Thread 64455967

How does one company cause this much asshurt?

>>64455967 (OP)
Idk i like there stuff. Yeah its all clones but thats okay. I hope they last for years

>>64455967 (OP)
Fast food guns.

>>64455988
why is that a problem though, sounds like a pretty good thing to me. Mcdonalds of ARs. They've armed a lot of americans.

>>64455990
Well the problem is of course gluttony. Guns outnumber the population. People should get on a steady diet of saving your fucking money for something of quality.

>>64456034
totally

>>64456034
>instead of consuming a little all the time, consume a lot all at once
>gluttony is the problem
I still don't understand why I need to spend $2k on a rifle when the $400 one will do exactly what I bought it for.

>>64456034
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BUY SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE!!!!
>IT HAS TO BE A BRAND APPROVED BY ME!!!!

>>64455967 (OP)
People put way too much stock in the words that retards vomit onto this website in their jerk circle generals

>>64456048
>>64456053
>>64456055
Listen here gen alpha and zoom zooms, when I was a kid I aspired to own a garbage rod mosin and an sks. They are still antiquated and shit. But at least I will feel no shame in passing down military hardware with historical value to my kids. You are aspiring to McDonald’s toy level shit. It’s better than having nothing. But if you have more than one psa rifle, you need to learn the value of saving money.

>>64455975
>>64455990
>>64456048
>>64456053
>>64456055
>>64456058

>>64456068
so its an ego thing that makes you feel better when you have to part with it?
>At least I spent my money on the CURRENT THING everyone else approves of
How does that effect it's ability to perform what I bought it for?

PSA is fine but their fan boys are annoying. I think that's where most of the seethe comes from

>>64455967 (OP)
It's a good brand, they make new shit and offer stuff for affordable prices. Makes other companies have to keep up. Even if you don't like PSA, stuff from other brands is cheaper and more innovative because of them. Their impact on the market is extremely positive, and quite frankly their guns are fine. Just fine for the stuff they make, their ARs specifically are the same quality as any other.

>>64455967 (OP)
>How does one company cause this much asshurt?
They cause seethe by making cheap guns in the US. There are people in Brazil, Turkey, the Philippines, Argentina, etc., mad that these guys have stolen tons of customers from them.

>>64456082
It’s a standards thing. It’s why I would never eat Indian street food. Yeah…it would keep me alive…and yeah I would eat it if I was literally starving to death. It’s not like I don’t consume mountain house slop when I go camping. Having a cheap bug out gun or placeholder is fine. But where’s the joy in life if that’s all you aspire to consume? If PSA is really your one shop stop for multiple gun purchases, I just wonder why.
> so its an ego thing that makes you feel better when you have to part with it?
I actually believe in the machine spirits and that you place your soul into your weapons. It’s me literally leaving a piece of myself to my loved ones. Who the fuck wants to be left in a PSA product?

>>64455967 (OP)
They refuse to ship uppers to my cuck state despite it being explicitly legal to do so. Every other company under the sun has no qualms with shipping uppers to my front door except them. It wasn't really that big of a deal to me until their faggot ceo went on a marketing blitz, talking up a big game about how pro 2A they are and how they want to proliferate guns to the masses.

>>64456114
>Who the fuck wants to be left in a PSA product?
I'm kind of into pyro. I'd like to be packed into an aerial shell and shot into the sky. Or alternatively I want to be cremated in a TLUD stove, converted to pure carbon and used as charcoal in a black powder cartridge that propels a 50 caliber lead ball through a niggers forehead. I find making BP is rather theraputic, thinking about buying a muzzleloader one day, too bad PSA doesn't make those.

>>64456114
False equivalency

>>64456114
>I actually believe in the machine spirits and that you place your soul into your weapons. It’s me literally leaving a piece of myself to my loved ones. Who the fuck wants to be left in a PSA product?
It's about the way the item is used.
When you leave your soul in a cheap, throwaway product, it implies you understood you had limited time and finances, and sought to get all you could out of the things you had.
Where did you take it? What sorts of things have you shot? How skilled were you with it? What was its purpose?
I could go buy a Ruger in some NE caliber and hope to rub off my spirit on it, but that wouldn't make me an elephant hunter.
Let the things you gravitate towards tell the story of your life.

>>64456034
>PSAs aren’t quality
Seeing as they make so many ARs they’re probably better at making a serviceable weapon than a boutique shop that makes a couple hundred and charges a premium. Do you think 5.56 will shoot flatter, faster, and be more killy if your rifle was more expensive or something?

>>64455967 (OP)
PSA makes /k/unts seethe because they bought a $3000 AR that they never shoot and they see people running around and shooting $400 PSA ARs and having fun so they are jealous. It’s a sour grapes thing.

>>64456114
You’re a retard.
>I’d eat indian street food if I was starving because I think it will keep me alive
>but it will actually just give me diarrhea and make the problem much much worse
Yeah, retard confirmed

>>64456114
That’s not what a machine spirit is. A machine spirit is a shard of the Omnissiah, not a putrid sliver of your heretek soul.

>>64455967 (OP)
Eh their main stuff if fine, I like their ammo. Just hate their attempts to branch out because they're always trash for like 3 or 4 gens until it becomes someowhat usable. I also really hate PSA dickjockeys who act like PSA can do no wrong and that, because they own a 400 dollar AR, they're an expert on all firearms and just know the AR invalidates all other guns (no not just rifles, the AR invalidates everything else). What's also really fucking ironic is they're usually also the same kind of people saying people who just own a mav88 or a rough rider aren't real gun owners (despite owning 1 gun themselves, if even). Basically it's the strangest and most undeserved form of elitism I've ever bore witness to

>>64455967 (OP)
Why would I seethe over something I don't care about at all?
I don't own a Fiat, so why would I seethe over someone else buying one? That's their problem, not mine.
You want to buy a cheap gun, go ahead. It's your ass on the line.

>>64456118
Which gay state do you live in?

>>64455975
>there stuff
PSA buyers, everyone.
Slowclap.gif

PSA ARs are all you need
Even Chris Bartocci of Small Arms Solutions was impressed with the quality at that price point
Epitome of a sporting rifle

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

They're bretty based :DD

>>64455967 (OP)
Elitism

>>64455967 (OP)
Because /k/ in its retardation convinced itself that guns are somehow some sort of sekrit club thing.

>>64455967 (OP)
The only people that seethe about PSA are the /arg/ fags that "rattle can" their rifles to cover up their pristine brass deflectors.

>>64455967 (OP)
There's really no need to spend thousands on an ar15 unless you just like gucci guns or clones. For a beater meth head blaster you cant beat a $400 PSA.

It is gross when normies buy them and put amazon red dots and meme parts on them though.

