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Hyper ammo edition.

Pastebin, commence pasting.

dude weed lmao

>>64087027 (OP)
It's a great round but M855A1 is better for general purpose.

Mini-14?

Pastebin
https://rentry.org/sa6c4m

Summary
https://files.catbox.moe/91lvkc.jpg

post spr's

the real superior cartridge

>>64087034
Probably. From what I understand it is still a very velocity dependent round.

>>64087045
fuck the shut up cumshort

Handguns are obsolete and if they were banned, nobody of worth would notice
They should have been on the NFA frankly

>>64087027 (OP)
I’ve been meaning to ask about this stuff. What makes it so good? You can get accurate ammo that uses various hollowpoints/tipped ammo.

>>64087053
You know that's not true, sonny.

>>64087034
M855A1 is the best all purpose 5.56 load full stop. Barrier blind, pierces all known PE plates and the majority of steel, even basic Level III ceramics, and good terminal ballistics.
Nammo Powerball is better in theory if you're in an armor rich environment but it's impossible to get. All of the true APs like M995 / AP4 have ass terminal ballistics.

>>64087053
Yeah. Banning AR-15s is also a surprisingly popular opinion around here in case you are new. Just ask.
>>64087055
TMKs are the accurate ammo that uses a hollowpoints. They get talked about the most because of the terminal ballistics are nothing short of theatrical to see. Very good bullets.

>>64087067
How do they compare to the old 100 grain black hills OTM?

>>64087070
No idea. I'm not the ammo guy. These have been on my mind a lot lately because I actually have a few now. I had been stockpiling AAC Sabre up till now.

>handguns
blegh
>pistols
hmmmm… ok!

>>64087078
I can’t believe he has that anon living rent free in his head

What a loser

>>64087086

>>64087070
>100gr sounds like a bit fucking much for .223
>its 9mm
TKMs are .223.

Piston or DI?

>>64087080
All good. I was reading up on the old blended metal bullets (tungsten tin) from PRL 20 years ago and apparently they were brutal. The Black Hills 100 was comparable to some .308 loads.

>>64087090
Do you secretely have a crush on pastebin? It's the only explenation I can think of

>>64087092
So are these amigo
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/id-this-5-56-ammo/48741

>>64087053
could you imagine the sounds of Chiraq if every blicky wit a switch was replaced by a PSA SBR with a DIAS? Because that's what itd be if handguns were banned with the NFA lmao

>>64087093
Probably DI.

>>64087104
Do pistons reduce gas when using a suppressor? At least enough to warrant using them?

>>64087103
Don't forget the tennis ball stocks, Schmeisser mags, and green tips

>>64087102
Whoa. Super cool.

>>64087045
The lead-free aspect and the improved barrier penetration are nice to have, but the real purpose and crowning achievement of M855A1 is that it's not yaw sensitive and doesn't have a long neck before expansion, because it fragments by hydraulic force peeling back the jacket like a JHP instead of snapping at the cannelure. It also has a significantly lower velocity threshold for fragmentation - about 1900 fps. You can have a 10.5" barrel and it will frag out to 200 yards.

>>64087101
nta but I'm wondering about that foxxussy.

>>64087036
I'm placing a curse on you to become my cute fox wife

>>64087112
Yes. Probably don't do piston if you don't have a can.

>>64087055
Nothing special any more today, they simply have good terminal performance and accuracy; as tested to death in the 2010s terminal ballistics debates. They're one of the gold standards like TAP or M855A1.

>>64087067
I know the bullets are good I’m asking about black hills in particular.

>>64087067
>TMKs are the accurate ammo that uses a hollowpoints
Uh what? TMKs have the plastic tip.

>>64087127
Ah. So, then piston + flowthru can is stupid?

>>64087114
I remember the heaviest non-experimental 5.56 is actually the 150gr sub from PRL. Tungsten-tin blended metal fragmenting. There was a 163gr duplex load from vietnam but I don't think it went past prototype. Liberty had a tungsten 110-grain that was supposed to be subsonic AP I think. They also had an M855A2 if you wayback machine their website.

>>64087080
Yeah the reason I’m asking is because midway just got the 69gr tmks back in stock. I’m probably not going to buy any I already have a few k psa tmks from before they changed the recipe.

>>64087116
Oh wow, you really do get to eat your cake and keep it too then.

We've come a long way from "FMJ GO FAST!"

>>64087136
Which flow through?

>>64087088
Doesn't he post Shepherd/Venom snake vids as well? Well he's gonna get triggered when he realizes Shepherd uses a big boy Python AKA the Anaconda

im just gonna use FMJ for home defense
no one has ever been tried/charged for shooting neighbors or anything through their walls during a hd shooting

>>64087148
I don't have one, I'm just inquiring. But lets just say Huxwrx

Has anyone used BKF stuff? Seems suspiciously cheap. Is it just cause it's QPQ rather than chrome?

>>64087103
>>64087113
Sounds like heaven on Earth

>>64087157
Huxwrx has the closest you can get to no gas there's no point at all in getting a piston for that. Maybe with the hybrid designs yeah

>>64087158
its ok i have no complaints but i never did any precision testing

>>64087135
Ballistic tip* it is made of plastic. You are technically correct.
>>64087136
Uhh, probably? I have shot 416 with issued suppressor. Extent of experience. Your asking a A2 echleon question now.
>>64087139
>subsonic AP
Witchcraft.

>>64087142
Probably hold out for the good stuff.

>>64087136
Pistons were a cope for pre-flowthrough cans. Now that flowthrough exists pistons are getting abandoned.

>>64087174
The technology is improving so rapidly some of the flow through silencers I've heard actually sounded better to my ears than an rc2

>>64087174
Nah.

>>64087168
>subsonic AP
it's doable if you focus primarily on beating ceramics and PE. Steel gets chomped by anything going fast. If you remember the Le Mas controversy from 2005, they fooled Army brass into thinking repainted 37gr Varmint bullets, reloaded pissing hot, were AP because 3,600ft/s 5.56 beats 1/2" MIL-46100.

