>Immune to any form of weapon guidance thanks to its ECM
>Weapons up to an Abram tank’s 120 mm gun won’t even scratch it
>Infinite power and ammo thanks to energy weapons and a fusion reactor
>Can engage targets at land, air, and sea, and walk along the bottom of the ocean without harm
>Faster than any military land vehicle known to man
How do you take it out?

>>64080929 (OP)
By unplugging the game console.

>specs based on feefees
Mechas are the mahou shoujos of manchildren

>>64080929 (OP)
Call for orbital or surface based artillery to get rid of the lone rifleman so my platoon can advance.

>>64080953
By the time your artillery fires on them they’ll have already moved to a new location (assuming your artillery can even hurt it)

>>64080936
>he uses console

>>64080937
It's impossible to have any kind of rational discussion with them because they are completely convinced that their non-existent tech will function exactly like it does in their animu/vidya without any of that tech being applicable to less retarded platforms

>>64080929 (OP)
I shake my fairy and use the fairy dust to defeat it.

>>64080929 (OP)
Throwing furrys at it armed with sticks and stones.

>>64080929 (OP)
>mechs in lore routinely used as mega elite spear-head units by the houses most professional troops and mercs
>'defence' mechs for planets piloted by jubby mcgee is usually only for extremely wealthy planets or planets of extreme importance or those that are the garrison worlds for mech forces
>90% of defence is done by men with guns, tanks, hovercraft and air assets
>mechs die extremely commonly to conventional forces in lore
>99% of the games and lore just show mech to mech combat because it's cooler
>First succession war demolisher confirmed 10:1 mech kill count
Tank bros always win

>>64080929 (OP)
With tanks that use all the same future tech but are faster and cheaper

>>64081025
>mechs die extremely commonly to conventional forces in lore
A single lance of mechs is able to take out an entire modern tank company with infantry support and not suffer any damage on their own end

>>64081026
You can’t, if you give a tank legs and arms, it stops being a tank.

>>64080929 (OP)
LRASM spam.

>>64081032
I never said 'conventional forces mog mechs', I just said they still die to them extremely commonly. If an AC/20 on an urbanmech can core an atlas, an AC/20 on a tank can too. Most content about battletech revolves arounds mechs fighting enemy forces at their weakest point or against other mechs because it makes for better content.

>>64081046
They die to them occasionally because they’re mostly fighting them, but most battles between mechs and tanks look like this
https://youtu.be/m4b-haPATmI?si=yZQQzaH_zSPmcOTq

>>64081041
>if you give a tank legs and arms,
We don't give it arms and legs because that's stupid. We use the fusion engine, and the super armor tech though. The muscle technology could be very useful too--not for meme crap like arms, but for actuating flight control surfaces on everything from missiles to aircraft.

>>64081014
>any of that tech being applicable to less retarded platforms
Absolutely. If that magic metal is real I simply would make a tank gun and APFSDS with it...

>>64081059
Congratulations, you now have a vehicle that is 1/5th as tough as a mech because it had a tiny fraction of the areas for a projectile to hit, and which is immensely vulnerable to through-armor critical and mobility critical hits.

Additionally, your shit vehicle is now more expensive than a mech because of all that tech and still needing a crew of 3 or more.

>>64080929 (OP)
Harmony gold

>>64081070
All those non-critical arm and leg hits are now just misses
And you don't need a 3 man crew for a tank if you give it the same sensors

>>64081086
That’s not how it works, a mech has just as easy a time hitting a tank as it does another mech. Even easier if anything thanks to the mechs ability to dodge shots and its powerful ECM.

>>64080973
If it moved it is no longer in your way and your troops can get to their objectives anyway

But artillery can interdict moving targets just fine, you can even kill aerial with good enough observers. Nothing can just get out of the way of arty once its beaded in.

>>64080929 (OP)
tank and srm carrier spam. rifleman doesn't have the sinks for a prolonged engagement

>'What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the Imperial Guard' - Lord Solar Macharius
In kill lupercal one of this alone bogs down 5 Titans and badly damages one to the point it will die.
You can get three of this for every titan

>>64080929 (OP)
>Rifleman
Sent a light lance and watch it melt itself.

>>64080929 (OP)
lol

>>64080929 (OP)
lmao

>>64080929 (OP)
even

>>64081110
>>64081124
>>64081121
Those are all future vehicles (and even they are inferior to mechs). You have to make do with only modern current vehicles.

>>64081086
>Cruising in my future tank
>360 display cockpit
>AC20 turret on an eye tracker
>ECW means only detectable by line of site
>See 3 story tall mech a mile away
>He doesn't see me because trees/hills/buildings and I'm not 3 stories tall
>Close under cover
>Shoot him in the knee
>He falls over
>Takes him a minute to get up
>Point blank headshot before he can
>Hit jump jet for a celebratory tank hop

>>64081121
>>64081124
>>64081130
This is why I hate niggas who are all like "well I would just make tanks out of the technology" and act all smug as if they think that didn't occur to us. Bitch we already did it ourselves.

>>64081133
too late gay boy, should have mentioned that in the OP

>>64081133
I don't need vehicles

>>64081098
It doesn't work because your lore says only mechs get the good tech
but a smaller target with same tech 1/5 the size is going to be harder to hit

>>64081142
>Bitch we already did it ourselves.
And they are universally considered worse than mechs and only decent by virtue of being relatively cheap cannon fodder for planetary garrisons to shit out.

