Thread 64431354

From what I understand it's larger than the entire European submarine fleet. But what would you say it's efficacy would be in a global war? Indeed would you say the efficacy of submarines has declined in general as a result of the development of drones. That new unmanned British sub comes to mind. Still there fleet does seem extremely impressive.

Its efficacy is piss given the fact that they're puccian submarines, manned by puccian "men".

>>64431354 (OP)
Are it's subs too old? From what I know they are a mixed bag

>>64431366
Well that doesn't seem like a deep analysis. It seems that you may have something lodged in your anus. Your boyfriends cock perhaps? Aren't the Ohio class old hunks of shit?

>>64431375
>zigger
>can't go one second without thinking about dicks and asses
Every single time.

>>64431398
I'm a zigger because I want a discussion on russian subs?
Go on then tell me why the great zogger superpower of the USA is still using the Ohio's then?

>implying OP
>shit attempt at another bad faith thread
>iT iS oN tOpIC!

What humiliation has puccia suffered this time?

OP is attempting to spread Russian influence, everyone should counter this thread and not respond in the basis of “on topic”, which can still be bad faith if it amplifies Russian narratives

Which one is the one the blew up?

>>64431354 (OP)
They are a major threat, to maritime ecosystems.

>>64431559
The yasen class are as modern as anything the Europe has frankly I don't know what happened to k why are you such cock riders of the USA and bitches?

In any case the Yasen only came into commission in the 2010s and are nuclear powered. Standard stuff but more modern than say the Astutes

>>64431354 (OP)
Food for the 34 planned Type 26 frigates (along with any Arrowhewd 140s going ASW) and sub hunters other NATO

>>64431354 (OP)
It's not impressive when you know how old it is and how shit most of these boats were when they were designed and how badly they degraded over a short period of time. But the russians mostly hold their attack submarines back and maintain a defensive perimeter around their SSBNs. A small number of nuclear attack submarines play a role in denying access to their bastions by extending out into the SLOCs. This theoretically serves the purpose of breaking enemy formations before they enter a bastion's outer layer. The kilo class submarines were intended for littoral waters like the black sea and the white sea but not sure what they're using them for now. Most of the russian subs are inherited from an empire that had very different intentions for them and had a much larger pool of manpower. But the only nuclear attack submarines they have that are up to modern standards are the yasen class subs, which could do a lot of damage if they're sent out rather than being held back to protect the boomers. Everything else is too loud compared to the competition. They just don't have the resources to mass produce Yasens like the soviets could with the victor 3s. They're also having trouble decommissioning old vessels.

>>64431559
>yet another bad fait zigger thread
>zigger falseflags yet another post out of spite
I'm beginning to see a pattern.

>>64431698
Type 26 are cool and all. But there best feature is that they are British

Russian naval ambitions are impossible to understand. Why do they need so many subs? Why do they need any SSGNs when they've never even tried to project force anywhere outside of cruise missile range from Russian territory? Why do they need subs in the Black Sea? Why do they need battlecruisers at all when every other country on the planet knows they're a useless waste of money? Why haven't they scrapped the Kuznetsov yet? Why did they build the cabbage at great expense and then leave it anchored at even greater expense for decades before scrapping it without ever putting out to sea? On paper they're still the second strongest navy in the world, but none of their shit works and anything that miraculously does is on the verge of breaking. They'd be far better off if they had scrapped 70% of their fleet in the 90s and focused on maintaining and modernizing a much smaller navy.

>>64431951
It's mostly face and legacy, but it's like most copes, it's merely modestly stupid instead of insane once you factor in the historical legacy gear and domestic/strategic imperatives.

They used to have a massive navy. It had a strong tech base due to national history. It's where educated military men went so it had political status, and it wasn't as degraded or politicized as the land troops because it wasn't a threat to the center. It's where nuclear reactors went. It still is where SLBMs go. So they weren't about to throw it all away because of a national collapse when their traditional rivals are all about sea power. That would take too much insight. They simply conserved what they felt was important and valuable.