>>64087158
yeah it's fine. aero tier (pre-QC crisis era)

>>64087088
>>64087149
He's right over there >>64087009 and he's not even denying it anymore

>>64087078
>>64087117
>>64087125
I'd sooner die than ever be dicked down, bucko

>>64087235
>it would be your choice

>>64087093
The only piston AR that matters is pof p415 and I guess the hk 416. If you don't need to stick with ARs get a scar or a daewoo

>>64087236
Truth be told I never watched Burn Notice and probably never will. I sure do love appropriating things I have no legitimate connection to

>>64087277
I’ve seen it a bunch of times. It’s a great show. A bit cringe when they clearly don’t understand how firearms and the related works, but still a great watch.

>>64087034
Nah, m855a1 is overrated. Its more of a better 62gr controlled chaos than anything. We know sub caliber penetrators are pretty trash post barrier from years of m855 use vs common barriers. 77gr TMK is a significantly better load for any situation in which cover isn't a concern. If it is then 75gr GD loaded to 5.56 pressure is the best general purpose load outside of the Hague concerned.

>>64087300
M855A1 negotiates body armor much better than TMK and is therefore superior as a GP. This isn't 1995 anymore, plates are mainstream.

>>64087316
Not good logic. You kill people wearing plates by shooting them where the armor isn't, not trying to punch through it.

>>64087235
I've ruined you more than you've ruined any general.

>>64087332
Which works if you're good enough and in a position to do that. If not? Your TMK means nothing to a competent ceramic or PE plate. All the while M855A1 can punch a large variety of plates fine AND still has good terminal ballistics. You don't have to take the extra time to aim around armor unless it's M855A1-rated. Even then, rapid consecutive M855A1 will degrade a strike face faster than TMK.
Also account for shields, rifle rated helmets, windshields.

>>64087332
not true, my extensive time in the field of reforger u knock them with spam then tap them once down

>>64087092
Your options really open up when you ignore mag induced OAL concerns, 80gr and up are really popular for long range shooters

>>64087341
You've done nothing lol

>>64087360
100gr Black Hills fits within STANAG OAL. Tungsten is denser than lead.

>>64087366
NTA but replying to half the thread at once but only receiving one or two replies just makes you look like a loser with no friends

>>64087055
Do yourself a favor and check out the thread on rokslide called .223 for bear, elk, and moose. It's long but a ton of good info and real world results. Long story short the 77gr TMK is notably superior in terms of on target performance(assuming barriers aren't involved) compared to anything else on the market. Plenty of penetration, wound cavity like a 2 liter bottle through organs, exits are usually 2.5" or so. It's got a really effective blend of fragmentation, penetration, and expansion. It also has extremely good external ballistics and a low fragmentation threshold(around 1700fps IIRC).

>>64087381
He's only a failyah because he used Loctite blue. Green motherfucker, green!

>>64087381
Don't tell wuggy.

>>64087300
>we?
Speak for yourself nigger. M855A1 performance is good and you can see the ballistic gels for yourself.

>>64087392
>assuming barriers aren't involved
Big assumption but true. A double stockpile of M855A1 and TMK is probably the "I'm rich" meta unless you've got a connection for tungsten. Even then 5.56 struggles with good Level IV plates that aren't boron carbide or relatively low quality Alumina.
There is no known 5.56 load full stop that can reliably pierce an XSAPI unless you're willing to reload M995 using NAS3 and a 24" musket to 3,650ft/s.

>>64087316
Yea dog, lemme just bet on this dude with armor having a specific sub category of plates which the round may be effective against depending on distance and angle and the stage of Venus's orbit. It's correct that m855a1 is better against armor but it isn't better enough that the answer changes from "shoot where the plates aren't".
>>64087395
Yea, nah, we did the whole "the harder metal little penetrator means it'll work fine through barriers" thing with m855. I'm not buying that a1 is better at that specific task, let alone better enough that it's superior to 75gr GDSP until I see real world proof.

I agree that within the narrow confines of being forced to shoot people in their body armor while not being allowed actual AP loads that m855a1 is superior. I don't think that makes it a superior general purpose load considering it's worse at everything else than the alternatives.

>>64087042

>>64087442
do it bitch

>>64087404
>M855A1 and TMK is probably the "I'm rich" meta
if you're rich and also retarded. If you weren't retarded you would keep a 308 platform around

>>64087316
>plates are mainstream.
Oh yeah? I don't have any

>>64087423
You're overestimating the typical quality of armor in the US. M855A1 only fails to defeat modern SRTs, some "III+" like the Hesco 3411 and LTC 19513, and all certified Level IV (M2AP > M855A1) plates. The average asshat is running a $50 piece of shit Chinese white label Ceramic or PE, or Level III steel. M855A1 will easily handle those. Any hits from TMK likely won't count.
M855 and M855A1 alike easily clear common all-PE plates. A1 will do it at further range and will clear nearly all steel plates as well or better than M193 at 3,300ft/s.
M855A1 is hugely better than TMK against armor. For the public with no access to M995 (which has F-tier terminal ballistics) M855A1 is the better generalist.

>>64087447
No fool it'd be 6.5 sneed.
>>64087458
They're $20 a piece on Alibaba from Linry fuk are u doing brah.

>>64087447
Fuggin wut?

what 62gr/77gr ammo should i be stacking

>>64087480
M855A1 and TMK

>>64087480
.308

>>64087477
if you want serious terminal ballistics, or serious AP, 308 is a far better option than 5.56 (if cost is no issue)

>>64087490
>>AP
Well, yes, but with what loads? M80A1 is strictly superior to M855A1 against armor, but still fails to defeat good certified Level IV plates. M993 defeats many IVs at the magic ticket velocity of 3,050ft/s, but how are you getting M993?
Even then, XSAPIs / Adept Colossus will handle that. M1158 is the magic ticket but hard as balls to get.
If you're using basic .308, it is inferior to M193 / M855A1 vs steel and inferior to M855 / A1 vs PE, only better than either against a very specific subset of SRT plates like the Hesco L211 / RMA SRT.