>>64456708
What you don't like my chinese ripoff bursty blurry romeo 5 and magpul PR-DT buttstock on my $350 veterans day special?

>>64456626
does this kind of reply get you updoots on reddit?

>>64455967 (OP)
They're great guns for people that put them in the closet and never fire them.

>>64456727
>put them in the closet and never fire them
Sounds like your sex life

>>64456735
Projection, I'm happily married.

>>64456727
Not true at all. I've put thousands through PSA rifles.

>>64456034
>saving your fucking money for something of quality.
Like AR bolt and carriers by Carpenter for $70? I just got 2 from PSA, tyvm.

>>64456698
Praise Jesus, unironically.

>>64456739
So am I and I still suck dick

>>64456757
>unironically
No need to say that here fren. Christian website, Christian board

>>64456759
We all need hobbies, no harm no foul.

>>64455967 (OP)
Buy Heckler & Koch

>PSA website
Pretty gud deals
>PSA products in particular
needs to be either avoided or thoroughly checked for quality before buying and/or relying on

Shit QC, constantly make slop guns 80iq niggers shill for. Anyone content creator who calls them out gets their partnership with PSA canceled. I understand that theyre good for arming more people, but I hate the retards who think their PSA they shoot once a year is as good as brands that actually use quality materials and QC their shit

>>64456952
Kinda like primary arms, though personally I don't like their website, not a problem with prices but it just always runs awful regardless of what I use to access it

>>64456990
>not a problem with prices
Their prices are fine but their shipping and tax usually kills deals. Though I wouldn't know if that's still the case because I've refused to use their slow ass buggy fucking website for a long while now.

>>64456712
What's wrong with the Magpul DT-PR stock?

>>64457131
They haven't made a version for men yet

>>64455967 (OP)
the fact that they have some stuff permanently "on sale" tells me exactly what I need to know about them. the prices keep going up but its still "on sale"

all of their original inventions suck. the jakl sucks, the dagger sucks, their AKs suck worse than century. the "sabre" line has problems. I can't think of a single thing PSA does well other than "heh i got a deal on this"

guns for people who don't actually shoot their guns. Ironic that so many people hate them, considering 85% of you motherfuckers may as well have bought a psa 11.5" ar-15. it'd be a cheaper rifle you weren't going to shoot anyways.

>>64455967 (OP)
Because they prove large scale manufacturing does in fact drive down costs of products, meaning what nost all "high end" manufacturers charge for ARs and guns in general, is nothing more than a rollmark.

Do they have all the hallmarks of a premium rifle like a CHF CL barrel? No. But do these "premium" features add an extra $800-1000 to the cost of the rifle? Fuck no.

>>64456984
>Shit QC
This is what kills it for me, sure they have a warranty, but 1/5 firearms or uppers/slides are a lemon. If they increased prices by 20% and stopped letting the fucked up shit slip by I think they'd have a better reputation.

>>64457224
I took my guns to the range just yesterday.
It was a good time. Lots of fun.

>>64457247
pretty much. Some manufacturers charging 1500+ dollars for a pretty basic AR is ridiculous.

>>64457566
>Daniel Defense

>>64457174
I think the biggest scarlet letter they have is people saying they have great customer service. If I ever hear mention of customer service I'm running as fast as I can in the opposite direction

>>64457570
yeah pretty much. there's no reason for their rifles to cost 1800+ dollars

>>64455967 (OP)
>an incredibly obnoxious and dedicated group of fans
>company policy is to chase the bottom dollar
>they're proud of the fact that they cut corners and hire the cheapest laborers
>quality control is almost nonexistent and their warranty department takes months to get guns back to their owners
>put out videos for new projects that never go anywhere
>regularly ship blemished, rusted or used firearms as brand new
Gee I can't imagine why most people are wary of them

>>64457322
>send item in for warranty
>recieve another out of spec upper
>return
>repeat ad infinitum

I've gotten a couple of uppers from them and even a GF5 AK and had no issues. Am I just lucky are all the QC complaints overblown?

>>64456419
Me when I lie

>>64457848
>Am I just lucky are all the QC complaints overblown?
Completely overblown. But what else do you expect on this board or site anymore? It's become an even worse sperg echo chamber over the years, I'd bet most the people saying it don't even own a rifle let alone one from PSA

>>64456034
>something of quality
There's no point spending 5x the price for a gun that gets scratched on the inside 5% slower. Sorry, you are just being scammed. You can buy a new bolt/barrel for cheap in a PSA and it will make it infinitely cheaper than getting a DD and gloating about it online.

There is essentially zero performative difference between a cheap and expensive AR, it has been proven. It's just a way for rich anons like you to circlejerk each other:

https://youtu.be/cHGtjx_2qbQ?si=nCP7km_9gsxDD-JY

>>64456419
Yep

>>64457848
People whose AK's work perfectly fine don't complain about them online. If you took peoples' word at face value, then every company would seem to be garbage to an outsider

>>64456696
Now I gotta get another $400 PSA ar.

>>64456727
There only gun I rarely fire is my 300bo because I gotta stand on the corner to feed it. I'm even taking the shotgun out this weekend.

>>64456770
How bout I buy some turkshit instead.

>>64459682
Which is the lesser of two evils. Paying out the ass for H&K, or giving money to roaches...

>>64456727
Let's see your expensive, well-used guns anon

>>64455967 (OP)
because they want guns to be a privilege for the rich only.
I kind get it cuz I don't think non-whites should have access to firearms.

>>64459018
> There is essentially zero performative difference between a cheap and expensive AR, it has been proven.
That’s just not true.
https://youtube.com/@prestonjmoore?si=H0sKHmKXxLhBrsnQ

>>64455967 (OP)
Because they don't give a shit about QC.

>>64459691
the sp5 is literally the worst version of an mp5 to buy in america

>>64459691
MP5 options are pretty interesting. You have three choices, more or less. Give HK ~$2,500-3000 for an MP5 that has no front pin on the trigger group, buy a Turk MP5 for ~$800-1100, or buy a Paki MP5 for ~$800-1100. Choice is yours. NTA but personally I think I'm going Turk and I don't buy Turk anything. I only want one other Turkish gun and that's the Alof clone which isn't available in the US.

>>64459016
>Completely overblown
I've bought two stripped lowers and an upper from them. Credit where credit is due the H&R A1 lower was actually pretty nice. I don't think the other lower had a single hole that was in spec, and the upper wobbles horribly on every single lower I have, including one that is normally so tight that you have to use a bullet tip to push the rear takedown pin out.

