Thread 64435519

I really want to drop a fuckload of money on a SD PCC with a ported barrel that allows me to shoot 115gr 9mm and make it subsonic.
Would getting a B&T APC9 SD be the best gun for the money to buy if that's what l wanted?
MP5 SD build kits are way too much money even without considering the labor involved.

why? subsonic 9mm isnt that much more expensive. plus integrally suppressed smgs spit out 9mm at really really low speeds so they're barely lethal

I bought the Stribog 45 and it's fine. Magazines rattle in the gun. Bolt release needs to be larger. AR pointer finger mag release is too far and you have to break your grip to activate it but I just use the thumb release instead.

Getting this

>>64435519 (OP)
Build a nice AR9 with a 3" barrel, all non +p 9mm is subsonic out of a 3" barrel. Then just a suppressor that will fit under what ever handguard you pick. Simple as. it will act the same as an SD Gun. Or you could get a BRT Car SD roller delay upper.

>>64435639
I want this but in their bolt action.

>>64435519 (OP)
The new side-feeding kh9 looks sick, sad it will never be in 45, and sad i'll probably never see an unsuppressed kh45 stateside. fuck you Karl brugger

Why are people buying PCCs that can't accept or be easily modified to accept an FRT in the current year?
>>64435602
>>64435618
>>64435639
>>64435519 (OP)

when the FUCK is HK releasing the SP7....

>>64436029
There is a company working on frts for the ruger PCs. Can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they're calling it an ART

>>64436029
Can't afford an actual machine gun? SAD!

>>64435527
>9mm
>Barely lethal
Noguns alert

>>64435962
It would be better if it wasn't a folding mechanism. Thats just another failure point

>>64435519 (OP)
If you want to go subsonic, why not just do it in .45?

>>64437110
I have a mac11, at 10k it is most certainly not worth it.

>>64437571
because it suppresses like dogshit compared to 9mm for an equal size suppressor. diameter of the exit aperture is a thing.
just use 147gr 9mm.

>>64437575
What about with those specialty uppers you can get for them? Also does anyone have any recommended 147+ grain 9mm that have rounded noses? My mp5 doesnt like flatnoses when it gets halfway past the mag. sometime they work, and sometimes they dont

>>64435527
retard getting shot by anything is a bad day, fudd take

70's SD pcc are so cool

>shooting 115gr at subsonic velocity
what? These words don't make sense. just buy an mp5. it's got a tri lug.

>>64437707
the great outdoors!

>>64437732
suppressed 9s in the open air is fucking fun. You can hear the bullet smacking into the wood backstop over the sound of the gun firing. Most satisfying sounding firearm I ever played with.

>>64437580
This. I never understood the need for SD weapons, especially from a law enforcement standpoint. Instead of ported barrel voodoo, just use 147 grain 9mm or literally any standard pressure .45 AARP and call it a day.
>BUT WHAT IF YOU CAN'T GET 9MM SUBS
If you can drop the kind of cash needed for an SD gun, you can probably far sooner get a case of 147 grain rounds. If you're extra poor, practice with the 115 grain supers. You're probably wearing electronic earpro anyway, so the supersonic crack during practice is a non issue.

>>64435519 (OP)
I have a schmeisser ar15-9, it's awesome.
Super fun. They have an SD version, too

>>64437580
>suppresses like dogshit
Literal fake news. My 45 pcc is virtually indistinguishable from my buddy's 9mm pcc, both using quality cans, both are for all intents and purposes hearing safe, and can magdump outdoors with no ringing in the ears.

I agree that 45 suppressors should be larger diameter but aren't. But you also have to remember 45 is leaving the barrel at ~850fps (or even 750fps if you handload 250gr) compared to 9mm's 1000fps. Which makes up a lot of the difference.

>>64437741
Ever tried a 45? You can see the bullet in flight with the sun behind you. The slow speed makes it even more fun than the 9mm.

>>64437779
what, you got a problem with this? I'm sure she's got a great personality.

>>64437785
>Ever tried a 45?
not under the conditions you describe but now I want to. That sounds fucking cool.

>>64435519 (OP)
I really want a FORT230 in 357sig so I can make 115gr bullets go 1750fps.

>>64437932
I want it so badly that I automatically assume it will never be on the market here. Looks real sick.