>>64081149
Because mechs are the ones that get all the gucci shit. Mechs are deliberately a shitty weapon of war and aren't designed for total war after what happened to humanity.

>>64081162
Why do you people keep saying this? Where did this gay meme come from?

>>64081162
Even the best tanks with all the best weapons and fusion engines and armor still end up losing to mechs.

>Seig Zeon

>>64081164
Because humanity regressed into a dark ages after nuking each other senseless.
The clan are honourbound retards and the Inner Sphere are full of idiotic nobles, they can larp as knights as much as they want.
M8 you cannot realistically think that mechs are practical.
>>64081192
The writers are writing stories about giant robots.

>>64080929 (OP)
Fiber optic FPV

>>64081208
>The writers are writing stories about giant robots.
Sure but even the mechanics reflect this. Put up a mech and a tank of equivalent tonnage and the mech will come out on top almost every time (in fact it’ll usually come out on top even against twice as many tanks, even on open terrain)

>>64081219
That's because it's game mechanics based around making mechs cool
It's not how it would work in real life

>>64081219
Yes because again, the writing doesn't make sense and the game incentives a giant robot.
A mech would not be that light for starters.

>>64081219
>Make mech game
>Mechs get wrecked by tanks
Looks like you just made a tank game

>>64080929 (OP)
>How do you take it out?
I dunno. Maybe I'll just fly right up to you and shoot you point blank in the face with a plasma cannon. Dumb ass Micronian!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/cbMtERuUgqc?start=604&end=608&loop=1

>>64081192
That really is just a narrative thing. There's nothing actually different about their armor and weapons, they have a different ratio of firepower and mobility but their protection should realistically be better, aside from their relatively exposed motive systems.
>>64081219
Again it's just a narrative thing. The rules dump a bunch of extra crit and motive hit locations onto the vehicle's hit tables, as well as making the angles that determine which table to use less forgiving. Tanks can take rear armor hits from enemies that any reasonable person would say are in front of them.

But I've played combined arms games with custom rules that make the hit tables fairer and the mechs still can't be dispensed with, there's no substitute for that specific blend of mobility, armor and firepower they bring. Helicopters can't take the return fire and tanks just can't move like mechs.

>>64081244
>but their protection should realistically be better
If you get a TAC into a tank, everyone dies. If you get a TAC into a mech, there’s a 66% chance you just disable a limb and the mech keeps fighting.

>>64080929 (OP)
>>Immune to any form of weapon guidance thanks to its ECM
This isn't true even in canon.

T. LRM boat player going all the way back to MW2

>>64081275
LRMs are dumbfire rockets, they follow pre-planned paths

>>64081275
Only works when you have a spotter

>>64081289
No I have BAP and Artemis

>>64081288
Incorrect. If that were true all you'd have to do is throttle down when I fired an alpha strike and my missiles would all overshoot (they don't).

>>64081269
Those TACs should be a lot harder to achieve because the armor should be thicker, what with it being spread over a smaller surface area. The build rules don't let them have as many points of armor as they ought to because the engines are over-weighted. You also can't be certain everyone will die if one hit penetrates, we already have tanks IRL that put their vitals between the hull and the crew to keep the latter alive, like the Merkava placing its engine up-front. Still a mission/mobility kill but not total annihilation.
>>64081288
Never seen anything in the lore that even suggests this, but there's plenty that suggests otherwise. All of the upgrades and alternative munitions for missiles play around with different guidance systems, or removing the guidance in the case of Deadfire missiles.

>>64081324
Well they’re not. Ablative armor is particularly prone to TAC’s regardless of how much armor you put on it.

>>64080929 (OP)
>Weapons up to an Abram tank’s 120 mm gun won’t even scratch it
Literally not true.

>>64080929 (OP)
>Technology exists to make giant walkers possible
>Take that technology and just... make a tank. But really big.
>Immune to any form of weapon guidance thanks to its ECM and truly absurd laser "defense" system from having multiple reactors that individually make a Atlas's reactor look small
>Weapons up to an infinite heat lasermonster crab's beamspam won't even scratch it
>Infinite power and ammo thanks to energy weapons and multiple fusion reactors
>Can engage targets at land, air, sea, and space, and drive along the bottom (or top) of the ocean without harm
>Faster than any military land vehicle known to man
How do you take it out?

In literally any scenario that you can make mechs, you can make tanks that do the job better.

>>64080929 (OP)

>>64081384
Literally true. Per the devs, 1 point of damage is the equivalent of three Abrams rounds landing in the exact same spot at the exact same time.

>>64081393
>1 point of damage is the equivalent of three 120mm rounds landing in the exact same spot at the exact same time
That can't be right. The GM Whirlwind AC/5, the oldest in the lore and the most well-known by the nerds, does exactly that but counts for 5 points of damage.

>>64081133
>mechs routinely btfo by arrow IV missiles and strike aircraft dropping bombs
>HE bombs in battletech are equivalent to 2,000 pound Mk 84s
>arrow IV is 400kg, or about the weight of an anti-ship missile (harpoon or NSM)
>mechs can not see aircraft at altitude level 9 or above (P.99 Total Warfare)
>each level is 50m, so aircraft are untouchable to mechs above 1,500 feet/ 450m

So planes can just orbit and smack them with bombs and missiles. Hell, you could probably have an attack helicopter just slap them with cannon fire (counts as battletech HMG) until they die. From 1,500 meters, an Apache should be able to make regular hits to the head.
>inb4 muh ECM

My F-15E and his wingman declare an altitude bombing of your position with 8x mk-84 dumb bombs using CCIP. Take 40 points of damage (two bombs per hex from each plane) in 10 point clusters and make a PSR check to see if you fall over. gg no re.

