Thread 64101502

People have said it has some feeding issues. Which brands don't ever have problems?

>>64101502 (OP)
polish feeding ramp
test your own guns limits at the range where you would practice with it
don't strike plates with full copper or aluminum rounds due to ricochet hazards (don't trust angled plates inside 30feet in that situation either)

>>64101502 (OP)
What this guy said >>64101521
You have to test every ammo with YOUR firearm
Even with revolvers to see how well they eject

And that's not even getting into point of impact and grouping

I'd advise against polishing at this point if you don't know this yet, you could potentially do more damage than good

bumpo

>.380
Unironically just use ball ammo, it's perfectly adequate at that weight& velocity

>>64102304
>>.380
>Unironically just use ball ammo, it's perfectly adequate at that weight& velocity

Do not listen to this retard. .380 ball ammo can and will overpenetrate and endanger anyone or thing behind what you're shooting at (assuming you're shooting at an average sized human being). If you don't believe me, believe Paul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3gpJ-GAy0
Use a hollow point that actually expands out of a short barreled .380. OR use the screw driver rounds. But whatever you do, do NOT use regular ball ammo for self defense, you're risking lives of innocent bystanders.

>>64102364
People aren't bags of citrus. In real life shootings .380 ball is usually found inside the clothing of the person shot or within a few feet of them. It does not have the energy to be dangerous after hitting a target. Meanwhile JHP in .380 is an absolute shit show of either not expanding and performing the exact same as FMJ or expanding and under penetrating massively.

>>64102392
i was going to make fun of the other guy for being a midwit effortposter but you are absolutely insane if you think .380 is going to be stopped by clothes.

Speer Gold Dot cycles in mine very well

>>64102392
380 is just slightly necked down 9mm, if you were gonna carry FMJ 32acp or 25acp then I wouldn't argue against that but the potential for 380 over penetration is very much there.

>>64102404
Bullets being trapped within the back layer of skin or clothing on exit is a fairly common phenomena, that just shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Clothing is a lot better at stopping a bullet when the things going 200fps and it isn't using a body as a backer that keeps it from moving.
>>64102431
>Words words words
I get that you FEEL like that should be the case anon, but that isn't how things work in real life. .32 and .25 are an absolute shit shows when it comes to getting adequate penetration in the first place and .380 ball is completely fine for carry use.

>>64102431
>380 is just slightly necked down 9mm,
no it is not. Its the exact same diameter bullet, just shorter & lighter.
>>64102452
>Bullets being trapped within the back layer of skin or clothing on exit is a fairly common phenomena
if its common surely you have a single source to back this up? 380 is around 900 fps BTW, not 200

>>64102392
>.380 ball is usually found inside the clothing of the person shot or within a few feet of them.

Cite your sources for this.
Otherwise your words mean nothing, and "source : my ass" "source : it was revealed to me in a dream"

>>64102466
You do realize that bullets don't magically retain their muzzle velocity after traversing a whole ass human body front to back, don't you?

I'm on mobile and have a flight to catch in a bit here, but I also have a copy of Vincent di maio's excellent practical aspects of gunshot wounds(should be required reading for these threads IMO)

Pages 304, 331, 363 all contain mentions of bullets exiting a body and being retained by clothing, if I can be assed to later I'll see if I can't find the exact mentions of this being more common with .380 vs other calibers. If you ggogle the book you can get your own PDF version for free, guy unironically participated in thousands of autopsies and has some interesting nuggets of information even if the book is largely about the forensics end of things

>>64102364
Do not listen to this retard. Ball ammo has appropriate penetration and wounding.

>>64102364
Not a single so-called innocent bystander, ever in the history of self-defense shooting by handguns, has ever been seriously injured or killed by an "overpenetrating" bullet of any chambering.

semi related, convince me not to grab a bodyguard 2.0
Kel Tec P32 is my current EDC but fuck the bodyguard looks good without being that much bigger

>>64102364
I heard Hornady Critical Defense is best. About 14" penetration depth and it expands

>>64102452
>.32 and .25 are an absolute shit shows when it comes to getting adequate penetration
they penetrate just as much as the common 9mm hollow points

>>64102660
CD doesn't do that in .380, it under penetrates like just about anything else, the only decent JHP loads in .380 are hydrashok deep and some xtp loads. The xtp loads are very mercurial though I've seen ones with less than 100fps velocity difference perform wildly differently

>>64102710
https://www.luckygunner.com/hornady-380-acp-ammo-for-sale-380auto90ftxhornady-25

>>64102633
>Do not listen to this retard. Ball ammo has appropriate penetration and wounding.

