Thread 64433141

Why did it fail?

Melts in your hands, not in your mouth.

>over 30 years of service
>failed
Sounds like the average life expectancy for a service rifle

>>64433141 (OP)
plastic fantastic ... more like mcdonalds toy !!! :laughing: my mini 14 doesnt melt ... unlike nazi junk
-Bob

>>64433141 (OP)
what blew up?

>>64433250
The g36's receiver

>>64433141 (OP)
It didn't.
The soldiers in question used after market barrels and the ammo was faulty.
Von der Leyen smelled money and wanted to make a quick deal with Saudi owned Haenel. End of story.

>>64433141 (OP)
It didn't. It saw international service for three decades and even got a clone.

Coolest gun ever.

>>64433141 (OP)
sorry wrong pic

Just look at that trunnion and how it is embedded into the rifle and tell me there isn't a problem.

Most Bundeswehr soldiers didn't have a problem cause they weren't even competent enough (i.e. they are not good at shooting) to evaluate this issue

Me and some other dudes (conscripts) had administration duty at a summer range day so we were the last in line to fullfil our mandatory exercises.
The rifles were shot all day long while lying in the sun between runs.
We weren't hitting man sized targets from a supported position at 150m and were wondering what the fuck was going on, cause at the last exercise some weeks before we had a hit rate of 100%
That was in 2007.
Years later it dawned to me what was happening.

>>64433351
>t.seething broke bitch

>>64433401
That doesn't even make sense

>>64433141 (OP)
it's not that it failed
it's just that the AR succeeded too much
can't beat the economics of modularity & part standardization
it makes any other gun within the platform a niche gun

>>64433426
It was inevitable. France, Netherlands and Norway adopted the 416, Germany had to follow. It was the most logical choice.

I'm still holding out for the 433 but since no one seems interested in it, I have a feeling it'll be an absolute stillbirth if they don't just scrap it outright.

>>64433280
>Saudi owned Haenel
didn't know that

>>64433141 (OP)
>make weapon designed around operating on cold environment
>ships it to a hot environment
>it melts

What do you mean "failed"?

The whole premise of that question is wrong, it didn't fail. Just because something doesn't get to have the lifespan of an AR-15 doesn't mean that it failed.

Coming up on 30 years of service with military and law enforcement agencies around the world, still available in the H&K catalogue.

>>64433141 (OP)
They'd sell out immediately if they came to the US market, even if they were $10,000+.

>>64433569
it failed because HK doesnt sell it to me

>>64433256
Never happened

>>64433322
Peak rental airsofter

>>64433351
cool story, bro

>>64433451
Netherlands uses Diemaco C7s and C8s

>>64433141 (OP)
Built in optics are dated. Lack of ability to mount modern attachments (coti, lam)

>>64434085
The optics allow you to reliably hit targets at 250m.

>>64434095
That's not saying much.

>>64434085
That’s not true at all, just take the carry handle off and put a rail on, the fore end has slots for rails. You can even swap the magwell by pulling a pin and swapping in a new section that takes AR mags.

>>64434095
I was able to easily pull off shots out to 600yds with just a red dot and one.

>>64434068
sigger Kochpe

>>64433141 (OP)
>W'ere making a near future story and need a rifle for the megacorp security goons
>HK has already dropped off a crate of G36s

>>64434095
>oh my science 250m it's a sniper rifle!
you haven't used those dogshit integrated optics, have you?

>>64433141 (OP)
I think some British police use these for whatever reason

>>64433141 (OP)
>Failed
It looks cool, it was adopted, and it lasted until it was time to replace it with a new gun. It was never as bad as the SA80 or M16A1. I wouldn't call it good even for its day, but in what sense did it fail?

i have one

>>64435076
nuh uh

>>64435141
here

>>64434099
>>64434522
What's the average engagement distance in Ukraine or Gaza for infantry?