I do kinda wonder about the future of russian subs. It is obvious that those will suffer more and more technical failures over time, and soon enough russia can't afford even the barebones maintenance they have been doing to extend lifespan of soviet tech.
Interesting times ahead when russian subs will start randomly sinking all over the place.

>>64431986
No, they conserved absolutely everything that didn't literally fall apart, and continued making more crap, sometimes without even retiring old crap to make room. They should have kept 3-5 SSBNs, a few Kilos, and about half of their surface fleet, retiring everything larger than a destroyer. Maybe they could keep one Slava as the flagship of the Northern Fleet. Everything else should have been sold off, then maybe they would be able to afford maintenance and training and avoid shit like the Kursk. If things were actually going well then, and they could expand without depleting their funds, they could buy one or two of the helicopter carriers they were about to get from the frogs before their first chimpout in Ukraine.

>>64431951
I disagree with much of this. Submarines are just about the only warship that makes sense in the arctic since it can go under the ice. As for there air craft carrier it has been important in projecting Russian power in the Mediterranean as well as on a purely theoretical basis. In the case of the battle cruisers and there air craft carrier for that matter. They are product of the soviet union. So the Russian federation didn't try and build them they were legacy ships and why get rid of them.
In any case as with much else it seems more disposable and drone operated vehicles will be the mainstay in the future. HMS Excalibur for instance..

>>64432053
Hay tonnes of subs means tonnes of spare parts. Jprsn

>>64432057
The kursk happened immediately after the fall of the USSR near enough. So I don't think that was the problem there. In any case keeping this stuff around is good because it means you have easy access to spare parts.

>>64431354 (OP)
the admiralty is pretty stupid given the way theyve lost a bunch of subs recently and recent accidents.

They eed to cut the sub numbers down and focus on training good crews and officers and not suffer the same slav mafia slop tier cargo cult prison culture.

>>64431951
Submarines have been the primary means of Russian naval power since the USSR. They were never going to be strong enough to launch fighter jets over I-95, but a fuck load of submarines could take out aircraft carriers and ships carrying reinforcements to stop a zerg rush in Europe

>>64432085
>Submarines are just about the only warship that makes sense in the arctic since it can go under the ice.
Why do they need to go under the ice? There's nothing under there.
>As for there air craft carrier it has been important in projecting Russian power in the Mediterranean as well as on a purely theoretical basis.
No, it's been a massive waste of money for them for thirty years, and it broke down almost immediately when they tried to use it in the Mediterranean (immediately after being refit and modernized), and needed to be towed home long before they left the area.
>In the case of the battle cruisers and there air craft carrier for that matter. They are product of the soviet union. So the Russian federation didn't try and build them they were legacy ships and why get rid of them.
Because they're spending tens of millions of dollars they don't have every single year on them, and can't afford the billions of dollars it would cost to maintain them properly, and get absolutely no value out of them.

>>64432099
Kursk happened a decade after the fall of the USSR. Sure, you can blame the USSR for it partially since their maintenance standards weren't any better by the end, but the point I'm making is that Russia should have fixed that shit when they ended up with practically the entire Soviet fleet with a fraction of the available funding.

>>64432121
The surface fleet is even worse off, if anything.

>>64432164
Taking out aircraft carriers and stopping a zerg rush in Europe are not viable goals for the Russian Federation. They are not a global power and haven't been for their entire existence. They should have been focusing on projecting power within their sphere of influence, which ends at China, Turkey, and Poland. If Russia hadn't been such a fucking joke, Ukraine wouldn't have started talking about joining NATO in the first place.

>>64431354 (OP)
>2018 chart
Since then the Losharik caught fire, one Kilo got merked by Ukraine, the Sierra Is retired, the Sierra IIs entered eternal refit, the Typhoon and some of the Deltas retired, the Akulas are down to 4 active, the Victors down to 1 or 2. But, add four more Borei and four more Yasen.

Maybe post-Soviet brain drain didn't hurt the submarine world as badly as it did aviation, nuclear, and other industries with civilian applications in the West. That and almost all of it was retained in Russia and wasn't lost to other successor states.

