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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:24:16 PM No.64080340
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I dont know how anyone who is sympathetic to Russia can say the invasion was a good idea. Results:
>NATO expansion more than ever
>embarassing retreats and defeats(Kherson for example)
>Putin seen as an incompetent leader
>More distrust with Russians in their own government
>Country made to seen as a paper tiger despite that being the exact opposite goal
I dont know what Russiaโ€™s ultimate goal is with this, but they fucked up. Bigly
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:28:38 PM No.64080356
the invasion would have worked but they botched the initial blitz by having their dudes sit in their BMPs for week before getting the green light. they blew through all their gas and food before the invasion even started.

the entire invasion was pretty much banking on capturing kyiv in the first week.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:29:01 PM No.64080360
>>64080340 (OP)
Russia the people yeah, Russia the state, Economy is fske and jewish, theirs just as high as ever due to military bussiness.
>Expansion
Results in putin holding power because of new threar
>Embarsament/Seen as/Distrusts/Made to be seen
Appearances only matter to Powerless plebs most of which are third worlders.
You making fun of putin does not affect him in any way, it is so irrelevant in fact it has if you didnt even do it.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:29:46 PM No.64080362
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>>64080340 (OP)
Easy to criticize. If you were in ger monke's place how would YOU unfuck this situation?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:32:12 PM No.64080370
>>64080362
Wait until trump is elected before invading so the US doesn't arm Ukraine, sure it'll still be a clusterfuck but chances are Europe won't be jumping in on arming Ukraine without the US like what happened right before the actual invasion.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:42:38 PM No.64080403
>>64080370
>wait until Trump so he doesn't Arm Ukraine
>the President that repealed Obama's ban on lethal aid for Ukraine
Wut?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:44:23 PM No.64080408
>>64080340 (OP)
I'll add these because I don't think enough people understand Putin's delulu pre-war head canon, and I think they should.

Russia's victory announcement 3 days into the war:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240
>Link to the text (google translate it):
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

Putin's essay 'On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians'. This is mandatory reading for officers.
>Context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians
>Text
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:45:06 PM No.64080411
>>64080340 (OP)
I think you have various people with different ideologies who started out thinking that Russia doing the SMO would help their own cause in some cynical and instrumental way, and they'd rise to power or something as Western governments fall into disrepute before the might of Russian power. They can be far left or far right. (It also didn't help that the Russian government has sought to co-opt these tendencies for its own purposes, so they do things thinking they're acting in accordance with their own ideological agenda rather than a different agenda that may even be contrary to their own objectives in some way.)

It's not that people on the fringe can't see something that others don't, or can't be right about some problem in their own societies, but they think they're so clever. They tend to underestimate how unpredictable these things actually are, especially wars. I mean Jesus, these things can really get carried away with themselves such that the actual resulting event turns out to be something very few predicted. The inner logic of the Russian war effort can also just screw it all up. For example, with this row with Azerbaijan recently, the nature of the war is that Russia has to encourage Russian chauvinism for the war so they glory in themselves and their own fabulousness. There's a lot of this going on:
https://youtu.be/RVrQUu7Vfuo

But the demographic problems combined with the human losses in the war means they're even MORE dependent on migrant labor (much more so than the U.S. is). That's a contradiction. You want to people to be more like "submit to Russia" and also import migrants. Putin has tried to put a lid on it, but it's like pressure building up due to increased temperature in closed system. Eventually some Azeri construction worker is going to get the shit kicked out of him by the cops for not being Russki, which causes latent tensions between these governments to explode. This kind of stuff happens a lot in wars.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:47:26 PM No.64080421
>>64080403
Trump was likely affected by institutional inertia from the Biden adminstration. Sure, he might eventually unfuck himself, but it would take way too long and Ukraine would lose too much by then.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:58:02 PM No.64080457
>>64080408
>Who is to blame for this? Is it the people of Ukraine's fault? Certainly not. It was the Ukrainian authorities who *waisted* and frittered away the achievements of many generations.

mfw chimps can't even proof read their own literal manifesto

grim
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:59:04 PM No.64080464
>>64080411
I'm samefagging but I'm just saying there are a lot of hazards with attaching your own agenda to some other government or militant group somewhere in the world, because you're at their mercy. You better hope they don't screw it up (and they probably will).

Another example is Hamas. Like, you can say the Israelis are cruel liars (and be correct) and also campaign to pressure your own government to put pressure on Israel to stop killing Palestinians. You can be right, but a big problem though is that Hamas is bound to eventually do something that will screw this up and cancel out what you're doing. They released a video the other day of an emaciated Israeli hostage digging his own grave. Hamas was (I think) trying to make a point that Israel is also starving him, and possibly this was some attempt to split Israelis and encourage Israelis to put pressure on Bibi to end the war. But in reality a lot of Israelis are just going to look at that and think: Hamas are monsters and they must be destroyed. I mean unless that the real goal by Hamas is to encourage Israel to bomb them even harder becaue they are crazy apocalypticists and think there's going to be some big awakening that really does Israel in the more it bombs them. Either way, it cancels out whatever the activists elsewhere were doing since the Israelis won't listen to international pressure.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:04:29 PM No.64080479
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>>64080421
Trump lifted the ban on his first term. His recent social media rants points to him rather fed up with Russian sabre rattling.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:11:47 PM No.64080506
>>64080403
Why hasn't Trump approved any new aid for Ukraine since he got in for his 2nd term?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:13:42 PM No.64080514
>>64080479
That's likely Melania's doing. Trump has sucked off second world autocrats far too long for this not to be a fluke.