>>64457247
>>64457566
>>64457570
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>>64459867
Ah yes, psa. The modern day messer. An attempt for the common man to be “just as armed” as people who actually dedicate their time to be proficient with a weapon. When in reality it’s just like the messer. A large knife tied to the hip of uppity poors (or in this case collecting dust in the safe) as a flex of perceived power. Newsflash, the people will real power own the night with nods and thermals. They can hit targets out to 500+ yards. They do room clearing and reloading drills to where they are smooth as butter. Go ahead and buy half a dozen psa rifles…you are just as ineffective as you were yesterday.

>>64460008
The people with 'real power' don't care about your nods and thermals. They just send guys in suits to ruin your life.

>>64460008
>spent ten grand on thermals
>gets attacked during the day
reddit brain on full display

>>64460096
>thermals
>day

>>64460008
>well I bet you aren't skilled with the $400 one
>well uhhh I've can afford thermals and can snipe people with shitty 5.56 at 500 yards
Anon, what the actual FUCK are you trying to say? Nothing you said had anything to do with ARs or PSA except the fact that you are seething that poor people can do the exact same thing you can

Also, shit will never hit the fan. And even if it did >>64460030

>>64460141
This is the guy that shows up at the range during the day in full kit with thermals

It makes people who overspent on gucci brand name shit feel bad and regret it, so they instantly seethe and try to justify it.
In 95% of cases you're literally just paying for the brand name. Its exactly like Louis vuitton bags vs some hipster unknown bags. Brand name marketing for women and niggers.
There are people who will only buy brand bame Tylenol instead of genetic acetaminophen.

Im gonna be buying a clone MP5 for 1/3 the price next month

>>64460179
There's nothing wrong with owning nice kit and training with it, it does give you a lot of capabilities if you have the skills to take advantage of them. I just get tired of these upper middle class wannabes talking themselves up like they're fucking super hard Delta 'operators' because they have a punisher skull tacoma and a set of dual tubes.

>>64460162
PSA owners talk about their gats like it’s fucking Colt’s “great equalizer”. When the reality of the situation is that a colt single action army was the cutting edge of firearms and cost the equivalent of a cowboy’s monthly wage back in 1873. That’s right you fucking poors. Actual hard working men who were serious about their protection bought the best of the best with an entire months wage.
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>>64456419
>>64456708
>>64457247
I just know that most of you have purchased $1-2k worth of PSA shite and are seething with jealousy and regret that your betters have impulse control.

>>64455967 (OP)
>built to consolidate, centralize (and destroy smaller manufacturers)

Because they're Fudd Walmart using slacktivist marketing for dubious quality controlled sloppa.

>>64457322
>sure they have a warranty
The warranty even sucks. I sent in an AR10 upper with a legit barrel problem(my fault to be fair) that was shooting easily double digit MOA, I forget exactly how bad, and they didn't catch it, I had to figure it out myself and replace the barrel.

And then I broke an antirotation tab on an AR15 handguard. It's a part the size of your thumbnail that is held on by ONE allen screw. They wouldn't send me the part, they would only send a shipping label to send it back.

All that said, I've found their parts to be generally good quality for the price. Not top tier like Rosco/Seekins/Noveske ofc but a cut above the other budget brands. 100% recommend buying one as your first(potentially last) AR but if so, you should really get a vice block and good armorer's wrench. And then rebuild the gun yourself with the right torque specs because they just threw that shit together like someone who gets paid by the hour, badly.

>>64457566
It sounds insane if you are ignorant to the number of details that budget brands skip, and the better materials top brands sometimes use, and the better machining, and the better qc, and more expensive coatings, ect. It really does add up. Guns are like many things, where quality increases linearly as price increases exponentially. A $500 PSA shitkicker is about 4/5 as good as a $3000 Noveske. That last fifth doesn't matter to most people and doesn't impact most situations, but the difference is there, trust me.

>>64460008
>Go ahead and buy half a dozen psa rifles
you're missing the point asswipe. They're enabling not rich people get access to guns. That will never not be based.

>>64460213
>nothing wrong with owning nice kit and training with it
therein lies the problem. As long as I've been on this board I rarely see groups get posted, least of all by anyone who claimed their gear was better than mine because they spent more on it than me.

>>64455967 (OP)
I have no complaints other than their flagship products either wear out super quickly or cost as much as a prestige brand.
They're trying to strike the middle ground of "cost effective but good" and they've kinda hit "Good if you plan on shooting 100 rounds a year".
I do enjoy their blem offerings and clearance parts though.

>>64460217
>I have to be careful with my money
>you're broke not me
kek

>>64460255
>The warranty even sucks. I sent in an AR10 upper with a legit barrel problem(my fault to be fair) that was shooting easily double digit MOA, I forget exactly how bad, and they didn't catch it, I had to figure it out myself and replace the barrel.
psa repair shop is fucking ass
sent in an upper for canting
got it back with a loose barrel nut. the only thing keeping the barrel on was the gas tube. you could shake the gun and the barrel moved.
they insisted it had been testfired and kept fucking around when i was trying to return it for repair. id get an email theyed tell me to do something. id do it. then some other random would reply asking the same shit i just answered. it was hey i dont believe you, sent video proof, oh ok do this to continue the return. new guy gets involved in the email chain who cant see the previous emails and asks for proof or whats happening. whole thing took over 7 months to resolve.
it was slightly canted in the opposite direction when i got it back but fuck going through that again cause they cant fix shit. fucking worthless warranty.

>>64455967 (OP)
because 85% of /k/ are glowniggers.

>>64456034
>buys 2000$ rifle
>no mags
>no optic
>milspec trigger
>no ammo for the gun
>no accessories cause money went to gun

gee i wonder why people get a 450$ psa

>>64460255
Yeah yeah, we all have a right to self defense. Blah blah blah. Call me classist, but I legitimately think poor people should not own guns this cheap.

>>64460400
>shall

>>64459970
>ignoring PTR
hell is real and it's wherever ignorant people willfully exist outside of the light of His knowledge.

>why does [thing] make [board im on] seethe???

go away

>>64460255
>A $500 PSA shitkicker is about 4/5 as good as a $3000 Noveske. That last fifth doesn't matter to most people and doesn't impact most situations, but the difference is there
i get that but i was moreso thinking about Ruger and S&W ARs; they're hardly any better than a cheap PSA yet they're often twice as expensive.

>be PSA
>make new gun
>sell it for a shit ton of money
>oh wait, you forgot how to make picrails, LOL
https://youtu.be/9OFzGT6Ppxo?si=nthMpJbgcHIUlxvR

>>64460592
Wht the fuck would you ever buy PTR after the stunt they're trying to pull with 3D printed suppressors?

>>64460255
6065 aluminum and 4045 steel is the same whether is machined by Noveske or PSA you learing retard. And when Noveske eifles are all OEM and Milspec built rifles, no, they are not worth $3,000.