>>64087511
>M80A1 is strictly superior to M855A1 against armor
this one mainly. m855a1 will not crack III+, m80a1 is superior i n every metric (apart from weight and cost).

>>64087466
>>64087466
>The average asshat is running a $50 piece of shit Chinese white label Ceramic or PE, or Level III
nta, they might be, but level 4 hescos were $99 a pop a few years ago and I know I spread that link around a bunch so there are probably more people with them than you think. I basically assume all armor is level 4 I'm not even going to worry about trying to pen it.

>>64087536
>M855A1 will not crack III+
Just to clarify this, III+ isn't an official NIJ rating and can mean anything set by the mfg. M855A1 will easily handle III+ from AR500 or other shit steel. Easily handle III+ PE plates rated to handle M193. Will handle ceramic III+ rated to M193 / M855 like the first gen RMA 1092 or Hesco 3611. Will lose however to stronger III+ like the Hesco 3411 / RMA 1092 G2 / LTC 19513. M80A1 will handle those fine.
Any opponent worth their salt will run plates optimized to M855A1 / M80A1 defeat at the minimum weight like the superb LTC 28570, which handles both @ only 4.38lb standalone.

Armor is complicated man.

>>64087546
You talking about those 4400s? NIJ-suspended because of improper heat treatment on the strike face. While there was a recall it cannot be definitively proven all problematic plates were recovered. The NIJ FIT test that prompted the recall is only done yearly for ISO:9001 certed mfgs. I think Botach is still selling those for that price, actually, if anyone is interested.
We're a minority. Average dipshit thinks even $100 is too much per plate. Botach was selling $50 Level IVs years ago which IIRC could only stop M855A1 half the time. They were popular, sure, but M855A1 is up for that challenge.

>>64087565
No the 4401's I thought those weren't affected by the recall?

>>64087575
The 4401s are fine. The recalled Hescos were the 4400, 4600, 3410, 3610. However, what has to be kept in mind with the 4401 is that it's an antiquated ceramic-fiberglass budget design. Here's a fun fact about ceramic plates. NIJ 0101.06 section 7.6.2. Minimum shot to shot distance is 51mm, two inches. What does this mean? If a plate is struck twice and the second hit is within 2", it does NOT have to stop that second hit.
Better yet, that's for Level III plates rated for six hits of 7.62x51mm M80. Level IV plates only have to stop one .30-06 M2AP. No other ballistic test required. This means 7.6.2 does not apply and shot spacing requirement can be wider!
If you can degrade the strike face, follow up hits of M855A1 to the 4401 only have to face fiberglass and will easily perforate. It's only rated for three M855A1 for the ENTIRE plate IIRC. TMK will be a lot easier because it lacks a steel penetrator, is same diameter, and not significantly more energetic.
This is true for all Level IV minus plates rated to both III and IV, or those that use either a crack arrestor or a tile / pellet strike face.

NIJ is not linear. IVs are sidegrades from Level IIIs that use more strike face and less backer (why they're often cheaper!) to focus on singular AP threats. In other words, IVs are counter sniper, good IIIs are gunfight plates.

>>64087623
I have lv4 hescos… I mean I only use it as exercise weights running on a treadmill

I’m literally dead in the streets… it’s so over

>>64087636
Are they 4400, 4401s, 4403s, 4600s, 4601s, or 4800s?
Hesco's best Level IV is the 4601, because it is rated to both III and IV (6x M80). The second best is the 4403, which is 7.7lb and heavier than the older 4401.
Hesco's "problem" is that they underbuilt their earlier plates enough that a mere strike face hardening issue was enough to get rounds through.

RMA and Highcom's plates are worse than Hesco's lineup. Armor is complicated and it is sketchy as hell.

>>64087623
>Level IV plates only have to stop one .30-06 M2AP
Maybe not for certification but I'm pretty sure they still test for multi hit and there was something like 6 rounds of m193 although I would assume that spacing still comes into play.

>>64087623
nobody cares

>>64087654
i do im reading these guys convo while at work its interesting

>>64087670
No it's not

>>64087674
ok lets get back to the same tranny spam and pb/schizoPBchaser /hg/ drama no ur right

>>64087670
Well stop it. I didn't give you permission to read my posts. All anons except for the ones I like have to stop reading my posts from hereon out.

>>64087381
Didn't PX4 anon ever tell you? I ad lib several replies to shield my posts from your false reports of "off topic". I never expect everyone to actually read it, LMAO. Don't worry, you're not the only baka who never figured out the true reason I "mass reply"

>silencers
nobody cares
>armor
nobody cares
>stupid schizo drama
wowee I care a lot!

>>64087691
dwl

>>64087691
I'm just here for the sick punk rock recommendations.

>>64087695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcKxYScvUsU

I got you nigga.

>>64087651
They do, but keep in mind certification is large batch (several dozen) plates and also includes unannounced follow up tests done by NIJ. Frequency is every two years for ISO:9001 cert, yearly for non-cert. A mfg can handpick plates for lab or youtube plates. Certification shows that every plate, including yours, meets requirements. Lab tests only show one. The only cert for the 4401 shows it can stop M2AP once. It can do more, absolutely, IF the spacing is wide enough and within the fair hit zone of shot-to-edge. NIJ 0101.06 7.6.1, cheat ring rule! All shots must be at least two inches from the edge. The strike face here goes all the way to the edge, but nothing is stopping it from being thinner... because shots outside the fair hit zone are "unfair."
Another point for M855A1.

For a fun side note, RMA once sent a 1192 Level IV plate to Buffman for a youtube test that was literally 10oz heavier than advertised.