>>64433141 (OP)
unironic slide thread
what blew up

>>64435029
It didn't kill the AR and isn't available from PSA for 2 dollars and a half eaten chocolate bar

>>64435029
>m16a1
>bad

Was it a thing really, or just some boomer fudd meme lore?

>>64433141 (OP)
>fail

It was fine. Did its job acceptably for decades. It wasn’t some spectacular innovation, nor was it as ubiquitous as the AR15.

>>64434415
Based and F.E.A.R. pilled
At least it's one franchise where thid happened

>>64435157
>No timestamp
You got that from google didn't you?

>>64435166
It doesn't matter what the average engagement distance is. Being able to consistently hit targets out to 250m is at best, the bare minimum expectation. I expect irons to be able to do that, easily. Integrated optics just suck.

>>64435270
Delusional

>>64433143
kek flippy

>>64433207
It's a 1pbtid ragebait thread like on pol.

>>64433351
Here's another shot of that same trunnion.

>>64433351
>>64435721


FFS forgot the image-

>>64435725
yeah and guess what HK makes that trunnion out out of? GROCERY STORE BAG PLASTIC

>>64435734
GERMAN grocery store bag plastic.
So it's extra special.

>>64434415
Equilibrium kino

>>64433351
>>64435725
What is this supposed to prove exactly? It's a brand new trunnion and the distortion on the plastic is from cutting it

>>64436255
it proves hes poor and seething

>>64433141 (OP)
It was actually a fairly popular option for American PDs until ARs became more ubiquitous and affordable. G36s were more affordable for law enforcement agencies (or similar in price) than a proven AR back during the late 90s-early 2000s.

GWOT vets trained on the M16/M4 coming back to serve in law enforcement and the influx of companies investing in the AR and essentially perfecting the platform pretty much killed it stateside.

>>64436525
It must be challenging being you

>>64433280
Don't you make VdL like, the acting CEO of the whole EU in reward?

>>64433141 (OP)
>>64433327
>lets spend billions rearming the entire army with this new rifle in the same caliber with the same capabilities because
Make it make sense. Same thing with swapping out the M9. So they can have a modular gun and swap out the grip and slide lengths on the same gun? That only makes sense for a civilian who, for some reason, won’t buy two pistols but will spend the same amount of money on parts to convert one pistol into two different pistols. Is it just so the pistol can be 3 ounces lighter? Because that would be retarded.

>>64436576
>perfecting the platform
The platform was perfect fifty years ago. The hell do you mean by perfecting, putting rails on it?

>>64433141 (OP)
buttfuck ugly as shit

>>64436255
Another, just for you.

>>64436899
Companies perfected the art of advertising, nothing pays better than selling a product that immediately needs 1k+ worth of upgrades (minimum) to work

>>64436989
>here's a part that's perfectly fine
Okay?

>>64436899
Standarizing things that were around since the 70s and should have been implemented in the 90s but institutional inertia kept at bay
>monolithic upper with free floated barrel
>barrel profile that isn't aids
>fold down irons not attached to gas block
>multi position collapsing stock as standard
>1:7 chrome lined barrel
>optic options that arent ass

>>64435298
Like was the DDR AK bayo ever meant to be the G36 bayonet?

>>64435298
Yes, I used to own one. Sold it as part of a package deal with one of my 36s.
>>64433351
As someone who has owned multiple G36 K and E builds, the trunnion isn’t the issue. Not once have I ever been able to replicate the Afghan complaints, even after F/A dumping a few hundred rounds.
What IS a valid complaint is the handguard lug position potentially putting pressure on the trunnion area when resting it on a barricade or whatever. I haven't tested that theory yet. If it winds up being true, then that means it’ll behave like any non-free-floated rifle.