>>64460615
>Simping for Focusshil who sells overpriced budget builds made from bottom of the barrel heinz 57 parts he can scavange from anywhere he can find, for insane markup
Uh huh

>>64457131
Nothing it's just funny to put a premium product, advertised for accuracy, on a beater tied to the world's shittiest 2moa dot.

>>64460928
>it's the same
Is it though. Is it really. Do you know that for a fact.

>>64455967 (OP)
The logo looks like two dildos.

>>64461113
whata bout spikes tactical?

>>64456419
>img
Good tat.

>>64461030
Yes, Chinglish. Turns out in the West, when you sell a company a certain grade of fucking metal, the Mill can and will actually get into a whole metric fuckton of trouble if they try and aell you an inferior product. Especialy seeing as your AR would fucking explode if it was made with an inferior material it wasn't fucking engineered for. Literally the only fuckibg difference between a PSA and DD, is the OEM manufacturing the BCG, and the barrel, assuming all else is mil spec because manufactueers, even high end ones, are not throwing away money making milspec parts they can buy in bulk cheaper than they can machine.

PSA makes trash toy wallhanger noise maker talismans for poor dumb short time preference idiots. The quality across multiple products of theirs is significantly below the lowest bar for what can be considered a real firearm in terms of reliability, longevity, durability etc. I just had to send a PSA AK102 back to them for warranty. Piece of shit.

Nitride barrels out the ass, bullshit specs on things like their AKs, shit chrome chambers on the small number of chrome lined ARs that they do have.

Fuck em.

>>64461379
You reapize the PSA logo is visible on your upper?

Then again, considering you tried to convert a Police trade in lower into a fucking pistol, its clear you're far from the sharpest tool in the sheed, at least not enough to realize this.

>>64461412
So what you're saying is that he has direct hands on experience for the claims he is making? Fascinating

>>64461412
>You reapize the PSA logo is visible on your upper?
>I'll have irony for $1000, Ken.
Burn.

>>64461412
>You reapize the PSA logo is visible on your upper
Almost as if I posted the picture of my own personally owned and used PSA product to provide evidence for the claims I'm making? Fucking retard.
>Police trade in lower
Wrong, idiot.

>>64461429
WGWS tries hard.

>>64455967 (OP)
They're great for beater guns. Not sure I would rely on them in a SHTF situation

>>64461443
>1P87
Is that the genuine Valdai version or Novus?

>>64461447
I know, I'm not a fan of his builds and he can get very fucking wordy which is annoying, but he has experience with what he's talking about which is why I'm pointing it out. Your "gotcha" was retarded.

Pic related, PSA AK failure. I would call this a deadly catastrophic failure because it results in failures to ignite primer and fire, and in order to remedy the failure you have to disassemble the bolt.

>>64461447
One might say I'm a "try-hard" (pick me)

>>64461460
>beater guns
>guns
They're not guns at all. Guns need to be considered in a binary manner in their status as firearms. They're either guns, or they're toy facsimiles, and PSA makes toy facsimiles.

>>64461480
Novus version, PDS-1
Honestly a very solid optic for the money, especially if you like the aesthetic. Good NIR light transmission for passive NVG use. Good brightness, good reticle sharpness. Shake awake, battery, build quality etc etc.

>>64461333
Supremely edgy but at least it's on-brand.

>no you don't get iiiiiit!!!
>it can't be as good it caaaaant!!!!!

You're right, and it's not.

PSA good for cheap shit you can have fun mag dumping at the range. If you want something to depend your life on, go with BCM.

>>64461368
Do you KNOW that specific manufacturer's 4140's composition is exact, the heat treating is full, etc?
With production there's always a range and tolerance for everything. Some mills shit out everything from both extremes of the spec range, some are more tightly controlled.

It's like when I'm handling galvanised road works and you can tell when Gregory fucked up their tank mix or had the dip too cold or were rush processing and didn't drip drain the pieces long enough or a mix of all three.

>>64461429
You fucking realize that the only thing PSA makes on that specific upper is the barrel you mouthbreathing, dribbling, retard?

>>64461443
Yeah? And I have a PSA upper that has no fucking problems, a DD upper that didn't have problems, and a BCM upper that did. Clearly PSA is as good as DD because you made no claims what so ever other than you had problems with an upper that PSA only makes the barrel of.

And nobody cares you committed a fucking felony with the lower shit for brains. Thats an old Colt LE6920 lower that Colt only ever sold as a complete rifle, judging by the cupped shelves on the safety and M4 style blending around the front pin. They did register some as SBRs, but seeing as you have a pistol brace on there, its still a felony, and no dealer would ever take one apart and try and sell one as a stripped lower.

>>64461504
The firing pins which you can warranty without issue on account of the fact that PSA openly admitted they got a bad batch years ago that were improperly heat treated and machined? Nigger, you're openly admitting you owned a safe queen for years and only just realized had a problem when you took it out to the range for the very first time since buying it. And again, outing yourself as a retard for byying a fucking Russian optic of all things.

>>64461634
Yes, yes in fact I dobecause 4140 is a METAL COMPOSITION SPECIFICATION detailing the exact aalow requirements in order for that stocm to be identified as fucking 41 fucking 40. Its not some magical fucking number you stupid cunt.

>4
Means its a molybdenum alloy steel
>1
Means has a specific amount of chromium alloyed
>40
Is a specific carbon and impurities designation assigned by the fucking ASME, which you'd know if you weren't some mouth breathing retard larping as an Engineer, because meth and prescription pain meds oblitterated any semblace of not being a mouth breathing faggot.

And steel alloy has nothing to do with zinc plating, holy fuck. Wear your O2 mask.

>>64455967 (OP)
If they were okay with people pointing out their Century Arms-tier of build quality without throwing around the threats of legal action I think I might have a mildly higher opinion of them. Otherwise nah, I'm good, f a m.

Dunno, don't care. I've enjoyed and shot my PSAshit AKs and ARs just like I've done with my nicer builds and that's all that matters to me

>>64461705
>Yes, yes in fact I dobecause 4140 is a METAL COMPOSITION SPECIFICATION detailing the exact aalow requirements in order for that stocm to be identified as fucking 41 fucking 40. Its not some magical fucking number you stupid cunt.
you believe chinese d2 is actually d2 cause it says d2

>>64461793
How's the putnik on the krinkov?

Because poors sully a hobby that should be reserved for humans

>>64461806
Okay retard.
>>64461368
>Yes, Chinglish. Turns out in the West, when you sell a company a certain grade of fucking metal, the Mill can and will actually get into a whole metric fuckton of trouble if they try and sell you an inferior product. Especialy seeing as your AR would fucking explode if it was made with an inferior material it wasn't fucking engineered for.

