80 years later, how do we feel about it?

A terrible mistake. Should have taken out Tokyo. Should have strapped Douglas McArthur onto Fatman and dropped it on Osaka on the same day as the bombing of Tokyo. At the same time, firebomb the fuck out of Nagoya.

>>64084609 (OP)
Japan's okay, I guess.
They got some cute grills.

>>64084609 (OP)
Don't fucking touch our boats.
We'll fucking vaporize you for it, you slant eyed yellow bugmen.

A fucking travesty the Emperor wasn't decapitated. McArthur is a stain upon American history. First he loses Philippines, then he spares the Emperor, the man who was in charge when American POWs were executed, who oversaw mass murders and human experimentation, then McArthur fucking lost Korea. Worst general in American history.

>>64084632
>American prisoners vivisected with no anesthesia
McArthur should be vivisected for failing his men and fleeing like a coward in the Philippines.

it worked
and it likely saved far more lives on all sides in the long run, since i'm sure the japanese could have gone full attrition warfare against the allies

>>64084644
It didn't fucking work. It spared japs from justice. They were fucking cutting up American prisoners in universities like they were animals.

>>64084646
the majority of the civilians wouldn't have been involved in their war crimes, anon. though the majority of the civilians could have been turned into soldiers.

collective punishment is wrong.

>>64084632
The handling of Japan was flawless, America got a consistent friendly base right on the doorstep of commie china and right at the USSR's backdoor. How many times does America go to war with a country and end up with it as a friend afterwards? Fucking rare, isn't it? But it worked with Japan, and if the US had fucked up the post-war peace it would have ended up just driving Japan into the arms of whatever asian hegemon rose up later (China, as it happens), or reduced it to a worthless self-hating german style cuckold state of no use to anyone.

MacArthur is the greatest military leader America ever had.

>McArthur fucking lost Korea
No he didn't, the US entered the war with the goal of protecting South Korea from communist aggression and they succeeded. Korea was a victory. Was it a total victory where North Korea was liberated? No, but that was never an official US war goal.

>>64084609 (OP)
First one was justified, second was a test.

>>64084632
Killing the god king would have lead to resentment and rebellion instead of the westernization that happened.

>>64084677
>MacArthur is the greatest military leader America ever had.
This is poor bait. Let me guess, retaking philippines was vital in the war effort against Japan.

>>64084677
This, interested to see how much more bullshittery they put up with as far as this tariff nonsense goes though. Not like there haven't been trade disputes between the two countries before but prevuously the US at least pretended it wasn't floundering about and shaking down staunch allies for their lunch money for no good reason
>>64084650
Its worth noting, not that most people would care about the distinction, just how isolated the mainland Japanese population was from the war until the late stage, as opposed to the German homefront having it pretty much in their face from day one and the whole "neighbors disappearing because they're jews" thing.
Perks of being an island I suppose if you're an authoritarian trying to keep your people in the dark

>>64084609 (OP)
It was based.

>>64084650
>collective punishment is wrong.
Soft hearted fucks like you are why people are subjected to war crimes and loss of freedom.

>>64084849
keep crying, chang

>>64084609 (OP)
YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL.

>>64084754
>Perks of being an island I suppose if you're an authoritarian trying to keep your people in the dark
There was a quote from some civvi in japan basically going like "we only heard about our Army and Navy's glorious victories, but noticed that they kept coming closer and closer to the Home Islands"

>>64084621
There wasn't anything left of Tokyo worth bombing. The point was shock and awe against an intact target to prove the weapon's power.

>>64084686

>Be America
>Genocides half a million Filipinos in the Philippine-American War
>Abandons said colonized Filipinos via "Europe First Policy" in WW2 even though only Japan attacked America never Germany

"Errmerrgard America is based Filipinos are savages"

>Also America
>Won't execute a known war criminal Japanese Emperor

"But the killing of a war criminal Emperor would lead to rebellion N shieeettt!"

>>64085049
I'm not a clap but looking at the end result of Japan westernising, adopting classical liberalist capitalism and putting all their weapons engineers into the private sector leading to amazing cars and electronics do you think it could have gone better?
I wish we hung every war criminal but that's never going to happen because sometimes revenge excludes the best possible outcome.

>>64084609 (OP)
It was only done so Truman could show the Russians that there was a "new sheriff in town," and so the Manhattan Project eggheads could take credit for winning the war when the US Navy already had Japan on the brink of defeat. Truman and Eisenhower were both giga-retards who deliberately prolonged the war and allowed the commies to make huge inroads into Europe and Asia as a result. They basically caused the Cold War by allowing the Russians to take Berlin, Manchuria, and North Korea.

>>64084910
based grandpa

>>64085039
>There wasn't anything left of Tokyo worth bombing.
The Emperor was there.

>>64085049
we executed plenty of Japan's leadership, who cares. Also
>muh germany did nothing to the US
yeah ok /pol/tard

Japan needed to surrender quickly to prevent the Soviets from taking more of Korea or, God forbid, establishing a beachhead on Hokkaido. It would have been ideal if Japan had surrendered after Hiroshima, but the Imperial Army and Navy were too fucking stubborn to realize that the war was lost. Which is why their strategy a day after Hiroshima was
>let's just endure it, there's no way they could do this a second time
It would have been preferable to not have to drop the second bomb, but it had to be done to force the capitulation.

Given the post-war economic miracle, history has vindicated the US in that regard.

>>64085132
What about the university professors who were vivisecting live american prisoners in kyushu and in china? All of them charged, none of them punished.

WW2 was a psyop as a whole and we should've never entered the war and fought Japan, let alone Germany. We would've won without nukes, the Japs were just persistent but we still dwarfed the shit out of them militarily. It's worth noting that the two cities that got nuked had the most Christians in the nation (let alone the fact that like most wars, the people are either ignorant of what's going on or mostly against it if they knew the truth).. So I'd say it's a phyric victory on a moral level, sure America was prosperous afterward but only because we fucked over Europe due to their economy getting raped via the war. And now we are ran by Jews so it doesn't even matter.

>inb4 moralfag, Christcuck, poltard, buzzword adhom
So many stupid faggots on this board will bitch and complain but will never present you a viable counter argument and will talk in circles, to those faggots please kys.

>>64085142
Post war mirale my ass. What the Japanese fail to tell you is that they already had a stockpile of all the stolen loot, they pillaged across the countries of Asia, in order to rebuild their economy after the war. But suuuuurrre believe their propaganda and say it's an economic miracle. Top Kek.

>>64085171
idk man what about the jap children that were burned alive, or the jap soldiers who killed Americans and still lived comfy lives after the war, who honestly cares. War bad.

>>64085211
The thing is that, other nations who did far less bad received alot more punishment compared to the mere slap on the arm the Japanese received.