>>64087685
There must be another way....

>>64087705
I think I'm just going to not get shot twice. Maybe buy 5 or 6 spares so if I make it home I can swap them out. Or maybe I'll put them in an assault pack so I have level 9000 protection on my back and I can put more up front as needed.

Disown glocktroon and it all ends

>>64087705
>>64087718
Like this only it's plates stacked and not mags.

>>64087720
But I love him

>>64087720
You aren't even causing trouble here it seems like /hg/ are the ones getting affected by this.

>>64087723
Why do you love a thread wrecker?

>>64087718
Excellent. In that case the 4401 or 4403 will do fine, but M855A1 could be a problem if the shot spacing genie doesn't like you. I recommend you pay $3,500 for two LTC 28570s so you can stop M80A1 or M855A1 once or twice at about half the weight. Run faster and longer!
>>64087722
checked.

>>64087728
He started a lovely weekly tradition

>>64087727
arg is so shit that hg’s strongest trolls can’t even do anything

It’s like pissing into the shit bucket

>>64087738
Nobody will ever come close to sheetzo. They can't even match 0.001% of his power.

>>64087731
>$3,500 for two LTC 28570s
That's so many 4401s though. I could even stagger level 3s and soft armor in there to mix up the spacing issues.

>>64087747
What ritual do I need to perform to summon said power

>>64087750
How are you on monkey torture?

>>64087738
This place is an inverted bell curve where it’s either complete retards / low functioning autists profound mental illness, and infrequent use of firearms (99% of tripfags) then on the other side of it are high level posters.
People in the middle either get sorted to one of the two polar ends because or just leave because the retardation is too much to bear.

>>64087766
I like to think I'm both the left, middle, center, and right, on any given subject.

>>64087766
There is genuinely no point in helping anyone, posting new stuff coming out or having a technical discussion here because as anon said, nobody cares. The only purpose of /arg/ is to shitpost with some gun discussion on the side.

>>64087749
>Yes, but it's half the back injuries!
Actually, if we think about it, that's nearly three dozen 4401s that could kinda haphazardly uparmor a car for only 262lb, or several fireteams of men.

>>64087791
Armor autism is inevitable.

>>64087423
>until I see real world proof.
I'm here to tell you that was exhaustively demonstrated a literal decade ago. IDK how you missed the last 10-15 years of firearms discourse but you should read up on it instead of flexing your low rent midwittery.

>>64087828
I agree with this guy. I think it's hypocritical that we can aim around armor to make up for TMK's inability to pierce plates but cannot aim for the vitals to circumvent M855A1's moderate disadvantage in terminal ballistics.
Shot placement is key. M855A1's barrier and armor superiority, coupled with its very good ballistics all around, are why it is THE gold standard of 5.56.
It singlehandedly shut up the 6.8 SPC debate - founded entirely on M855's weaknesses. TMK is better in a magical world where no armor above IIIA exists. Absolutely, but plates are mainstream. Prepare for them.

>>64087353
Nah. Zip em with a string of fire until you hit squishy.

All this talk about what low IQ gun guys have for armor have isn't very productive. Always count on Level IV.

>>64087078
What an interesting coincidence
>>64087093
For me it's the long strokes
>>64087750
Have you ever considered commissioning 3rd world'ers to perform heinous acts against small animals?
>>64087423
Why not shoot them with tracers loaded with white phos? Then you get damage over time

Posting live from a quiet corner of Pisgah National Forest

>>64087490
You don't really pick .308 for its terminal ballistics so much as for the reach and weight. You aren't wrong about is oomf, but its filling a different job then your armalite rifle is in general.

>>64087843
The "but Level IV!!!" issue was discussed exhaustively in >>64087705 and >>64087623. M855A1 can string hits through IV faster than it can through III+ like the LTC 19513 or Militech RF2 SiC, which few people are running relative to basic III that loses to M855A1 straight up or basic IV that lacks the collective multi hit and spacing req of A1-able III+.

>>64087853
.308 is able to pierce whole classes of plates that 5.56 cannot, along with vehicle armor, shields, and other implements.
Terminal ballistics are also savage if you use applicable bullet types. M80A1 is a beast.

M193 is all you need, don't let them tell you otherwise
All you gotta do is click on heads and it's gg
>Muh environmentally friendly green tip tho!!1
Green tip is less accurate and no better in terms of wounding than 193

>>64087856
You need to watch more people die in trenches. You don't get to drill the plate, you maneuver until it's a turkey shoot for one side. This generally applies to firefights, not just trench warfare. There are exceptions to this of course.
>>64087862
No argument from me on the ballistics. Only that it is never a replacement for 5.56.

>>64087882
M193 ain't shit against two pound PE plates. It ain't shit against applique helmets even! Shields! PE shields from Botach!

>>64087888
You don't drill the plate, with M855A1 you just ignore it and don't have to waste shots or waste time aiming around. Sights on center mass, shoot. Fundamentals.

>>64087906
It is still defeated by Level IV. Train with the mindset errbody has Level IV because anyone competent does.

You have it. I have it. Goobers have it. You need to be a knuckle dragger to not aspire for it.

>>64087895
Just click heads

>>64087944
I don't have it

>>64087958
Or the penis region.

>>64087944
As mentioned previously Level IV has a default shot spacing / multi-hit issue. One that M855A1 resolves far better than TMK. Shoot them more.

who are you nerds fighting that is kitted out in full lvl 4 plate?

>>64087980
My tulpa.

>>64087963
One day you will.
>>64087972
Shooting more sounds a lit like drilling the plate anon. Yes, it drills faster I'm sure. But that has little practical benefit m'thinks.

>>64087980
Cohort's gonna fugg the pawlice or sumthin

>>64087980
This is all prep for the raid on Casa de Grip.

>>64087984
You ignore it, shoot until the threat drops. Level IV or not A1 takes less shots than TMK if armor is involved.

>>64087991
Fewer.