>>64461868
>Especialy seeing as your AR would fucking explode if it was made with an inferior material it wasn't fucking engineered for.
Oh yeah all those 3d printed or polymer ars instantly exploding

>>64461822
Quite nice, but I've recently discovered and switched to a far more shitty and cursed setup

>>64461877
All those 3D printed and Polymer ARs with 3D printed fucking barrels, BCGs, and gas systems?

Sounds like I hit a nerve, Chinglish. Why don't you go back to huffing paint thinner, and pretending you know jack or shit about Engineering when all you do is pretend to work on a construction site, while silently seething your dreams of becoming the next JMB were filtered by Calculus I derivatives.

>>64461705
>the only thing PSA makes on that specific upper is the barrel
Yeah and it's fucking trash too. They get FN rejects and don't bother deburring them before cranking them onto an upper at 3000lb/ft of torque. Sorry you bought a trash rifle, brother.

>>64461705
Shit you're dumb nigga.
Sorry, or happy for you

I ain't readin all that.

Are the Sabre's just as good as /k/'s recommended maker in that price range.

>>64462051
I like psa but u should prob not get a sabre

>>64462071
Aero then?

>>64462083
Aero qc is nonexistent in current year. BCM still g2g, but their prices are at the point where you're better off ponying up for the next highest price tier

>>64461978
NTA, but quit trying to enforce twitter's character limit here you dumb nignog.

>>64461891
What even is that

>>64462183
That's a reference to a text message exchange but keep on being stupid mr. Everybody is China dumb faggot nigger cunt bitch

>>64462051
The correct answer for a cheap but good AR has always been to assemble your own. Get a cheap upper and lower, buffer tube, gas block, small parts, a midrange handguard if you plan on putting an IR laser on it, and use the money you didn't waste on a premium rollmark on a good trigger, barrel, BCG, and optic instead.

>>64462219
I really don't care what its origin is; it's dumb and you're using it to bitch about post length on a site that never had super small post length restrictions, which is really gay. Twitter seriously might be more your speed.

>>64455967 (OP)
Avg palmetto review:
I just it out the box, sat my fat ass on a chair, fired an entire magazine with zero malfunctions!

Customers are either shithead safe queen consoomers or insiders. I got banned from their forum, and my posts deleted. Fuck them.

>>64456952
>no stock
LOL do you realize the guy on the right is actually black with a double digit IQ?

>>64462232
>The correct answer is something that barely anybody does and even less want to do
I get that you're trying to move the goal post, strawman, be contrary, and sneer from your high horse, but could you not be a massive faggot while you do it?

im not an operator and i don't intend on engaging anyone past like 25yd (or hopefully at any distance ever). I can stay in the A zone or 10 point ring at 100yd. in what metric is a PSA not entirely sufficient for my use case?

>>64462285
But that is what we do?

If you're retarded just buy a cheap psa lower and a decent upper and a decent optic.


Even psa fans tell people to just buy a psa rifle and replace the upper once they actually start shooting

>>64462337
There isn't a single AR made in the past 15 years that can't do 1-moa or within .25 of it when benched and running good OTM/SMK/TMKs.
Just this Tuesday I achieved 1 moa@100 with mine using a 2 moa red dot of all things, and practically unable to see the red center marks of my sight in target. Rested prone, but not hard benched i.e. an immobilizing sled.

I'll slap my 3x mag back on and do some more range time Saturday morning and then post the target, I'll do 9 sets of 5 shots and three diff 77gr brands.

They are the Costco of firearms. 2A enthusiasts love them because they’re shifting the needle on “standard common use”

>>64462710
Torture tests on PSA AR15s far outperform gucci slop.

>>64463014
N

>>64463076
I

>>64463081
G

>>64463089
G

>>64463091
E

>>64463096
R

>>64463076
>>64463081
>>64463089
>>64463091
>>64463096
>>64463097
>all posts are a minute apart
fake and gay, samenigger.

>>64455967 (OP)
They make shit tier guns that fall apart and when you ask the poors who claim they are "jus as guud" as a DD or knights they never can and just endlessly cope seethe post and never preform or show proof they can.

>>64463189
I will bet $10 you cannot post a gun of your own

>>64460361
You know that good AR15's only cost about 800-1000 dollars right?
With a budget of 2k you can get a good rifle, 10 magazines, 1000 rounds of M193, and an aimpoint with some money left over.
>>64461544
occasionally there is a PSA rifle thats shipped out, coincidentally, that is in perfect spec, they ship out so many units that its bound to have happened a few times. The odds of this being in your hands are microscopic. What is more likely is that you get a lemon from the lemon tree and wonder why your AR15 barely functions.

>>64461544
Buy a PSA ak and get back to me when it inevitably fail within a 1000 rounds.

>>64462252
Average "high end" AR review
>I just got it out the box, put on all my cool guy accessories I got on ARMA/CoD/Battleduty Field milsim/Tanks of War, took a bunch of photogenic pictures with my iPhone, put on my chest rig, took some selfies, posted them on Reddit, then put it away in my $20 case I bought ftom Walmart. Works perfectly!

>>64463358
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAYMhyQBEU

>>64460276
Groups dont mean that much. I'd be more interested in draw times and hit factor. Like everyone can hit a b8 at 25yds but can you do it from the holster fast? Like first round from the holster in a second fast?

>>64463140
Yeah, no shit

>>64463331
NTA but I've got two that have shot well past that.

This thread is a bunch of faggots with no guns shitting on PSA with (maybe) a few faggots that actually own a PSA rifle or two saying nuh uh. What a waste of fucking bandwidth.

>>64455967 (OP)
I honestly dont know. I started with a psa but after so many rounds and a fair amount of 2 gun matches it started to break. Charging handle got bent and l think maybe the bcg or something was starting to go. It performed well at first. Eventually decided to spend more money and built a couple more rifles one with bcm and one geissele. They have had zero problems so far. I think people from both ends project and never actually interact with other shooters of varying levels of money and skill. People from both ends assume the other doesnt shoot enough or take firearms seriously enough. And even if you are skilled it doesnt mean youre right. One product is inferior but l mean if it meets your needs then who cares?

>>64463331
Oh, wow, showed me. Guess I'll...
>>64463465
>got two that have shot well past that.

Oh wait, looks like you're still full of shit! Bwahaha!

>>64463500
>reddit spacing nigger
Ok, opinion discarded.

>>64455967 (OP)
Personally I find their guns fine. Had a dagger and still have an AR9 and they're both just solid guns that never give me much fuss. As a company though I can't abide by how they treat negative press and I really dislike their fans that act like they got one over on everyone and the market as a whole because they bought a cheap AR that didn't kill them.

