What went right?

$99 at Big5 for several decades

>>64082009 (OP)
Authoritarianism. If it weren't for communism's perpetual state of fucking up/ killing the few non-fuck ups for not fellating the party enough and nazism's need to expand in order to economically survive the reds wouldn't have shat out several fuck tons of mosins and kept producing them long after they were obsolete just in case the Germans get any ideas again

>>64082009 (OP)
It was a good enough turn of the century design that Imperial Russia's under-developed industry could produce at scale. It was also cheap enough to contract manufacturing from abroad in order to make up shortfalls in domestic production.

By 1917 they had enough M91s on hand that it didn't make sense to switch to something else, so they got by with a minor update.
They were working on a standard self loading rifle, up until war were declared again and just like the civil war there really wasn't time or resources to work out the kinks and get a new design into large scale production.

By the time war were un-declared because Germans were collectively breathing through their assholes, it was clear that a new weapon system was needed. This became the SKS briefly before moving onto the AK series, but they still had metric tons of M91s, M91S/30s, M48s, M44s and other nuggets on hand. Besides being usable sniper rifles until the SVD came along, there was no sense in throwing them away with the threat of WW2 Atomic Edition breaking out any second.

As such they got stored until the communism ran out and hard foreign currency was badly needed. At that point, they had already sold off all their useful military weapons to people like Viktor Bout, leaving SKSes, Mosings and Nagant Revolvers not really getting any interest. They were suitable for export as old collector guns to civilian markets but because they all showed up around the same time they saturated the market for years. That's why we saw $59 M44s being sold by the crate. The artificially low price created it's own demand, which caught up with falling supplies and the prices went up once the surplus dried up. Now a Mosins is worth about what it is, ~$400 for an old garbage rod that shoots somewhat obtainable ammunition. It doesn't make sense economically to buy one, but it isn't crazy expensive for a gun that fought in WW2, possibly also WW1 and can still be fun to shoot now (sticky bolt notwithstanding).

It was a good enough turn of the century design that Imperial Russia's under-developed industry could produce at scale. It was also cheap enough to contract manufacturing from abroad in order to make up shortfalls in domestic production.

By 1917 they had enough M91s on hand that it didn't make sense to switch to something else, so they got by with a minor update. They were working on the AVT/SVT, up until war were declared again and just like the civil war there really wasn't time or resources to work out the kinks and get a new design into large scale production.

By the time war were un-declared because Germans were collectively breathing through their assholes, it was clear that a new weapon system was needed. This became the SKS briefly before moving onto the AK series, but they still had metric tons of M91s, M91/30s, M48s, M44s and other nuggets on hand. Besides being usable sniper rifles until the SVD came along, there was no sense in throwing them away with the threat of WW3 Atomic Edition breaking out any second.

As such they got stored until the communism ran out and hard foreign currency was badly needed. At that point, they had already sold off all their useful military weapons to people like Viktor Bout. This left SKSes, Mosins and Nagant Revolvers not really getting any interest. They were suitable for export as old collector guns to civilian markets but because they all showed up around the same time they saturated the market for years. That's why we saw $59 M44s being sold by the crate. The artificially low price created it's own demand, which caught up with falling supplies and the prices went up once the surplus dried up. Now a Mosins is worth about what it is, ~$400 for an old garbage rod that shoots somewhat obtainable ammunition. It doesn't make sense economically to buy one, but it isn't crazy expensive for a gun that fought in WW2, possibly also WW1 and can still be fun to shoot now (sticky bolt notwithstanding).

>>64082009 (OP)
poverty

>>64082009 (OP)
It just werks.

Refuses to break, refuses to die, continues to thrive.

Being more effective at ranges intermediate cartridges fall off at means it will stick around for years to come in irregular and militia units.

Dictatorships and former Soviet aligned countries still have millions of Mosin rounds in storage.

It stands out as a DMR in modern (poor) conflict zones even today because they can be had exponentially cheaper than any modern big caliber rifle.

7.62x54r is also more lethal at common (to non special forces marksmen) ranges than 308, burgers will seethe at this fact.

>>64082009 (OP)
>just one more war…
>one more war comrade, and we can retire…
>just one more war…
>just…

>>64082561
>It was a good enough turn of the century design that Imperial Russia's under-developed industry could produce at scale.