>>64081070
>Using game logic
Haha, you're so funny anon! SO FUNNY!
Do you have an actual rebuttal?

>>64081387
>How do you take it out?
I send wave after wave of my own mecha until the Ogre reaches its pre-determined kill limit and shuts down.

>>64081444
Shitposting aside, in any setting with energy weapons that have functionally infinite ammo "meatwave" tactics go from "retarded" to "just save everyone some time and kill your men yourself".

>>64081405
It isn't. An Abrams main gun is the equivalent to a medium rifle, which does 3 damage to mechs (6 damage with -3 penalty for hit against BAR 10 armor).

>>64081467
There is the possibility of overheating in a target-rich environment.

>>64081133
Sorry, the /k/ storytime rules say that you don't get to retroactively tack on new rules as you go along, deal with it.

nuke

>>64081219
Because the mechanics are deliberately written with nonsense damage rules to make tanks weaker.

>>64081499
Bigger tank=bigger heat sinks simple as

>>64081518
That’s just how ablative armor works.

>>64080929 (OP)
Napalm, because Battletech mechs are inevitably min-maxed with the bare minimum of thermal venting so even the slightest application of flame will cause them to stop firing for fear of catastrophic failure. Or it would be, except your average pilot will be firing at the very edge of melt-down so it's more likely the slightest like of external flame will cause catastrophe.

I'm just here to post cool webms of the better series again, don't mind me.

Battletech is extremely soft fantasy sci-fi. I will never get how mechwarrior fanboys think any of the game mechanics whether computer or tabletop ware in any way relatable to IRL and not just totally made up for a fantasy world.

>>64081578

>>64081571
If some fag tries to NO U, reminder that it was explicitly stated that deliberate forest fires are very effective at corralling or disabling enemy mechs for the obvious reason of hot outside=cooling sucks.

>>64081566
If you played Battletech you'll know it has nothing to do with armor.

>>64081407
Actually, I forgot about lasers, which wouldn't be affected by the mech's ECM. Instead of dumb bombs, they use Paveway III laser guidance kits on the Mk 84s, make a normal attack, and place all 8 bombs on target for 80 damage in 10 point clusters. Your mech is dead.

>>64081587
>>64081578
>better series
>look inside
>generic super robot slop
ok.

>>64081614
Lasers are affected, war machines in BT can detect and spoof target painters to divert munitions into the floor which is why Target Acquisition Gear has to weigh an entire goddam ton to counter ECM.
What BT has no answer for (that I've seen) is television guidance. A lot of mechs don't even bother with camoflage.

>>64081609
It has to do with TAC’s…which is because of the nature of how ablative armor works.

>>64081641
They aren't painting the mech, they're painting the ground near the mech. The F-15s only need to impact within 30 meters in order to land their hits.

>>64081641
Just point a laser at the TV guidance system and blind the camera

>>64081641
>What BT has no answer for (that I've seen) is television guidance. A lot of mechs don't even bother with camoflage.
Because again, battletech is soft sci-fi fantasy mech game so they deliberately make nonsense choices to keep you from just playing as aerial units or tanks and wiping the the floor with mech fans. Manual TV guidance would be literally undefeatable aside from minmaxing your mech as an AMS emplacement in battletech but instead they handwave it with stuff like a ton or more of ECM or a ton for a targeting laser for reasons

>>64081686
That's just AMS with extra steps and more requirements

>>64081686
>>64081697
Fictional laser-spoofing ECM is ubiquitous.
Anti-Missile CIWS from the 1960s is lostech.
Fellas I think they make it up as they go along.

>>64081713
Oh. Pic unrelated.

>>64081694
>so they deliberately make nonsense choices to keep you from just playing as aerial units or tanks and wiping the the floor
There is literally nothing stopping someone from annhilating mech players with conventional units. Infantry with field guns, aerospace fighters strafing, and a horde of conventional vehicles are all extremely powerful and well within the rules. You'd wreck the mech player through sheer initiative sinking alone. But, it's very tedious to play with a lot of units and Battletech is a big robots fighting game, so people want to fight their big robots against other people with big robots.

>>64081676
No, because tanks are arbitarily vulnerable to mobility crits and through armour crits for no reason.

>>64081742
And weapon jamming, don't forget the utterly pointless and player-time-wasting weapon jamming.

>>64081713
>Anti-Missile CIWS from the 1960s is lostech.
Nah it's called "AMS" and for the laser based one it's called "LAMS" I even mentioned AMS in the post you replied to.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anti-missile_system

>>64081916
>Due to the loss of knowledge caused by the Succession Wars, anti-missile systems ceased to be produced by 2835.
Literal Lost Technology.

>>64081940

HOLY FUCK YOU ILLITERATE RETARD

Shoot at it with rifles, a hundred men with small arms should instantly kill it.

>>64081959
So I'm not familiar with the battlemech system and it's ablative armor. Does this actually work?

>>64081958
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lostech

>>64081244
>That really is just a narrative thing.
No it's a mechanical thing, vehicles are destroyed if any single location is destroyed whilst a mech needs either the center torso/cockpit to be destroyed or some other rule causing destruction such as XL engines.

>>64080929 (OP)
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1291938

Isto é entre tu e eu, nem te atreves a dizer ao jica

Mas sabias que a Helena no ano passado teve um aborto que custou 3000€?

