Thread 64463536

Are there anons on this board who've genuinely killed people? If so, why and what does it feel like?

>>64463536 (OP)
Yeah

like a bag of sand

>>64463536 (OP)
Have not killed anyone, but I've heard that if it's while you're high on adrenaline (IE in combat) it doesn't scar you at all, or so I have heard

Go ask /meg/

>>64463536 (OP)
I'm gonna be honest dawg. It's nothing special. I think I felt more conflicted when I had to put down my dog.

Sauce: trust me. I'm basically Walmart John Wick.
It can feel euphoric. Like
>that motherfucker was trying to kill me but I killed him instead. fuck yeah! I get to go on living! I'm gonna go home and blast buckets of cum into my dependapotamus!
at other times it's a little more somber like
>damn. I wish you didn't do that you moron.
and sometimes you feel absolutely nothing. we're all gonna die. it's nothing special. If I make it through this I'll probably end up dying in a car accident, or suicide, or I'll end up dying in a nursing home after getting strangled by some brown mutt for calling him a word the mods don't like

>>64463553
habibula?

>>64463536 (OP)
Literally nothing. The guy was 250m away, I dumped a couple of mags into his position and only ever saw a motionless dust-covered lump. Being mortared was way more distressing and I still get nightmares about it.

>>64463536 (OP)
Yeah. It was a bar fight, he was trying to drag my gf onto the dance floor and picked a fight when I told him to fuck off. I'd never admit this in public but it felt good. Soon replaced by bowel-shitting terror when I realized I might have fucked my life but it was alright, my gf covered for me and I wasn't prosecuted. I've never regretted it, frankly the only time I think about it is when I see a thread like this or when I'm around a lot of blood and the smell brings things back.

>>64463553
Makes sense your brain would have some sort of mechanism to discourage cold blooded unjustified murder but still allow killing in war and self defense without it turning you into a wreck for the rest of your life. Obviously it's not perfect as shellshock/ptsd exists but still.

>>64463791
>Obviously it's not perfect as shellshock/ptsd exists but still.
Perfect is bad in evolution. The ptsd is part of the regulation mechanism.

Stochastic mechanisms work better in real world use because a 90% success rate when a behaviour works is also a 10% success rate when it doesn't.
A 100% success rate becomes 0% when the environment changes (or you just didn't think of something).

t. AI researcher

>>64463536 (OP)
I killed a guy in college that broke into my apartment with a baseball bat, realizing oh he's not moving anymore honestly freaked me out more than the actual breaking and entering

>>64463536 (OP)
weird, for the most part they just kind of slumped over. expected more and instead the person just goes kind of empty. only one i think about often was this one haj that must have got hit with half a mag. he was just laying there making this bubbling hissing gurgling, blowing pink foam out of his mouth, eyes wide and watching us. remembered enough pashto to just say 'sorry' and shot him again. more sticks with me because it's the same way my stepsister was gurgling on life support after an OD

>>64463536 (OP)
>If so, why and what does it feel like?
Bruh, that depends about who you kill, in what context and who you are as a person.

>>64463791
>>64463810
It's also probably a good thing to have a degree of aversion to even justified killing, if you want to talk pure evolutionary carrot and stick stuff. It's better for the species at large if people still want to try and de-escalate and avoid things getting that far.

>>64463536 (OP)
i was in a self defense situation with a bum. he accosted me outside a bar while i was having a smoke and demanded money. normally i'd give dude a few bucks but he was demanding and rude so i told him to fuck off. dude shoved me so i punched him. he fell back and cracked his skull on a curb. the cops and ambulance was there rather quick. he died en route to the hospital. i wasn't charged due to all the cameras and witnesses who observed dude putting hands on me first. how do i feel about it??? i didn't find out until later that dude died and i don't feel anything about it. it's just something unfortunate that happened. i didn't intend for it to happen but you chance that stuff when you come at someone violently.

>>64463536 (OP)
no, but i hurt a guy's feelings once.

>>64464735
>It's better for the species at large if people still want to try and de-escalate and avoid things getting that far.
Yes.
Absolutes are inflexible and dangerous, rules must be flexible or sometimes broken, including moral rules...if your goal is survival of the species/society/culture anyway.

I read an idea recently that the ideal long-term civilisation is one with vague laws that can be easily interpreted to the needs of the moment ruled by principle-less sociopaths who can justify any crime they commit, so as to always be able to take the optimal decision in all situations, unconstrained by cultural limitations.
If you have any consistent and coherent answer to the trolley problem then a scenario can be designed where you're forced to make the wrong decision for moral reasons.
Or at least you get to feel guilty about doing the right thing.

Do folks every wonder if the guy at the other end of the field regrets having to kill strangers they'd never otherwise meet on their government's orders?

>>64464272
you shouldn't really go around admitting to war crimes, not that i care, but someone might some day

>>64465450
I can't imagine that a mercy kill on a mortally wounded enemy would lead to a prosecution, though it could besmirch you a little and cause some inconvenience.

>>64463677
>Being mortared was way more distressing
The noise from mortars and drones is like looming, inevitable death.
>>64463575
>I felt more conflicted when I had to put down my dog.
If you felt conflicted it means you did it at the right time. Letting it live on through the pain of old age is cruel.