All I want is a .357 magnum pcc thats mag fed, semi auto and comes with a recoil adjustment system so you can also run .38 special. Oh and make it easy to put a brass catcher on it.

>>64436029
Link me an ar build that's not dogshit direct blowback and doesn't have a buffer tube and I'll buy it.

>>64438038
If you look at the mags they're very deeply ribbed, it's clear that the receiver is wide enough to accommodate 40/357 with perfect stacking, kind of like the Springfield Kuna in that it's a .40 design chambered in 9mm.

Probably FORT have police clients in mind who (surprisingly, even in Europe) still buy new weapons in .40.

>>64438085
the ability to do this and that is cool and all but fuck man i'd pay 2-3 grand for one of those in 9x19, I ain't that picky

>>64435519 (OP)
B&T owners are like Rolex owners. They vastly overpay for a decent product because they like the cachet of the name or are ignorant of better choices.

>>64435570
Have you had any issues with it like what was reported with the 9? I was thinking of getting one or a USC.

>>64438973
My first mag had a couple FTF but after the 100 round break in and first cleaning it's been flawless.

I have the A3 model

>>64435618
I really enjoy the no-name, 45-degree, backwards red dot on this one. Perfect gun to find in an evidence locker.

>>64437932
Hello! Now I want one too.

>>64438960
>better choices
Gimme!

>>64438054
>mag fed 357 mad semi auto
How about 44 mag?

>>64435602
These are so fucking gross. Fucking abortion.

>>64441764
I wish they still made these

>>64435519 (OP)
muh pcc. no bully

>>64438054
>all i want is something complex that will cost more than im willingn to pay

Luv muh TP9

>>64436029
I AM JUST WAITING FOR FRTS TO BE COMMON ENOUGH THAT I CAN JUST PRINT A DIAS

>>64443874
Nice pic, nice gun. I want one with an FRT. Waiting anxiously on a drop in FRT trigger pack for roller guns that is three position (or heck even just 2 position for 9mm application), lever safety, and works with factory SEF or NAVY packs.

Bump this cock

>>64435527
>suppressed smgs spit out 9mm at really really low speeds so they're barely lethal

>everyone focusing on making their PCC more quiet
No. Louder.
>inb4 not a PCC

>>64445527
you left out the 'integrally' part. 115gr 9mm going at 900fps is dogshit.

>me when a bunch of zoom zooms are buying antiquated “spec ops” bullet hoses knowing they wouldn’t have the trigger discipline to not blow through their 3 magazines in a real firefight.
The meek 16”+ shall inherit the earth

>>64445533
Thats a 556 rifle you dumb nigger >>64445773
>look at me guys! I cooked up a fantasy in my head where i am the winner and you are the loser!


Post PCCs, fags.

>>64445819
>look at me guys! I cooked up a fantasy in my head where i am the winner and you are the loser!
For real though. They’d be decent for home defense, but you’ll get anally raped by any jury if you are found to have used it. If you plan on using it in any scenario where you don’t care about juries, just know you will be outgunned by any other semi auto on the market. Unless you have the mother of stockpiles of 9mm and/or have good trigger discipline, you effectivess will drop to zero very quickly. That being said, dressing like a ninja with one of these would be quite dope.

>>64445542
>you left out the 'integrally' part. 115gr 9mm going at 900fps is dogshit.
And you left out the part where you're literally fucking retarded.

>>64445880
Not everything needs an FRT or look tacticool

I really love my PMX but boy do I wish someone would get to making an FRT for it. Doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things cause it's still a great home defense gun and will be even better when I put a suppressor on it and don't have to worry about raping my ears.

>>64436029
I want a rifle that's not in .22LR and works great for the indoor range I go to.

>>64438071
Cmmg decent. Don't buy it, it's possible and will jam constantly. Cmmg sucks.

>>64446189
You don't hear a lot about the pmx, do you like yours?

>>64446781
It's amazing, feels like a cheatcode to shoot. I haven't used any other PCCs but I love it and when I bought it it was absolutely the best price for quality on the market. Only downside is not a lot of aftermarket (like I said I really want an FRT for it) but ergonomics are fantastic.

>>64437932
Never knew this existed until your post
Now I want one too

>>64445844
I like the scope. Not everything has to be a red dot.