E mais uma pergunta
Quem é que violou a Helena quando era pequena?
O Norberto, um professor de matemática ou de natação?
Foste tú? Até acredito
(Muito obrigado, pedofilo filho da puta chamada Alzira)
A pior parte é que ela deve ter gostado e isso explica tudo

Tenta não violar o bebê neto da tua gold digger, mr Ian Watkins

E também não vou tomar conta de quinta nenhuma
Quando morreres, essa quinta vai para os ciganos
Já estamos a lidar com as maldições da puta da Tia Mila
Já é triste e engraçado ao mesmo tempo ver o parvo do Tio Zé a apodrecer com as merdas dos avós
Queimam essa merda toda
"Legado de senpaiília" é um cancro

Não admira que o Jica vai ao Porto, atirar os pensos da sua mangina para outra parede

George "I built my career saying the most basic opinions and made the world more retarded" Carlin
Grande mistério que algumas pessoas são "vítimas" de violação

Quando o cocó atrai moscas, temos que lidar com as Vios e Reneés, só para alguém queixar que fez demasiados contactos
"sobre socialização" existe

Sou um gamedev com centenas de ideias, o glitterboy João Lúcio não compara

Quando a Helena se matar, lembra de onde vai ser enterrada para poderes viola-la mais uma vez

A senpaiília é a prisão original
Correntes desde o dia 1
És nascido com um perfil predefinido e informação que não escolheste
Já és obrigado a saber nomes de pessoas e levar merdas até quando és pequeno
Mas um dia, tem que haver um recomeço
Já demasiadas pessoas subiram as escadas, mando as escadas a baixo

>>64081987
If it's only "lost" to one side, and stuff is regularly captured from the side it is not lost to, it is not lost. If it was not lostech to teh clans, it is not lostech. Dumbshit

>>64081968
Yes, although the exact numbers are exaggerated. A mech would most likely survive 100 men firing for one round, although it would have piloting rolls due to damage taken and have significant armor damage plus a lot of chances for crits.

Is OP actually autistic.

>>64081996
Game mechanics don't mean shit, retard.

>>64081968
Game creators didn't want AT infantry to be be one-pump chumps with realistic dispo launchers because it would be awkward to have game pieces sat on the table being ignored by the players for the remaining 90% of the game's runtime, so to solve this problem the rulemakers gave infantry the ability to mow down armored units using their rifles.
This was a horrible mistake but BT writers never retcon anything even when they should.

>>64081571
Honestly battlefags are forever seething that their mechs are shit and overheat at the drop of a hat.
That's why they have to overcompensate so hard with threads like this.

>>64081996
It's narrative, because the reason the game mechanics are that way are for narrative reasons. By your definition of "mechanics", everything is mechanical reasons, a pointless definition.

>>64082078
BT mechs would literally be getting mowed down by squads of spess muhreens double-firing their bolters if plopped down on the tabletop next to each other, funny.

>>64082078
Do you know why they don't just have reloadable launchers? Javelins are a platoon level weapon, and it would make sense for their Battletech version to be the same.
Also what program/website is that?

The Word of Blake did nothing wrong.
>>64080929 (OP)
I get a better mech.
>>64082068
Probably.

>>64082003
Your definition of lostech is not the official definition, it is not the way the term is used in the game rule books nor by characters in the literature and it is not the way the term is understood in common usage by the playerbase. You're very obviously wrong about this and calling me the retard just makes you look like you're having a melty.

>>64081387
Drill up from under it

>>64082144
IDK why they didn't go with reloadable launchers or even rifle grenades which were still popular in cold war military planning at the time.
But the program is MegaMek. https://megamek.org/installation.html

>>64082158
>omega BM
Had one of those last night after dinner

>>64082220
I was hungry and driving all day.

>>64082121
A warhound would be a high end Assault mech and nothing more. A King Crab with more health.

Space marines on the tabletop get mowed down by auto gun infantry, you don't want to go down this road.

>>64082312
I'm not a BTfag or a marinefag, I'm just here to laugh at OP for being such a loser who can't even choose a cool mech series to braindead fanboy for.

>>64082158
Everything I know about BT comes from HBS BT/MW5/Black Pants Legion which all seem to pretend everything post clan invasion never happened
Why is this such a commonly held position?

>>64081198

>>64082312
One Warhound weighs as much as a lance of King Crabs, has energy shielding to protect it, and the two guns it carries are fucking enormous. You're throwing real robots against super mecha here, this is Scopedogs versus GoLion.

>>64082336
IP changed hands at the end of the 90s and nobody liked what the new owner did with it.

There is more to mechs then just Battletech, like the infinitely more realistic Heavy Gear.

>>64080929 (OP)
>How do you take it out?
i don't its not real

>>64082390
>One Warhound weighs as much as a lance of King Crabs
We're not going to pretend the tonnages are total weight here sorry.

We're not going to pretend that the unarmed Atlas weighs zero tons (as it does "on paper" when you take off it's weapons), or that an Abrams tank can fire 40 times into a mech and do zero damage but bifurcate an assault mech by driving into it like an anime character.

