Is this accurate?:

First rate army flex is looking retarded in peace time and then being competent in war time. Third rate army flex is looking competent in peace time and retarded in war time. Second rate armies tend to either just be one of the two. Retarded or competent.

>>64085091 (OP)
It's a sign of a good military but if the political goals aren't achieved it's also a sign of incompetent governments.

>>64085095
The US Military is the absolute king of "I Was Only Pretending to be Retarded". Every few years like clockwork, yuros convince themselves that America isn't actually that powerful and then we surgically strike into Iran and obliterate multiple facilities that were off the books. The deliberate misinformation about American military capability is probably the nation's actual greatest weapon. It's likely the biggest reason why multiple rival nations don't overreach their ambitions. The question of what America is holding back is too mired in fog of war to challenge.

>>64085111
I think most people that look at US procurement problems and think it makes them weak are thridies that see their governments make mistakes and never fix them. They don't understand that problems found with the F-35 a decade ago have been solved years ago.

>>64085091 (OP)
a first rate flex would be punching above your weight class, not roflpwning weaker adversaries with overwhelming numerical superiority

>>64085111
"When strong, appear weak. When weak, appear strong."

>>64085111
I don't know how much of this post is true but it's hilarious either way.

thirdies wouldn't understand

>>64085124
the US is also extremely open about its defense budget, policy, plans etc... the national defense authorization act, all the justification books for how every $ down to the cent is planning to be spent for unclassified portions (which is majority of the defense budget), etc... is all publicly available, comparatively, the US defense ecosystem is far more honest and deliberate than any other, this means that despite its flaws rationality is more pervasive in engineering, operational, and all other aspects of decision making

in short, the US system is more honest than most and this lends to credible capabilities

>>64085124
But you don't understand, I have this document from a decade ago that says the LCS has to go slow in rough weatherrrrrr!!!!!!

>>64085203
the LCS is shit but will still run circles around most vessels at sea, yes even in heavy seas lol, the navy was absolutely retarded in the LCS requirements generation but it accomplished one of its top requirements... go really fast!

>>64085111
Its been true since WW2, Germans wasted their SS troops on US bullets learning the hard way that Americans operate in chaos.

>>64085197
not only do americans save themselves, they'll also save civilians hurt in the crossfire.

>>64085201
The US isn't any more open than another other western power and given the missing $2T I would say it's lees open than Germany or France.
The only difference is lots of major projects are developed in the US so they are going to have more development issues simply because they develop more systems.

>>64085156
>Getting into a war with a stronger adversary
Sounds like a 2nd rate move to me
First rate is not having anyone above you to punch up at

>>64085156
>a first rate flex would be punching above your weight class
What if everyone else is below your weight class ?

>>64085168
It's measured speculation. We know for a fact that the US government lies about capability. Despite what >>64085201 said (which is true, but sidesteps skunkworks), the US military obfuscates their projects heavily. It will only speak about projects like that Naval railgun or the B-21 Raider long, LONG into development and even then it's very likely they are selectively releasing information. In the former's case, they flatly stated that the weapon isn't economical at this point and it's being mothballed until such time as it can be realistically utilized. In the latter case, all they have stated is that the aircraft exists and exceeds the capabilities of its predecessors. By how much? Who knows. We probably won't for decades.

We don't even actually know the capabilities of the F-22. It's out there, they bring it to air shows and display its incredible maneuverability. However, actual combat capability is so shrouded in mystery we can't say for certain we've seen its full utility. We didn't even know how insane the F-15 was until it shot a fucking satellite out of the sky.

If I was China? I wouldn't fuck around to find out. Taiwan isn't that goddamn important. Better to just mind my own business and keep playing economic and information warfare than reveal exactly how thin the paper used in the tiger really is.

>>64085249
>US government lies about capability.
Just because you don't tell someone what your capable of isn't a lie.

>>64085254
>claims modern carriers can do "over 30 knots"
>they get to the gulf so fast they had to be doing at least 45 knots
It's not a lie but it is seriously downplaying capability.

>>64085221
They save enemy combatants too. In Somalia, Rangers were saving the lives of the Somalis that were shooting them just moments before.

>>64085124
This. This. This.

Non-Anglos simply cannot comprehend American transparency. They think a bombshell Senate hearing about how [Gizmo] or [procurement project] is a shit show or has multiple flaws means that our things have flaws and since they never hear the same from China or Russia then theirs must not.

Changs are by far the worst.

>>64085201
>the US is also extremely open about its defense budget,

Not SOF and secret technology.

>>64085254
Lies of omission are still lies. Doesn't matter. If you're about to get into a fist fight, you don't warn the other guy that you're a heavyweight MMA champion with a punch force that could concuss a grizzly bear.

>>64085091 (OP)
The greatest third rate flex is to tempo move where no man has tempo moved before.
Your tinpot dictator doesn't know the term 'reasonable objective' and neither should you.
Lose contact with all your divisions, then land paratroopers in the enemy capital.