In addition, the way the optics package/top rails slide on and clamp to the receiver is fucking untrustworthy. I know why they did it that way, but it will never match something like a flat-top AR. And with the insanely cheap construction of the old Hensoldt optics (literal airsoft tier where the optic tube is just pushed slightly in the housing by the adjustment screws like it’s the ‘40s), I would never ever trust a G36 optic or rail to hold a zero. Which is frustrating, because it’s one of the nicest service rifles out there to hold and shoot and clean and maintain. It’s just that the shit receiver mounting setup lets it down.

>>64437987
I love AKM bayo and the 2005 aesthetics of cod4 and airsoft.

>>64437987
Didn't the last version with the extra long flat rail top fix this

>>64433351
The problem about this (originally Afghanistan) story is that it's been circulating for years with slight variations, the same exact picture and universal bullshit.
7/10 bait thoughbeit

>>64436899
>M4 feed ramps
>increased buffer weight
>constant curve magazines (such as Pmag)
>anti-tilt followers
>lower reinforcement in the buffer tower area
>lower receiver fencing
>up and down plastic handguard parts are symmetrical and can be interchanged while the triangular handguards required a left and right part
>crane o-ring to increase extractor tension
The platform got a lot of upgrades even if you aren't looking to accessorize.

>>64437987
Isn't there also the issue of handguards not holding zero and thus precluding the use of IR lasers?

>>64438324
From what I understand the flat top rail still dovetails into the plastic receiver.

>>64438036
So do I. AKM bato good. ‘90s/‘2000 aesthetics good. G36 also good, just has some issues relating to the rail. And the mags are fat.
>>64438571
I assume so? I haven’t tested that. Perhaps that’s why HKey handguards have that big extension finger that sticks toward the trunnion. I don’t know, I’m not paying money for an inferior mounting solution I don’t need.
>>64438324
The only way to fix the top rail issue would be to mould it into the receiver. The newest top rails are like this. They fit nice with way less side to side play than the Hensoldt package, but still, never going to be as good as a simple flat top AR.
Unless you mean the weird B&T gooseneck rail, which looks hot except for that stupid gooseneck.

>>64438646
what about the kac buis rail

>>64438654
I think they’re the most horrifically ugly option and wouldn’t take one for free.

>>64438646
Have you got some BW Gewehr sex und dreisich pouches for the Koppeltragesystem neun und fünfsig? Haven't seen those in the market ever. I only have Gevehr drei pouches.


fuck the 4mb limit

>>64438672
I had a complete rig similar to yours I bought locally. I don’t know what the Germ names were. Had some custom G36 dual mag pouches made too, but they were way too fat for my taste. Like using quad AR pouches.

>>64438750
Is google or something other. I have onlly kts95 with G3 pouches. Airsoft stanag mags fit in G3 pouche, I find out. Hei mä lennän taas...

>>64433141 (OP)
>Why did it fail?
It didn't.
>>64433143
>Melts in your hands, not in your mouth.
It didn't.

>>64437174
>here's a part that's perfectly fine
>Okay?
Still waiting for you to realize I'm not the guy who posted the first image.
I'm just the guy who saved them when meplat uploaded them long ago.
here's one more.

If only Gaymany had RK72TP

I want some gaymany meatwurst with my rifle

>>64433141 (OP)
>In service all over the world for decades with LEOs and militaries
>Seen plenty of combat, with the only complaints largely being handwaved away
>Overall assessment seems to be “not as good as an M4 in some ways but overall pretty damn nice”
Sounds like it didn’t fail at all.

>>64433223
Ew.

>>64437987
Wait, what the fuck, someone with ACTUAL hands on experience with the rifle in question, and who knows what the fuck he's actually talking about?

>>64438554
>lower reinforcement in the buffer tower area
Was this ever actually necessary?

>>64438750
>>64439029
You're probably looking for the pouches from Heim GmbH, search for "Magazintasche"

>>64433141 (OP)
I like my cope one

>>64433223
>my mini 14 doesnt melt
It'll just string shots, fudda!