>>64087994
Thank you boss

>>64087991
This phrasing is more agreeable, but I think that's more of a dice roll modifier then a capability. If you have m855a1, you are killing it and life and don't let me slow you down.

It just isn't the main appeal of the bullet.

>>64088001
>in life*

>>64087980
I'm fighting the antichrist and zhe/zim has level 666 plate

>>64087980
You.

>>64087980
Yo mama

>>64088001
>>main appeal of the bullet
It is however a main benefit. It degrades armor faster. Lets you worry about it less.
If it were my choice we'd all be using 69gr Nammo Powerball.

>>64088045
>nammo powerball
Very based, I learned lots about bullets this thread.

>>64087991
M855a1 is not some mythical round. Im not saying its bad though, Ive zipped vbieds, cars, and people with belts of 855a1 and m995. These rounds are highly velocity and placement dependent. At close range hit the enemy first and preferably in the face. At longer ranges tmks are better IMO. If you somehow have access to m855a1 or stole some congrats i guess

>>64088056
Absolutely. TMKs are much better for long range precision work, but the buck stops there. M855A1 is the better all-purpose especially in today's armor rich world.

Thanks China.

>>64088055
The tungsten core will give it an edge over M855A1 against cheap Alumina Level IVs and especially against Boron Carbide - which is used in the lightest Level IVs but suffers from amorphization against tungsten core threats. ESAPIs are Boron Carbide. ESAPIs revision A to F will lose to M995 at 3,350ft/s. Powerball is closer to M995 here than M855A1.

Unlike M995, Powerball still has good terminal ballistics so you're not zipping .22 caliber holes through unarmored / drugged-up opfor.

>>64088063
What im saying in a civilian context is that even if i had access to 855a1 id still go with tmks. Up close face shoot. Out far also face shoot but tmks will make it easier. If you have to shoot a plate you better atleast have dominated the enemy with suppression and maneuver first. I fucking swear i never heard of people talking about 855a1 before my little brother and his friends played tarkov.

>>64087034
M855A1 destroys barrels faster than regular 5.56 ammo, not sure if a lot of people know this. If you stock up on M855A1 buy good barrels. Also this round is still a 2-3 MOA round. In my opinion Gold dot or 77gr ammo is a better "general purpose" to stock up for general preparedness

>>64088072
While m995 does a great job of icepicking ive seem some of the wildest exit wounds from that shit. I had a bunch of it because a roadblock i spent alot of time at had it on deck for stopping vbieds. Ive never seen unlinked m995

Defeat level 4 plates with this one simple trick!!!
>Lake City ammo plants hate this!

>>64088075
If you can aim around the plate, do so. The average joe though ain't that good especially under pressure. They will aim center mass and that's where the plate is. Good plates are robust enough that TMKs won't count. They will ignore the hits. M855A1 will.
For what it's worth, and as one example, the Buffalo shooting would have been stopped if the security guard had an AR with M855A1. The shooter's RMA 1092 G1s were not up for that threat. It also would have been stopped if the security guard aimed around the plate. He had a handgun and his training made him default to center mass. An AR with TMKs wouldn't have helped him. A1 would have. Just one example of many. CONUS is armor rich. OCONUS against China will be even richer.
>>I fuckin swear
You are now aware Liberty Ammunition made M855A1 analogues in all calibers up to .338 Lapua, including tungsten 110gr 5.56 subsonic AP and 360gr .338LM, and even an M855A2. See their website from 2007-2013 on the wayback machine.

>>64087699
>1.9m views
sorry I only listen to music no one else has heard of https://youtu.be/o1pIvmDeNcw

Ok but is the Glock 26 still relevant for CCing compared to more modern choices ?

>>64088100
Go back to /hg/ troon

>>64088100
What does this do the G43 doesn't?

>>64088079
Both fail against even $50 steel shitplates

>>64088085
Haven't gotten around to shooting anyone, never fed my M4 anything but tracer and M855 so far while in. Please do share some stories anon. I'm piqued.
>>64088100
A gun in your hand is as relevant as you choose to make it. Kek.

>>64088110
prints

>>64088126
Wouldn’t the g43x print more?

>>64088094
An ar would have made it easier to shoot the perp in the face. I also disagree with conus being armor rich. I have a large social circle including vets and me and my youngest brother are the only people who own level 4 armor. Im sure its common in our “community” and maybe places with more like minded individuals in places like Montana but for johnny in buttfuck wisconsin or st louis its not common. Your avg psa shitter doesnt have it, gangbanger pimp c doesnt have it, ect

>>64088141
yes but how is that relevant

>>64088154
Damn, I was reddit’d

>>64088146
He defaulted to his training under pressure - center mass

>>64088100
I've never carried a pistol, open or concealed

>>64088231
ok

>>64088094
>You are now aware Liberty Ammunition made M855A1 analogues in all calibers
Notably 4.6mm

>>64087944
Jesus fuck this is the 3rd time im trying to type this out. Virtually all of the action i saw was at one roadblock. It was mostly boring as fuck but sometimes it was pretty intense. Once we started getting mortared and while that was happening we began taking pkm fire from one flank and then they rushed us with 2 vbieds. Shit like that happened occasionally but that was the most intense event. One time we successfully hunted a mortar team which was cool. Hadji never wanted to play at night. Only funny shit that happened to me in the military was in bootcamp or fucking with locals or seeing creative ways to try to get drunk.

>>64088100
I carry a Glock 47 with a holosun 507comp, a surefire x300T, and a spare mag.
Why carry little gun when big gun exist

>>64088267
How did you guys deal with the VBIEDs?

>>64088241
You fell off pretty hard, Derek. Not even Sopranos anon bothers to reply anymore. What would you tell everyone that you coast off your parents and girlfriend?

>>64088141
the G43 and G43x and two different guns, retard

>>64088286
oh

>>64088270
>I carry a Glock
Your wrists called, they asked why.