>>64431687
Yasen and Borei essentially still using the same PG-141M motor on the improved Kilo for actual "stealth" mode, so more or less limited to 8 knots. Any attempt at high speed maneuver would require switching over to the GTZA OK-9VM main turbine, the same on the Akula, that's is definitely neither modern or even survivable against modern NATO ASW.
Some pretty good read from Bruce Rule, in case you are too much of a newfag

> https://pub10.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=774301397&frmid=32&msgid=1356633

Ofc, reusing the PG-141M isn't by any mean a bad choice, since russia is poor, and developing a whole new silent turbine capable of silent high speed transit would likely bankrupt the whole state, without even taking into account the embezzlement. A logical choice based on old soviet thinking ""Better is the Enemy of Good Enough".

And Borey and yasen still won't be an easy prey to locate in their low speed stealth mode, but at 8 knots, with proper planning, even modern SSK like U-212A can take over the tailing with of yasen or borei, since they are well known to be capable of 6-7 knots for 3 weeks fully submerged.
And certainly yasen and borei are nowhere near the same league as seawolf or virginia, both are known to be running silently at 15 knots minimum.

>>64431687
And yet they’re only about as quiet as early 688’s.
Curious.

Plus, you know, Russian navy.

>>64431465
>Ukraine strikes at least two chemical/ammo plants. Flamingoes may have been involved.
>Trump cancels Budapest meeting with Putin, Rubio cancels call with Lavrov
>Ukraine publishes letter of intent to buy many Gripens. Good will is so high that not even the Swedes breaking out celebratory lutefisk can dampen the mood.
>Vid gets posted of Russian bike assault. Smoke was deployed. Things go...slapstick. See attached.
>Hyperdimensional Superfortresses of Pokrovsk, Lyman, Kupyansk still standing despite premature proclamations of Russian victory.
>Russians announce new drone-hunting units: turboprops with guns bolted to the bottom. Mocking ensues.
>To add insult to injury, Ukraine releases footage implying they OSINTed the location of the turboprops and struck them with drones.
>EU still going to send loan of billions of Euros to Ukraine backed by frozen Russian assets.
I think that's everything from the past day or two.

>>64432218
> https://archive.navalsubleague.org/2014/estimated-propulsion-characteristics-of-the-new-borey-class-russian-ssbn

Overall, considering the financial situation of modern russia, they actually did what they could, at least with regard to their nuclear subs. It's still wholly outclassed by any NATO sub designs after 1985, but still capable of keeping their analysts and intelligence up at night

>>64432271
>Ukraine strikes at least two chemical/ammo plants. Flamingoes may have been involved.
Storm Shadow, apparently.
>>64431975

>>64432085
>why get rid of them.
Because they're of dubious value and expensive as shit even when they're just tied to a dock rusting.

>>64432327
Perfidious Boris Johnsons.
How typical, бяaль

>>64431815
>cries that countering Russian influence is a “false flag”
You don’t even know English lmao
Get the FUCK out

>>64431951
Very little about the Russian MoD will make sense until you accept that military utility isn't even in their top five priorities.

>>64432402
No, badly faking anti russian posts is though, but you already know that, OP.

>>64431354 (OP)
>HONHON HON!
>BORK BORK BORK!

>>64432186
SSBNs, because the entire point of an SSBN is to be hidden and its a lot easier to hide from satellite and air observation when there is meters of ice above you, but they can still fire from underneath the ice.
Also allows for a safer and shorter route for a sub to the pacific, and a safer route to the open atlantic, as, for the former, the other route would be to go around africa, since russias naval assets have to be broken up into multiple seas/oceans, and for the latter, it would keep them safe from aerial ASW and aerial monitoring.

>>64432552
I still say they should have just stolen that sub. What's Russia going to do, threaten to cut off all the gas they send to France?