>>64085211
There is a difference between getting burnt alive as collateral and getting dissected like you're some animal as others watch on and record your reactions.

>>64084609 (OP)
The only unfortunate thing is that we only dropped two.

>>64085274
>collateral
lol

>>64084609 (OP)

If it cut the war short by as little as two weeks, then it objectively saved lives judging by the average weekly death toll of WWII (approximately 160,000, calculating from 50 million over the course of six years, each 52 weeks long) and no amount of limp-wristed leftist crying can change this simple fact.

That said, for the sake of posterity, we probably should have dropped Little Boy on the Boso Pennisula (relatively unpopulated, but literally on Tokyo’s doorstep), preferably at night to maximize psychological impact, and then followed it up with a threat to use the next one on a city unless Japan capitulated. But that would have required expending a bomb when a grand total of two were available for immediate use and a third was still weeks away from completion, so it’s understandable why that wasn’t even considered as an option at the time.

>>64085340
What is a warning shot going to do? They'd just assume we didn't have the balls.
Should have just nuked Tokyo directly. Maybe drop the next on Kyoto. Fuck 'em.

>creates anime
>thus, through the glory of interpolation, 4Chan
>the issues society has had since its creation
Maybe not enough?

>>64084609 (OP)
I like to put it in anecdote form.
>In preparation for the invasion of Japan, the US Government minted so many Purple Hearts that it is STILL handing them out today.

>>64084609 (OP)
The Japanese got lucky that portable suns were invented.
>Operation Starvation II would have amped up the already ongoing attacks on shipping and trains, and likely included any form of civilian transportation between major Japanese cities.
>Also would have included herbicides and deflorants being used to destroy any agriculture, which was already suffering thanks to catastrophic flooding in 44' and 45'.

>Operation Downfall would have been started with a 2-week shelling operation of the landing beaches by destroyers and battleships.
>Chemical weapons were going to be used on pretty much every landing beach/city within 20 miles of said landing beaches. Estimates range from a million to five million civilian casualties.
>Firebombing campaign that would have seen every Japanese city/village turned into Dresden 2.

And of course had the war gone on, the northern islands would have become a communist rump state after the Soviets ran around raping and pillaging everything not bolted down.

>>64084650
Boomers are the most bloodthirsty generation in American history. The greatest gen fought for jews but at least they realized when thier enemy was beaten. If lead-brained boomers had their way every man woman and child in Japan and Germany would have been crucified.

>>64085075
All that shit you listed can be put exactly to the other Axis powers who had their leaders put to death. There have been plenty of emperors killed and replaced be shoguns since fucking Nobunaga Oda.

>>64084609 (OP)
I think it's regrettable that so many civilians were killed. There were alternatives, i.e. telling the Japanese high command we had this and demonstrating it by nuking some random island garrison or something. If that would've had the same effect, I have no idea, but neither the entire city of Hiroshima nor Nagasaki were legitimate military targets. I don't think it's some great sin we must atone for, they were far from innocent. Mutual forgiveness for what happened during the war is the best way forward.

>>64086754
>There were alternatives, i.e. telling the Japanese high command we had this and demonstrating it by nuking some random island garrison or something.
The alternative was telling the Japanese military junta that Truman had made a secret agreement with Stalin at the Potsdam Conference that the USSR would declare war on Japan exactly three months after Germany's surrender. Truman was aware that Japan was still trying to use the Russians as mediators to negotiate a surrender with the Americans that would have spared Hirohito's life and position as Emperor. Instead of warning Japan that there was a three-month countdown before they'd be fighting a war on two fronts, Truman took the Machiavellian angle of drawing out the war until August 1945, which of course needlessly cost many more American and Japanese lives. He did this so he could bide more time for Stalin's countdown to end and the Manhattan Project to wrap things up (i.e. the July 1945 Trinity test), because he didn't want the war to go down in history as being won by the commies. It would have been a major tactical and PR disaster if Japan still refused an unconditional surrender after the atomic bombs were dropped, so the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deliberately planned to coincide with the USSR's declaration of war. Even after the bombs were dropped, Japan was still unwilling to surrender until Truman finally gave a tacit guarantee that Emperor Hirohito would be let off the hook. Most people were not even aware of the true extent of Hiroshima and Nagasaki's destruction until years later due to the limitations of mass communications in the 40's anyway. Truman actually lied to the American public, and claimed Hiroshima was a "military base" in a speech shortly after. While there was a military base in Hiroshima, it was found on the outskirts, and avoided most of the shockwave since the crew of the Enola Gay dropped the bomb in the middle of the city. 90% of the casualties were civilians.

>>64084609 (OP)
Should have turned Manchuria into a sea of irradiated cobalt a few years later

>>64085049
Filipinos are savages. America used to be based

>>64086865
>The alternative was telling the Japanese military junta that Truman had made a secret agreement with Stalin at the Potsdam Conference that the USSR would declare war on Japan exactly three months after Germany's surrender.

The Japanese actually detected the buildup on the Manchuria border and suspected the Soviets were about to break the Non-Aggression Pact. Informing them that the Soviets were about to attack mitt not have actually made all that much of a difference.

>>64086865
>The alternative was telling the Japanese military junta that Truman had made a secret agreement with Stalin at the Potsdam Conference that the USSR would declare war on Japan exactly three months after Germany's surrender.

The Japanese actually detected the buildup on the Manchuria border and suspected the Soviets were about to break the Non-Aggression Pact. Confirming their suspicions may not have actually made all that much of a difference.

>>64084609 (OP)
The Emperor should have been hung after the reconstruction period and his heir gets the Throne.

>>64086560
>all cultures are the same
This is what lead to claps thinking they could westernise Afghanistan or stop elections in Vietnam and maintain popular support.

Let's talk about this conniving asshole. Could the Nationalists have won the civil war if not for all the bs he pulled?

>>64084632
What is up with the samefagging and nuke threads

>>64084609 (OP)
Sad. Call me all the name syou wnat, killing kids too young to even know what's being fought over deliberately is sad. It's a wreched condematiopn of us as a species that we do this and arrive at these end points. Yet we do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhlh7JVcTt8

>>64084609 (OP)
Makes me want some fried rice.

The nukes were a good start but we should have executed the emperor, abolished their religion, banned their language, made them a territory, and put down any insurgency with an iron fist. Instead we have this country that's nominally an ally but always working to our detriment.

I'm PROUD of the CLOUD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpY8q1XH3QI

>>64088308
Yes. Among many other things, the damage he did to the KMT's reputation in the eyes of the American public with his bitching to the press after he got recalled was incaculable. The consequent reduction of material support for China was one of the things that lost the Nationalists the civil war.