>>64441001
Rare /k/ poster of actual value.
>>64443705
I like it too. TBT?

>>64433141 (OP)
It succeeded.

>>64433351
I knew a german Panzergrenadier who saw combat in Afghanistan and he never had problems with it. The whoel thing was blown out of proportion by Flinten-Uschi (Von der Leyen) to make a name for herself
the G36 started having overheating issues after dumping mag after mag on full auto, to a degree where every rifle starts to have problems

>>64443705
>>64437987
I like my (slightly less) cope one as well.
They're perfectly fine combat rifles, the weakest link is the sub-airsoft tier Hensoldt optic and the plastic dovetail it screws onto - which is sad because it looks sick and the concept was way ahead of its time.

>>64449184
They actually fired 900 rounds out of a G36 using 100rd drum mags during a torture test, the gun was literally on fire for the whole second half of the video but it still kept going.
(It was obviously ruined beyond repair by that point but I was still kind of impressed it didn't fail in some obvious way.)
x.com/i/status/1976410371264291073

>>64433141 (OP)
Well it failed to fire.

>>64449184
The VdL claim is sort of true, mostly it was about deflecting responsibility for the 3 KIA and 8 WIA of the Karfreitagsgefecht
Taliban ambushed a patrol of German paratroopers on their way back to base, and they had only their patrol small arms and the machineguns on their Dingo 2s available, US aircraft couldn't support due to risk of friendly fire etc. etc.
All of this in an environment that politicians pretended was mostly safe, with the Bundeswehr officially on policing and rebuilding duties
They needed a scapegoat and guess what, when ambushed the paratroopers fired their standard rifles in full auto a lot, which isn't ideal in an engagement lasting for 8 hours
https://youtu.be/E-XJM7xqwdc?t=189

>>64451729
how does one fire his service rifle on full auto in combat for 8 hours?
A soldier will deplete a unit of fire on full auto within minutes. Are we supposed to believe that these men were being repeatedly resupplied with ammo but they could not be extracted, fire support could not help them, reinforcements could not reach them? Larger, heavier, more lethal weapons could not be brought to bear?
you really did not think this through.
You expect me to believe that complaints about GROCERY STORE BAG PLASTIC BEING USED FOR CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF A FIREARM INTENDED FOR RIGOROUS DUTY stem from a lone firefight in which some guys just fired their guns too much.
What you have done, supposing your fantasy is true, is made a very good case for NOT MAKING GUNS OUT OF PLASTIC.
And the German Army seems to agree; THANKFULLY!
Creatures like you, who vigorously support greed and stupidity, are the bane of humanity and the gun community.

>>64453685
>GROCERY STORE BAG PLASTIC
Are you retarded or just a liar?

>>64456289
He's both.

>>64456289
>>64458667
and poor

>>64453685
Nowhere did I say that each soldier was firing for 8 hours straight you dishonest faggot, and obviously they had ammo in their Dingos
As for heavier weapons, only the Marder IFVs were available in theatre at the time, don't know why they weren't used

>>64434671
City of London Police (the plod for the financial district, as opposed to the Metropolitan Police who work the rest of London)

>>64435298
>>64438646
I had an HK243, never fired it F/A tho. I honestly can't complain about the optics rails. Rifle held zero pretty well, I had more issues with the grip being loose in the receiver. Basically what happend was that the receiver seemed to be slightly out of spec and was flared where the grip goes in, adding a ton of side-to-side wiggle. Fixed it with a bit of tape.

The optic rail is fine, but then again, I didn't throw it around. I've shot her rested before and I somewhat doubt that the receiver/trunnion would flex under the rifles own weight enough to impact accuracy. The real issue with the G36 has always been that they didn't make it out of aluminium, preventing a ton of (mostly perceived) issues.

>>64460557
Shoot a 10 round group from a cold bore
Warm her up with 100 rounds
Shoot another 10 round group
Let her cool off
Shoot another 10 round group
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