>>64432569
Fuck man, we're never hear the end of their endless chimping out. It'd be like pump and dumping a bipolar cunt

>>64432099
>The kursk happened immediately after the fall of the USSR near enough. So I don't think that was the problem there.
Soviet submarines were well known to sink under their own power throughout the cold war. Soviet nuclear sub designs and maintenance programs were just as piss poor back then as they are now

>>64432271
Don't forget
>US has sanctioned Russia's 2 largest oil/gas producers
>Ukraine signed letter of intent with Bell-Textron for the Huey and Viper helicopters

>>64432327
>>64432271
>>64432585
Can you tourist niggers keep your current habbening gooning out of a potentially good thread about russian/soviet submarine tech just for once ?
Fuck off back to chug or uhg, to your own liking

>>64431986
What are you on about? The Russian Navy has always been a a joke

>>64432479
>I was only pretending to be retarded
Haha, keep dreaming loser. Pathetically crying when people talk about countering Russian influence gives you away too easily. The only good vatnik trolls went to Bakhmut corpse pile, so now we’re left with you..

>>64431951
For the Soviet Union, the surface fleet existed more or less to screen their SSBN bastion up north from NATO subs and ASW aircraft, and try to force landings in Denmark. It was almost definitely gonna fail in both cases. The submarines were to pull a Germany and harass cross-Atlantic shipping before it could reinforce/feed the Euros with ammo. For the Russians, it's a way to launder money for their next yachts, that's about it. I actually read Admiral Gorshkov's assembled works a ways back, and was really let down. He'd been sold to me as the brilliant naval mind that was gonna make the Soviet Navy a true blue water force to match the USN, but all I got is that he was a delusional retard that sucked off the red army of WWII every three pages and seethed about the American island-hopping campaign. Also, obligatory vatnik assertion of 'achksullly, the Battle of Trafalgar wasn't that important compared to the Russian Army!'

>>64432568
I'm not saying they shouldn't keep a couple of SSBNs around. But they've got no hope of screening other countries' boomers so why maintain dozens of attack subs?

>>64431375
>Aren't the Ohio class old hunks of shit?
Theyr'e not but why would you think that?

>>64432271
Also:
>Everyone is starting to realice Flamingos can perform as good as tomahawks for Total Refinery Death
When you figure this out Zelensky :sadface: after the last meeting starts to look more like "why my old man Donnie can't see this is his big chance to shine at the ONE thing everyone expects from US(weapons)?".

https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-firm-unveils-new-fp-7-fp-9-ballistic-missiles-air-defense-systems/

We know what comes next, Flamingos 2.0 getting near Tomahawk precision some months from now thanks to western euro tech and ukkiesmekalka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gma72CksN8g

>>64432648
>doubles down
Yeah, zigger will always be a joke.

>>64432678
>>64432568
Also, in my original post that you responded to, I was specifically questioning why they maintained any SSGNs (cruise missile submarines) when they've never fired cruise missiles at any target they couldn't have reached from their own territory, and why they had submarines in the Black Sea fleet when it would be trivial for them to deny access to the Black Sea with mines. Did they think they were going to be able to have them harass shipping in the Mediterranean? They'd be sunk in hours.

>>64431354 (OP)
I will say the Oscar-class submarines would give a US carrier group a serous headache.

>>64432691
>still seething because Russian influence can get countered so easily by bored chaps and lads
Into the meat/k/ube you go warriortard

>>64432678
Cause the boomers bastion cannot exist without a screening force, and since their surface fleet is impotent, yet still kept as russia needs to larp as a superpower baka.
>>64432693
Russian SSGN also served as Ashm flinging platforms, even if modern yasen isn't that advanced against nato, much less the likes of oscar or akula.
And soviet supersonic ashm is actually pretty decent and still capable of hurting a lot, even against modern IADS.

>>64432703
>still makes shit up as always
Ziggers are literally too stupid to do anything else.

>>64431354 (OP)
>From what I understand
So literally nothing.

>>64432699
Lol, the so-called cutting edge Yasen is literally using leftover turbines and electric motors from Akula/Kilo and somehow Oscar will totally be anything but an iron coffin facing modern hunter-killers ?

>>64432699
It wouldn't, and harassing a US carrier group is out of scope for a regional power's navy.

