the threat modeling around China wasn't really there in 1982
That and the Melbourne was from 1945, and the chinks did not have access to anything else.

Australia will never get them, just like the American submarines.

Japan will simply take the payment as a loan, build themselves the ships, then refuse to hand them over.

>>64086358
Fair comment. Australian military procurement is so corrupt that billions in tenders went bad over the last five years alone. Our negotiating position should be very strong, but we can't actually leverage our defence ties with the US because they corrupt all our senior military leadership, and our mining operations are Jewish owned not Australian owned so we can't leverage steel and precious metals either

>>64089320
And then bomb Darwin again?

>>64089320
>Japan will simply take the payment as a loan, build themselves the ships, then refuse to hand them over.
Isn't this what America is doing with the Aussie's AUKUS money
>>64089359 #

>>64089576
Didn't mean to quote Darwin bomber anon

>>64089576
Aus is building them though

>>64089728
the first three will be constructed in japan, so a very big IF

>>64089576
>Isn't this what America is doing with the Aussie's AUKUS money
Based on what, retard? The prime contractor is BAE. It's a UK design with UK contractors. They're literally shipping aussies off to the UK for welding skills.

>>64090992
He meant the submarines AUKUS

>>64084290
Gotta love when turdies pretend they are American.

>>64084290
Gotta love when turdies pretend they are Westerners.

>>64084290
>>64084349
For fucks sake, Ausfags have actual Chinese compromised MPs in their government, Ausfag universities are overflowing with Chinese students, Ausfags sell their warships off to the Chinese for scrapping and end up doing tech transfer, and you want to sling shit at Singapore?

Also if Singapore is so unreliable, then why does the RAAF (and the USN) fly P-8s out of Singapore for maritime surveillance in the SCS? Why is the ADF allowed to maintain permanent military deployment in support of Commonwealth operations in Singapore? Why is there a permanent US military deployment in Singapore? Why does their naval base have berths sized for US supercarriers when their largest surface combatant is a la fayette?

the reason why Singapore isn't an """ally""" of the US isn't to do with China, it's because being an "ally" of the US is sometimes volatile when you're surrounded by Muslim countries outnumbering you 100:1

also
>4 qty order
it's currently at 20, and was spaced out because the RSAF is assessing whether the A or B variant is better suited to their needs. They are also building airbases and facilities in Arkansas and Guam for their training, which clearly indicates they're investing in the platform for the long haul.

>>64092316
Don't bother. It's literally SEA monkey shit flinging at other SEA monkeys. I don't even know the exact geopolitical climate in the region, but almost everyone in that region wants their hands on F-35s to start bombing each other and they get pissed when another one of them gets access to them while the US only offers them more F-16s. I don't think there is a single SEA nation that doesn't have some form of chink infiltration, but they all try to act like they aren't like other girls and can totally be trusted with F-35s. Little do they know kikes have long sold basically every US military secret and the only reason why they don't get F-35s is because they have almost no geopolitical importance that the US can exploit, hence why Singapore was the exception. The US can't be bothered to sell the F-35 to a nation that's sole use for them is to bomb some rice hat and sandal wearing rebel group that has 0 impact on US interests in the region.

>>64091988
Aukus ssn won’t be available before 2035, and even 2040 is doubtful from what I’ve seen

>>64084533
>Israel sold F-35 technology to China long ago.
why did they do that again

>>64079562 (OP)
$370m for the first Japanese unit, and started in 2017. The first Constellation frigate will take twice as long and cost two to three times as much. US ship building is utterly broken.

>>64095043
The first shit can't be compared to the upgraded Mogami (New FFM).

The original mogami's didn't have ANY VLS cells installed, they were built with the space to have them installed later, and only 16 cells.

New FFM has 32 cells, and they're getting them from day 1. The first New FFM ship is costing japan ~$800M.