>>64088281
Why did you post this image like what am I supposed to be looking at

>>64088281
Is pastebin and Derek the same person? Pastebin posted a webm of their screen and they were logged into google top right and it was “D”

>>64087078
I don't get it

>>64088321
That's pastebin's packing list.

>>64088115
Wrong. Steel sucks. $50 is straight up fake.

>>64088329
Pastebin's name is Dan he's posted his ID before partially censored.

>>64088374
>>64088329
Hilarious and funny lie

>>64088329
Derek is the overwhites chud. Wait.. coasting off of his girlfriend and parents.. does his last name start with a B?

>64088340
>disinformation campaign
>people just ignore you

>>64088276
Shoot them with m2s, 240s, i shot them with the 249 with m995, i think we hit some with mortars. Shit like be meyers dazzlers didnt work for fuck. There were bradleys up the road but if they really hit us hard i guess we woulda been kinda fucked. Ive posted pictures (not in this general) before but im currently phone posting in a hotel for work. In the next couple minutes im gonna meet a coworker for a drink at the hotel bar and head to sleep after. Honestly, i never really felt scared while shit was popping off. Really only felt dread after shit was over and the adrenaline dumped id get kinda depressed and worried if any boys got hit. Other than a few minor accidents and someone getting grazed by pkm harassing fire we came out unscathed. After my deployment ended i the roadblock was quickly handed off to iraqi police. Only shitty thing was how young some of the enemy fighters were but they were fucking stupid for fucking with us. When i saw enemy dead 80 percent of the time it seemed like older dudes but who fucking knows, sometimes a 30 year old over there looks 80 and other times they look 18. That was my only deployment overseas and i never really saw any of the funny shit or things that compare to some of the stories posted here. I think because we were somewhat regularly seeing some action people took their jobs seriously and were pretty wired in. Even the dumbest motherfuckers got their shit together quick.

I respect a2 but from my experience from how he talks about civilians not understanding how to employ a mg i think thats where he looses cred. Its not fucking rocket science. /rant

Sorry for the blogpost

>>64088329
>>64088340
Holy shit.

>>64088304
I have no problem with it tbqh

>>64088411(me)
Only once did i ever see one of those uparmored vbieds. Usually it was just trucks that would rush us and not respond and then explode into a mushroom cloud after we disabled them. Onetime a sedan got pretty close, the driver followed out instructions at first but luckily the enemy is pretty fucking dumb

>>64088411
>>64088436
go off queen

>>64088411
>I respect a2 but from my experience from how he talks about civilians

A2 is a civilian, fk u on about m8
Look at his sloppy shit

>>64088449
Thanks but thats pretty much it. I dont have time for the story of us maneuvering and killing the mortar team right now. Have a good night

>>64088281
Jannies ban me every time I post, can't post that much anymore.
>>64088329
No.
>>64088417
Pastebin isn't me

>>64088461
You know what i mean faggot. His takes on optics and the technical aspects of carbines are all good to go. He is serious about training but sometimes he is a gate keeping faggot. Nobodys perfect, especially my retarded ass for sharing all of this

>>64088411
Very based. Thanks for sharing.
>got the mortar team
You love to hear it.

Most boring arg thread I've seen in a while

>>64088472
Ok kid I'm not going to burst your little bubble. But you need real connections

>>64088498
I'm going to connect all the way up to your lower intestines you little bitch.

>>64088493
Why would say that

>>64088593
Because no have fun

The 300 cycled subs with a can just fine.
Pretty hyped bros
Now I can dump $30 of subsonic ammo in less than 10 seconds
In silence

>>64088146
>armor rich
Addressing this separately because it's important. Civie-focused armor has been around since the mid-90s. Aside from some plates delaminating and early PE plates degrading above 180 F, armor doesn't go bad. In four months alone (8/24 to 12/24), Highcom's one dealer of many, tacticalshit, sold more than eight thousand 4SAS4s. Highcom has at least five dealers.
There are likely hundreds of thousands of plates in private circulation. It's mainstream enough that you should prep for it.
>>64088359
Still stops either of those rounds and the truck bed liner will hold for a shot or two. M193 at 3,250 will ice them. $50 is typical historic steel plate price. Tacscorp, AR500, predator on sale. They're all ass but that's what fudd people are rolling. Armor's common, but it's at a wide range of quality levels.

>>64088461
Do we have confirmation this is A2 credova warrior and his 80,000 posts since 2016?

>>64088611
Grug not amused

>>64088631
He admitted to it in discord

>>64088411
The dazzlers, were they GLARE MOUTs or something like the GLIS? 100mW is weak by dazzler standards and might be why they were shit. Later models (MOUT PLUS / LA-12 GLIS) were 200mW. Eventually 250mW with the OIS.

>>64088658
Do you have screengrab comrade? I was told a2 is sexy man who trained with chris costa

>>64088677
I wouldn't say sexy but he is a sweetheart and knows how to treat a woman

>>64088677
Those pics are old news, everyone knows that's what he looks like but he still sucks his jannies on me nonstop. The only reason it's still up is because he's not here!

>>64088681
Is pastebin his woman? Is /arg/ 90 day ar15 fiance?

>>64088688
>he still sucks his jannies on me nonstop
So this is 90 day ar15 fiance but with coom.

>>64088696
I don't know anything about pastebin besides what is said in these threads which I take with a grain of salt
I know pastebine and big boss argue with him a lot so I don't think they are friends

>>64088705
No comrade that means married threeway cupple who hatefugg

>>64088708
Cute if true

>>64088708
They do be ganging up on him.

>>64088727
Is this what he spent $600 on a bukkake tactical pry bar that goes up and down for?

>>64088718
owo there is much remoil in the butthole

>>64088730
I'm not sure that that means.

>>64088750
That that means he spent $600 on a single collapsible pry bar

>>64088757
dudes got a mcdonalds franchise and you need a net worth of over a mil to get one. i wonder how many tight sluts he ran thru at hamburger university.