The greatest second rate flex is to somehow mobilise 110% of your economy for war.
Report a blade of grass to the politburo because it isn't growing fast enough.
Make everyone work on a starvation diet while you drown your foe in matériel.

The greatest first rate flex is to eat a five course dinner deep in hostile territory.
Have your MIC expand the limits of human knowledge just to find new ways to kill peasants 5000 miles away.
Be everywhere on the globe at once. Raise the local HDI by being there.
Make wars revolve only around whether you still care.

>>64085279
>If you're about to get into a fist fight, you don't warn the other guy that you're a heavyweight MMA champion
Sure you do, it's called deterrent, you don't want him to know your ground game is weak.

>>64085282
>Raise the local HDI by being there.
>Make wars revolve only around whether you still care
My fucking sides.

>>64085279
Mr. Fantastic levels of stretching the meaning of the phrase "lie by omission".

>>64085279
that's means you're lying to everyone in this thread because you're not telling us everything about yourself.

>>64085301
The US government is the Undisputed Champion of Lying in all of human history.

>>64085282
i wouldn't have called the 7th german tank division "third rate" though

>>64085111
>The US Military is the absolute king of "I Was Only Pretending to be Retarded".
proceeds to escape from Afghanistan after leavings tens of billions worth of hardware to the side which they've supposedly "won" against

>>64085410
>to the side which they've supposedly "won" against
ANA?

>>64085410
that just shows how rich they are if they don't care about that shit

>>64085420
>just shows how rich they are
"whaaaa, we can't send more stuff to ukraine"

>>64085410
the hardware you're talking about belongs to the afghans. usa gave them a bunch of stuff over the years. it's not for usa to take back.

>>64085442
Holy mother of cope Batman

>>64085440
that's a political issue, not a capabilities issue. there's no shortage of supplies going to israel because the political will is there.

>>64085450
so america didn't give the ana and anp equipment, vehicles, and weapons?

LMAO

>>64085224
The fundamental difference between the US and its primary adversaries is that the corruption in US development and procurement is built-in so that the end goals of the program are still achievable. The entire American government may be a grift, but it's one that believes that the good times never ending requires maximum military overmatch.

>>64085410
Wasn't the big hub bub about the afghan withdrawal that biden (or those under him) sped it the absolute fuck up in order to 'claim the win on troops out of the middle east ASAP'?

>>64085465
If MAGA remains in power for 20 years the US will end up Africa teir.

>>64085111
Yeah bro, annihilating a bunch of retards who couldn't do war in a million years really shows how strong you are lmao

>>64085476
Let's see if Trump's outburst about taking over DC to stop street crime ends up with the military actively engaging in police duties, because ten years might be conservative.

>>64085496
It actually is. Can you imagine the shitshow if russia invaded Iraq instead of the US?
War is always costly and minimizing your losses to that extend is the true test of a competent military that values its soldiers

>>64085496
>1990
>Iraq is the worlds 3rd largest military
>it lasts 6 months against the US

>>64085508
Soft power it done, there is no reason for any allied country to ever trust the US again.
The economy is going to tank but could be about on par with the GFC if the midterms stop the GOP, if not expect something closer to the great depression.
Neither of these are good but to turn the US into say Russia in terms of corruption it's going to take at least 2 decades for the honest men to give up.

>>64085513
when russia occupied afghanistan, they couldn't even go to every region. when america occupied afghanistan, it was the first time a lot of villages saw foreigners.

>>64085282
former /d2g/ tard, I love how this was equally true of the pro scene.
>3rd rate: hyperaggressive cavemen
>2nd rate: hyperoptimized game-scientists
>TI winners: roam the map at will with insane anti-meta picks

>>64085535
>Soft power it done
Trump has to do a ton more retarded shit before we stop buying your blue jeans and stop listening to your rock and roll music
the biggest threat to US soft power is the shit he is doing by going after universities. That is limiting how many of the elite of tomorrow are going to be living in the US for half a decade to soak up all the "we like the US" for free.

So many people dont understand the afghanistan war at all.
The US rolled their "military" with barely double losses.
If they had the political outlook of germany in the 40s, they could easily have eradicated 99,9% of sentient life in that backwater within a few years.
Because of sheer dumb luck that we are in an era of history where great powers follow moral standards in war, the taliban were allowed to get slaughtered in useless low intensity warfare for two decades.
The US left because it was pointless and only thirdies would think the equipment left behind had any impact on real military balance.

>>64085474
Well, no, the plan was developed under Trump and the Biden admin just folllowed it, taking the loss for the rushed, shitty plan.