>>64432715
Okay, so like I said, they should have cut down their numbers of SSBNs and thus needed fewer SSNs to babysit them, and gotten rid of SSGNs entirely because wasting money on all of this bullshit is what's caused them to nearly collapse without ever firing a single missile at a NATO ship.

>>64431687
Fantastically brown post

>>64432731
>>64432740
but but the simulations :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7C4UjLEVXY

>>64432670
>sucked off the red army of WWII every three pages
He had to, since the Navy was getting the Red Army's sloppy seconds, funding-wise. So, if he showed any amount of hostility, the Navy budget would've been cut.

>>64432740
I mean, they could've had a cheaper alternative, modern SSK using fuel cell AIP, much like what german did (albeit successfully) with the 212A class.
But like with all russian weapon programs that isn't just involve rebranding soviet era systems, much like pantsir, su-57, armata,... they all failed one way or another.
Straight from the horses mouth
> https://en.topwar.ru/133182-voennyy-flot-rosii-grustnyy-vzglyad-v-buduschee-chast-4-paltus-i-lada.html

>>64432756
I mean, it's not like I'd expect him to outright badmouth it, but you would think that he'd try and talk up the Soviet Navy's usefulness in that war in some way. When he said ludicrous shit like the Pacific theater being decided in Stalingrad, it doesn't exactly make the point that the Soviets need an actual navy to compete, even if it does make the politburo feel all warm and fuzzy. about themselves.

>>64432726
You are brown

>>64431432
Zigger spawn outs itself almost immediately every single time.
Zighogs can't help but wear a sneering mask over bitter resentment, as they flail about in their own filth.

>>64431354 (OP)
they would probably do alright for target practice

>>64432612
As much as I hate Puccians, this guy is correct.

>>64432755
>Aging carrier group in the early 80s
Now run a simulation for the early 2000s with VLS.

>>64432759
Maybe, but I don't really feel like it was ever worth it for Russia to develop new subs. Culling their fleet in the early 90s would have allowed them to better maintain their Soviet era boats, and by the time our alternate history reaches the modern day they could be partnering with China to develop replacements, or getting India to help bankroll them, which would be a much easier sell when there's a chance they might actually be built on schedule.

>>64431354 (OP)
If there's one thing the war in Ukraine has shown, it's that the capabilities of a nations military on paper aren't always reflected by reality. The Russian military itself has already been shown to be much weaker than originally thought.
I'm not sure submarines have done much besides espionage since WW2 so it's hard to say how valuable they would be in a war with Europe even if they're all functional.

>>64432791
>>>64431432
>Zigger spawn outs itself almost immediately every single time.
>Zighogs can't help but wear a sneering mask over bitter resentment, as they flail about in their own filth.
silence nafotroon

>zigger posts gay porn
Oh, shit, they're REALLY mad about Budapest getting canned.

>>64432895
... why do you have this saved on y--
Oh wait, you're a zigger.

fun fact the pidor is spamming the same gif on other boards like /his/ as well

>>64432852
> Maybe, but I don't really feel like it was ever worth it for Russia to develop new subs.
There never was any point for Russia to even maintain the nuclear powered subs or strategic bombers in the first place. They should’ve just gone full best korea and based their nuke on TEL, silos while developing a functional layered air defense, along with effective counter air.
It’s all about ‘we wuz peter da great and homo sovieticus n shiet’

>>64431375
>>64432895
Why are pidorussians like this?

>>64432934
Refinery inflammation syndrome.
https://youtu.be/7Q-glm2vn-c

>>64432775
>he'd try and talk up the Soviet Navy's usefulness in that war in some way.
How? All the Soviet Navy achieved was torpedoing a few refugee transports and getting a couple of their ships/subs sunk by the Romanian Navy.
Not exactly a stellar record.

the problem with russians sub fleet much like the rest of it's military is that it straddles being a global player and a regional player.
it wants to be a global player but frankly can't afford it. so they keep as much of the hardware they inherited from the USSR going as they can. even if having so much and that type of hardware doesn't make any sense as to what russia needs. and because it's spending so much on what it wants to feel like a global power it underinvests in what it needs to be a regional power.
half the subs on that graph aren't operational
those that are have a frighteningly high accident rate.
if they had cut out the ships they are paying to keep around but don't have the means to actually use they could have brought those they do use into a decent state of repair and readiness.
but that would mean admitting it is the strongest regional player in Europe and not a global player like the US, China or a combined EU

>>64432953
Yeah it was shit, but he could find -something- even if he had to embellish. They did some amphibious shit in the Black Sea, I think. Even an army guy has to appreciate that sort of operation. Least, I'd hope they would.