>>64088789
His parents prob do. The only people that mcd franchises are boomers. But like I said, he has rich parents. I know because I too have rich parents. Not rich per se, but my dad's a real hustler, lives and breathes the paper chase

>>64087852
nice

what's the most frankenstein you've ever seen an AR?
is there any benefit from buying parts from the same manufacturer or can you really just grab each part from a different manufacturer and go to town so long as they fit together?

>>64088990
>can you really just grab each part from a different manufacturer and go to town so long as they fit together?

>>64089023
can you?

>>64089026
For the most part, yeah. There's exceptions, but for example, pretty much any bolt carrier will go into any upper. Handguards are different. Every upper/lower can be put together, but the tolerances might not be the best.

>>64089026
yes

>>64089032
thank you

>>64089040
And just little stuff like make sure the gas block is the same diameter as your barrel, most of them are going to be 0.750 unless you get a different barrel which will specify.

The Overwhites hate is genuinely disgusting

not sure when i can try this out. hoping soon

This guy looks like gen Z a2grip

>>64089196
Look at that spare tire buddy has around his gut.

>>64087852

Can you tell me about this gun? It looks great.

>>64089102
Who?

>>64087086
This is giving me flashbacks of stanags being retarded in Afghanistan. Why did they hold on so long when polymer was right fucking there?

>>64087466
That Chinese white label is FINE. It will absolutely function exactly as needed for 99% of use cases for the average civilian. You're not going to hang onto your front plate longer than a couple hits anyway, why spend $800 on it? If all he'll did break out, the likelihood that you'll be fighting an actual military is about zero and the roaming gangs of niggers are shooting PSA's with 7" barrels that tumble like a mother fucker.

im just not gonna wear temu plates

>>64089442
I'll use the extra $700 to buy a new optic, cope.

>>64089442
I'm pretty sure if I flex at the right moment it will stop the bullet so I'm just going to do that.

>>64087690
Pathetic.

>>64089467
Im too respected to be shot at

>>64088813
Just want to point out this post killed /arg/ for a solid hour.

>>64087695
>gets music recs from k
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2iLAubras

>>64089613
I was never good at aura farming

>>64087480
None unless you're hunting/PRS. Buy PMC M193 in the sealed battle packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEbeqEWflMs

>>64087043
based.
Moderate increase in energy at nearly ALL ranges compared to 5.56. easy and cost effective to convert the existing m4 platform, rather than invest in an entirely new system to suck sigs balls.
>This is what we missed out on

Opinions on KAK uppers and lowers? I feel like BCM is starting to get overpriced for their stuff.

just ordered an LE trade-in M&P 15, what am i in for?

>>64089716
Which one?

>>64089699
Lots of people on a certain wevsite seething over their poor quality control lately. Also SOTAR recently checked one of their BCGs it was wildly out of spec. I wouldn’t do it.

>>64089716
If you have a valid CAC or a friend with one, you can buy new for at least $200 cheaper than MSRP. Fyi for next time.

>>64088411
A2 is a civilian with no combat experience and too much theorycraft. He's like one of those WWI generals that didn't understand new doctrines. Very funny

>>64088681
I thought that woman was a tranny, and he was just lovebombing her?

>>64089102
Okay overwhites

>>64089770
>If you have a valid CAC or a friend with one
well I don't. Thanks for nothing.

>>64088730
>>64088730
No but that's hilarious

>>64089326
Lol no it's gonna sit in a closet for five years, then when it comes time to use it either the ceramic is totally delaminated from the backer or the bad guy just shoots the 2" cheat ring on each side.
The family of the deceased will never get the compensation they deserve. Chinese armor company safely outside of US jurisdiction.
>>64089442
Based Hesco enjoyer. Do not buy RMA.

>>64087042

does anyone have any experience with baby ACOGs?

>>64089763
they have great CS though and will take care of any problems u have

>>64089814
Hes like a more dissapointing and less self motivated Lucas.

>>64089985
all of the problems of prism sights with maybe one of the benefits of red dots. the worst part is how tiny the eyebox 'strike zone' is, unless you want to replicate the AUG's 1.5x scope and get tons of raccoon eye

>>64089985
They are bad.
>t. looked through one in gun store and was repulsed.

>>64090004
He knows more than Lucas but less than he assumes he does (relative to known unknowns and unknown unknowns). I prefer his insufferable ego to Lucas' virtue signalling moralizing. They're both gay

I asked before to people who owned both what the glass clarity is like comparing the Primary Arms Slx prism vs any 4x Acog?

>>64090083
glass clarity is a meme on any optic below 10x

>>64090077
A2 has posted more than 80,000 times in ten years

>>64090046
>>64090059
that's too bad
I like prism optics because they're clearer to my eye, but maybe I can just live with blurry red dots and eotechs

>>64090086
P much
>>64090083
I have the 3x micro slx, its good enough to zero at 100 yards but I really don't have anywhere to shoot beyond that.

>>64090095
I too have the stigmatism and am curious about the pa micro 1x prism

>>64090092
So, less then once an hour? Actually, factor in 8hrs of activity on here a day. 2.7 posts an hour on average.

What the fuck are we even paying him for? An Indian can make 50 times that out put for pennies!

>>64090099
I agree we should outsource him to Siggrip

>>64090098
Meh. It's an MRO but all the shortcomings of it are now considered features.

>>64090101
Do not redeem the Eotech saar!

>>64090104
Saar, do not redeem the Nammo Powerballl, you must purchusse Norton 6.8 antivirus with 13" barrel and fucked up thermal to pierce "Level IV" plate $20 from china linry factory thank you saar

>>64089814
>WW1 generals
tbqh he mostly talks about metallurgy, machining, electronics, and other things which broadly fit within that scope.
Generals aren't concerned with what flashlight you have and implying that the higher in responsibility one goes the more they know about minutia rather than trading it out for systems management demonstrates a fundamentally flawed understanding of organizations and responsibility.

who is the one known as big boss?

