Thread 64462462

>Should we hang the bayonet off the bottom of the barrel?
>No put it in the barrel so you can't use the gun while it's affixed

>>64462476
He's back, the machine translated file name guy!

>>64462462 (OP)
Bonus damage if you forget to remove the bayonet

>>64462476
You know Manbitch, running the filenames through Yandex translate doesn't hide the fact that you're a serb.

>>64462484
I wonder what great humiliation the Global Majority™ suffered to prompt this wave of spam; he's doing it in completely random threads.

>>64462500
mandick hasn't had a drop of russian cum ever since the ukies blew up the pipline years ago. every time he remembers the flavor and starts to get the cum shakes he come here and spams.

>>64462462 (OP)
I've heard the take by some reenactor that it isn't so easy to forge a socket bayonet... but is that really true?
Plugging your hunting knife into the barrel is fine for a mid 17th century solution but it took until the late 1690s for socket bayonets to come around and even then they weren't adopted wholesale until the middle of the 18th century.

>>64462764
I'm just a random retard on the internet with no metalworking experience, but I would imagine that in a pre-industrial context, it would be doable to make if you had the money, but it wouldn't be economical to mass-produce them on the scale of an army within usable tolerances (either being a struggle to fix on or just falling off when any force is applied).
To draw a comparison, metallic cartridges and breech-loading were known concepts going all the way back to the middle ages, but were only ever viable as low volume items (e.g. a couple of reusable steel cartridge cases made bespoke to specifically fit one single gun) and had issues with gas sealing.

>>64462462 (OP)
is that HILLARY???

>>64462492
You know at least one proto-kommando did his best to figure out how large of a load of powder it would take to launch the bayonet effectively.

>>64462764
the issue is doing it at scale with tolerance, given that it is a secondary piece of equipment on what was already sometimes a pricey item. the plug bayonets were meant for "oh hey we've been charged out so we won't be shooting anyway"

>>64462462 (OP)
>>64464345
If you are in a situation where the plug bayonet goes on you wouldn't be shooting anyway, nevermind reloading.

>>64462973
I mean, socket bayonets were produced en masse by pre-industrial societes after by the 18th century.
>>64464345
>>64464350
Yeah, musketeers with plug bayonets were still deployed side by side with pikemen. But it helped that socket bayonets merged those two roles adequatly (bayonets were never as good as pikes or even spears - but this doesn't matter because a pike/spear can't shoot) into a single soldier.

>>64462462 (OP)
Makes sense for such a weapon - single shot, front-loaded, impractical in close quarters, might as well give it more reach and use it as a pike.

>>64462764
>I've heard the take by some reenactor that it isn't so easy to forge a socket bayonet... but is that really true?
making a truly round barrel is hard.its not hard now with modern tools but its hard. making a socket that slips over this barrel is you have to hand fit each one.
the socket is integral to the bayonet too adding complexity
even in the 1900 with mosins it was doable but hard.the bayonets arent intechangable.
with a plug its fitting the caliber and the plug handle doesnt have to be perfect just good enough.

>>64462462 (OP)
It was more like
>Shit we're out of ammo/going to be charged before we can reload
>Better stuff these daggers into the barrels so at least we've got spears.

Plug bayonets were shit and everyone knew they were shit but it was an emergency measure when shit met fan. As soon as better bayonet designs came out everybody switched over as fast as they could.
>>64462764
Compared to Plug Bayonets? Way easier. Plug bayonets had conical grips so you just pushed them down the barrel until they were snug. Socket bayonets had to be carefully fitted. Too tight and you couldn't get the damned thing around the barrel if it was still hot from shooting. Too loose and it would rattle and slip right off the gun.

>>64464459
>>64465323
Muskets also make for good clubs

>>64465711
A good wooden club, sure, but even a good wooden club is pretty shit compared to all the other weapons out there. I mean, how does a musket butt compare to a sword, a mace, or a halberd?

>>64467201
>sword
Clubbed musket has more reach
>mace
Clubbed musket has even more reach
>halberd
Clubbed musket has of course less reach
But it's not like a bayonet turns the musket into a good spear - the ergonomics of a musket aren't that great and it's heavier and shorter than spear.

Bump

>>64467812
>Clubbed musket has more reach
Debatable. You generally want to choke up on a musket stock or it'll be slow to the point of uselessnesss. Even at it's fastest you'll be far behind a sword.
>Clubbed musket has even more reach
But not as much damage.
>But it's not like a bayonet turns the musket into a good spear
Nor does it make a good club. The wood tends to be soft to absorb the recoil and the barrel adds weight away from the business end.

The difference is that a spear is better for battle than a club. The bayonet can add an extra foot to the overall length of the weapon and you don't need a lot of physical strength to stab through cloth and flesh.

>>64464441
Pikes helped make the plug bayonet practical. Or at least less shit. If you got charged down by cavalry you could pull back behind the pikemen. This let you delay fixing bayonets until you were out of ammo and couldn't shoot anyway.

>>64462462 (OP)
>William, fix the bayonet launchers