>>64432938
>will I get bored of Russia's shit burning down?
>apparently not

>>64432569
>>64432574
I still say we should have sunk that sub and claimed retarded drunk incompetent crew shenanigans.

Would anyone really be surprised in $present_day if a russian submarine spontaneously decided to become a permanent part of the underwater decor?

>>64433024
The bongs should load up a RIB full of urban yoofs and just sent them out there to graffiti it considering its doing about 2knots

>>64432612
Tourists are incapable of seeing a thread dedicated to anything but their faggotry and not shitting it up.

>>64432681
Like this fucking retard. He can barely speak English, but that’s not going to stop him from doing his best to derail the thread.

>>64432271
This, so much this! Just two more weeks and we will Finally stop PUTLER. Soon the pride flag will wave pridely above the Red Place in Moscow after we acquired tranny Lebensraum Ost there

>>64432954
>but that would mean admitting it is the strongest regional player in Europe
not even, the only thing they have on UK is their numbers padded with decrepit old shit

>>64432271
Yes, Ukraine just keeps scoring win after win. For four years now, ah, what do I say, since 2014 they keep winning. Trading your entire population and hundreds of billions of dollars and the whole nato stockpile for having lessnand less territory B the day is winning, right sisters?

>>64433040
>Soon the pride flag will wave pridely above the Red Place in Moscow
it's already there though

>>64433040
>>64433051
>being so butthurt you make the same exact post twice

>>64433057
>>64433054
Pot calling cattle black lot
The posts aren't the same at all, one is just MOcking globohomo ideology the other is making a commentary on the military and economic development

Seems the sanctions really have them upset.

>>64431951
pride. that is all there is to it

>>64432271

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgzx82p1x5o

>>64432186
>Taking out aircraft carriers and stopping a zerg rush in Europe are not viable goals for the Russian Federation.
neither were it for the vatnik union. Their tubes going againg aircraft carrier groups was suicide for them

>>64433058
they're exactly the same post, down to formatting and sentence structure

looks like it's your turn to sit on the bottle, gulaghomo glavset

>>64432756
he was a die hard vatnik. there was more to it then just office politics

>>64432934
It's dey culture or something

>>64431398
Kek

>>64433027
Please god, the headline alone... this piece of shit floating by with "BY ORDER OF THE PEEKY FOOKIN BLINDERS!" spray painted across the conning tower.

>>64432775
>but you would think that he'd try and talk up the Soviet Navy's usefulness in that war in some way
vatnik navies biggest "win" in ww2 was sinking a passenger ferry overloaded with civvies fleeing the red plague closing in during the end of it. Biggest kill count of single sunk vessel to date. The commander of the sub was a well known drunk and wife beater

Rest of the war the detachment most involved in the war, the baltic fleet, spent sitting in port near pidorsburg (lengingrad). After they fled there throw german laid sea mine field using commandeered civilian ships as meat shield in front of them

>>64432271
>Trump cancels Budapest meeting with Putin, Rubio cancels call with Lavrov
I feel like we aren't properly appreciating just how fucking mad they are about this. They were expecting to get another solid month or two's worth of stalling out of this by just finding new ways to state the same demands. Then Rubio spent five minutes on the phone, went "oh, so nothing's changed *click*", walked into the oval office, said "yeah, they're still on their bullshit", and Trump went with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3BVZ66KcrE

>>64433040
>Soon the pride flag will wave pridely above the Red Place in Moscow
muscovia is a already more homosexual then any rainbow colony can ever be