>>64445955
Not everything, no. But some things are made way more fun with the inclusion

>>64435519 (OP)
Why does B&T make 4 conventional layout pcc's? The KH9 I get is the owner's pet project, but what's up with making 3 other guns so similar I'd assume they came from companies competing for the same segment.

You get one of these if you're a serious guy

>>64436029
Why are you unaware that every B&T PCC save for TP9/KH9 can be FRT'd in the current year? As of present you have to send it in for the receiver/bolt mod but supposedly they'll be releasing in the near future.
>>64437331
Have handled the KH9 covert at a local store/range and it's a more than robust mechanism. The worst part of these guns are on things like the P26/TP9 stock tab as it's relatively thin polymer and the feed lips on their proprietary magazines cracking.
>>64435519 (OP)
If you want to buy into the B&T subgun ecosystem get the GHM series if you value modularity, APC9 if you want to go top end. The SDK is the coolest out of the lineup even if you're locked into their proprietary cans. Would personally skip the SPC.

>>64447399
APC9 has been the flagship for a while, SPC series was made for a military contract for a police unit that required AR controls on a subgun, GHM9 has (was as it's discontinued) always been for the civilian market. KH9 is because they're the Keltec of Switzerland - same reason they produce a 2k "vet pistol."
>>64446189
I had one of these in the form of the P26 it came from and it's an excellent gun. I hope somebody FRTs it eventually.
>>64438960
Sounds very poor of you. Most of the shit they make is so niche that you probably couldn't find a cheaper, well made alternative. If they could iron out the failure that is the TP9 series and got rid of the gay DMLS hand guards you'd be hard pressed to find a shitter in their lineup.

>>64443474
Do you like it in its cucked form? One at my LGS keeps tempting me but I'm wary since Tommybuilt died and doesn't do conversions anymore.

>>64449739
Black Ops Defense does the conversion still.

>>64446781
NTA but it's a pretty sleek package. A big, gucci'd up TEC 9 that's a smooth shooter with a nice trigger. When it hit the market it was way overpriced, but it's a really good deal now.

Anybody got expirence with any of the TX22 PCC conversion kits? Now that I have the FRT I'd like to actually be able to shoot it controllably

>>64449739
>Tommybuilt died
Holy shit when did that happen? The MP7 debacle killed them dead?

>>64445880
>that one guy that starts talking about homosexual anal rape when you're just trying to discuss firearms
dude

>>64450020
He couldn't take the hate the MP7 project brought down on him. He mentioned it made him not want to work on guns anymore. Then blamed people who would "never be able to afford his guns anyway".

There is a US company making g36 and ump receivers. Cranking the barrel into the trunnion is the only hard part to assembling a kit.

>>64445773
This but an 11.5 PSA AR

>>64436029
PCCs should be dirt cheap

Half AR9
Half AR15
All gay

>>64445909
isnt that interesting how carrying fmj 115gr 9mm is unthinkable in a carry gun but its ok when you do it in a PCC that will spit them out at the same fps?

this is the part where you temporarily adopt the opinion that 115gr fmj is heckin valid for CCing

>>64450757
This, might as well get a tree hunnid chimpout for the same price and get significantly better ballistics AND cheaper parts/mags

>>64450865
>300 blackout
You are the blackest gorilla monkey nigger in the world
You don't own one btw, just like 10mm, 6.5 sneed, and 5.7 fags

>>64443474
Only if you don't bully me.

>>64450865
Yawn

>>64450865
Doesn't do all the same things. With my PCC I can
-Shoot steel close up without fucking it or myself up (big one for me with my range's pits)
-Shoot ammo that's still only like 25-30cpr for the good shit (Speer Lawman and Winchester Super Suppressed)
-Shoot without any earpro with a semi platform, the blackout I can a little if I have to, but it reminds you that you really shouldn't do it much
-Carry a much smaller gun slung when I'm riding around on the atv or walking in the woods
-Carry it on a holster, even, if I want it held more tightly to me (ok the holster kind of sucks ass so maybe this isn't such a selling point)
-Transport the gun in a much smaller bag, can just throw the TP9 in an ordinary backpack with my clothes for a weekend
15P really cuts into "rifle that's a bit more pleasant to shoot" than pcc territory for me.

>>64450865
mmm, no, very unwise.