Also why communist china loved them and used them for an embarrassingly long time

It just works

>>64082009 (OP)
it just werks and if you spent 10x the money on rifles for russian conscripts you wouldn't net 10x the effectiveness.

>>64082009 (OP)
>is better

>>64082009 (OP)
>What went right?
It barely works, and Russian bureaucracy did the rest. Literally just a Lebel bolt with a vertical box magazine cludged on.

>>64082601
>stuck bolt
didn't clean out cosmoline

>>64083663
I have served for many, many years, but my sentence will be over soon.

>>64083685
To be fair, going from a dog's breakfast of different rifles, pistols, a few machine guns and carbines in any one of 100+ possible calibers, random condition, some made locally by blacksmiths out of pig iron and hardly any ammunition to go around at all to an ok design in one caliber that doesn't need a lot of maintenance was a godsend for the PLA. Especially being sponsored by a friendly neighboring government that had millions of the rifles, parts, accessories and ammunition for them left over from a massive fuck-off war. Not to even mention original tooling and experienced workers that could be lent out in order to start local production.

Mao and Stalin had quite the bromance and it trickled down as technical assistance in order to get Communist China back on their feet after decades of civil war, the Japanese and multiple natural diseases. Unfortunately Mao was also a disaster for his country and people, but that's another story.

>>64085275
>didn't design a rifle that's better than Lebel
ftfy

>>64082009 (OP)
It was cheap, rugged and good enough that wasn't a liability against other rifles.

>>64082221
Wish I bought one of their 10 packs and just stuffed it into the basement.

>>64082009 (OP)
>won both world wars
>won vietnam against the 1911, m14, and m16
sneed I say more?

>>64082277
Chegum

>>64082009 (OP)
They made it just good enough. It's a contender for the worst service rifle of its era, but it still worked well enough.

>>64082009 (OP)
>What went right?
Soviets being retarded faggots and losing the Cold War, then selling everything not nailed down to the West for pocket change.

>>64082601
It's not a great bolt but I'm a noodle armed lefty and I can count on one hand the amount of times is was too sticky to operate by reach around.

>>64086934
That is incorrect. The M91 was very much on the losing side of the first world war. The Russian Empire gave up and signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the German Empire, which was even at that time falling apart and losing to Russia's allies.

So although the side Russia was in win, Russia itself lost very badly and completely collapsed as a country during the war.

>>64086934
That's like saying Poland won both world wars. Their enemies might have lost, but they didn't do any winning.

>just checked mosin prices
it's so over

>>64083663
are mobiks still using mosins or have they looted enough AKs to not do that anymore?

>>64088066
He tried to warn you. Why didn't you listen?

I always found it funny that the Austro-Hungarians bothered with converting 200,000 of these into 8x50r.

how the fugg do I find a pre 1900 mosin

>>64087362
Thankfully your pet niggers will kill you before you have a chance to do anything

>>64088174
lefty = left handed
dumbass righty subhuman

>>64088174
I think he meant left-handed, dumb nigger

>>64088186
>>64088188
to be fair to the dumb nigger, "noodle armed lefty" does make it sound like you're a leftist.

>>64088174
just imagine the letting the word Left trigger you this badly

>>64082221
FPBP, based anon, one off though that's gotta sting

>>64087305
>worst service rifle of its era

The Mosin Is not a carcano that zeroes at 7,000 meters and has clips that guarantee feeding issues though.

The bastardization of the Mauser and mannlicher is a strange and uniquely Italian blunder.

Rather than the best of both worlds the carcano is the worst of both combined.

>>64088251
It's a contender still. It's definitely up there with French shit and the Carcano, for much the same reason. It was too early to the game so they didn't get to copy the Germans properly like everyone else wound up doing.

>>64088145
Join FDF, they still use 'em.
Some of their TKIV 85s still in service have parts from rifles older than Finland.

>>64087372
>>64088041
>erm akshually that didnt count
holy reddit

>>64088946
>country withdraws from war formally due to collapsing into abject anarchy
>we won guise
If they won any harder there wouldn't be Russians left.

It was just good enough perfected.

>>64084159
>muh mad minute
just kidding though, honestly i love the lee enfield family, it just feels right in my hands, and as a burger, that makes me feel very, very dirty.

for the shittiest mass adopted bolt action ever? ziggers were forced to produce them by the millions so africans can still use them and some americans could buy them cheap for some time more than a decade ago. what else?