>>64465481
Mercy kill in cauckistan will get you kicked out of the military and demoted.

https://decisia.jmc-cmj.forces.gc.ca/jmc-cmj/cm/en/item/98700/index.do?q=Disgraceful

>>64465418
>easily interpreted to the needs of the moment ruled by principle-less sociopaths who can justify any crime they commit, so as to always be able to take the optimal decision in all situations, unconstrained by cultural limitations.
I don't think you understand what sociopaths are. They have no interest in the "optimal decision" unless it benefits them. Hence western elites importing millions of thirdies so their property values don't tank before they retire. Societies crumble when they lose their principles, or never had them to begin with. Because why preserve something that has no identity in the first place?

>>64465621
>I don't think you understand what sociopaths are
I do, it's a somewhat flippant proposal but it remains true that flexibility is essential, so no rule should be absolutely unbreakable and no indiscretion absolutely unpunished.

>>64465616
This is just bizarre. Sounds like a trial for a police officer, not a soldier.

>>64464579
elaborate

>>64465632
So what happens when what benefits the sociopath is at odds with the state?

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>>64464780
You menace

>>64463536 (OP)
Pulled the plug on a relative who was brain dead, personally turned off the several machines. Idk, what're you going to do when you don't recover?

>>64465886
You made the right call anon. I hope that someone would do the same for me

>>64465888
I'm a pilot so I only learned about people I've killed during BDA. Feels normal.

>>64463536 (OP)
First person was when I was 15.
>dad died when I was 12
>man of the house
>live in the middle of buttfuck kansas
>dogs are going fucking nuts
>grab rossi 20/22lr I got for the last birthday my dad was alive
>find me methheads trying to which up craftsman riding lawnmower
>tell them to stop
>one meth head wants to run, other starts to threaten me
>walks towards me and tells me he's going to shove that toy up my ass
>starts walking up the porch
>20ga buckshot to the face
>very closed casket funeral
>other methhead takes off running into the woods
>had the terrible misfortune of running into my neighbors property
>Mr Sinclair is a Veitnam MACVSOG OG who is drinking and hunting buddies with my Korean War vet uncle
>mom calls the cops and all the neighbors
>entire 5 radius is ACTIVATED
>police show up 45 minutes later
>5 minutes later Mr Sinclair shows up with a Mini 14, pickup truck, VERY HAPPY hunting dogs and other meth head with some bite marks
>get no charges because other meth head outright admits his friend tried to take my gun
>still lots of nightmares about missing, dud ammo
Funny enough a cousin of his went to my high school, nice girl and I was worried she'd hate me but besides being sad her cousin died she told me he was a dumbass, even his mom and dad weren't angry and I felt terrible talking to them.
I've got more stories.

>>64464090
I think I remember that story, didn't you post some after action pics?

>>64465981
>I've got more stories
You've killed more meth heads anon?

>>64463536 (OP)
>please lie to me, a.k.a. the glownigger data mining post
Sneed

>>64465639
>So what happens when what benefits the sociopath is at odds with the state?
You give a different sociopath permission to break some rules that protect the first sociopath.

>>64466615
It's just sociopaths all the way down

>>64464756
The sidewalk and curb are dangerous man. And I imagine it can’t feel too good (usually) for the guy who throws the punch. What if I just intend to punch you? If I knew beforehand that my punch would cause your death, I wouldn’t do it.

>>64463762
Did you fist fight and accidentally kill him? Or did you shoot him? Or something else?

>>64463791
100% if you zoom into someone’s brain you will find two distinct friend and enemy compartments, and labeled as such. Serial killers notwithstanding, nobody can countenance cold-blooded murder of the innocent, but also most wouldn’t lose too much sleep over rightfully killing an aggressive/threatening guy in self-defense, as the responses ITT seem to corroborate.

>>64465981
MOAR!!!!

>>64465886
Is that what pulling the plug means? A family member has to literally unplug the machines?

CAPTCHA: YWSAD

>>64467419
Kind of, pulling the plug is a euphemism for turning off life support, usually in the context of brain death.

>>64463536 (OP)
Ive run over some drunk faggot who passed out on the middle of the road at 1am. Does it count?

I have over 300 confirmed kills on Al Quaeda AMA

I deployed to Afghanistan as an infantryman, I never killed anymore, but I did see a lot of dead people. I was 19 at the time, I do remember the first time we encountered a bunch of taliban than just got roasted by a Reaper, that others in my squad look visibly sick from the sight of them. I think from years of lurking gore threads on /b/ prior, that I was desensitized. It didn't phase me

>>64468410
When was this?

>>64468542
2011-2012

>>64467286
>Did you fist fight and accidentally kill him? Or did you shoot him? Or something else?
Glassed him

>>64467419
You'd turn them off by pressing a button rather than unplugging them at the wall, and even then that would usually be a nurse's job once we've got the okay from the family. I've only had one case where a family member did it personally and that was only because they specifically asked to do so.

>>64466900
>It's just sociopaths all the way down
The idea is to balance the sociopaths.
They don't get along, a two tigers on one mountain thing. So they don't usually team up very successfully and normal people can exploit that to manage them.

>>64467286
>The sidewalk and curb are dangerous man
A mate of mine killed someone by punching them and they fell down and hit their head on the curb.
He left the country and never went back.
Apparently not wanted because it was more or less self-defence but he was a petty crook and didn't trust the cops not to find a way to pin it on him so he got the next flight out and cut all ties.

>>64463762
This is called mate guarding