>>64080929 (OP)

>>64082336
Because Jihad was shit, Dark Age was shit and Ilclan is shit and beyond pozzed

To be faire even Clan Invasion is disliked because a core of players just to play introtech/hobotech forever

>>64080929 (OP)
>How do you take it out?
Since it's an imaginary bullshit vehicle, I just imagine something even stronger.
You stupid fucking faggot.
Hurrdurr ok, here's my invention (pic related), it's specifically immune to mech weapons, faster than mechs, has guidance that mechs aren't immune to, has infinite ammo, can engage targets at land, air, sea, in the core of the earth, can time travel, can phase through matter, can invade your dreams, can invade your pets dreams and make it whimper while it sleeps.
Fuck you OP, go cut your retard dick off.

>>64080929 (OP)
>armor is ablative, so it eventually goes bye bye if you hit it enough
>longest ranged weapon by game rules hits at like 650 meters.
>cockpit sniping is a thing
>modern mbts can hit with pinpoint precision at around 2-3km, atgms 4-10k

Ok, so let's say a 120mm dart is equivalent to an ac/2, an atgm (tow, kornet, etc) hits equivalent to an srm2, 152mm howitzer shell like an ac/2, himars salvo like an lrm/5, 5 fps drones same as an atgm
So now we just swarm it with spotting drones, and then hit it until it goes down while maintaining assets away, hell even just basic bitch fps drones.
Or kite it with a helo, a few ka52/apaches slinging atgms at it can just kit it and core it with atgm way outside ranges it can even see them.

>>64081032
>A single lance of mechs is able to take out an entire modern tank company
wow. 12 tanks.

>>64081275
>T. LRM boat player going all the way back to MW2

Hello fellow LRM boat devotee. I still remember my loadouts from the MW4Mercs days.

>>64080929 (OP)
Next time you try to flex, try something other than a fucking Rifleman.

>>64083403
A mech being able to take out 3 times its number in tanks AND the infantry platoon its with makes the mech a superweapon

>>64080929 (OP)
Blast out one of it's knees.
>oh but its' armor is too thick and will withstand anything thrown at it
well then either we're in fantasy land so I get to use instant fire satellite beams, or we're in reality and the thing moves so dam slow because of its' excessive weight that I lure the thing into any soft wet ground and get the stupid thing caught there.

>>64083459
Even if you blast out a knee, it can continue to hop on one leg and keep fighting.

Just destroy the planet it's on.
EZPZ

>>64080929 (OP)
>ECM
>ECCM
>Home on jam
>Immune to weapons up to 120mm APFSDS
Exposed cockpit, big enough HE will shockfuck it. Say hello to 155mm HE.

>Infinite power and ammo
>Faster than any land vehicle
Everyone else has it now thanks to your fusion reactor evollution: Praise the Deathsphere Omnimovers which move a hundred times faster, accelerate at the very limits of the transhumanist body's brain within their braincase and levels the firepower of a directed thermonuclear weapon in a relatively narrow cone. You are nothing to the Deathsphere.

>>64080929 (OP)
>Glass cockpit
I wait around a corner, sip my boomer juice, stick my leg out as it passes by, watch it trip and fall to the ground, unable to get back up because it's top heavy and has no arms, then walk up to the cockpit and shoot the pilot through the glass while he's seething, duh - gg no re too ez.
>Giant exposed optics

I wish the rifleman was as cool as OP makes it sound. I have always felt like it was too underarmored, too slow, and too weight constrained. I cannot give it enough ammo for guns, and I cannot give it enough heat sinks for lasers.

Now the Stalker? That's a real mech. Especially when you swap out the 2 large lasers for Medium lasers, then use the weight savings for twin LRM 20 Artemis missiles.

>>64084131
>When you are tired of Yang's bullshit and you pop nerve gas on a airship with unlimited range
>Civilization litteraly being rolled back across Planet
>The Planetary Council has voted to sanction you with 4536214591254 years
>You do not care

>>64080929 (OP)
He beats it, you can go back now.

>>64084317
Yang deserves only singularity planetbusters followed by a wave of String Deathspheres rolling over the survivors and loose colony pods at the edge of the craters.
>Demand tech
>Declare war when denied
>Missile Dragons rush the border 2022 style
Worse of a retarded rabid dog to put down than the Spartans, this Human Hive.

>>64083413
Good times. I had more fun once the mektek stuff came out though. What was your favorite vessel to boat the LRM seas in?

>>64081116
I fucking love shadowswords, I love superheavy tank destroyers, titanicucks will tremble

>>64083413
I feel like LRMs got nerfed in MW5 Clans. They were good in MW5 Mercs, along with SRMs and lasers. Machine guns were good for just shooting up buildings in demolition missions. But in Clans, I get the feeling that everything but lasers suck. Maybe it's because I and everyone in my Star constantly runs out of ammo. I'm not sure.

>>64081098
>thanks to the mechs ability to dodge shots
I mean, a laser is very difficult to dodge, even though some psychic japanese teenagers have proven it can be done if given a suitable prototype mech.

>>64080929 (OP)
How long can the pilot go without sleep or water?

>>64081098
Please stop saying ECM as if it does anything to mechs further than 100m away. If you have an ECM of your own, you can set it to counter-mode to completely mitigate the effects of hostile ECMs.

>>64085231
Lasers are damage-over-time weapons that leave a visible light trail. They need to be kept on target for the duration of their burst to do full damage. You can take evasive action if you see a laser starting to hit you. Mechs that move fast and are bobbing will naturally spread the damage of the laser over multiple sections of the mech. Tanks are just a single piece of armor and slow, so lasers are generally always going to fuck them up with high efficiency.

What makes lasers super effective is when you fire 12 of them at once and have enough cooling to do it 2 more times before overheating.

