The shortest joke in history: PantSIR

>>64089776 (OP)
Its not great, isnt it?
https://youtu.be/q9CMcfQ8-aw?si=1zSIqVvbmutQFklo

>>64089776 (OP)
DO NOT REDEEM THE PANTSAAR

Can you guys fuck off back to /pol/ already?

>>64089802
>historical video of top of the line AA failing to intercept single drone with 5 missiles
>not weapons related

So they just counter it by flying low enough to set off the proxy fuze against water/ground?
LMAO

>>64089802
>the rostec shill reveals himself
Sorry if this harms sales in the "global south"

>>64089776 (OP)
>no video of the drone impacting the target

so the pantsir did work after all

>>64089813
I think the tiny size of the drone also fucks with the stone age on board missile radar

>>64089821
>ha ha only needed 10 missiles

>>64089809
to be fair, moderation here is really bipolar. my thread of US naval procurement and maintenance issues was deleted for not being weapons related

how literal warships aren't weapons is beyond my intellectual capabilities

>>64089776 (OP)
We clearly see premature detonation of warheads.
I suspect drone is using jamming to spoof Pantsir missiles fuses.
Is this good idea to post such video?

>>64089821
Zisters…

>>64089834
I was gonna eat those, FUCK

>>64089829
>Is this good idea to post such video?
yes, very good video saar

The missiles are just bad. Nothing secret squirrel jamming technology going on

>>64089829
I’m sorry if Russians do fucking retarded they can’t see their missiles prematurely detonating from inside PantSAAAAR, then seeing video from drone won’t help them

>>64089776 (OP)
>in this film for adults there is another character, this is our air defense, he is assigned the role of a silent observer of this sexual act

>>64089776 (OP)
https://youtu.be/H1vywb8Hnpg?t=170

Cant this be solved by giving the pantsir missile a low 0.5 meter vt fuze trigger radius mode to increase the chance of killing very low flying targets?

Infact it is supposed to have a contact fuze mode, why did the operators not have that enabled instead of the default 9 meter vt fuze mode?. How did missile 2 and 3 fly past and detonate behind the drone? What is air defence doing?

>>64089776 (OP)
Gaijin fix the proximity fuse pls.

>>64089898
> Infact it is supposed to have a contact fuze mode, why did the operators not have that enabled
Because missile would miss

>>64089776 (OP)
So what happened? Water surface triggered the proximity fuse?

>>64089898
Most recent westshit is already direct impact (i.e. no proxy fuse), but to puccia that's unknown technology, chinesium chips from smuggled in Ending Man Terminators don't have the processing power, please understand!

>>64089903
what are they games like?

>>64089910
9999999 in 1 cartridge, very good deal!

one on a corvette downed an incoming storm shadow last year when out to sea, which isn't bad.

it seems like slow flying drones are the bane of all sam systems right now.

>>64089809
>top of the line
For 1970 maybe.

>>64089903
>So what happened? Water surface triggered the proximity fuse?
op is a retard.
it's actually gunfire.

>>64089930
It’s the best Axis of resistance has to offer

>>64089932
>>64089915
Here come the ziggers

>>64089910
all the NES stuff. Hated that fucking dog laughing at me.

>>64089932
The other system have problem because of targeting, only that there are more targets than missiles. The only one system constantly missing drones is Pantsir

>>64089813
Guess there are good reasons why modern western interceptors maneuver to attack top down.

>>64089988
The other system don’t have*

>>64089776 (OP)
I always thought it looked so cheap, it looks like an off the shelf truck with the missile system awkwardly slapped on the back.

>>64089776 (OP)
air defense cuck status?

>>64090031
hmm.

>>64089991
Lofted trajectory shaping against low flying targets was utilized since SA-3 Goa. Yeah because of proxy fuse acting against ground.

can someone explain why they always try to destroy air defense sytems in Crimea?
don't they have more annoying systems in the east?

>>64089813
>they just counter it by flying low enough to set off the proxy fuze against water/ground?
It was always problem against low flying helicopters that guy ground at 10ft altitude.
When Soviet SA-8 get mod to deal with helicopters it was optical sight SACLOS guidance option with prox fuse turned off. So missile just rams helicopter like ATGM. SA-19 specifically designed against helis got such fire mode ad well.

>>64090043
>why they always try to destroy air defense sytems in Crimea?
Because russia keeps putting them there?

>>64090043
It doesn’t matter where you destroy a radar or S-300

>>64089910
It's just a Famiclone, they use regular Famicom cartridges. Most commonly they'll be used with bootlegs like that 9999999 in 1 that's just the same five games (e.g. Super Mario Bros) over and over again, sometimes with wacky mods.