If by "appropriate" you mean "has a fair chance of overpenetrating and doing damage to things you don't want to actually damage"; then sure, it's appropriate.
I've provided a source for my stance here. You've provided nothing of value to show I'm wrong.

>>64102640
Never EVER?!
For REALLY REAL?
You Promise??!!

Oops. No. You're another fucking retard.
https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/the-misunderstood-matter-of-bullet-overpenetration/

https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/reloading/massad-ayoob-the-dangers-of-over-penetrating-bullets?origin=serp_auto#google_vignette

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/eastern-market-shooting-killed-2-men-ruled-self-defense-no-charges-filed

And that was about a minute or two of googling.
Over penetration is a real thing that really happens and kills or seriously injures real people that really are innocent bystanders.

>>64102660
>I heard Hornady Critical Defense is best. About 14" penetration depth and it expands
Just remember to run it in YOUR gun to make sure your particular firearm will reliably function with it.

And what is good range ammo?

>>64102734
>Cleargel
Meaningless

>>64102740
Fair enough, I would still carry ball in 380. I highly doubt it had enough energy to go through someone's head and then through another person's head. I'm surprised 9mm has enough velocity to accomplish that feat to be honest, and I'm guessing that was the round used in the Detroit case.

>YOULL OVER PENETRATE
>DISREGARD ITS A FLIPPIN GUNFIGHT
>THINK OF THE OVER PENETRATION

>>64102908
>Fair enough, I would still carry ball in 380.
"I don't mind endagering other people's lives if it means I save a few dollars on ammo. I mean, why would I spend maybe a hundred bucks TOPS to mitigate a known risk and help minimize the danger to those around me when I can just be a lazy asshole?"

>>64101502 (OP)
I want to try out the g9 external hollow point in it but its pricey and almost never in stock
honestly ball is not a bad choice for a defensive 380, hollowpoint is going to struggle with expansion, and if it expands it will struggle with penetration

>>64102938
You just know

>>64103016
she should be more worried about over penetration, mr. hands died that way

>>64103007
>honestly ball is not a bad choice for a defensive 380

Ball IS a bad choice for a defensive .380.
See
>>64102364

>>64103074
I did see that, and it was obviously written by a 'tard, so I ignored it

>>64101502 (OP)
Sell that foidslop and get a gen 3 glock 19 like a normal person

>>64103093
So despite all the evidence to the contrary you don't think .380 fmj has a pretty good potential to overpenetrate and do damage to things you don't want damaged?

How far on the autism spectrum is this guy? Let it go man.

>>64103153
correct

>>64103153
NTA, but I do not care about overpentration, at least within the context of normal defensive calibers. In the infinitesimally small chance that I find myself in a defensive shooting, I am willing to accept the exponentially smaller chance that 1. one or more rounds passes through the target (i.e. ignoring risk of rounds missing the target), and 2 there is someone behind the target that I was not aware of, and 3 the person is someone I do not want to harm, and 4 the round is still carrying enough energy to still do serious harm, and 5 it actually hits the person and does serious harm, and 6 all things considered different ammo would have been sufficient to change the outcome. I could see if you were talking about using 20mm DU rounds for self defense, but with any common handgun caliber the risk of harm from overpenetration is so exceedingly small compared to all of the other ways the situation could go wrong it's not worth thinking about.

Whoa, careful there. You're going to make it sperg out again! Your caliber, HIS choice.

>>64103153
>be sure of your target and whats behind it
defensive shootings are very likely to have missed shots, you shouldn't be depending on the bad guy to catch all the bullets in the first place
I would much rather have fmjs passing through my target than a HP getting stopped early by bones

It is one thing if the retard was saying 12ga sabot tungsten slugs over-penetrate. But a .380? C'mon.

Also ball ammo or jacketed soft point for everything.

>>64101521
>>64101810

Only some with a manufacturing defect need to be polished. Some have a ledge on the feed ramp which catches some bullets. If you just look at your gun it will be very obvious if you have it or not. If you're buying a bodyguard 2.0 just lock the slide back and look at the ramp before you buy it. It will be extremely obvious.