>>64085613
the main problem was the US thinking that a bunch of tribal sheep fuckers is the same as Germany or Japan after WWII in terms of building a democracy

>>64085355
In capability I agree, wehrmacht being third rate is too harsh.
But compared to the US/UK Nazi-Germany wasn't a wealthy state by any means back then.
About the same level as France but they had better state finances.
Germany being an advanced industrial welfare state is post-wirtschaftswunder

>>64085572
>the biggest threat to US soft power is the shit he is doing by going after universities. That is limiting how many of the elite of tomorrow are going to be living in the US for half a decade to soak up all the "we like the US" for free.
I agree, to some extent.
The Chinese studying in the US / Assad studying in the west didn't exactly bring western values back home.

>>64085535
>it lasts 6 months against the US

that's counting the build up. the actual fighting only lasted 2 weeks.

>>64085613
during the obama era, us soldiers couldn't even bomb a house that was shooting at them because there might have been women and children inside.

>>64085705
>The Chinese studying in the US / Assad studying in the west didn't exactly bring western values back home.
True of any cultural exchange - people will learn their own lessons, not necessarily the desired ones. As Afghanistan is also a topic, that's a fine example: their youth have picked up an uncanny resemblance to the disaffected rural men so often deployed there - a spiteful love of elite taboos like the national flag, pickup trucks, M-16s and Punisher decals. Definitely not the lessons Washington DC intended!

>>64085289
>deterrent
What part of having more carriers than the rest of the world combined, the two strongest air forces in the world, cranking out between 120-150 fifth gen aircraft and munitons for them a year, and the ability to slap chop someone on the other side of the planet on a whim isn't deterrent enough?
>LOOK
>LOOK AT MIGHTY PUCCIA/CHING CHONG PING PONG/GOATFUCKER REPUBLIC'S NEW WEAPON
>YOU BETTER NOT FUCK WITH US
>I MEAN IT YOU BETTER NOT
This is cringing, third world behavior from countries that are desperate to avoid actually going to war with the US. Constantly showing off and bragging about how great your shit is results in things like the F-15 or the B-2. Western nations don't need or want to flaunt their most advanced gear because why would you reveal your full capabilities if you weren't at war?

>>64085474
>>64085614
you're both wrong. Trump made the plan, Biden ignored the plan. Trump's plan had us out of there soon after the election. the Taliban waited an additional two months before showing the world that the Afghan people not only cannot fight for shit (the entire Afghan military did dissolve overnight), but that the Taliban was actually willing to uphold their part of the bargain.
notice how despite there being only around 2000 American soldiers, not one of them was shot at. with all the panic going on during the evacuation (which should have been happening during the two months Biden was in office) not one American soldier was shot at. all injuries that occurred did so because of retardation and panic.

>>64085111
The US military frequently understates its capabilities by about half and the Chinese military regularly overstates its capabilities by about half.

>>64085892
the showing off and bragging leads to things like the F-22. we intentionally build to the level of technology they CLAIM to have.
now we're thirty years later and absolutely nobody has an equivalent.

>>64085939
Over the last 15 years the gap between those truisms has gotten uncomfortably close. Bad times follow when people can honestly mistake the lies of deterrence for fact, inevitably some ambitious fool is allowed to act on such errors.

>>64086048
There is literally zero evidence to back that statement. Once again, the US lies about capability. We very likely have tools in place to counter every potential threat on the board because, as >>64085945
stated, America doesn't risk being wrong in their estimation of adversaries.

What we do know is that China routinely embarasses itself in their power displays and the greatest defense contractors in the world are in the DoD's pocket. DARPA reveals some of the most absolutely insane shit every couple of years and they love the taste of Uncle Sam's nut.

>>64085091 (OP)
Third rate is correct, second rate is the stats, first rate is having a burger King in Qatar

>>64086088
>having a burger King in Qatar
there are plenty of Burger Kings in Qatar

>>64086088
>>64086100
????

>>64085111
US is god of war time but sucks in peace because we are so built for war. That's why you get disasters like Afghanistan, because we are so much built for fighting that after the enemy is obliterated we just stick around obliterating with no actual objective. Russia, India, China are gods of peace time where they constantly intimidate their foes and keep their populace in line, but for war they rely entirely on the first strike and flounder embarrassingly if it doesn't work. That is how you get disasters like Ukraine

>>64085705
>The Chinese studying in the US / Assad studying in the west didn't exactly bring western values back home.
true, but it isn't to bring hostile regimes into you orbit. It's to keep your friends and allies in yours.

>>64085091 (OP)
replace the first rate flex with this image.

0 american casualties
hundreds of dead russians and syrians

>>64085410
That wasn't the US military, that was one single senile old man chasing "pls vote for me" populace pleasing, and a lot of bleeding hearts that were absolutely against the only way that war could have been won.

The people in charge of the military were in favor of just conquering afghanistan but it was politically inconvenient. Only israel can just conquer places.

>>64086162
>4.50 for a Big Mac meal
It was a better time

>>64086188

>>64085197
I've never seen those carry-spots for injured on the outer edges before (to be frank I've never really learned about medevac period). How effective were they actually in getting injured soldiers to safety versus being basically a flying coffin/hamburger meat carrier since you can't really work on a guy in there and helicopters are hardly the most pleasant/stable things in the first place?