>>64084609 (OP)
This is still the one sentence spam bullshit that you've been doing for months, and somehow the mods still don't realize the obvious, and they still won't prevent all non-American IPs from posting.

>>64088852
The world would be a much better place if Stilwell just got some pussy

>>64085198
>shouldn't have entered the war
Japan attacked first you retard

>We ShOuLdA eXeCuTeD dUh EmPeRoR!
>not forcing Hirohito to commit Seppuku as countless thousands had been compelled to do in his name

Faggots, the lot of you.

>>64085198
>It's worth noting that the two cities that got nuked had the most Christians in the nation (let alone the fact that like most wars, the people are either ignorant of what's going on or mostly against it if they knew the truth).
Bull fucking shit.
Nagasaki, yes. But Hiroshima is and was not especially Christian. Kobe was far more Christian. And Nagasaki wasn't even the intended target.

>>64084609 (OP)
I'm glad that burger documentaries and news reports point out that Japan committed far worse warcrimes but Nip TV and Yuro channels only say nook bad.

All I'm saying is with have a 100% record of nuking countries and flipping them to allies. Can't be that bad

>>64089349
Hirohito isnt a warrior, he's a noble

Nobles dont seppuku or even get executed

>>64084609 (OP)
Should have blocked the Frankfurters from fleeing to Columbia University, shipped them to Moscow and wherever Mao was, and nuked them instead.
The war wasnt against fascosm, ot was against socialism. And America and Europe lost the cold war.
Patton was correct.

>>64089374
I never said they were a "Christian city" retard I said they had the most Christians in the nation, these aren't the same. And there isn't really any evidence to corroborate that Kobe had more Christians than Hiroshima, only speculation which isn't the point anyway. All because Nagasaki wasn't the intended target doesn't make the US government any less guilty of murder. I really doubt that America somehow didn't have the resources to piece together demographics on these cities and their relevance or counted the costs and potential risks of any potential target, Nagasaki included.

When Masons, Jews, and people who are basically Satanists run the government. I have no grace for them and their actions. Their intentions will always be evil.

All because we weren't formally involved doesn't mean we weren't involved in the war or that there wasn't work done to drag us into the war in the background. Japan was only their formal justification for optics reasons but the government wanted war since early on. (Because of money and Jews).

>>64089954
This is in reply to this >>64089339

>>64089950
They didn't have the most Christians in the nation either you utter fucking cretin. The fact that you don't know what Kobe is home to Japan's biggest churches goes to show how little you know.

>>64089950
>Christian city
I also never said this you fucking mongoloid.

Unfortunaly justified as it helped to ease tensions in the east which (thanks to the Japanese) were becoming increasingly mutual-genocidey. If the nukes didn't happen I have no doubt that the entire east would become israel/Palestine part 2 where each side just wants to kill the other side.

>>64087522
It doesn't change much, the Emperor never ordered the people to fight, and generally stays well the fuck out of almost everything to do with the people.
He's not really a king like figure in the traditional sense, more of a higher being that just exists among the people.
Even historically the emperor was only ever really there for any aspiring military leader to poke with a sword and go "tell them I'm in charge plz".

Japs killed 3000+ Americans in Pearl Harbor out of nowhere
Japs then bombed the Philippines and killed more Americans, then taking tens of thousands of American POWs and hundreds of thousands of US civilians hostage, mind you hundreds of thousands of white Americans excluding the 4+ million Philippine colonials

>>64085198
>Christcuck
The fact that you think anyone is going to call you that would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

>>64089650
>Nobles dont seppuku

Was one of the first documented cases not Minamoto no Yorimasa, who was an aristocrat?

>>64085121
the emperor needed to stay alive for there to be peace. some of his generals launched a coup to continue the war and almost succeeded.

>>64084609 (OP)
Unironically the right call, better than letting the Ruskis get a toehold in Japan.

Also a long term good because it taught us how scary atom bombs were in practice when they were in their weakest and most primitive form.

>>64088802
>jap exchange student is proud of the cloud too
TOTAL CULTURAL VICTORY

>>64084609 (OP)
Nuke was necessary. Better than killing 5.000.000 aoldiers from both sides in the long run, face-to-face. Strategically speaking, was correct.

But nuking 2 civilian cities, was unnecessary and absolute evil. They should have fucked big military branchs - the message would have been received anyway and less dramatic. Morally speaking, was ubber wrong.

Basically this.

>>64090782
>They should have fucked big military branchs - the message would have been received anyway and less dramatic. Morally speaking, was ubber wrong.

The problem with that was that the Japanese population was mobilized for total war, meaning that the civilians, the military, and even the slave laborers, were increasingly melded together. Finding a purely military target, especially one that was worth expending an atomic bomb on, was increasingly difficult.

>>64086754
When you commit to total war, your civilians become legitimate military targets.

>>64084609 (OP)
we should've lobbed a third at stalin

>>64084609 (OP)
Should've used 'em on Moscow

>>64084677
>Korea was a victory.
How many burgers have you ingested anally today?

>>64089954
That is nice son, still doesn't change the fact Japan unjustly attacked America first.

>>64085211
Why didn't those civilians leave when America dropped leaflets telling them if they stayed in the city they would die?

>>64091678
Does South Korea not exist? Is it not a myriad more times better than the North?

>>64085171
>whataboutism
Lmao

>>64084632
>>64084643
>hurr i believe retarded chink propaganda about japs playing baseball with babies

i bet you believe in the electric rollercauster too.
kill yourself kike brained retard

>>64091788
So you are saying Japan never killed innocent civilians or murdered POWs? Never in any time of the 2nd world war?

>>64091788
Who let this stormfag subhuman in here? Someone take it's scalp and feed it's flabby corpse to the swine.

>>64086550
>boomers
>bloodthirsty
Ironic considering how far they went to dodge the draft.

>>64084609 (OP)
2 wasn't enough and anime was a mistake

I think it was entirely necessary just because of how far up their own ass Japan's leadership was. I would prefer it didn't happen just as I would have preferred strategic firebomber to not happen. But we don't live in a perfect world where everyone is reasonable and willing to end a conflict with a handshake. I would like to visit one of the memorials to the atomic bombings one day, as a way to cap off a grand autistic World War 2 history tour.

>>64088689
shalom

>>64084609 (OP)
considering the alternative was a land invasion that killed a lot more people and very likely being split up like Korea between commie and non commie states I'd say 2 nukes was VASTLY preferable as an option

>>64084609 (OP)
The idea that there was only an either-or choice available (nukes vs invasion) is a modern day revisionist idea
back then there was no such idea, such a decision did not weigh in the minds of the planners who were there at the time

>>64084609 (OP)
still makes me all tingly inside

>>64084609 (OP)
>80 years later, how do we feel about it?
The amount of advancement within a short time period is insane to think about it. Hell we when from single shot black power rifles to bombs that can level entire city blocks in the span of less than 100 years, Aviation and cars are this too. The only thing I can think that came this close is the Mercury to Apollo Moon missions.