>>64081026
Pretty sure even an ordinary, otherwise unarmed Zaku beats this rustbucket into the dust.

>>64081387
>>In literally any scenario that you can make mechs, you can make tanks that do the job better.
Why choose?

>>64082401
Heavy Gear is getting a 3rd game apparently. I'm kinda excited for it, I hope they focus on the gameplay and don't make it super visual heavy. Honestly those old games have a great aesthetic, and the way they handle effects just has a charm that is lost today. I still got to get the old games working on my computer

>>64081070
>you now have a vehicle that is 1/5th as tough as a mech because it had a tiny fraction of the areas for a projectile to hit,
what the fuck is this logic? more surface area would mean it's more thinly armored and easier to hit.

>>64081192
I don't see why

>>64082312
>Space marines on the tabletop get mowed down by auto gun infantry
no they don't

>>64085850
Mechs are able to carry similar amounts of armor to a tank despite their surface area

>>64085893
>because reasons

>>64080929 (OP)
A number of Savannah Masters equal to the cost of the Rifleman itself

>>64080936
fippy bippy

>>64086164
And who are you going to get to pilot those death traps?

>>64084592
My main ride for a long time was a 6CLRM Longbow.

Then i went onto stuffing CLRM5s into Lokis and Vultures. (It just occured to me to fire up my old computer andcheck out merc again as i really don't remember how many CLRM5s, just that i was using them by the bunch.)
The Vulture was really cool in that it had the 360 torso twist and so could fire while running away. I actually used to reverse into firing positions and 180 the torso. The missles fired off like a comet, not like staggered launches like LRM20s. That really helped more than most thought.

>>64081198
It's worth noting the Zaku II's poor adaptation for ground conditions alongsize Zeon's shitass conventional forces that the war ground to a halt, necessitating the creation of two (2) new model MS wholly to replace it.

>>64086506
The Zaku was designed for zero and reduced g operations, it is still a formidable war machine.

>>64086343
The men with the biggest balls who want to win. They have a vastly higher chance of victory than being in a conventional tank or PBI.

>>64080929 (OP)
I throw asteroid at the planet it is on

>>64084307
>Rifleman
>specifically built as an anti-air mech
Might as well cry about how a gepard doesn't have enough armor to duke it out with Leopard 2s.
>muh stalker mechwarrior5 slop
No shit it can fight more, it weighs 30 tons more.

>>64085240
All there in the manual - the TechManual.

>>64080929 (OP)
>rifleman
it's got paper armor and no heatsinking

>>64084592
>>64086472
In the singleplayer for MW4:M I'd load up my lancemates with LRMs and fit my own Mech out with a NARC launcher and general brawling weapons. I did this primarily because the friendly NPCs can't aim for shit. In the early stages my favourite missile boat is the Hellspawn, as soon as I can I like to graduate to the Nova Cat and Awesome. The former can carry two of the biggest Thunderbolt launchers and still have ample armor protection.

>>64086886
Isn't their pilot seat also more of a couch so that they can sleep on it if they have to go multiple days in the field?

>>64086886
Why not just have a hole for the turds to fall out on the bottom of the mech?

>>64080929 (OP)
How do I gain the motivation to paint shit at a basic enough level/with minimum effort to join my local BT group? Give me the simplest paint schemes.
The 9-5 is too much for me bros and I refuse to further waste away the time on my weekend on spending the money I've earned, which I've discovered is the wagie's REAL JOB. Depressing as fuck.

>>64081387
>a atlas
implying your third world country will have one of these
it will, in the sense that one of these will be on your country's territory, crushing your cities beneath it's treads.

>>64087558
Air brushes are cheap these days.

>>64080973
Anon a broadside from orbit will clear a fucking map sheet

Laser CIWS and other CIWS along with smart jamming will make slow drones ineffective simply because they will get shot down before reaching their target. A small FPV is flying at 50kph. Even the world record FPV that was chasing F1 cars is still too slow. Which leaves guided missiles which will need to be moving very fast for the same reason.

Walkers are generally without advantage compared to a traditional vehicle. Both die when killed. Both are big targets vulnerable to computer image processing.

You're just arguing for legs, which just means you need to build a working prototype and demonstrate that there is a worthwhile advantage to adopting them.

>>64087558
>How do I gain the motivation to paint shit at a basic enough level/with minimum effort to join my local BT group?
I've heard BT fags are extremely loose on models and shit and it's perfectly fine to just have paper cutouts of your units. No clue if that's true so maybe ask but I'd do something super simple like that to get your foot in to provide further motivation.
Bonus is your can start painting your favorite stuff instead of having a huge log of shit to do before you can start.

Why did technological advancement skyrocket in the 1990s and then come to a near halt to never recover in like 2200?
The star league in its golden age would use centuries old equipment. What the fuck?

>>64086935
Never thought of doing that.

Knowing how NPCs are i only hired the very best stat wise. Then i would load up their mechs with LLs or PPCs. One thing i would do at the beginning though was fire everyone and sell everything then get a suitable light mech to do the first two missions. After that, Solaris would be available and i'd make bank in the light and medium tournaments. Then it was time to get back into the campaign in an Assault where i would solo missions for max profit. By then i was able to afford a top notch Assault lance to field on more lucrative contracts.

>>64087957
Because it's a mech game.

>>64087989
Your MechWarriors can level up every skill except "Blind Fighting" in the campaign and it has a huge affect on their accuracy, they're never as good as elite enemies. Replay the missions in instant action with elite pilots on both sides and you'll really see the difference, they can use the same builds as you with equal competence and sweep through missions.