>>64086277
it wasn't comfortable, but it worked.

>>64085272
They also don't understand that there's a lot of incentive in an open, democratic system to overly emphasize problems. Scandalous headlines sell newspapers and journalists are low-IQ bottom-feeding sociopaths, politicians' careers have been built on denouncing wasteful spending (Harry Truman went from a 'who?'-tier senator to President in less than four years because he chaired a 'war profiteering' committee), DoD budgets get slashed the instant there isn't a credible threat on the horizon, the programs and their purported problems are complex and involve specialized terms which dumb people think means 'made up', lefties think the MIC controls everything, right-wingers think the government literally shovels their tax dollars into a big furnace for fun, there's an entire industry of 'independent' 'non-partisan' 'non-profit' 'public advocacy' think tanks that will publish whatever you pay them to, and the retard/schizo-social media feedback cycle has become the leading threat to human civilization. There's very little incentive in our society to say something like "like many other successful aircraft, the F-35's development cycle got off to a rocky start, but it was promising enough to stick with, and its good we did because we sorted out most of the problems out and now it's a world-beater of a fighter and one of our major exports".

>>64085282
>Raise the local HDI by being there.
>Make wars revolve only around whether you still care.
Goddamn.

>>64086285
Man. It still sounds horrible.
>get shot in some jungle shithole
>buddies show up to save you
>stick you in a tiny, cramped plexiglass bubble
>can barely move what little limbs you have control over
>get baked in the sun because you've got a fishbowl over your whole body acting like a magnifying glass, probably pass out from heat stroke or delusion before they get you back, your best hope is being so out of it from adrenaline or drugs that you don't even realize where you are

>>64086083
There's a mountain of evidence that chinkshill is happy to spew for free, but that drivel is slathered on a foundation built from genuine lapses in standards. The Navy still produces public accident reports for one, if you care to read 'em. Their investigative conclusions keep falling on deaf ears. Independent journalism occasionally still twists the knife on scandals once in a while and neither are painting a picture of hidden competence of late.
History will decide the truth - point was, deterrence fails when these capabilities fall into doubt and many of them are doubting, even if you're not.

>>64085410
>>64085465
The multipolars have found the thread.

>>64085535
>>it lasts 6 months against the US
The first five months of that was just logistical buildup and diplomatic maneuvering. The actual war was 44 days, and 40 of those were the air campaign, the ground combat lasted less than 100 hours.

>>64085635
>Germany being an advanced industrial welfare state is Bismarck-era
ftfy

>>64086252
God, i love being a white westerner

>>64086277
They weren't great by modern standards, but amazing by the standards of WW2 which had only been over for five years when Korea started. In WW2, 4.5% of the wounded American soldiers that reached a surgical hospital still died, in Korea it was 2.5%.
Even in the well-equipped, fully-mechanized US or Commonwealth armies of WW2, casualty evacuation was often as primitive as a stretcher tied to the hood of a jeep, inching along a winding, bumpy, unpaved road, maybe with someone holding up a drip-feed of plasma if you were lucky. In REALLY rough terrain, like New Guinea or Burma, you might have to get carried all the way to the field hospital. Compared to that, a helicopter ride was practically teleportation.

>>64086188
I love how it shows the 1 injured SDF fighter who sprained his ankle

>>64085705
>Germany being an advanced industrial welfare state is post-wirtschaftswunder
Germany was a leading industrial power under the Kaiser and the modern welfare state was literally invented by Otto von Bismarck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)

>>64086354
The alternative was often picrel.

>>64086162
a double cheese burger cost more than a whole menu now

>>64085249
Taiwan is that important to China, at least ideologically to the wolf warrior faction. Though it seems that Xi is snubbing them as of late, so I doubt an invasion is actually coming. There's economic arguments for it but they simply don't hold up. TSMC is going to be destroyed if they ever actually invade, whether it be by the ROC or the US's hand.

>>64086633
Why would China destroy TSMC? Or did you mean by accident during the invasion.

>>64086354
>>64086277
You realize that's Korea right?
The US Military had rotary wing casualty evac in the 50s.

>>64086661
While a possibility, its destruction would be a countervalue for invasion.

>>64086668
Technically we had it in 1944, it wasn't common.

>>64086633
The single greatest diplomatic coup Xi could pull off would be to offer formal recognition to Taiwain. Renounce all claims to their territory, sit down with neutral arbitrators and negotiate shared rights/FoN in the Taiwan straight, and extend a genuine hand of friendship. Actually follow through on it.

>>64086661
China won't, but the Taiwanese might blow them up themselves. If they don't the US certainly will, they're not going to let the Chinese get their hands on them.

>>64085091 (OP)
where does US fall on this category? 2.5 or 3.5? Even Nigerians don't have sponsor breaks during their parades

>>64086605
Yes, Germany had a world-class chemical industry (thinking IG Farben)
I wanted to point out that despite this and being a great power, Germany was still poorer than the US/UK, see picture.
I'll concede that Germany had a welfare state earlier but the American worker back then was still much better off than the German one compared to the modern American/German.