>>64084609 (OP)
Two nukes wasn't enough.

to this day I still don't understand the point. the understanding goes something like this:
1. later in the war, japan was willing to admit defeat and accept conditional surrender where they keep the emperor
2. US repeatedly stresses that they want complete, unconditional surrender from Japan, with no guarantees of keeping the emperor
3. negotiations keep failing because of this
4. US proceeds with blockade + strategic bombing campaign + 2 nukes
5. US offers conditional surrender where Japan keep the emperor
6. japan accepts, ww2 in the pacific officially ends

Why didn't the US just offer conditional surrender and skip steps 2 through 4 entirely?

>>64084632
I think MacArthur is a mediocre general turned into a shit one because of his bloated ego, but his handling of Japan's reconstruction was phenomenal. He turned Japan into a friendly nation that functioned as strategic base for American interests in the far east, and made Japan into a functioning and stable democracy. Petty fucks like you are why people can't into nation building.

Anime was created because we nuked them twice.

>>64084609 (OP)

>>64092277
>Peace on Japan's terms
they may be defeated, but they maintain some dignity, and possibly some level of defiance, meaning the potential for this bullshit to come back in the future.

>Peace on America's terms
they are completely defeated, totally fucking buck broken, utterly pacified, any allowances by the Americans are seen as merciful and generous, reducing the chances of unrest or the return of the militant-imperialist ideology that started this garbage in the first place.

Doesn't matter if the terms are actually the same, the message, perception, and results are different.

>>64084609 (OP)
Could have been bigger. Bugs should be grateful we didn't give them what they deserved and saturate every single one of their cities in nuclear hellfire. The American populace would have 110% supported that strategy.

>>64092324
That's current hindsight doing a lot of the speaking in your post.
None of the diplomats nor key players involved at the time used that as a justification whatsoever.

It's also inherently wrong reasoning, America DID in fact let Japan maintain some dignity and level of defiance, meaning the potential for this bullshit to come back in the future is entirely possible.
They hanged a few token figures but largely kept the pre-war Imperial Japanese leadership completely intact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Course
>As part of the Reverse Course, thousands of conservative and nationalist wartime leaders were de-purged and allowed to reenter politics and government ministries
Which leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi and more recently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanseit%C5%8D

>>64092277

The Japanese also kept demanding the right to keep at least some of their conquered territories, exemption from war crimes trials, that there be no occupation of the Home Islands, and not disarm. If the US had accepted these terms, not only would Truman have been politically crucified for being seen as caving in to Japanese demands (causing the New Deal coalition to implode 20 years earlier than it actually did and basically hand the country to the Republicans for the next few decades), but Japan itself would have essentially remained an unrepentant and unreconstructed militarist power, which had caused the war in the first place.

This would have made the Cold War in Asia even worse than it already was because of having Japan as a democratic Western-aligned bulwark against China and the USSR, you have a highly unstable Japan still ruled by a de facto military junta that may potentially swing in the Soviets' favor if Moscow proves more willing to acquiesce to their demand to keep enslaving Koreans.

>>64092277

The Japanese also kept demanding the right to keep at least some of their conquered territories, exemption from war crimes trials, that there be no occupation of the Home Islands, and not disarm. If the US had accepted these terms, not only would Truman have been politically crucified for being seen as caving in to Japanese demands (causing the New Deal coalition to implode 20 years earlier than it actually did and basically hand the country to the Republicans for the next few decades), but Japan itself would have essentially remained an unrepentant and unreconstructed militarist power, which had caused the war in the first place.

This would have made the Cold War in Asia even worse than it already was because instead of a Japan that's a prosperous democratic Western-aligned bulwark against China and the USSR, you have a highly unstable Japan still ruled by a de facto military junta that may potentially swing in the Soviets' favor if Moscow proves more willing to acquiesce to their demand to keep enslaving Koreans.

>>64092362
>As part of the Reverse Course, thousands of conservative and nationalist wartime leaders were de-purged and allowed to reenter politics and government ministries

They may have been let off the hook but they were also completely politically neutered in the process as ex-Nazis were. No more screaming for bloody race war against the Occidentals. No more beheading dissidents for wrongthink. No more anti-Korean pogroms. And no more coups.

>Which leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi and more recently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanseit%C5%8D

Let's be honest, these parties are fringe lunatics in Japanese politics that will never gain any significant traction short of a total collapse of the current geopolitical order.

>>64092119
Except that's ass-backwards because Jews were the ones who wanted to go easy on Japan.

Is it weird to believe destroying Hiroshima was justifiable but Nagasaki was not? 72 hours doesn't really seem long enough to let them realistically consider their surrender options. We could've at least given them a week to think about it before launching another attack.

>>64093288
They didn't have surrender options. It was unconditional surrender or nothing. 72 hours was more than enough. They thought we were bluffing, and they thought wrong.

>>64093311

Perhaps I used the wrong wording, 72 hours was nowhere near enough time to actually organize a surrender, especially considering that the IJA literally tried to overthrow Hirohito when they first found out about it.

>>64093288
>We could've at least given them a week to think about it before launching another attack.

The Soviets would have controlled Asia the longer the war goes on.

>>64093132
> The Japanese also kept demanding the right to keep at least some of their conquered territories, exemption from war crimes trials, that there be no occupation of the Home Islands, and not disarm.

> Were these terms ever raised with U.S. leaders before the end of the war?
> No. The same source emphasizes that such terms were not presented during negotiations prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They emerged too late to influence Allied policy

>>64092277
> Why didn't the US just offer conditional surrender and skip steps 2 through 4 entirely?
why didn't they nuke the japanese fleet and instead sent hundreds of US pilots out to die a needless death just days prior to the atomic bombing
similar answer

>>64093288
Also, millions of slaves and POWs were still being held by the Japanese since they launched their war in the 1930s.

Imagine if you were in their shoes desperately waiting for freedom? They could have chopped your head off at any second. The war had to end now.

>>64090870
> was increasingly difficult.
look up Attacks on Kure, Seto Inland Sea and Yokosuka

>>64093363
> millions of slaves and POWs
may I see them?

>how do we feel about it?
it was a warcrime

> https://youtu.be/fORzFgLznU4

>>64093380
Suck on it Yoshi
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

>>64093393
> MILLIONS of slaves AND Pows
> # of "slaves" 1.000.000+
> # of POWs about three-fiddy
whoa

also since you listed the Burma-Thailand railroad you might want to look up the Ledo Road

>>64084609 (OP)
touche meh pepy every time I watch the footage

>>64090690
They would also be dust retard

>>64085266
I think you're still counting shit between them and china and chinese aren't people so actually they are probably better than germany.