>>64087558
The game isn't faghammer. Just show up with the mechs and play. All you need is to clearly designate the front and have it be distinctly identifiable.

If you really want a basic paint job, then spray them OD green and put a black wash over the model. It's that easy.

>>64086765
>MW5
>slop
You what? It's the best game of the series.

>>64087957
What do you mean? We are already using aircraft that are 70 years old, like the f-15. Our infantry rifles are even older. The very bullets we shoot are older still. At least a century old.

We are already in the timeline.

>>64088306
What do you mean? None of those are comparable at all.

>>64088413
Sure they are. Old things are still being used. We are still using the M2 machine gun, despite its design being over 100 years old. We are technologically stagnant.

>>64081149
Alacorn says hi.

>>64081164
It's true if you look specifically at TRO3026, which contains most of the original vehicles that were introduced. While there are a few that are high-end, most are cheaper and less optimized. Compare a Scorpion tank to a PHK, and tell me which is likely to win in a lance-on-platoon fight. By TRO3058, the gap had closed somewhat, thanks to tanks like the Regulator, Alacorn, and Challenger.

So, if you were around in the '80s and early '90s, you got used to tanks being cheap militia trash with the occasional exception (e.g., Patton, or the mobile minefield that is the Demolisher). If you discovered BT during or after the "eternal '56" period, then you probably have more respect for tanks, because some of them are better (and on occasion absurdly expensive).

>>64082078
Do note that this required a 2 followed by a 12; that's 1/36 followed by another 1/36. That's pretty darn lucky.

>>64081198
Sieg Zeon!

>>64086935
I loved playing the Overlord mission over and over again, and my favorite loadout was an Atlas with a pair of A4s.

>>64089308
The Atlas moves at 34km/h, though. What the hell are A4s, by the way?

>>64089424
Arrow IV

>>64089468
What's that? There's machine guns, canons, guass rifles, PPC, lasers, missiles, and rockets. What's "arrow"?

>>64089498
Big missile launcher. In tabletop it's a multi-tube artillery system, in MW4 it's one massive missile that rips a mech open.

>>64080929 (OP)
mechs die to conventional forces just fine.

>>64089503
Sounds pretty cool.

>>64080937
>Mechas are the mahou shoujos of manchildren
What if we combine them?

>>64089551
Sex with Chris

>>64089509
Urban warfare will always be the kryptonite of vehicles,

>>64082169
Going by the actual definition, AMS is only Lostech if you're playing an Inner Sphere game set between 2835 and 3040. The most recent chronological events are occurring in 3152. You haven't been correct since 1992.

>>64082336
It's the height of franchise popularity, it's where a lot of players started, and it cleanly divides the factions into two sides while massively simplifying the politics of the setting. For analogy, it's the difference between wargaming the Wars of Austrian Succession including related conflicts and WW1. Plus since a lot of players have disliked various narrative and mechanical directions that have come later and it being perfectly fine to play games set in earlier time periods you get a lot of games that default to the Clan invasion.

Shame really, I think the ilClan era has a setup that could make for some really great developments but the people running the franchise are basically idiots.

>>64085133
No, the general consensus is that you get too few shots per ton for anything that uses ammo.

>>64085501
It's kinda hard to translate Gundam to BT, but using the specs given on the Gundam fandom wiki a Zaku II would be a Heavy mech with really good ground speed and decent maneuverability through jump jets. However, given its standard loadout of 120mm gun, 280mm bazooka, and heat hawk, it's very undergunned.

>>64089509
Why couldn't the BETA develop a ranged unit that wasn't a laser, like a Hydralisk, are they stupid?

>>64089971
>develop a ranged unit that wasn't a laser
The smallest laser class can kill planes 30km away, 10 km high with one shot.

>are they stupid?
Yes, they are stupid, it took 27 years before the BETA on earth started to get smart.


The BETA are carbon based biological mining machines created by silicon based lifeforms. They are programed to only view silicon life as sentient.

The BETA never viewed humanity as actual sentient lifeforms. Every single BETA class is ment for mining. It is only later that the BETA start to change and develop dedicated classes ment for combat. About the same time that the muv luv alternative/eclipse plot is happening.

>>64089940
>general concensus
Well now, I'm not sure if the problem is that the given ammo is any different from the last game, although if it is different, it's not enough. It may also be that the levels throw way more mechs at you to compensate for the Clan mechs having so many advantages.

It also just feels as if my missiles are simply less effective. I used to love the early patches of MW5:M, where the drop ships would dump mechs on top of you. I used SRM boats and would demolish whole lances within seconds of meeting them. LRMs also felt powerful if you massed them. I loved my Catapults and Stalkers because they could do serious damage at range, without running out of ammo instantly. Maybe this was because of the tiered weapons and pilot skills, though.

>>64090023
>27 years
More like 1 week. The BETA update their software every 7 days. So humans were bombing them for a week before the BETA adapted and used lasers on anything that flies. Then they kept refining their targeting priorities. First on the list was flying things, next week it was artillery shells, then artillery shells with computers in them, and so on.

>>64083433
At least Rifleman can move!

>>64080929 (OP)
These things exist IRL btw

>>64090058
1 week is the software update for simple battlefield situations

27 years is for the "hang on, are these carbon based life forms sentient? let me do some experiments for that involve rape and body torture before turning you into a brain in yar " situation. It was also at the battle of Yokohama base where we had laser class intentionally ignore aerial targets and focus on breaching gates, which happend about 27 years after the first BETA landed on earth.