>>64086729
congrats saar, you failed the most basic comprehension test

>>64085091 (OP)
I haven't even read replies yet but I bet ziggers and thirdies got triggered.... let's take a look at replies

>>64086862
that's always the case when the superiority of the us military is discussed

>>64085095
>Second rate armies tend to either just be one of the two. Retarded or competent.
I am waiting to see the competent second rate. The closest I've seen is Azerbaijan stomping Armenia.

>>64086162

>>64085091 (OP)
Yes. First rate army flex is destroying enemies so effectively, people think you're incompetent. Unironically.
>w-well it couldn't have been that hard to defeat one of the largest militaries on earth and occupy a foreign country on the complete other side of the planet!
Is a genuine thought people have.

>>64085343
That's still the chinks

>>64085343
No.

>>64085272
>Non-Anglos simply cannot comprehend American transparency.
So much this. They never understand that internal examination and criticism is a feature, rather than a flaw, of the Anglo system

>>64089885
yep, it's literally the meme of:
>problem --> cover it up --> problem(s)
vs
>problem --> call it out --> solution

>>64086715
he would lose the mandate of heaven doing that
it would be like Putin not paying lip service to USSR Revanchism clamoring for Alaska and California to be returned to them

>>64085343
lol, lmao even

>>64085156
Only shitskins whine about fair fights in wartime.
>Wahhhh I failed to plan and don't want to plan to fail!

Shut the fuck up Rajesh Chang and get back to mass producing plastic bullshit that I will use for a week and then dispose of without a 2nd thought.

>>64085111
>invade Iraq, a longstanding enemy of your enemy, Iran
>you've even supplied weapons to the former to fight the latter
>spend twenty years, several TRILLION dollars, and cause excess deaths of over a million among civilians
>fail to maintain stability to the point a good chunk of the country becomes core territory of ISIS
>pull out
>they're functionally Iranian proxy turf now, whoops

>>64090280
>functionally Iranian proxy turf now, whoops
Anon, israel overflew iraqi territory with refuelers to drop jdams inside iranian airspace. Iraq is a pretty trash proxy to just allow that.

>>64085410
Yes. It is so terrible that Islamic groups that mostly base in areas the Chinese are moving into now that the us left have middle spec munitions and vehicles with which to wage guerrilla war against countries like Iran, Syria, and china

It's such a colossal fuck up

>>64085156

War isn't a sporting match where you want to be fair. You want as much of an advantage as possible and that generally means not picking fights you stand a reasonable risk of losing.

>>64085572
>the biggest threat to US soft power is the shit he is doing by going after universities. That is limiting how many of the elite of tomorrow are going to be living in the US for half a decade to soak up all the "we like the US" for free.

Osama Bin Laden and a ton of other, very anti-American, individuals were schooled in the west. You're mistaking them living here for a time to take advantage of our superior education system and amenities with accepting the country they're residing in. It's a tour of duty for them and nothing more.

>>64085535
>Soft power is done
It never did anything outside of the minds of politicians.
>The economy is going to tank
It will, but not why you think. Eventually gen Z/A are going to want to force private equity to dump their numerous rental homes back on the people's market. And the US is essentially based on realestate being a pyramid scheme. The two party drama here is totally irrelevant. Gen Z and A being literal antisemitic national socialists with no prospects if they adhere to the fake laissez-faire capitalism shit, on the other hand, IS relevant. You should stop reading FOX and CNN, and start reading this book. Realize you are not in the collapse of the USSR, you are watching the dying days of the tsarists. Weed is their vodka. Renters are their serfs.

>>64085091 (OP)
eh, I think parades and military pageantry actually have a very important role to play in making sure your army functions effectively. Morale, recruitment rates, make the military seem appealing, show the people where their taxes are going. They've only gotten a bad reputation from dictators using them as a bluff tactic, to "appear strong" when their military is a paper tiger.

Powerful and functional militaries used to engage in pageantry all the time, I think it fell out of favor in "the west" during the cold war because both the nazis and commies liked their parades. Which is silly but unfortunately we base far too much of our policies on doing the opposite of what the nazis and commies did, without thinking about if that's a good idea or not.

>>64085410
That was fully a political decision against all expert opinion by the then president.

>>64090338
This. No one spazzes out when the Brits have almost daily parades.
>Today the 4th Rochester Territorial Lancers will march down the Royal Mall to celebrate their victory over Bomalians at the Battle of Takayenkke River in 1735.

>>64090311
Bin Laden was also a CIA asset we used against the Russians, you forget.

>>64090338
Parades are fine.
Parades poorly disguised as patriotism instead of a retards that wants. Parade about how cool and awesome he is isn't.

>>64085091 (OP)
We were in the Coalition
Another W for Basedladesh

>>64090388
It doesn't help with recruiting like the guy said though.