>>64090048
>>64090052
>It doesn’t matter where you destroy a radar or S-300
then why don't we see more video of s-300 being destroyed where the Ukrainian actually fly most of their long range drones?

>>64090065
>greater AA and radar coverage
>harder to sneak in drones to take them out
They are just going for easier targets, forcing the russians to replace losses in Crimea by pulling materiel from other regions.

>>64090065
Because it’s harder to destroy systems there?

>>64089776 (OP)
Nice Arma footage pigger

>>64089776 (OP)
It could always be worse

>>64090043
Not only is there good stuff to blow up in Crimea like strike aircraft and munitions dumps, every air defense system moved there to try and protect it after one is lost is one less system to protect a factory or refinery. Why use limited long range precision strike munitions when you can make the enemy bring their shit within range of much less expensive and more easily produced weapons? At the same time it continues to degrade the ability of russia to detect and track Ukranian missiles and planes which makes strikes conducted with those easier.

>>64089776 (OP)
Kek, guess the frag pattern was designed for much larger targets and they don't have the accuracy to compenstate.

>>64089776 (OP)
wasn't the pantsaars developer and lead engineer killed by monke via window disposal? I recall seeing a news segment about it shortly after the war started

>>64090164
designed to shootdown airliners.

>>64090213
Valery Slugin appears to be not dead.

>>64090031
>>64090037
Reminder that they could still gave Volkssturm Panzerfausts and at the very worst Gewehr 71's.

>>64089910
it's a NES clone, had one exactly like this

>>64090031

>>64090228
Makes sense, why wouldn't to optimize for your primary target.

>>64090164
Frag pattern is perpendicular to missile. It is supposed to detonate when target is on the side of the missile. There are barely any frags going into forward cone.
That is the clear case of premature detonation

>>64090313

>>64089802
>no you can't discuss weapons on weapons board
lol lmao cry more zigcel

>>64090031
>>64090037
This "pistol" is also airsoft

>>64089776 (OP)
Only 1 of those missiles actually got close, the rest all had huge miss distances. I'm guessing the radar was struggling to filter the clutter

>>64090568
>the rest all had huge miss distances.
that is 3-4 meters miss distance completely fine for Pantsir warhead but fuse ain't working properly.
>>64090313
>>64090345

>I'm guessing the radar was struggling to filter the clutter
I am 100% sure they tracked target via FLIR Pantsir has.

>>64090591
FLIR has no ranging and those were lofted shots, at minimum they were using the radar for ranging, which still needs filtering. Those were not 3-4 m miss distances, the one that almost hit was 3-4 m

>>64090037

>>64090638
>FLIR has no ranging
the EO unit has an LRF

>>64090465
insanely grim.

>>64090313
>premature detonation
happens to the best of us

>>64090159
I still don't understand why they aren't buying AA help from the Norks at least in Crimea, they have nearly 1000 ZPU-4 batteries alone.

>>64090720
ZPU-4 is really bad at dealing with drones

>>64090989
Explain why

>>64091016
No

>>64091016
what make you think ZPU-4 is good against drones?

>>64091130
It shot down a number of US aircraft and helicopters in SEA.

>>64091141
which were larger and flew at day

>>64091166
What makes you think a smaller target would pose a problem?

>>64090140
Put down the crack pipe, Alenka, that's obviously BF2142 footage.

>>64089910
Absolute 90s slavcore.

>>64089776 (OP)
thats a problem if the missile

however it should tell you A LOT that pantsir can detect such small drones to begin with...

>>64091141
>hitting torso target
>hitting eye silhouette

>>64089813
the slow speed is maybe a factor, if the drone was going faster, it would have been closer to the blast zones. possible not calibrated for such slow speed targets.

The problem they have is that drones have too small a return for the proximity detonation to work reliably. So they've compensated for that by making the system more sensitive (which is normally unwanted, because the missile encountering chaff dispensed by a jet or cruise missile could be set off before actually intercepting the intended target in the chase aspect).

So now the missiles go off prematurely when the target has a suitably different radar return, and that's when they come close enough to the target for the proximity detonation to work. Command guidance is generally kinda shite for this sort of work - if you want to intercept targets smaller than an actual aircraft, you want an independent seeker on your missile for maximum precision in the terminal phase of flight. We'd probably see similarly bad performance by the system against HARM spam.

>>64091176
hmmm, I wonder why Pantsir has no problem shooting down civilian airliners but misses 5 shots against a drone.
If ZU-23-2 doesn't seem to pose much threat to drones, what ZPU-4 can do?

i kbow even shortest joke in histiry - my dick

>>64091130
The many hundreds of them that Ukraine has shot down with ZPUs? Ukraine has shot down thousands of drones with 14.5mm.

>>64090989
No it isn't, it shoots them down daily.