>>64084609 (OP)
Nukes are awesome.

>>64084650
>collective punishment is wrong.
No it's not. Everyone is responsible for what their country does.

>>64085198
Jews are the high dollar office niggers. They still serve the true power; anyone of any race or gender with more money. Secret world controlling power is super democratic in fact, after all it's what the people invest in every day. And it does not care what or who you are. And the personel turnover is crazy high.

>>64088308

>>64093646
> No it's not. Everyone is responsible for what their country does.

>>64093705
Yes, we bore responbility for that. We voted for politicians that created the issues in the middle east that led to Bin Laden's terror.
It's still a tragedy either way, but I maintain everyone is responsible for what their country does.

>>64093709
i mean at least you are consistent

still think you are kinda retarded doughbit
like what fault of mine is it when retarded boomers decide to vote for X because
> thats what I always did

" da will of da people " is a meme

>>64093721
Well what's your alternative? It sounds nice to say we should never be harmed for something we didn't do ourselves, but where does your tolerance for collateral damage start and end?
like, if I know somebody is drunk, but I help him find his keys and hand them over to him, and then he uses them to drive home and ends up killing someone, I would say I bear responsibility for enabling him. Even if the drinking and driving was his own choice.

>>64093721
Should have voted and lobbied then. Sorry you are lazy.

>>64084609 (OP)
It wasn't the most based thing ever, but it was pretty fucking based. Could say the same about Curtis LeMay.
Feels good being (half-)Japanese so I'm allowed to say that. This is like the Japanese equivalent of the N-word pass.

>>64093737
> but where does your tolerance for collateral damage start and end
idk but deliberately nuking / targeting civilian centers certainly is above that line

>>64093745
> if you haven’t successfully out-lobbied another century-old lobby that receives hundreds of billions in funding per year by the age of 18 you’re lazy.
yea whatever unc

>>64093755
>Feels good being (half-)Japanese so I'm allowed to say that.

Which side of the family?

>>64093859
Nigga you know which side. Quit playing.

>>64093705

bruh even Jerry Falwell basically dropped a low-key redpill on live TV saying America brought 9/11 on itself, granted he blamed the ACLU, the Federal government, pro-choice supporter, and feminists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I

>>64093869

Mom?

>>64090089
Nigga this is retarded logic. Home to the biggest churches =/= having the most Christians, this is like saying "because First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana used to be one of THEE biggest churches if not the biggest in America in its hayday, Indiana had the most Christians in America at one point. There is not enough evidence to claim let alone really any reliable numbers to corroborate said claim that Kobe had more Christians than Hiroshima. And it doesn't change the fact that they still killed a bunch of civies in cold blood. It would have been better to slowly breakdown their combatants and win anyway than to kill innocent people who had no sway over the war. For you to die on a hill with little verifiable information to back up your claim is stupid.

>>64090091
The implication when you said
>Nagasaki, yes. But Hiroshima is and was not especially Christian.
With no clarification otherwise meant you had issue with me claiming it was a Christian city. No shit they aren't Christian because they aren't the majority. That doesn't mean they didn't have a considerable population of Christians. Learn to proof read.

>>64090870
Then it would have been better morally to kill combatants in conventional war than to potentially hurt civies. It would be ultimately Japan's fault for sending people to the meat grinder at that point.

>>64093998
>>64094011
Hiroshima does not and did not have a substantial Christian population relative to other major cities. Your "DEY WERE KILING DA CHRISTIANS" idea is quite simply stupid. Again, if they wanted to merk Christians, why did they pick a smaller city with a small Christian population? Makes no fucking sense.

>>64094046
Well considering both cities didn't have much of a tactical advantage to Japan outside of some industry you tell me? Why did they? Did it ever occur to you that history is written by the victors and that the government, from politicians to high brass, has different motives than what they claim? And again you keep making that claim but information "proving" Kobe actually had more Christians than Hiroshima is scared and unreliable. It's also worth noting that MacArthur was a brutal warmonger and wanted to continue the use of nukes well after the second world war. This coupled with the fact that (especially in the modern day) most military and law enforcement is literally ran by freemason's (which is basically Judaism for goyim) and Mormons shows the decisions of the people in power do NOT have America's interest in mind, hence why America is constantly in conflicts.

>>64094089
Scarce* sorry typo

>>64093760
So what isn't above the line?

>>64093770
>unironically using unc on 4chan
Zippy zippy zoom zoom how is high school going kid

>>64094089
Hiroshima had Army headquarters and a full battalion of troops stationed in it. Why didn't the civilians leave after America dropped the leaflets warning them of the big bomb coming?

>>64094186
targeting military infrastructure or stuff like Warships while trying to keep civilian casulties as low as possible

>>64094189
pretty good
hows retirement home?

>>64093709
Yes of course the infants, disabled and the women of course are well known rational agents in the collective hive mind that everybody explicitly agreed to and somehow are inherently indebted to bar the redeeming by a cult of gnostic pedophiles
and so everybody should be punished because FDR, tojo and their acolytes were IRL Saturday morning cartoon villains who unironically wanted world domination to fill it with niggers and ricecels respectively

>>64094192
> they had troops stationed in them
>>64093386

> Why didn't the civilians leave after America dropped the leaflets warning them of the big bomb coming

> https://youtu.be/ZMW0Uyza7oo?t=264
> > neither Hiroshima Nagasaki nor kakura are listed
yes
why didn't they?

>>64093737
Ideally, Private military firms under universal Justice.
Any military that does collateral should pay their reperations in full under a just court. you would essentially obsolete nukes due to cost ineffectiveness
Hoppe speaks of this but that's too
>/pol/
Collective punishment is evil and retarded, the only place where it "works" is because the admin is incapable of actually carrying out justice

>>64094226
You're just arguing in bad faith.
The citizens who fostered and aided fascism and genocide across Asia are guilty for their deaths. Not to mention that your idea is basically to reward enemies for using human shields.
At least the Brits had the sense to send their children out of the cities rather than keep them by munitions factories and cry when they got killed.

>>64094249
> dead ukrainian children?
> they are just using them for PR; zelensky should have sent them out of the country
> also its really their parents fault for not figthing as pro-russian partisans

>>64094263
Ukrainians evacuated their children retard.

>>64094263
>Japan is morally equivalent to Ukraine
You might actually be braindead.

>>64094354
> Ukrainians evacuated their children retard.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce930z8g9mvo

>>64094369
> everyone is responsible for what their country does.
> NOT UKRAINIANS doughbeit

>>64094404
Ukrainians are responsible for what their country does.
They're responsible for a principled defense of their nation against foreign invaders.
You proved my point perfectly. Thanks anon :)

We have anime. We live in the best timeline

>>64084609 (OP)
Pretty good. I think it would have been better for Japan if there had been 20 or 30 bombs to eradicate the uwu genes from their populace, but all in all it was a good experience for everyone involved.