>>64090286
Turf of proxies anon, not a proxy itself.

>first rate army flex

>>64085221
>this pic
In Northern Iraq there are a FUCKTON of Kurds with Western middle names because US aid/medical care saved so many children and pregnant mothers.
>Kurds
We had the opportunity of our own Gurkas, and we FUCKED IT UP. We could have carved a chunk out of Iraq/Syria/Turkey and created Kurdistan, fuck Israel the Kurds would have our backs until the fucking sun burned out. And if the rest of the fucking Muslims chimped out we'd simply arm the Kurds and tell them to give them a taste of REAL genocide.
>Muslims when Kurds are genocided for decades
I sleep
>Muslims when a Palestinian gets a hangnail
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>64092013
Kurds are temporary allies, like everyone in the middle east. You're drinking too much kool aid if you think they're any different from the surrounding muslims.

>>64092013
Kurds are sunni alot of them join isis

>>64091965
thirdies could never

>>64090338
Military parades function in the context of their culture and America has never had a strong culture of military parades.
American recruiting comes from shit like pull up competitions at six flags and marine recruiting booths buying highschool kids a mcdonalds meal.

>>64090338
Not really. The US military is strong because it has an inordinately large number of "pencil pushers" for every frontline knuckle dragger. This is what America's enemies and even Cowadoody Americans misconstrue as being fat and degenerate. Logistics and intel win wars and America is very good a both. It just so happens those doing it are fat pogs.

>>64086354
>can't work on you
>cramped
Just got LifeFlighted a couple weeks ago and it's not a lot different today, with the exception that you're actually inside the fuselage.
>typical JetRanger-looking thing
>pushed into the top left of the cabin, feet forward
>have to keep feet together to fit
>can see nothing but some bulkhead to right
Between loading, start up and shut down procedures, and flight time it only knocked off about 20 minutes from taking an ambulance. Might have been a bit smoother though, no potholes or Indiana bridges.

>dude just wants to have some whimsical fun trying to imagine the future of warfare with zero budget
>the internet makes fun of him forever

Fun things are fun you fucking nerds.

>>64085095
>>64085111
it's so fucking hilarious that you think tech overmatch in a single domain is the same thing as winning a war

it's like bullying the retarded kid with a laser pointer and pretending you could actually win a real fight

>>64092513
oooo rajesh 10 rupees to you good boy

>>64085613
No equipment was even left behind. It was equipment given to the Afghan government.

>>64092513
You would have a point if the US didn't have a tech, training, experience, and numerical overmatch in every single domain.

You post that juxtaposition of casualties and not the one of the Eland Battle? ~10,000 Bantus vs several dozen Whites. Several thousand Bantus killed, 4 Whites injured (they crashed a Jeep, they’re clumsy)

>>64092674(me)

My numbers from memory were incorrect, but only slightly. Picrel.

>>64085410
Simply the next step in the plan.

>>64085244
lol unironically the most American problem

>>64086162
>2 Cheeseburgers™

>>64090280
>they're functionally Iranian proxy turf
stop getting your information from /pol/ memes

>>64092667
and still haven't won a war since?
the u.s. knows it can't actually go to war. it can't. it can do some precision strikes, some sf raids, but there's no will for sustained conflict.

>>64090280
>>you've even supplied weapons to the former to fight the latter
No, we didn't. As near as I can tell the only American equipment the Iraqi Armed Forces had in inventory in 1991 were a half dozen civilian Lear jets they used for VIP transport and a smattering of stuff they had captured from Iran and Kuwait.

>>64092832
It's actually the opposite. There's plenty of will for a war but very little will for "nationbuilding" which is what they keep trying to do for the last 50 years. The US can't decide if it wants to be an outright empire and conquer places or not so it does this retarded dance in the middleground that gets nowhere for 10-20 years then pulls out of a place.

>>64092841
I agree with your indecision assessment.
>There's plenty of will for a war
Where, outside of government or the CFR? I mean real, state-on-state, near-peer conflict.
Because I will send you $1000 if you find me more than three irl people actually wanting the US go to war with Iran, Russia, or China.

>>64092513
The US's last poke at a named doctrinal concept of operations, prior to counter A2AD/distributed airsea battle or whatever they're calling it now, was called "Full Spectrum Dominance Operations" or something very similar.

The thing I just don't get about posts like this is how they can ignore that every country in the world, at absolute best, seeks a strictly asymmetric overmatch with the US in only one specific situation where the US is weakest and they have the most advantages, and they still almost always fail.

Like, the second most powerful nation in the world's most daring and optimistic military ambition vs the US is the deny the ability of the US to do literally whatever they want anywhere inside or within about 50km of their country, whenever they want, using systems that with no useful strategic purposes or payoff beyond that, and it's not even clear if they'd work for that. That's literally A2AD - a country with productive output rivalling America's hopes that someday maybe it might maybe, just about, almost have more military control of its coastline than America does using asymmetric tools that it can't project power much further than that with.