>>64450902
>>64451003
>>64451289
>>64451395
Poorfag alert, go eat dirt or something already

>>64437763
You do not understand that most 9mm is not subsonic. NATO does not have a standard subsonic loading for 9mm. 147grain 9mm is very rare in the real world.

>>64451424
Noguns alert
>>64451433
9mm is the most common pistol round in the world, much more common than 300blk meme rounds (cheap 300 supers icepick btw)

>>64451289
>300blk 15P with SC PDW Stock
Gob bless very jelly. How is it hot swapping between subs and supers? Can you run one gas setting and get reliable function with subs, but not atrociously punchy with supers?

>>64435519 (OP)
I would love to get my hands on one of these, it seems like it has mojo.

>>64451494
The higher setting isn't at all terrible with supers with that can, but it also takes no time to just flip the setting and it's probably easier on the gun so I always do. But if I wanted to run mags of each back to back it wouldn't be a big deal, more of an "oh yeah I probably should" thing, it doesn't actively remind you that you have the gas too high like some guns do since you get so little to the face. Has been great to me, no complaints besides what a bitch the muzzle device was to get off. Need to get another ShootingSight for it like I have on my other SCARs.

>>64451424
>shoot steel at 10 yards with a rifle round to prove I'm not poor enough for pistol calibers
>die

>>64438071
Stribog a3 with the a3 industries lower compatible with ar triggers and grips

>>64451424
Post guns

>>64446640
>Cmmg decent
They're still on pre-order here in Eastern Europe, can't wait for them to start selling these babies
>>64452157
I'll look into the possibility of getting one of those lowers, fuck if I know if it can be imported.

>>64451424
>t.cant afford a preban smg

>>64453535
Can you? poorfag lol9 shills are the brokest bitches on earth

oh cool you fags are in here dickpulling and flirting again
great job, faggots

>>64449768
Actually just got my G36 back from them doing a conversion on the SL8, they take a while but did a pretty good job. Wasnt able to find a receiver stub for the back of it though so I had to use one of those HDPS stock blocks but all the other work on it looks good.

firearms parts designer and engineering student here, im kind of maybe contemplating designing and selling an early cold war era style PCC with an FRT built into it, something with the same sort of aesthetic in mind as the carl gustav, owen gun, pps 43, and mat 49
is it something that might sell well if i could make it for decently cheap, or would it flop with most people just going for the tacticool shit and frt conversions of milsurp

i have a 9mm ar with a 10" bore
114 or 124 gr ammo for 120yrds?

>>64437932
Nothing Ukranian and also a weapon has ever been exported to US and they've been post soviet for 30 years, even if a truce is called tommorow why would that change?

>>64454093
why are you calling it a bore you goofus

>>64454116
because it makes boreholes
many fast

>>64451433
M1153

>>64452157
>you really gonna die for some chickens?

>>64453512
Cmmg sucks don't buy it

>>64454093
you could likely get better use out of the heavier bullet with the longer barrel, and it'll preserve it's momentum better at long ranges
would also recommend a hotter load of 9mm, like norma or S&B

>>64455105
Tell me more, what sucks about it? I want one without the buffer tube, so my choices are to wait for the dissent or buy one with and then a short stroke upper and those are usually rate

>>64456342
I say this everytime they get brought up here. I had a cmmg guard (which became the banshee) in .45 a few years ago. It was okay for the first couple hundred rounds with intermittent jams but eventually it got to ftf/fte-ing every couple of rounds no matter what kind of ammo I was using. It would choke up on regular ass ball ammo for christ sake. Of course I sent it back to the company and they claimed to have fixed it and sent it back to me. Same problem when it got back. Never made it through a whole magazine without failure. I started keeping tabs on it as the banshees got popular and there's a lot of people on reddit/YouTube having the same problem, quite a few vids of these things choking up. It's frustrating because they seem to have a lot of innovative ideas and designs, but they don't fucking work. I've also read that they're known for cheating out and using substandard steel on their parts. I think they put a lot of money into advertising and marketing and cheap out on the actual products. Anyway if they'd actually fixed the gun I would be nicer to them but they sent it back just as fucked up as when I sent it in so fuck em. I lost it to the cops shortly after which is even more infuriating because now I can't get the money back or even a replacement. Oh well. 1700 or so bucks down the drain but I learned my lesson. Don't trust cmmg or BPD ho gfs.