>>64094424
> You proved my point perfectly. Thanks anon :)
so using children as human shields is ok when you are on
> le principled defense
sounds a bit fucked up ngl

they should have just fought a normal war, show that they were using civilians as their last line of dense, and that they had to be stopped once and for all.

>>64094196
And how do you do that with how technology of the time limited precision strikes?

>>64094237
Yes why didn't they? I always hear it was illegal to pick up enemy leaflets. Well they shouldn't have been bootlickers

>>64094776
anon ... this leaflet is from after Hiorshima and it is very likely that those leaflets didn't get dropped on Nagasaki until after the bombing

>>64094763
> aaah I only have Radar, a Bomb-sight that costs as much as a car and uncontested air supremacy there is NO WAY to keep civlians casulties low I HAVE TO DROP A NUKE IN THE URBAN AREA (and not into the industrial zone)

>>64084632
>Pardons the unit 731 psychos
>Imprisons tokyo rose for 2 decades
It's not just the emperor. McArthur let a lot of Mengeles walk free.

>>64084609 (OP)
>10 gorillion japanese movies inspired by the nukes
>not a one inspired about their destruction of asia

>>64094830
Anon, leaflets have been dropped months prior to the bombings. Sure they didn't outright say an atomic bomb was coming, but if you lived in a major city you knew you were going to get bombed. Hell the last time Hiroshima got leaflets was July

>>64095444
>Anon, leaflets have been dropped months prior to the bombings.
Do you not see the issue?
They drop the leaflets. You move out. Then for weeks and months, nothing. You're starving. You're away from home. What do you do? And there's yet to be any nuclear bomb dropped on your or dozens of other cities named in the leaflets. What's do do you do?

>>64095461
Not go back to the city and protest my government that continued fighting is stupid

>>64095469
So you choose to starve to death and/or get shot for treachery. Fair play I suppose but it's death either way.

Japan is still 99% Japanese with a high standard of living(there are flaws obviously)while mutted U.S.A.(young whites already minority)and WASPs have surrendered to Jews. Trump and Biden entire family are married to Jews, for example.(no joke, look it up).

So who’s laughing now….

>>64090405
>>64089339

>they don't know that the U.S. government knew the Japs were coming and they even moved their aircraft carriers away from the base

>>64094249
>be a wagie who doesn't care or pay attention to politics because you're just trying to survive off of bowls of rice
>be a woman who can't even vote
>RESPONSIBLE

you're retarded.

>all political ideologies have bodycounts
>this one that I'm convinced is scarier than others (I am gay) is so beyond the pale that the citizenry deserve immolation

you're also a fag

>>64084632
This. The bombs were based. Japan started that shit. McArthur didn’t lose Korea but he did everything possible to do so. The Battle of Manila was entirely unnecessary as well.

>>64094249
No, it's to disassociate from them. I made no argument for them being good people, i just said that they are innocent of Tojo or FDR's guilt if they were forced to obedience and merely exist. Notice how i said their acolytes were guilty alongside the villains, they weren't forced to abide by tojo or FDR, They did so by choice.

>>64096246
>America moved their navy...to an American base
That still doesn't negate the fact JAPAN ATTACKED FIRST you utter retard.

>>64096304
OK Truman, land 40.000 troops behind enemy lines at Incheon and drive the enmy to the Yalu in one fell swoop.
Oh wait you can't, the buttplug, personally signed by daddy FDR wants you to continue his retarded policies so you force china to its doom, orgasming at every defection to commies.
And then you come back to bitch to the Gaijin Shogun about how you won't allow him to properly fight your communist china since the inserted FDR behind you wouldn't like that
Fucking slut

>ywn see the Mighty Mo unleashing a full broadside of 16-inch 20 kiloton nuclear shells on the Japs

>>64093288
The losing side does not get to dictate or maneuver terms.

Their politicians want to surrender but their military wants to fight to the end, their false Emperor is spineless who only capitulated when the first nuke was dropped.

After Okinawa/Iwo Jima he should have taken control and negotiated a surrender.

>>64096765
>After Okinawa/Iwo Jima he should have taken control and negotiated a surrender.

I mean, the military literally tried to coup him after Nagasaki and the Soviets had invaded Manchuria when virtually all hope for a negotiated settlement had already evaporated. They would have no doubt chimped out even harder if he had tried doing it earlier.

>>64095649
Didn't /pol/ also say Jews wouldn't debase themselves by marrying gentiles? You people can't even stay consistent.

>>64088852
Why the fuck should Americans care what happens half the planet away? Exactly the country's problem now.

>>64084609 (OP)
My grand dad saw Bataan and Corregidor, then became a guerilla a couple years later. Yeah, it was a good thing.

>>64094546
>you have to depopulate your whole country to stop the ontologically evil invader from intentionally striking obviously civilian targets with no strategic benefit otherwise its your fault
No wonder you use basedjaks,you’re retarded

>>64084631
Based.

>>64084621
you should be drawn and quartered

>>64084609 (OP)
it was unfathomably based and anyone who says otherwise is an Oriental in fact or in spirit, and should be interned

>>64098614
They couped because he was indecisive and weak, if he were a real Emprah he would have asked his warhawks to commit sudoku for the benefit of Japan.

>>64084609 (OP)
Its the reason why we have anime in the form its existed in. Cat girls, robo maids, etc, thank radiation for that. Japs got rocked so hard they went into full denial and still haven't even begun to breach the idea that maybe they should own up to the shit they did to China and the Philippines.

>>64084609 (OP)
Shouldn't've stopped at 2. Those Islands should've been reduced to Korea's and China's night light after the shit they pulled
>waah muh civilianz
Alls fair and don't you fucking pretend that if the shoe was on the other foot the japs would've spared a moment's thought for all the American civilians they'd vaporize. The japs should be grateful we didn't turn their fuckass rock into another place to manifest our destiny, instead they still keep crying about muh nooks. For all the shit I can say to the Algerians at least they're not such massive pussies about getting nuked by the frogs

>>64084609 (OP)
If by now one still hasn't realized that siding with China (giant sprawling continental power with huge population, land, resources and cultural spread) against Japan (confined to a few small islands if left without its colonies with 1/10th of the population and resouces of China, forced to use sea routes to connect to its holdings) was a good idea, then one must be a chink, other assorted subhuman, or has below 80 IQ. In all these cases one must be eliminated in order for Civilization to survive and thrive.
All you had to do was to sell us some oil, and there would've been a balance of power in East Asia.
Instead you created your own worst enemy while niggers run amok on your streets

>>64091802
>every single one
That's a fallacy, but no, most of the "people" IJA killed weren't innocent.