It's part of why it's so hard for people who are well informed about strategic affairs to believe that the world would be better off with Chinese hegemony or even multipolarity. China doesn't appear to have any interest in using any power it accrues to contribute to global security commons, since it has a poor track record of it and is making no investments to suggest any intention to improve.

>>64085465
this is a shoop right

>>64085156
>a first rate flex would be punching above your weight class, not roflpwning weaker adversaries with overwhelming numerical superiority
This. People always gloat about how the US military steamrolled the Iraqis in the1990s, but those very same people never gloat about how the US military steamrolled the Native Americans in the 1870's. Aren't they the same thing? Why not boast about every example of Amerian military superiority if America is so strong?

>>64092861
If you limit that bet to China then you might be right, but there are a lot of people in the world who hate Iran and Russia with every fibre of their being and would like nothing more than for the US to commit to a war of annihilation against them, no matter any other costs and without consideration of other options. China materially contributes to the world, and even their greatest detractors admit that on balance, and even the greatest Sinophobes with the freshest grievances in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang would rather all solutions other than war be exhausted before war.

>>64092882
>a first rate flex would be punching above your weight class, not roflpwning weaker adversaries with overwhelming numerical superiority
>This. People always gloat about how the US military steamrolled the Iraqis in the1990s...
But Iraqi forces outnumbered and massively outmassed Coalition forces in the Gulf War. The US led Coalition won because of vastly superior doctrine and astute technological investments ahead of time. Many thought that the Iraqi air defence network would be virtually uncrackable, and it was probably stronger than Russia or China's at the time.

Projections for US combat fatalities were in the high tens of thousands before the war, and it was projected to take at least months of ground combat. The low actual casualties and short decisive ground combat phase forced a decade of rethinking military theory and assessments.

>>64092513
>overmatch in a single domain
Our current official doctrine is only called "Multi-Domain Operations" because the name "Full-Spectrum Dominance" was already taken by our last doctrine. It's nothing but overmatch all the way down, baby. I mean, one of the goddamn domains doesn't really even exist and we're STILL going to mog the opposition there.

>>64092882
I don't think Sitting Bull had MiG-29s.

>>64092875
Nope, it's Trumpmerica, sponsored by Coinbase

>>64092882
>America is bad at war because the rest of the world are indigenous tribes by comparison
Not even the biggest, dumbest, most unironic 'Murican Exceptionalist in the world would make the kinds of arguments Ameriphobes routinely post here.

>>64085927
>all injuries that occurred did so because of retardation and panic.
That suicide bombing doesn't count?

>>64085156
This man read Evil Sun Tzu. “Attack your enemy only when they are stronger lmao” he says.

>>64086354
Not your main point but helo glass is super duper UV treated, its not nearly the greenhouse it looks like

>>64092836
True, my mistake, but plenty of other support.

>>64087502
That's the one.

>>64093044
"All warfare is cringe"

>>64093174
Again, no.

>>64090252
>California
What crack are they smoking?

>>64093742
As Putin recently said Russia is wherever a Russian otter pelt trader's foot was.

>>64092836
>>64093732
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
>the United States adopted a policy of providing support to Iraq in the form of several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, dual-use technology, intelligence sharing (e.g., IMINT), and special operations training.[2]
>This U.S. support, along with support from most of the Arab world, proved vital in helping Iraq sustain military operations against Iran.[3]
>The documented sale of dual-use technology, with one notable example being Iraq's acquisition of 45 Bell helicopters in 1985,[4][5] was effectively a workaround for a ban on direct arms transfers; U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East dictated that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism because of the Iraqi government's historical ties with groups like the Palestinian Liberation Front and the Abu Nidal Organization, among others.[6]
>However, this designation was removed in 1982 to facilitate broader support for the Iraqis as the conflict dragged on in Iran's favour.
Billions. Actually, I'll correct myself again. Conveniently, Saddam was supplied with US-made weapons, such as those nifty MK-84 bombs. They simply happened to be trafficked to Iraq by Saudi Arabia. How convenient, that some friendly middleman happened to hold onto them for a passing second.
Next, beneath the skies of God, I suppose you are going to continue your merry melody by denying the favors done in support of the accursed Khmer Rogue? Such as, alongside China, aiding them in keeping the Cambodian UN seat until 1993. This, in spite of Pol Pot, that vile man of ill renown and his blood-soaked cronies having been pushed out of power by the Vietnamese a dozen-plus-two years earlier, in 1979. In spite of the peace accords of 1991.
Wild fantasies are best left to books and children.