>>64433102
>They were expecting to get
another big propaganda victory. In monkeperiums perception first monke was greeted with red carped in US. Then had a kings greeting in Beijing. Now trump would force EU to let monke into middle of EU again. Orban would have greeted him with a carpet and military parade after all

>>64431432
>I'm a zigger because I want a discussion on russian subs?
Yes

>>64433091
>he was a die hard vatnik. there was more to it then just office politics
I get it. Any Soviet officer not mentioning The Great Patriotic War™ in his book would be committing a massive faux pas, and would basically be unpublishable. While there was an adequate amount of stuff to suck off about the contemporary Soviet Navy (their nuclear-powered icebreakers *were* world-class), there was precisely jack and shit to mention about the WW2-era one (apart for the "top score" mentioned here: >>64433100). So he basically did some random ballwashing for the Red Army.

>>64433100
>The commander of the sub was a well known drunk and wife beater
Have you any idea how little that narrows it down?

>>64431354 (OP)
>outdated graphic
Missing the flagship submarine, Moscva. Commissioned April 2022 by Neptun.

>>64433102
>>64433110
I've been wondering all day long what the EU did &/or had to say about monke stepping onto EU soil. Pretty certain there were a few backchannel communications that orange drumpfling would need to find another location to have a tryst with his girlfriend. Orban probably got some love letters on the topic reminding him that the EU would well and truly fuck him in somewhat inconvenient ways.

>>64433163
I'm pretty sure the Poles were muttering something about "accidents happen" and "payback time" when asked about their opinion on the zigger president flying a plane over.

>>64433163
well pretty much every EU member state has an embassy in Hungary and vice versa
you can also just tell some of the EMP from Orban's party at the EP or the Hungarian in European Commission, Olivér Várhelyi.
but they'd not even have to tell them to knock it off. Just tell them they wouldn't give permission for any russian planes to fly trough their airspace.
you also have to keep in mind what Orban's goals are in being a butt buddy with Putin. he wants russia to be a foil to the Eu when he has a spat with the EU. a "I'll go to russia" if he doesn't get what he wants from the EU, but he still wants things from the EU not russia. all russia can give him is cheap gas and oil but the EU gives several times more in development gibs.

>>64431354 (OP)
By all accounts, their ssgns, ssbns, and every ssn prior to the early akulas are loud enough to be heard for tens of miles and not able to counter detect flight 1 los angeles class subs(1976) at standoff range, let alone a diesel boat run by and nato nation. A huge flaw in the oscar and typhoon designs made their sound absorption wear away rapidly. You could barely hear them coming out of port but soon enough they started singing. Also the cube.

>>64433163
Backroom? It was an official meeting. They created a formal "trying to end the war" committee, and put Trump in charge of it. I get that some of you are never going to get over the first six months/last nine years, but everyone's on the same page now that it's Russia's turn to buckle, and Trump can't do shit to change anyone else's minds about that.

is russia going to collapse?

>>64433221
Nah, the zigglets are going to burn themselves on the altar of Monke's glory until Kingdom Come.

>>64433117
Maybe you could praise their riverine forces for having guts, since they had near-Schnellbote levels of notional armor. But nowhere to maneuver and no speed to escape.

>>64432275
cont. on borey/yasen hybrid propulsion(1/2)
> the BOREY – and probably the YASEN - have two ATUs (Automated Turbo-Generator Units), the Russian term for Ship's Service Turbo-Generators: (SSTGs) rated at 3500 kW (4700 hp) each, it is probable that during TE mode operations, the rectified electrical output of only one ATU will power the PG-141 while the other ATU will provide the submarine's electrical requirements; hence, no more than 4700 hp will be available for electrical propulsion.
> the maximum submerged speed capability of the BOREY Class Russian SSBN in the TE propulsion mode with power provided by a single, fully-loaded ATU will be about 15 knots while the YASEN Class Russian SSN – operating in the TE mode with similar power restrictions – will be about 16 knots. A more probable maximum speed in the TE mode - which would require only half-loading of one 3500 kW (4700 hp) ATU would be 11 knots for the BOREY (2300 hp) and 12 knots for the YASEN (2500 hp).
> https://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/capabilities_of_the_russian_nuclear_submarine_hybrid_propulsion_system.htm