Also I've had a few issues with AAC personally, some of their 9mm came out of the box with corrosion on the cases. I also got a round of their 556 with a mangled case straight from the box as well. I've never encountered that issue with any other manufacturer, especially not mangled cases, even with surp ammo

As a final note, I dislike their website. It's clearly designed to induce as much FOMO in customers as possible with the constant "daily deals" and "sales" which don't actually change the price. Layout is also a bit fucky, like magazines are under gun parts instead under the AK/AR/handgun tabs or selecting glock mags shows you only glock manufacturered mags instead of mags compatible with glocks

>>64461634
Peopl who haven't worked in manufacturing don't understand what a difference tolerances make. I don't have a dog in the PSA fight, but tighter tolerances in materials and machining cost exponentially more the tighter you go and the resulting product is more logarithmic. Someone is going to be in that sweet spot where the lines cross and it's not going to be the cheapest product.

>>64461705
>You fucking realize that the only thing PSA makes on that specific upper is the barrel you mouthbreathing, dribbling, retard?
And you realize that contract manufacturers do runs for customers, cull what doesn't meet the customer's spec, and then offload the culls on a discount buyer. You can have 4 companies getting the same part from the same factory and the quality of the part bought from one of theose 4 companies will vary significantly.

>>64463608
Do you have anything to back up this statement

>>64463763
Statistics.

>>64461443
>my own personally owned and used PSA product to provide evidence for the claims I'm making?
>backpeddles

>>64463763
he does not

>>64463763
>he thinks American manufacturers produce everything in house
retard

>>64455967 (OP)
Poorfag shit for poorfag niggers, they break before 4k and even the nasty girl gets rifles that outlast that

>>64463825
So you don't

>>64463593
Nigger all steel alloys as specdby by SAE and fucking AISI, and cerified by fucking ASME, is 4140 whether fucking PSA, Daniel Degense, fucking Boeing, god damn Locheed Martin, or my hapless fucking ass guys it.

Making steel isnt some magical lost fucking art, its fucking idiot proof, and if it wasnt, manufactuers wouldn't be fucking using it as the blanket barrel steel material, let alone making or selling pencil barrels, let alone fucking dimping them, or drilling them for cross pins.

The same goes for the fucking tool steel that goes into BCGs. Theres a reason why theres like 5 OEMS for BCGs, because Toolsteel is a bitch to work with, and BCGs requires specific machinery, tooling, and tempering procedures to not explode.

>>64463608
You fucking realize "mil spec" isn't some fucking marketing bullshit? You fucking realize that if the parts weren't in fucking spec, they wouldn't fucking work in your gun? Do you have any fucking proof for Fudd fuckery you're pulling out of your ass, or are you another one of the clowns without an Engineering degree that is about to try and lecture someone WITH one on how manufacturing, tolerances, and fucking OEM manufacturing works? Because news flash shit for brains. The screw holding your fucking pistol grip onto your lower is the finest machined piece of metal on your fucking gun.

>>64463825
The manufactuers who make AR15 OEM parts don't even consider themselves manufacturers of gun components, because the firearms industry isn't as big as you have deluded yourself into believing pit of sheer ignorance.

>>64463399
Do I need a $3000 AR to improve my draw times?

>>64463825
And a ching chong nip nong to you too, 50 center

Post guns you own

>>64463843
>You fucking realize that if the parts weren't in fucking spec, they wouldn't fucking work in your gun?
you can go horribly out of spec and have it still function if where its out of spec isnt a critical dimension

>>64463886
My collapsing stock positions are out of spec by well over 0.050"! This is outrageous!

>>64455967 (OP)
I'm getting a PSA 11.5" (4chan's rifle)

because anything affordable makes /k/ seethe.

most of you are defined by how much you spent rather than how well you run your shit

>>64463872
Ok, now you.

>>64456114
>mountain house slop
not only eating $15 onions-REs, but admitting to it openly

>>64463943
Nigger how are you this bad at this

>>64463990
I don’t have any more recent pics on my phone. You still haven’t posted one of your own, noguns.

>>64463994
Less excuses, more actually putting in the effort sonny

>>64463994
are you too stupid to take new pics or something

>>64462207
Griffith adapter with a surefire muzzle device. I had one on a real 74u for awhile but didnt like it that much.
>t.another anon

>>64464000
>>64464005
I’m comfy on my couch, in my home that I own, watching the shield. Believe me or don’t niggers.

>>64464016
other anon is right how the fuck are you so dogshit at this

>>64464017
>niggers want me to tap dance for them
Ok nigger

>>64464016
>Gets mogged by lugeranon
>Tries to retort with the single faggiest reply and optout imaginable
Genuinely embarrassing.

>>64464024
uh huh, noguns. Sure.

>>64464025
>>64464021
>>64464016
>>64463994
Why are brown people like this??

>>64464029
you are brown and round

>I can't be bothered to take an actual pic of my shit, I'm watching TV
>[makes numerous replies to posts within seconds]
Oh lawdy he seethin!

>>64464032
I haven’t moved from my couch, yes. I posted a gun of mine. You still haven’t. Thanks for capitulating. Feels good.

>>64464016
Clock out bro

My first AR was a PSA freedom, have a couple other lowers as well. All work great with no issues. Bought a GF3 103 clone a couple years back for $800ish. Had obviously been sitting in the warehouse a while and not inspected at all before it was shipped. Had rust oozing out of the support pin and a couple rivets, some very minor surface rust inside and on the bolt. They offered to have it shipped back and looked at but I just fixed it myself instead. Am reluctant to buy anything else if they can't even take 10 seconds to look at things before they ship.

>>64464056
Give it a rest, lil bro.

>>64464016
Disappointing, but not unexpected

>>64464035
>couch
Either you have /k/ on your TV or you use a couch as a chair. Sounds cozy though

>>64464064
>>64464065
I’m on my phone, how is this a foreign concept?

I’m playing BF6 now.

>>64455967 (OP)
It's mostly that its fanbase is EXTREMELY annoying.

>>64464096
>I’m on my phone, how is this a foreign concept?
Basically the entire internet outside of the main platforms are computer-centered, it's unusual to use one like this on a phone
>playing BF6 now.
iz et gud?

>>64464121
Yeah, it’s good. I wouldn’t say great for now. There are some bugs and issues that still need to be smoothed out, but it’s fun. Especially fun pissing off snipers by counter sniping.

>>>/wsg/6015843

>>64455967 (OP)
because pseudorichfags (actually poorfags with a superiority complex) are insufferable. They're only second to poorfags, who almost always have an inferiority complex, and are near equally insufferable.

Combine the two and any discussion about PSA is bound to be endless seethe. The truth is they make an ok rifle, but often have extremely poor quality control and assembly practices, and cut corners in many places.