>>64458400
>Don't trust BPD hos.
I know your pain, brother

>>64458587
Got a story?

>>64458400
>>64458587
>>64458758
bpd girls are angels dont be mean to them

do it, if you got cash burning a hole in your bank account.

>>64460064
Bpd girls will get drunk and violently assault you, then have you arrested and get the cops to take your $10,000 collection of firearms and those pig niggers and the kike judges won't give them back even once the DA drops the charges.

Weren't we getting a US made one of these? Specifically .32 with a threaded barrel
I don't want to pay the 300% slavshit import tax

>>64441764
>>64443154
why? .44 magnum is worse than 5.56 while being more expensive

>>64462199
Because they're cooler than gay-balls ARs

>>64462612
the mini 14 comes in 5.56 you fucking retard

>>64462639
I like the mini 14s, but The 44 auto loader is still pretty cool and I wish they still made them. Some nigger shot down a helicopter with one back in the 70s

>>64462651
>I just loike em
fair enough
they seem to be about a pound lighter from looking it up which is nice. if you handload .44 then it seems like they might be an attractive option.
>Some nigger shot down a helicopter with one back in the 70s
lmfao that's awesome

>>64462667
Eh I was wrong. looks like he didn't shoot it down but he did manage to hold it off with the gun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex

>>64462651
>auto loader

you aren't in your 60s so please just say semi-auto.

>>64462907
Please just Blow me

>>64437741
NTA but get a 10/22 and shoot 1080FPS CCI out of it silenced. Also performs similarly. Torn on whether to use 1080 CCI in my hunting rifle or not because the supersonic stuff has quite a lot less drop. Love shooting mine; just need an MP5.

>>64441764
Seconding >>64443154; had a chance at one of these but it was so fucked I didn't realize what it was until much later looking back at pics. I mean missing all the furniture and rusted to shit but not missing parts oddly. Buried or housefire, not sure. If it wasn't a fire gun and the temper was OK and I had bought it I think trying to fit a Samson folder on the thing.

>>64462199
They're cool and they're a neat in-between rifle compared to the Ruger Police Carbine and Mini-14 and it still looks like the Mini. Fuck you they're neat.

>>64445542
Ok mr smart guy go stand downrange of someone popping shots at you with a suppressed PCC in 9mm if it's so dogshit

>>64435519 (OP)
Nexus EVO X-SD. Thank me later.

>>64437707
Integral sbr pccs run supersonics extremely quietly.
>>64443474
>>64450912
Based. No bully pl0x k thx

>>64441764
Wish they'd bring this back and make the XGI too
>>64445533
Holy based digits, chkd
>Picrel
>>64445844
This guy fucks, chkd

Also bump to save thread

>>64449739
Haven't fired it yet; taking it to the range this weekend and will report back. I have no intentions on doing a full conversion, but I do plan on swapping the thumbhole stock for a UMP-lookalike-but-not-converted fixed stock. pic related. I could forgive the USC thumbhole stock if it was just ugly, but it made the sin of being both ugly AND uncomfortable to hold.

>>64437131
Huh? Post your guns. 9mm is for limp wrist DEI.

>>64451433
Gold Dot G2? Law enforcement here, like the FBI, has been moving towards 147.

>>64445819
>>64445844
Heck of a shotgun!

I hate siggers, but what's the MPX like in comparison to the MP5?

>>64435519 (OP)
i was on the hunt for a dream pcc awhile ago and yeah the hk is out of my price range, even the parts to build one. so i kind of settled i wanted left hand operation so I got the full plastic lower because it has mag eject on the left and then i got new frontier lrbho upper, its kind of finicky with magainze followers you need to bend the hold open spring for one type of follower and then use only use that. a no name 6.5" barrel and a 10" suppressor kit.

>>64471145
I wanted to show that the suppressor was the ring type and it gets filthy dirty/ works good but I've always kind of wondered, how much volume it can hold with it assembled. so i tried it out, and it holds 4.9oz of water.

>>64460064
If by angels you mean the mountain sized horrifying wheels of burning eyes then yes, angels indeed

>>64471145
What handguard?

>>64471508
Looks like a Presma.
(presma dick)

>>64450020
Just put a picatinny grip on it?

>>64471508
Yep presma brand

I just want a full auto MP5 SD with a retractable stock. Wish they weren't the cost of a new car.