>>64102001
>Japan was a good boy who dindu nuffin
>China was a superpower in the 1940s worth worrying about
>had we just let the japs do as they please they would've just left us alone and everything would be cupcakes and unicorns
Get fucked, gook. Play the nigger card all you want, you were acting like niggers in the 40s so we treated you like niggers. Moralize however much you want how we should've just let you and Germany have your way, doesn't change the fact you were a problem and more importantly you touched our fucking boats

>>64102001
China's not really a problem for us. The moment we stop protecting you, the issue is finished. And they will eat you alive. Enjoy your karma.

>>64093869
>useless hapa mutt who inherented its asian mom's useless X chromosome
Kys elliot roger
Only good hapas are the ones with caucasian X chromosomes

>>64102011
>we
支那贱畜操你妈
你妈大屄被狗插
左插插啊右插插
插的你妈屄开花

>>64101558
Yes, they tried to raise the chinks up and to bring them in as junior partners into the gay ass co-prosperity sphere when they should've just treated them like the belligerent local fauna that they are, and killed them all, like Mao did later

>>64102020
Yeah, we. The United States.
The moment we magnanimously stop protecting Japan, they will have to bend the knee to China or other get a taste of what they dished out across Asia and to our POWs.

>>64102009
Grats on winning the war.
Enjoy your niggerfied country and chinkland becoming your greatest enemy.

>>64102031
You're a chink, not American

>>64102009
>the Japs should just be confined to their islands while the glorious chinese nation inevitably eclipses us! We must support our future Han overlords and embargo those islanders! How dare they defy their fate?

>>64102037
I'm not. And you know what... Let's say if I was?
It wouldn't change the truth of what I am saying. You owe your existence to America, so play nice and do as you're told, okay?

>>64102044
>we should've just sat on our hands as the japs played landgrab on our territory in the Pacific and, more importantly, blew up our goddamned boats
This has nothing to do with the chinks, I thought japs weren't retarded but clearly you don't comprehend cause and effect

>>64102031
Lmao, an unleashed Japan will run circles around China. China has never won a war against Japan, ever, throughout history.
>muh Imjun
Koreans won that one and it was a defensive war for Korea
The only thing Japan has to worry about is the hundreds of thousands of chink parasites within Japan itself

>>64102061
Are you 12 and unaware of history? the US was helping the chinks big time way before Pearl Harbor.
Pearl Harbor and Pacific War could've been entirely avoided if FDR and friends didn't love chinkland so much and simply engaged in normal trade with Japan.

>>64102060
You are a chink and you are a subhuman. Kill yourself before Civilization wipes you out righteously.

>>64102060
No. Japan owes its existence to its willingness to fight to the end.
An invasion of the Home Islands would've costed far more Japanese lives, correct? The Japanese nation could've been wiped out.
So why did the US choose to use the bombs insread? Because they knew that the Japanese would never surrender otherwise, and an invasion would also cost many more American lives.
So the US was forced to choose the bombs due to high Japanese potential for resistance. This happens to be the option that saved far more Japanese lives.
Japan exist because of the Japanese.

>>64102140
What you're saying makes no sense.
If they would have fought until they were wiped out, why did they surrender to a bomb? Obviously they did fear death or they wouldnt have surrendered.
What you're saying is "They would have let us wipe them out. But then we threatened to wipe them out so they capitulated.
We could easily have hanged their emperor, tore down their shrines, forbid Japanese education, kept them under permanent occupation and used then for cheap labor, but we didn't because we are more kind and forgiving than that. We instead let them keep some pride and even rebuilt their nation for them. Gratitude is in order.

>>64102166
>We could easily have hanged their emperor, tore down their shrines, forbid Japanese education, kept them under permanent occupation and used then for cheap labor, but we didn't because we are more kind and forgiving than that.
Not easily at all. To do that the US needed to perform an actual invasion, which they did not do due to the cost in American casualties.
The US did not allow Japan to have these things out of altruism, but because the alternative would've been a decade long attritional war unacceptable to the US general population.

>>64102176
>To do that the US needed to perform an actual invasion, which they did not do due to the cost in American casualties
No? We could have done all of that after their surrender.

>>64102166
If Americans had said "we will kill your Emperor, destroy your culture and language, and use you for slave labor", do you think the Japanese would've still come aboard the Missouri? No, they would've relayed those demands to the Japanese population and every kid would've had two ceramic grenades and a sharpened bamboo stick

>>64102187
After the surrender, obviously. They didn't know we weren't going to do that at the surrender anyway. The population thought they were going to live the rest of their lives as slaves and ended up pleasantly surprised.

>>64102184
Are you saying the US could've gone back on their words? It doesn't work, you need about 100x the occupational force to enforce what you're saying. The Japanese still a million regular troops. A simple trick isn't going to change the balance of power much if at all. You'd still have to do the grueling invasion

>>64102193
>Are you saying the US could've gone back on their words?
It was an unconditional surrender. At the time of the surrender, they had no idea what would happen next. There was no "going back" on any word, regardless of what happened.

>>64102190
You have an incorrect understanding

>>64102204

>>64102217
Alright, no slavery. I never suggested extermination was on the table anyway. But we could have easily destroyed their state religion, replaced all their schooling with English-medium instruction with a curriculum built in Washington, left their shattered cities as piles of rubble, granted only the bare minimum food aid, and executed the entire brass, but we didn't, becaude we don't stoop to their level.

>>64088308
The KMT isn't any better than the CCP. They are both chinks and will eventually challange American global dominance.
Currently the KMT on Taiwan is the pro-China faction, because they hold on to the Chinese identity and welcome the Chinese appropriation of the island.
The pro-Taiwan, anti-China faction focuses on Taiwanese identity. Those are the enemies of the KMT.

>>64102233
> becaude we don't stoop to their level.
What level? It's amazing that white liberals (assuming you are one) still don't learn their lessons after a hundred times with the truths staring them in their face. I don't understand how it's possible.

>>64084609 (OP)
Thanks for anime, A-sama.

>>64102263
What lesson am I meant to be learning? They're better off post-war than they were pre-war and you're denying reality if you say otherwise.

>>64102244
>The pro-Taiwan, anti-China faction focuses on Taiwanese identity.
>Taiwanese identity
No such thing. They're just gigaweebs.

>>64102275
Have you noticed that you've created your two worst enemies by your choices before WW2 due to your dogmatic adherence to the ideals of Enlightenment and liberal internationalism? That more than half of the entire Western world sided with bolsheviks and chinks against the Civilizational forces of Europe and Japan?