I only have an mp sport that I've only shot a few times, because I kinda ruined it with a bunch of uncomfortable tacticool chink slop airsoft gun parts..
Im thinking of buying a psa 11.5" kit so I can build and assemble it myself and learn about all the parts. It will be like a beater gun, i want it to have a bunch of wear and scratches. Is this a good idea?
Its in my queue after I buy an AKM and mp5 clone I want

>>64464295
just beat on the m&p. those are cheap enough that you shouldnt feel bad about it. buying another gun thats pretty much the same as what you have except barrel length to beat on is dumb. if you hate the current furniture on the m&p just replace that furniture.

palmetto is good. if its a proven platform, the overall difference between a super high end AR-15 and an anderson AR is not that much if you take care of them the same, and skimp slightly less on BCG, etc.

>>64462260
you realize you can just put one on it yourself

>>64463913
see >>64460615
>PSA claims to make milspec picrail
>it isnt to spec
PSAs milspec stuff becomes not-milspec when they dont service their machines as much as they should

>>64460928
>Simping for Focusshil who sells overpriced budget builds made from bottom of the barrel heinz 57 parts he can scavange from anywhere he can find, for insane markup
so the PSA Sabre?

>>64464986
Like the out of spec UTG rails and Anderson blem uppers Focusshill charges Aero precision prices for, on his "bespoke" and "boutique" builds he doesn't accept returns or warranty service on. Unless you buy his "premium" uppers, which he uses actual fucking airsoft parts on to pad hia bottom dollar, which wouldn't be as bad if he also didn't charge real shit prices. The cunt has a financial interest in bashing PSA, and nothing he says or claims can be trusted.

>>64463843
There is just nobody in this thread as dumb as you man. Things have a spec. Specs have allowable ranges. Heat treatment and nitriding also have specs and ranges and procedures.
You dont know if 4140 block A from supp A is as "within ideal margin" as 4140 block B from supp B. You dont know how part maker A or B are doing their heat treatment and nitriding.
And then we have the variable of
>how exact was it machined, how within tolerance were the machines, etc. and etc.

All specs are the same on paper. No produced part is going to be the same.
This is the entire reason why from the beginning of time and until forever ends, people will always be discussing, for everything not just gun stuff, which maker is good *right now* which maker fell off, which one seems to have a current batch problem, etc. and etc.

Again, you're fucking dumb. You are the blackest gorilla retard nigger in this entire thread.

>>64465236
Holy fucking shit, 4140 IS A FUCKING SPECIFICATION WITH A BUILT IN FUCKING TOLERANCE FOR CHEMICAL COMPOSITION, WITH MECHANICAL PROPERTIES LISTED FOR A WORST CASE SCENARIO YOU FUCKING IDIOT. AND THERE ISN'T A FUCKING MILL IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE US THAT SELLS 4140 THAT ISN'T TO SPEC BECAUSE ITS NO LONGER 4140 YOU GOD DAMN RETARD.

Similarly, if AR parts are being made outside of Milspec, THEY WOULDN'T FUCKING WORK IN YOUR GUN BECAUSE PARTS THAT FALL OUTSIDE THE M4 MILITARY SPECIFICATION DO NOT FUCKING WORK BY. DESIGN. YOU. CUNT.

WHAT. PART. DO. YOU. NOT. UNDERSTAND. YOU. STUPID. CHINK?

Go ahead, show me your Mechanical Engineering degree, fucking do it. Hell, show me any fucking Engineering degree that you have. Do it, cmon. You love babbling all this hot shit you don't know the faintest fucking thing about clearly since you operate under the delusion that adding 2% fucking chromium and molybdenum to 98% wrought steel is god damn magic to your chink or pajeet fucking brain, so provide any fucking evidence that Calculus 1 derivatives didn't filter your hapless fucking ass from achieving your dreams of beibg the next John Browning.

>>64465338
Blackest retard gorilla nigger award.

>>64457555
god i love shooting it's so goddamn fun.

>>64457247
A small 4-5 man shop simply can't afford to price their stuff any less than double of what mass manufactured units retail at. There's also the issue of financing and risk and etc. You give that shop a $10 million loan and they can 4x their workforce and 10x their production, and maybe they can knock 50% off of their prices, and run nearly at-cost while now servicing a large debt.

>>64464972
YES but I also realize the madness of not

>>64463389
Dead on balls accurate post. Gauge checked, properly torqued, and totally based post.

That guy's videos changed my entire life. I'm in the process of trading all my ARs because of those videos.

>>64465582
No you aren't

>>64461806
Does PSA get their steel from China?
If not, your argument is fucking retarded

>>64461634
>Some mills shit out everything from both extremes of the spec range
If it's within the specification, it's within the specification; if it's not, it's not. It's that fucking simple.

>>64465582
>I'm in the process of trading all my ARs because of those videos
post these hypothetical ARs

>>64465744
New moon, during a lunar eclipse, at the middlest of night, with a 15,000 feet thick cloud layer, darkest, deepest, most abyssal of black gorilla retard niggers.

>>64465838
Wheres your Engineering degree, retard?

>>64465874
Look man the only way I can insult you any further is if I start using an LLM to cogenerate it.

>>64465874
Just call him a brownoid and be on your way. Neither side is budging and internet arguments are for retards.

>>64465504
I'm correcting a trigger habit on my side. Held too long, too hard, and my shots veered off as a result. Still, it all feels good.

>>64465883
>SAR YU ARE BLACK SAR YU ARE BLACK
Sweet, post your fucking diploma, dipshit.

>>64464016
>>64464035
Are you one of those weirdos with a humiliation kink?

>>64465838
I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean.

>>64466175
he's calling you blacker than black

>>64465838
>>64466184
Well, I'll just echo >>64465874 I suppose.
I got mine, where's yours?

I love them. They make cheap guns readily available. Gate keeping faggots hate them because they superimpose their own autism into others. The reality is most shooters shoot a few times a year or just keep their guns in their closet in case of a break in. A $500 rifle can handle that. Easily. Anyone who spends $2500-$3000 on a Gucci brand AR for that reason is a retard.

>>64466047
>>64466175
>>64466201
I didn't think it possible, but,
You're all so unbelievably dark your skin redshifts the UV light spectrum into visible.
You glow in the night.
As Saint Terry A. Davis, esquire, (PBUH) woukd say,

You are CIA glowniggers. You glow in the dark.

>>64464234
I don't care either way, I'm just curious. I hear people say PSA has quality control issues all the time but I never hear them actually explain them. Never experienced it myself because I haven't needed to replace my barrel but over torqued barrel nuts are one that I here. Maybe under torqued castle nuts. I can imagine how this could be a terminal issue for someone whose never turned a wrench in their life before but a lot of times poors are used to working with their hands so it's not a huge issue.