>>64102889
cope

>>64104009
> stopped early by bones
retard

>>64107110
>Draw on bad guy
>He puts his arm up
>Shot passes through arm, expands and slows down
>Hits chest
>Catches on clothing
>Lodges in rib cage
I wouldn't claim it's probable, but it's plausible

>>64107444
Schizo fantasies

>>64107708
Putting up your arm is a natural reaction to danger

>>64101502 (OP)
115gr Critical Defense. They'll feed through anything.

Looks like Federal Train & Protect is good. He tested the Hornady Critical Defense in ballistics gel and it didn't expand

https://youtu.be/PJC9YAB5pQ0?si=s6XH_aFsfBdUWg_z

>.380 auto
>defensive ammo choice
lol you got meme’d. with .380, you have to choose between expansion and penetration. There are some brands that can compromise and give you marginally acceptable metrics on expansion and penetration. Critical defense penetrates ~13” in gel on average. Check out lucky gunners chart for handgun defensive loads. Just don’t listen to this inbred moron >>64102304

>>64102364
Overpen is a complete meme - never been a prosecution over it.

>>64109928
>you have to choose between expansion and penetration
Okay so I choose penetration ie. ball ammo

>>64102621
>Vincent di maio's excellent practical aspects of gunshot wounds
Thank you for the book recommendation, Anon.

>>64109938
>I live out in the middle of nowhere and therefore don’t care about over penetration

>>64110063
>>I live out in the middle of nowhere and therefore don’t care about over penetration
Yes. Seethe and writhe in the knowlwdge you will never know peace and quiet

>>64109938
>never been a prosecution over it.
>i don’t care if if my shots damage property, hurts or kills a person or pet, as long as i hit my target
Unironically nigger behavior. Kys Tyrone.

>>64110077
>he doesn’t know that wealth and status can shield you from niggers like (You)

>>64107444
Good thing you would be shooting him 10 more times

>>64108541
I hate it when a guy puts his arm up and I accidentally hit it 11 times in a row, preventing me from defending myself.

>>64110086
>the cityfag must live in his cutthroat rat race to have what cleetus in the sticks gets passively
pottery

>>64110081
>caring about property damage or pets in a kill or be killed situation

>>64101502 (OP)
Why doesn't this color scheme exist?

>>64102304
No. You use ball for self defense with .32 acp and below, retard

>>64110703
>city
Wrong

>>64110717
>nigger being a shameless nigger
Typical behavior

>>64110899
>why no gay colors
Trump cancelled wokeness.

>>64110703
Hey Cletus is my dog

>>64111540
>dog owner
So not only are you a city slicker but also black

>>64101502 (OP)
Just get a 9mm Glock or something

>>64110318
>>64110324
Nothing personal, kid

>>64101502 (OP)
All guns need a break-in. Start with a few boxes of whatever .380 FMJ is cheap, then buy a box of the least exotic shaped hollow points (Winchester for example) and if they run well stick with that. The effectiveness of boutique hollow points is very overstated in small carry guns, and since the Bodyguard has a relatively high capacity you'll be getting more rounds on target anyway.

>>64112128
Do you get paid to shill or do you do it for free?

bumpo

>>64102734
That’s with NO clothing barrier. Add a layer of denim for something closer to real world performance.
2.75” barrel: 17” of penetration with NO expansion
3.8” barrel: 11.5” of penetration with expansion
https://youtu.be/0V10JooU8Qw?si=KECyp4J9V5RWyKfS

>>64113584
yeah, I did see that guy's video later. Looks like the Federal Train and Protect is best for the Bodyguard >>64109899

bumpo

>.380 is too weak for self defense
>but it'll over penetrate and kill 300 people!!!!
Penetration is what causes bleeding and incapacitation, not "dumping energy" or expansion.

>>64116179
>intentionally conflating fmj with defensive loads
shalom

>>64112153
>Benas

bump

>>64112128
A gen 3 by chance?

>>64102643
Get one, anon. You'll be upgrading to .380, it's not a tiny-pocket carry (if that's how you're carrying P32 rn) but pocket holsters are available for the Bodyguard 2.0 and also belt/IWB. It's barely larger in size (~half-inch taller, longer) but not much heavier, and you can full grasp it with 3 fingers, the first micro carry handgun that can be deployed in mag-reload gunfights.

>>64102364
>>64103153

>>64123645
retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3gpJ-GAy0

>>64124202
I would hope bullets could penetrate a bag of groceries

>>64124254
>I would hope bullets could penetrate a bag of groceries
said the bag of groceries