>>64092995
Gotta love how these thirdies also assume America showing up from halfway across the world to wreck their shit is just a given.
>haha, you actually packed up an entire army and took it across the ocean just to delete my military in 48 hours on our own turf? why don't you pick on someone your own size

>>64092968
I like how out of all the Iraqi air force, only the MiG-25 managed to do something against the coalition. Getting atleast one aerial victory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSmtPNPeeTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajxRrY8_hKM
And then managed to kill a predator drone armed with stingers later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAneAliAG88


While the MiG-29 got into 2v2 duel with F-15's and died hard with no victories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llpae6XqCBQ

>>64085410
You are brown and poor so let me help:
We left behind a dollar amount because it took a higher dollar amount to bring it back OR blow it up.
The side to which you refer is the dead grandfather of the dead fighter killed on the last day, that's how hard the US won.

>>64085156
Iraq had the third strongest army in the world

i never understood how the US military is touted as unbeatable in war. can't you just overpower every single military tactic with collective brute force? like clogging a blender with enough material that it can't spin properly.

>>64094469
>i never understood how the US military is touted as unbeatable in war
you answered your own question:
>can't you just overpower every single military tactic with collective brute force?

>>64094530
oh shit my bad kek. i just assumed the US was just winning because of posturing as the world police and everyone took that at face value.

>>64094533
no, the US wins, because they have more stuff, better stuff and the expertise to get the stuff where it needs to go

>>64094545
but why not just apply that to a global coalition to take them out? for example if the whole middle east was like fuck the US, on paper they have enough oil to sell in exchange for military might and headhunting world-class strategists that rivals the US right? it just seems odd that there's this asymmetry in both power potential and distribution at the same time, rather than it being one or the other.

>>64085111
> yuros convince themselves that America isn't actually that powerful and then we surgically kill dozens of civilians from a 3rd world shithole without prior DOW

>>64094555
>can't you just overpower every single military tactic with collective brute force
In the 1950s you kinda-sorta could. Short range tank rushes were the ultimate weapon and the eastern front of WW2 had proven numbers were a big deal. That was the culture the boomers grew up in and the assumptions most dictators of the era had. Tac nukes were a blatant cope from NATO. Then computer chips kicked in and a lot of thirdies (and reformers) assumed it would be a linear incremental upgrade instead of an revolutionary one.

That was why Gulf War 1 was historically important. The US proved the late cold war computer revolution had made the post-WW2/pre-integrated-circuit assumptions obsolete. Suddenly large numbers were no longer a major advantage. Other nations had to choose between trying to bootstrap their own computer age MIC or giving up on winning and going the insurgency route hoping they'd be too much of a tarpit for the US to get involved in.

>>64094591
> Gulf War 1 was historically important.
> Suddenly large numbers were no longer a major advantage
you do realize Iraqis were outmatched almost 3:1 in the air (aka. the only thing that counts)

>>64094555
do you know what logistics are?

>>64094627
they had tons of ground based AA

>>64094561
We could declare war on your country then surgically kill your head of state and there would be nothing you could do about it.

>>64094772
i could also fugg yo mudda and there is nothing you could do about it

>>64094591
>Suddenly large numbers were no longer a major advantage.
this single sentence causes daily grief for all thirdie shitholes around the world.
you'll notice most of the shilling on this board is there all pointing towards one single narrative, all meant to disprove this unquestionable truth, because it makes them that insecure, all of it along the lines of:
>o-our massive horde tactics still work! that was just a fluke!
because if it's not, any thirdie's hope of beating a modern precise army in a fight goes up in complete fucking smoke. desert storm buckbroke thirdie confidence in their armies in a way that is very hard to understate, they really don't like the fact that this is reality and a western style army doesn't HAVE to get engaged in a brutal war of attrition, they just dismantle you and stop you from being able to fight effectively, every single modern thirdie tactic is aimed at trying to prevent this and lock the enemy into an attritional grind, because if they're denied that, they're completely fucked.

>>64085091 (OP)
>>64085111
lmao when I read these posts I knew there’d be a million replies like
>noooooo america actually lost!!!
>noooooo it doesn’t count!!! because..it just doesn’t ok!!
Clock work. Seething turdies

>>64094878
> > o-our massive horde tactics still work! that was just a fluke!
they do doughbit

>>64095004
>one M240 later
You were saying?

>>64095011
> >one M240 later
(you) me again when this actually happens

>>64092484
>LifeFlight
Look at Mr. Moneybags over here

>>64085091 (OP)
When third rate countries go to war, fast food franchises abandon the country
When first rate countries go to war, the fast food franchises are part of the rear echelon. >>64086162
>>64087502

>>64096467
Best response ITT. Nothing is a bigger flex than “yeah this (war) is just a day at the office for us, we’ll bring Pizza Hut along, because we can afford the luxury”

>>64096937
Isn't it more of
>this war is so low intensity, we can afford to bring fast food joints with us

>>64096969
Scratch that. I just remembered the ice cream barge.

>>64093036
that was ISIS not taliban idiot

>>64085111
I look at millions of undesirables flowing freely into what used to be your country while you're impotent to stop it and conclude that you are indeed not that powerful.

>>64085410
>get US equipment
>immediately get into a border skirmish with Iran and start attacking ISIS
There's probably going to be a McDonald's in Kabul too.