>>64466359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSaULGxrles&t

>>64457624
>Proper gauge, tolerance, and torque, just skip them, and gibbs me dat 400$ AR-15

great logic mr. abase

>>64460361
just ignore the laundry list of malfunctions from ill-fitting parts and youre correct mr. abase

>>64465749
>(2) BLACK RAIN ORDANCE
>(2) PSA 350$ SHIPPED BUILDS

Keeping the 11 inch barrel build

>>64466452
Bruh

>>64460361
>buy $3500 rifle
>add $6000 worth of optics
lol nothing personnel

>>64465035
i wouldnt buy anything from either; bottom line is that PSA sells Jakls for insane prices and theyre utter shit.

>>64466773
what the fuck is that on top, is that an AI generated scope?

>>64467032
it's two different scopes mounted on the same gun.

>>64467041
Why though?

>>64467054
for shitposting, it's not actually usable like that

>>64464299
Well I want to have one as a mint condition back up shtf gun

>>64466359
In my experience, canted FSB and a crossthreaded retaining nut on a handguard that canted it to the right so that I couldn't use a flip up front sight. Those were two upper I bought from PSA and I returned both of them because I'd heard how shitty the wait time was for repairs. To be absolutely fair, I had an DD upper with a canted FSB, but it was close enough that I could zero it with the windage pegged to the right, still sent that one in for repair
>>64463763
Auto parts are the first US made example I can think of, all of those house brand parts from autozone/oreilly's/etc. Are factory seconds that are still within tolerance, but outside the spec of whoever the inital production run was for. I worked for kenmore 30 years ago and all our appliances were sourced from contract manufacturers. You pay for materials and tolerance, we'd give our specs and pricepoint, and they would give materials, tolerance, and expected failure rate. Sometimes we just bought factory seconds, our water heaters specifically were factory second AO smith. I'm not saying PSA is chinesium, but it is completely possible to source inferior parts from flawed materials at a discount from a manufacturer that makes premium parts. PSA being the lowest priced option tells me that they are spurcing the lowest quality parts that don't pose a liability risk.

PSA is fine. I prefer the H&R stuff they sell. Honestly it's probably made by the same people but I own three and have had zero issues with them. I honestly prefer shooting my H&R retro builds over my URGI or Sopmod Block II clones.

>>64467093
The reason why a chinesium car wheel bearing will grind out in 25k miles and an oem replacement will last as long or longer than the original, and the price reflects that, is the same reason why a $400 gun is as prone to chance while a $1,000 isn't.

But if I keep talking I'll have some autismo fresh graduate dumbass ask me to post my Engineers Guild of Approval club membership so that's all I'll add to your post.

>>64467235
Yeah, except it doesn't even have to be chinesium, being off by a few thousandths is enough to cause premature failure.

>>64459691
Well roaches are blowing up ziggers, so... just this once.

>>64467136
Nope, sorry
It'll explode because it's. 000001 out of spec, and will have minor additional wear in 5k rounds
You will literally die

>>64467254
>Source: my ass

>>64455967 (OP)
Because even if they can source decent parts, they can't assemble them correctly to save their lives.
>t. FSB was canted so far my rear sight couldn't cope and I had to send the upper back just in time for the kung flu

>>64467317
>why do all my duralast parts keep failing in my shitbox? They come from the same factory.

>>64466821
>PSA sells Jakls for insane prices and theyre utter shit.
What's so shit about them? They look neat.

>>64456408
This.

I regularly and with minimal effort outshoot guys with Howa and Bergara rigs, and I use a Savage 110 in a knockoff MDT chassis that the mag wiggles in. They're 3500 into their rifles, im at 1400 including optics.

Its current year. Its way more the rifleman than the rifle nowadays.

>>64457322
that's part of the business model flood the market with cheap dogshit and drive smaller retailers out of business so they can corner the market

>>64455967 (OP)
Their I don't give a fuck negress customer service is the absolute worst in the industry.

Morons will assert that a PSA is as good as x. Maybe your PSA is great but they are notorious for putting rifles together poorly. Crooked front sight bases. Incorrectly torqued barrels. Rough chambers. They do not put the same level of care and attention to detail into their guns as some other manufacturers.

That said, they make inexpensive guns and many people are happy customers. I would buy a rifle from them, I'd just make sure to thoroughly test it before relying on it.

>>64467416
problems abound, like out of spec picrails evidently

>>64456601
California

>>64468312
if i lived in california and tried to enjoy guns i think i would just kill myself

>>64466336
Kek
Yeah sure, buddy.

>>64456068
Idk fag. I have both. My crate of mosins has done pretty good value wise.

Just wish armslist wasnt dead so I get more cheapies.

>>64466049
Nah, nigger, I’m chilling. Stay malding.

>>64455967 (OP)
90% glowies here now. Hate Americans owning affordable american made firearms.

>>64456068
>own a garbage rod mosin and an sks.
If you can't get the job done with an sks, then you sure as hell can't do it with an AR ever.

>>64456048
JB weld fix it rite up

>>64456118
>>64468312
literally same. not California, it's Colorado, but still. they won't ship a gun with a 15 round mag despite it being totally legal, they just want to lazily cover their own ass and simultaneously talk a big game about being "so pro 2A and arming the public as much as possible." otherwise, their ammo sales kind of suck, too; it's never actually a sale. they just double the "original" price and the sale is generally the same cpr for that ammo anywhere else or a touch more. everyone kind of knows their ARs are kind of hit or miss, but their parts are generally alright, and since they started as a middleman selling whatever bargain pallet of parts they can get their hands on, they still do that just fine.
>looking for a cheap 9mm Glock clone as a first gun for all the first gun reasons, maybe even carry later
>think about buying a micro dagger c-1
>PSA won't ship it with mags even though it'd be legal, wtf
>would actually be mid 400's after transfer fee and taxes and just show up in a cardboard box
>still gonna want to do the glock thing and put a trigger in it and a sight and bla bla and at that point it gets to be a 6-$700 gun
>realize i don't actually want an integral comp anyway since they don't do much for micros but just make the gun even more loud
>realize psa is just taking advantage of this niche gunbro "comp'd carry" fad going on
>realize psa is kind of just a bunch of longnose tribesmen from Florida making fast money with good marketing
>fuck it, what's available at my brick and mortar LGS already?
>after browsing options, wind up ordering a Canik through them since ordering a specific make/model by name doesn't come with fees
>dgaf if it's foreign, probably the best factory trigger for the price, and as being owned by a defense contractor it seems they have decently reputable standards for tooling/qc
>shooting with a dot for $600 flat before ammo
>still get PSA emails, very rarely is there actually a deal, ammo is always the same price

>>64455967 (OP)
They beta test on their customers