>>64091141
>>64091215
He's full of shit.

>>64091166
>>64091176
>>64091384
ZPU shoots them down all the time as do ZU-23s, everyone saying otherwise is either ignorant or outright lying.

I think it is well established at this point that Pantsir was procured as a joke

>>64091409
yes indeed, they shoot down drones daily. At very low quantities, at great personnel requirements, great ammunition requirement and being easily defeated by sending just few more drones against intended target.
You know what's infinitely better at shooting down drones? Drones

>>64089776 (OP)
It's a glorified exploding bullet with fins for remote steering. No seeker, nothing. But cheap.
If the remote guidance radar can't ping the drone accurately then it can't hit.

>>64090591
Could it be an internal clock timing error?

>>64091434
>very low quantities
Funny way to say 'the vast majority'
>Please stop shooting down our.....I mean Russia's drones!
Go back to /chug/ vatnik.

Time to break out the old script turdies like to use

LMAO STUPID ZIGGERS WASTE ALL THAT MONEY ON TINY DRONE BWAHAHAHAHA

On a more serious note, it's nice to see incoming fire from a drone PoV

>>64091680
>Funny way to say 'the vast majority'
but they aren't? None is claiming they are shooting vast majority of drones, they are quite less effective than drone interceptors

>>64091166
And got shot down just as well over the Ho Chi Minh trail at night.

Below 4500 ft, heavy machine gun fire was hazardous.

>>64091770
Saar your ESL is showing.

>>64091762
>WASTE ALL THAT MONEY ON TINY DRONE BWAHAHAHAHA
I mean the drone went on and hit its target, so it's a waste AND ineffective.

>>64090568
A calm sea is 'clutter'? In this, the year of our lord 1968+57?

>>64089903
>popular computer video game system
How popular was that?

>>64091176
>What makes you think a smaller target would pose a problem?
Because I have an above fridge temperature IQ

>>64091904
>just as well
555_Cmon_Now.jpg

>>64089776 (OP)
Pantshitter

>>64091016
its hard to shoot a small, fast maneuvering target that flies close to the ground using a hand cranked quad barrel AAA gun with iron sights

>>64093165
The majority of videos show drones that are rather slow and at altitudes that should be engaged without much difficulty.

>>64093172
>without much difficulty.

Have you ever shot from ZPU-4?

>>64089834
did it really do any damage cause hitting the kevlar mesh isnt really the same on hitting the radar

>>64090043
because its an easy target, they launch FPVs from relatively close to the shore from sea drones, not something you can do elsewhere

>>64093254
>drone flies directly into spinning radar
>did it do any damage?

S-500 -ACKED in Crimea

>>64093323
Global south bros...

>>64093254
There are massive holes in radome from previous attacks, there’s no Kevlar mesh to protect it

>>64093333
you can clearly see the holes anon and it didnt fly into any of the holes

>>64093358
there's burning on the other side of radome, I don't know what you're trying to argue anon, that somehow radar was spared from shrapnel?

>>64093399
the fuck you saw burning?

>>64093406
>the fuck you saw burning?
Anon, we're watching same video, do you think you have some reality denying warp ability that can change what happens?

>>64089834
So the radar domes of Red Alert are based on real life? Cool

>>64093172
The guy is full of shit, don't bother to respond. ZUs and ZPUs shoot down dozens of drones every day and he knows it, he is just out right lying. The vast majority of Gerans are intercepted with these systems, including those launched at night.

>>64092740
Everyone I know had one. Only like the one rich kid had a PS1. We were all brokies in the 90's.

>>64093358

Even if the drones don't fly through a hole, if they detonate on the mesh and blow a hole inwards, wouldn't the schrapnel destroy the rader?

>>64093415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radome

>>64089903
>9999999 in 1
>terminator
man, that's a blast from the past, i think i had that exact model

>>64089910
>what are they games like?
this>>64089942
with a lot of mods, i remember several versions of mario with changed jump height, from double to ridiculous levels

>>64089898
Air defense is busy being a cuckold, duh

>>64090031
Not even shotguns lmao did they forget how to build a ks23? I feel like that would be ideal

>>64089903
So...are we talk about shit that might actually be worse than a WW2 probity Fuze? With vacuum tubes and shit?