>>64090118
He talks a lot about breaching tools. He's the grizzled captain who escaped from Outie Heaven the strip club run by Schizo Cabron and Pastebin.

>>64090119
you mean the artist formerly know as Lappingcompound Boresnake?

>>64090110
>6.8 AP ammo
2 weeks out, trust the sig ammo plant
>>64088411
>I respect a2 but from my experience from how he talks about civilians not understanding how to employ a mg i think thats where he looses cred. Its not fucking rocket science. /rant
Until people are shooting lemonade stands and talking guns, they will be a big rifle.

>>64090128
Saaar I need M1184A1 naow china has made better plate they just took existing plate and made it 5mm thicker like ur mum
Entirie prpogram in jeopardie

>>64090131
>Just make it 5mm thicker
Okay lets be serious for a second, just like the first rev xsapis this would be a disaster. Even moreso for the average chinese.

>>64090119
You mean grease monkey?

>>64090134
Okay serious mode. XSAPIs were problematic at first because they had to switch to Silicon Carbide from B4C as used in the ESAPIs to stop M995 / M993 due to boron carbide amorphization. Weight went to 6.5lb for a size medium, which coupled with required soft armor means everyone is running around with Hesco 4401-tier weight to stop 3x M993 @ 3,050ft/s, which proxies for literally no ex-soviet threat.

>>64090149
who cares?

New:
>>64090158
>>64090158
>>64090158

The new thread:
>>64090158
>>64090158
>>64090158

>>64090103
Please explain, i have an mro but really don't like it (blurry as fuuuuck)

>>64090160
me

>>64090134
>for the average chinese
I'm 175ish right now and get plenty sore shoulders from my larp kit so I can imagine what those tiny guys are feeling.

>>64087045
The .308 EPR bullet actually fragments when loaded in 300 BLK which is insane.
>>64087300
>We know sub caliber penetrators are pretty trash post barrier from years of m855 use vs common barriers
The M855A1 was specifically made to address the M855 failures after passing barriers.
If push comes to shove even if the steel penetrator fucks off to do its own thing the copper plug stays on mission and carves a hole in the fucker.
>>64087423
>we did the whole "the harder metal little penetrator means it'll work fine through barriers" thing with m855. I'm not buying that a1 is better at that specific task
Then you're kind of retarded? The A1 steel is indeed harder but M855 had troubles because hits at an angle caused the steel to pinch the copper jacket against the barrier which caused the performance to be inconsistent as fuck because the bullet was already trying to come apart before it even passed the intermediate target. The A1 hits tip first which increases consistency.
You also have the copper base plug which doesn't get turned into confetti like lead.

>>64087043
>>64089680
>heavier
>worse trajectory
>slightly increased recoil
>increase in energy doesn't match increase in mass which means 5.56 still puts out more energy per pound of ammo carried
>SAAMI spec for chamber was submitted with errors in the drawing not once but TWICE which limited performance due to overpressure concerns
Utter retardation. Used with JHPs and a chamber that allows the use of hotter loads without negative effects it's pretty good for hunting or to do security.

>>64090255
6.8 is better against armor than 5.56 but not enough to justify the swap

>>64090095
the dual power RMRs are kinda cool and very clear if you dont mind them being spotty in the dark

>>64090255
>heavier
Lol pussy
>worse trajectory
Still a parabola lol
>slightly increased recoil
5.56 doesn't have any recoil lmao
>increase in energy doesn't match increase in mass which means 5.56 still puts out more energy per pound of ammo carried
Completely irrelevant, why don't we switch to 5.7 for ultimate energy efficiency per pound of ammo carried
>SAAMI spec for chamber was submitted with errors in the drawing not once but TWICE which limited performance due to overpressure concerns
6.8's "limited performance" is still superior to 556 performance.
Nigger

>>64089739
this one
https://www.kingsfirearmsonline.com/shop/uko25-21455-police-trade-smith-wesson-m-p-15-5-56mm-w-quadrail-68705?page=2&category=11#attr=118854,118857,118856,118855,153344

>>64090328
Was there even any testing of steel core 6.8 SPC?
>>64090505
>Lol pussy
Have fun running out of ammo first, or showing up to the fight already fatigued
>Still a parabola lol
More room for error in range estimation and lead
>5.56 doesn't have any recoil lmao
Which means increased hit rate. You have less ammo and miss more. Guess how the fight will end.
>Completely irrelevant, why don't we switch to 5.7
People really think they're smart when they mention 5.7 or .380 ACP vs 9mm.
Higher cost for no benefit. The lower recoil of 5.7 is meaningless in terms of increasing hit rate, it has worse trajectory and flat out worse performance on any given metric. Stuff like 5.56 and 5.45 exist in a goldilocks zone where any attempt to go lighter gives you a shit caliber that can't do real rifle performance, and trying to go any heavier gives you recoil and weight without the performance increase to justify the drawbacks.
If you wanted to make a switch then you'd want something like 5.56 FABRL which is a M193 analogue with lower weight, lower chamber pressure and lower recoil. It just would fail in many aspects past 300 yards, and fail stuff like the helmet penetration test. But at least you get rifle performance out of an anemic load via optimized efficiency. Instead of doing stupid shit like suggesting 5.7 or .22 WMR for an infantry caliber.
>6.8's "limited performance" is still superior to 556 performance
Yet SOCOM saw no advantage in fielding it. Funny how in Afghanistan the fat slower round was not seen as an advantage and the guys who could get contracts to make more 6.8 SPC just replaced it by the weaker 5.56.
At least full power 6.8 with correct chamber and rifling that minimized contact area could be tuned to get back velocity and maximize efficiency with low drag bullets. Using heavy for caliber lead core bullets negates the advantage of SCHV. Congrats, you reinvented 7.62x39 but shittier.