>>64102284
You can have Canadian identity while still being part of the British Empire.

>>64102284
Japan was good to Taiwan. In fact it was good to all the places they've held for a while, like Korea and Manchuria. They really believed in Pan-Asianism and raising up other Asians, the naive fools.
Most other Asians do not deserve to be raised up, only ruled over.

>>64102275
>They're better off post-war than they were pre-war
I hardly think so:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1b5tGzzE1s/

>>64102314
What the fuck am I supposed to understand from this? Some Chinese thing about some Japanese marrying off their daughter? Yeah, sounds like they're better off rather than being sold as chattel.

>>64102325
Traditional gender roles, traditional romance and marriage. You're fucking hopeless.

>>64102331
The title says she's being sold for 10 dollars.
It's also fiction about the upper class. Most Japanese lived in grinding poverty until we liberated them.

>>64102335
十元 (ten yen) is the nickname of the actress, 石原里美 Ishihara Satomi. 十元 is a pun.
It's not fiction, it's Saka no ue no Kumo, a historical documentary. These people existed in history.
Poverty is relative. You can be "poor" and happy and fulfilled, with loving wife(s) and children, and you can be "well off" and want to kill yourself.

>>64102345
In the early 1900s, suicide rates hovered around 18 per 100,000
In the Interwar period, Japanese suicide rates were about 20 per 100,000, peaking at 25 per 100,000.
Now they're around 17 per 100,000. Your argument is a false dichotomy.

>>64102335
Selling your wife was a thing
https://youtu.be/3HoOhLNAZ94
I don't doubt it is still a thing in some places.

>>64102362
This very low level IJA officer isn't from the aristocracy. He's lower middle class like most Japanese salarymen, and you cannot deny that he's much happier

>>64084632
>should have tried and executed hirohito
considering how little the japanese at the time seemed to value human life i personally think that keeping him alive and forcing him to publicly renounce his divinity was way more demeaning and therefore way more based
>why destroy a man when you can destroy an entire religion

>>64084609 (OP)
It was great. The alternative was worse and it ended the jap troubles that were brewing since Teddy.

>>64102232
>>64102217
>relying on AI
Lmao

>>64088802
This is 2019? Those zoomers look exactly like the kids I went to high school with in the 90s. That place must be stuck in some kind of magical time warp.

>>64095461
>Then for weeks and months, nothing
No you see your city get destroyed and say "oh thank goodness I left the city"

>>64102376
>Circumstantial evidence.
And a vast majority of Japanese today are happier than back then since they have computers and the internet.

>>64103803
You're delusional or gay if you think computers and internet are proper replacement for easy access to obedient submissive pussy for an average man.

>>64103693
That guy that was at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The US missed him both times with fricking nukes.

>>64103837
Yes and? America didn't bomb cities to intentionally kill civilians.

>>64084609 (OP)
First we will turn Shina into a big, beautiful ocean.
Then we can discuss on how to rectify past wrongs. I propose a tribute of females from the US. Ten US females for every Japanese female killed in the atomic bombings, we're adjusting for inflation.
The US females must be under 16 yo , thin, healthy, and white. No hags, no fatties, no nigs. It is only a replacement for the wombs that were destroyed.

>>64103846
Yeah, they bombed cities to see what the effect was.
Mass murdering fuckheads that would go on to experiment on their own population well into the seventies.

>>64103872
I think America knew how fire effected wooden cities.

On the one hand, I wish we would have used the bat bombs instead so bugmen would seethe about bats instead of atoms for the next 80 years.
On the other, the A bomb saved the lives of lots of bats. So it's kind of a wash.

>>64102007
Pretty sure Massacring Manila out of a hissfit is just one example that proves you wrong.

>>64104208
He said IJA. It was the IJN that did the massacre of Manila.

>>64103837
I'll admit it, we failed and lost WWII. It was all just to kill that asshole in particular but we failed and covered up the truth for decades

>>64103693
They told dozens of cities they would be destroyed that weren't destroyed, retard.

>>64105494
So you would gamble with your life like that? Your enemy tells you they will bomb you and you just think? Nah I'll be fine. That is just on you.

>>64106299
Okay, somebody drops a leaflet, you leave the city and starve in the mountains.
You return, the city is still standing.
They drop another leaflet warning the same.
Do you go back to the mountains and starve again, possibly dying this time due to starvation. Also you lost your job during your little mountain jaunt.

>>64106305
I go to the ocean and fish away from any major city

>>64106312
Good luck feeding yourself without a boat that can reach the ocean. The littoral areas were and are massively overfished.

>>64106316
Better than starving in the mountains or dying in a firebombing

>>64106319
More died of starvation than bombings, dummy.

>>64106326
Not an own you think it is, every war ever besides ones in modern times have casualties from war always less than starvation and disease.

>>64104208
This is the only effective tactic against local insurgents that melt into the populace. Japan was able to effectively pacify Taiwan, Manchuria, eastern China with the same tactics, all within a couple of years. I'd thought you'd learnt that after years of trying to win "hearts and minds" and pussyfooting around in Afghanistan and Iraq, but as I noted earlier, libs never learn.

>>64105423
>ha stupid American that service branch didn't slaughter civilians, it was the other one
Hakim-tier "Tiananmen Square didn't happen because the shooting happened somewhere else" cope

The anime counteroffensive was worse than we could have possibly imagined.

>>64093869
Do you fap to wmaf?

>>64106488
>rampant massacres are actually good. Why yes I am justified in murdering 1000 innocent civilians to get to 1 insurgent.
No they aren't dumb fuck

>>64093288
The second bomb coming so close to the first was part of what made it all work; after the first, the leadership convinced themselves that it was a one-off, and their scientists (correctly!) determined that the US would only be able to enrich enough Uranium for 1-2 bombs a year.

Fat Man upended everything. Suddenly, all the claims that there were "hundreds" of bombs ready to go seemed actually plausible, and that was a mortal threat to the dynasty.

>>64107023
That isn't the ratio. Japan killed over 100,000 guerillas during the first years of Manchukuo. If your ratio was correct there would be no one left alive in Manchuria.

>>64094189
Zoomers are almost thirty, retard

>>64102244

This, bugmen gonna bug

>>64084609 (OP)
terrible but probably necessary

i mean shit, an invasion wouldve killed far more civilians and japan had given the order to kill every allied POW they had if they were ever invaded

>>64084609 (OP)
it helped to render war suboptimal
only the dumbest gorillas (amerifats, frogs, ziggers, negros, serbs, etc) fight wars since then
and that is mainly a good thing

>>64107832

I thought it was them capturing some pilot and him spouting a bunch of nonsense to avoid being executed that led them to think the Americans had hundreds of nukes

>>64084609 (OP)

Based Christchads purging demon worshippers.