>>64080929 (OP)
Same tech as the mech: magic.

>>64087558
BT groups want players. They don't care about WYSIWYG. Any placeholder will do.

the enlightened EDF uses both tanks and mecha in mass alongside infantry and enough air support to recreate rolling thunder a dozen times over

those bugs won't know what hit em

>>64087200
>He wants a poop chute to shove missile into
This anon bats for the other team, this anon from the uranian brotherhood

>>64080929 (OP)
Call in an airstrike. You can drop shit that hits significantly harder than 120mm rounds from way up high with surprising accuracy.
Alternately make wireguided drones big enough to carry enough explosives at high speeds to fuck it up. Like a flying done VBIED.
Or tie cables between two drones and do the Star Wars thing. Or bury a shit ton of explosives and wait for it to pass by.

>>64080929 (OP)
Battletech thread? Post cool mechs

>>64090070
The Rifleman is not much faster than a Fafnir. Besides, my Fafnir loadout for combat was 4 Light Gauss, which will reach out and touch you at ranges only an ERPPC, LRMs, or Arrow4s could counter. For the arena, it was 2 Heavy Gauss, Max ammo+armor. Anything would be blown away with two pulls of the trigger if the aim is true. And it was quite nimble if you knew how to work the stick, throttle, and terrain.

>>64090444
A Rifleman is 15% faster than a Fafnir and has variants that mount ERPPCs. Also you're comparing a second-line fire support Heavy mech to a frontline Assault mech.

>>64089940
>it's very undergunned.
To be fair, the Heat Hawk is probably enough to get through most things. Its sheer bulk and the force it can exert using kicks and punches is likely enough to mission kill most BT mechs.
It's also ridiculously fast and mobile for BT standards.

>>64089551
The entire Nanoha franchise says hi.

>>64090539
In space, sure. But BT ground combat is actually way more fluid and maneuverable than most people assume from playing Mechwarrior, with punches, kicks, and melee weaponry being standard training. Not only that and the general firepower discrepancy, the use of fixed hardpoints in BT means that it could face weapons fire while in melee. Melee isn't going to be a cakewalk for a Zaku.

>>64090504
Good luck trying to maintain continuous with that variant. And a 15 percent speed difference is pitiful when you consider the Fafnir is a 100 ton mech.

As an AA mech, the rifleman is top notch. Even as fire support it's rather lackluster.

>>64090630
It's more that the Zaku is extremely dangerous in a melee, since it is very fast, very nimble and rather heavy.
Of course, the Zaku was designed for space and colony combat, so it excels in lower or zero gravity environments and its ground performance is drastically worse.

Also, it is important to note that any Zaku pilot is at least somewhat likely to have some extent of Newtype abilities, allowing them to punch far above the weight class of their machine.

>>64090739
There is never any hard numbers given for the population of Newtypes in Gundam and given that Newtypes are all Spacenoids, they lost the war to Oldtypes.

>>64090789
The Zaku is a Zeon machine, so of course it will be piloted by a Spacenoid.
Zeon lost the war for a variety of reasons, including Amuro's contributions and relentless infighting.

>>64089883
>The most recent chronological events are occurring in 3152. You haven't been correct since 1992.
You're a moron. This isn't like other games where people only play the most recent "edition" or something. The game is treated like a pseudo-historical, with different eras which all get play. It's like a ww2 game. You're going to have early war, mid war, and late war games all supported and played at the same time. If anything, IlClan specific is the least popular and is usually just used as short hand for "bring whatever, no eras."
>>64090444
>muh custom mw5 slop job
eww.

>>64090938
>>muh custom mw5 slop job
>eww.

MW4Mercs FTW

>>64086506
There are literally ground type Zakus, desert type Zakus, and even late war Zakus like the F2 which don't seem to struggle on the ground that much. The real flaw of the Zaku is probably in it's fluid joint system giving it sluggish controls under duress, which is why you see them struggle in CQB situations vs GMs which has field motor powered joints which yielded superior reaction time for melee and the like. The Gouf and the Dom were specifically designed with MSvsMS combat in mind whereas that was initially an afterthought of the Zaku II, that is the "problem" with it

>>64091438
There were also a few flight type zakus. If I had a nickel for every zaku variant, I'd be a rich man.

>>64091752
That's just the Gouf as far as I know. If there was a flight type Zaku it was probably a failed experiment sorta like the Zaku Mariner(sorta) was.

>>64080929 (OP)
bump

>>64093419
Fuck off

>>64093419
Next time you want to bump a thread, just make a real post, or reply to someone in good faith.

>>64081387
>In literally any scenario that you can make mechs, you can make tanks that do the job better.
the point of mechs is that, like humans, they are really good at using tools. you can modify a mech easily with attachments and it'll do a decent (but not optimal) job in any role.

>>64093615
You're a fucking retard, the point of mechs is "ooh cool robot".

>>64093615
Well actually, the reasons for mechs existing in Battletech are multifold.

>They used to be a side show before major wars attrited the primary tools of war (warships)
>Mechs became a symbol of status, so people who choose between tanks and mechs always picked mechs
>Mechs use a special artificial muscle that has super high torque, which lets them overcome tanks in the armor to weight department.

>>64080929 (OP)
Build a tank using the same technology.

These threads are gay as all hell, the autists spamming em can't even choose cool robots to use for them.

>>64093677
Tank treads cannot be spun with artificial muscles.