>>64433294
(2/2)
> BOREY Class Russian SSBNs and YASEN Class (NATO: GRANEY) Class Russian SSGNs have “hybrid” propulsion systems: turbine-reduction (TR using the GTZA OK-9VM) for moderate to high speeds, and turbo-electric (TE using the 5,550 hp PG-141 dc motor) for lower speeds, especially below 5-8 knots.
> the second flight of BOREY SSBNs will use GTZA OK-9VM geared-turbine systems recovered from scrapped OSCAR units, and (2) the GTZA OK-9VM cannot be secured during use of the PG-141M turbo-electric propulsion mode because of heating/deformation problems associated with the sudden acceleration of a “cold” turbine.
>In addition to acoustic vulnerability issues (transients) associated with very low-speed operation of the GTZA OK-9VM system, two other potential vulnerabilities may occur: (1) turbine blade-rate sources (turbine rotational rate times the number of blades in each stage of the turbine) and hobbing errors created by the relatively crude gear-cutting machines used to fabricate the OSCAR and AKULA double-reduction planetary gear systems.

>https://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/status_of_the_gtza_ok9vm_main_turbine_gear_assembly_during_te_mode_operations.htm
>https://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/potential_acoustic_vulnerability_of_borey_and_yasen_class_russian_nuclear_submarines.htm

>>64433302
> Project 885/885M YASEN Class Russian SSGN secondary propulsion system – not to be confused with the PG-141 dc motor component of the hybrid (turbo-electric - turbine-reduction)) main propulsion system - will employ ring-motor technology to reduce the acoustic detectability of the secondary system which has a maximum speed capability of 4.5 knots. >Back-up power for operation of this system can be provided by an ADH-1000B 1000 kW diesel generator, a design based on the 8DM-21 system produced by the Ural Diesel Motor Plant. The ADH-1000B also is used by BOREY Class Russian SSBNs.
>https://www.iusscaa.org/articles/brucerule/acoustic_detectability_of_project_885885m_class_russian_ssgn_secondary_propulsion_system.htm

>>64431951
>>64432085
I agree that Russian carrier capabilities are purely hypothetical

>>64431432
No because you can't stop thinking about gay sex.

>>64433178
>They created a formal "trying to end the war" committee,
yes yes. we have been in this groundhog day for the past nine months. Point is there was absolutely zero reason for putting it in budapest. especially given the infamous budapest memorandum that is associated with it

monke wanted to go there for a pure propaganda win and agent orange almost granted it to him. Oblivious to it all

>thread still up
So was the zigger janny clearing everyone’s reports again? Why would a blatant attempt at pro-Russian messaging and a zone of anti-social behaviour be allowed to remain up this long? Needs to be looked into and contained.

>>64433959
youre trying too hard to falseflag ivan

>>64433959
Why do i see this dead thread back at the top of the catalog and you are the last one that posted?
Get fucked yah falseflagging piece of zigger shit.

>>64433964
>>64433969
>two replies this close together
Of course you would be this frantically seething at calls for pro-Russian messaging to be contained. You are not fooling anyone.

>>64433959
>So was the zigger janny clearing everyone’s reports again?
I think so? I reported this spam thread yesterday. Now I can report it AGAIN...

>>64433979
Yes zigger, everyone can see how you falseflag and bump your thread.

>>64433983
>n-no you are the zigger
Lame, but look at how you cry that your pro-Russian narrative sounding board got turned into a space for pro democracy messaging by some bored lads

>>64433985
Ziggers are pathic losers, they are so fucking pathetic they can't even come up with anything they can say that actually supports them, so they fake being their opponents and act like they are fedposting.

>>64433992
>fedposting
There it is, everybody who disagrees with you and shits on or opposes your attempts to spread Russian influence American internet pages with gaps in oversight is… wait for it…. THE FEDS. Lmao time for your daily krokodil

>>64434007
>act like they are fedposting.
=/= fedposting