>>64094344
The original VT would airburst, current missiles capable of low-altitude interception need a more complex proxy fuze that was state of art during the 1960s (the late variants of the RIM-8 Talos was the first missile capable of that)

>>64094308
battlecity fuck yeah

>>64090989
Date: 16 June 1969
Aircraft type: F-105D Thunderchief
Serial Number: 60-0530
Military Unit: 354 TFS, 355 TFW
Service: USAF
Home Base: Takhli
Name(s):
1Lt James L Devoss (Survived)
A flight of F-105s was sent to attack a cluster of three 14.5mm gun sites that had been pinpointed near the town of Ban Ban in northern Laos. 1Lt Devoss (call sign Kingfish 01) was making his first strafing run on the target when his aircraft was hit at 3,000 feet by return fire from the guns. He left the area and flew back towards Thailand but was forced to eject from his aircraft near Ban Thasi, 35 miles north of the Thai border. He was later rescued by a HH-53b helicopter from the 40th ARRS having suffered a broken leg and arm during the ejection. F-105D 60-0530 was painted as ‘Tandem Turtle’ when it flew with the 34th TFS.

>a system not designed for C-UAS is bad at C-UAS
shocking

>>64093437
Such was life in former eastern block. For us degenerate westies original PlayStation was cheap almost from the get go. 8 and 16 bit consoles took much longer to become cheap. For us all the NES/Famicom, SNES and Mega Drive bootleg consoles are all obscure.

can't security operatives just punch it out of the sky before it gets too close?

>>64094675
>we hit a 10 times larger target flying directly at us, it means we counter drones!!!

>>64091680
>>64091908
have you ever thought for a second why increase in number of drone launched didn't prompt any more investment in such guns? It's either investment into highly sophisticated guns like Skyshield or into drones.
Do you wonder why your believes do not correlate with reality?

>>64094850
> manuvering F-105 moving at 400 plus knots
vs
>drone moving at a crawl, flying a straight and level, predictable flight path.

>>64094908
So, when that's going to materialize? Russia has thousands of ZPU-23 yet they don't seem to be shooting down anything, whole Russian fleeting hiding in novorossiysk with their AK-360, ZPUs and such tried to repel drone attack on industrial enterprise there and failed

>>64094962
>So, when that's going to materialize? Russia has thousands of ZPU-23 yet they don't seem to be shooting down anything
Russians are giving air rifle and airsoft pistol to security guards to counter drones.>>64090031

Russia is peak "not my problem". I remember watching MTLB's with zu-23 mounted on them being used for ground support instead of shooting down drones in 2022-2023. So they probably wasted all the good zu-23 guns in storage.

>Russian fleet
Has the russian fleet done anything except spam missiles and then die?

>>64094995
>the "sight" is fixed on the mount and doesn't actually move with the elevation
>it's just a crudely made crosshairs with no counterpart, front or rear

It always amazes me how much of a retard the average Russian boomer must be, because this is some Kantanka tier subsaharan African propaganda.

>>64094877
But it has? Ukraine has been busting it's ass to pull them out of storage and refurbish them for truck mounted use for years. There are even modernization programs to power them and mate them with MANPADS, people like Serbia even export systems like that.

You keep saying they don't work but the people who use them shoot down dozens of drones with them daily, reality seems to have a bias against your opinion.

>>64094995
>>64094962
Russia isn't defending anything with them and utterly lack a national tracking and warning system like Ukraine has, if they just used them and copied Ukraine's warning app it would be a dramatic help to them. Of course to mobilize it's citizens like that it would have to admit there was a war and more importantly it's people would have to actually care.

>>64095169
>But it has?
Really? So when Russia started launching several hundred Shaheds and Gerberas did government announced large investment into buying more of such guns and more modernization or did they announce investment into drone-interceptors. Did Zelensky go and have meeting with owner of firm refurbishing those guns or ex-Google guy making interceptor drones? Did large fundraises were made to buy and refurbish more of such guns or to build more and more interceptor drones?
>but the people who use them shoot down dozens of drones with them daily
why but? They are intercepting dozens of them, which is why I said they are lacking, they have to intercept hundreds, they can't.
This is why there's huge investment into drones and not them
>reality seems to have a bias against your opinion
if reality was biased against me there wouldn't be such huge drive to scale up shahed-interceptor production, because those guns would be enough and there wouldn't be need to have hundreds/thousands interceptors a day

>>64095676
Everything you said it true: Ukraine invested a huge amount of effort to bring back 14.5mm and 23mm guns, mounted them on trucks and in coordination with their drone reporting app are shooting down huge numbers of them.

>why but? They are intercepting dozens of them, which is why I said they are lacking, they have to intercept hundreds, they can't.
This is why there's huge investment into drones and not them

It's called layered defense, if you don't understand the concept then you have no place commenting on it.

>if reality was biased against me there wouldn't be such huge drive to scale up shahed-interceptor production, because those guns would be enough and there wouldn't be need to have hundreds/thousands interceptors a day

See above statement, you are really reaching now.

The simple fact is if Russia had even a fraction of Ukraine's low level air defenses protecting critical targets or just hired the Norks they would be suffering much lower losses. They aren't and no amount of Zigger whining will fix that.