Thread 64487288

I want to fit it with rosewood furniture which apparently doesn't exist. So now I need to get into woodworking. Any advice?
336W 30-30win
>Post lever action stories

What an ugly piece of shit

>>64487288 (OP)
>Any advice?
Don't start with Rosewood, for starters, it's expensive as shit and you will fuck it up. Learn to ID wood. If you have a place you can get pallets from on the regular, ones shipped in from Latin America often have some decent hardwood in them. It'll probably take you several years of practice to get to the point where you can get something into the right shape without fucking it up and another few to get checkering that doesn't look like shit. If you're serious long-term about this, buy a couple of unfinished blackpowder long guns and practice on them.
Gunstock making in particular is a bastard because you have to do precise inletting, and forends are often so thin they're fractions of an inch from shattering. There's a cool old guy who's been doing a show since the 70's called "The Woodwright's Shop", who has several episodes on inletting with hand tools as well as one on gunmaking. Anvil has some good stuff on checkering, a bit of inletting, and a video about stockwood. Otherwise look around for blackpowder guys and channels like Colonial Gunsmith, they're the ones with the applicable skills.

...also sandpaper is for fags, plane and scrape is the true Chad smoothing technique.

>>64487315
I'd agree with this if you want to make a stock by hand from scratch, but that said there's no reason OP can't cheat.

>>64487288 (OP)
OP, "gunstock duplication" is a thing for this very reason. You can send your stock off to a service who will use a pantograph router to make a copy of it out of whatever wood you like. That does 95% of the work for you, and then you're just doing the final finishing.

>>30-30 win
Why do people buy new guns in this caliber? If nostalgia is your thing why buy a new gun instead of a sweet vintage one? Help me understand the thought process here.

>>64488196
>why buy new guns in established caliber?
this is the same argument people use all the damn time which drives used prices through the roof while manufacturers cease new production, then, because the demand for guns in the caliber are no longer there, the ammunition manufacturers stop making ammunition in that caliber. This has killed many calibers over the years. .44 Russian, .41 Long Colt, .44-40 is on the way out, hell, most 20th century full-power rifle calibers are falling victim to this. For the sake of everyone who wants to shoot something OTHER THAN 9MM and 5.56, kindly shut the fuck up.

>>64488786
I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. At first it sounds like you're implying that people should pick common calibers like .30-30 because then the ammo is easy to get. The problem with that argument is that .30-30 is less common than many other choices.

>For the sake of everyone who wants to shoot something OTHER THAN
But now it sounds like you want to be a special snowflake just because? Okay, cool, but in that case wouldn't it make more sense to pick something actually strange or special? .30-30 seems too common if the goal is to be a hipster, especially in a new gun. A used one would make total sense.

>>64488196
>>64488818
>Why do people buy new guns in this caliber?
Because it's traditional. 30-30 is the comfiest shooting actual rifle cartridge you can safely load in a tube mag. It's almost always grandfathered into caliber restrictions on hunting. It'll take pretty much anything you want to kill. Most of the people buying it don't give a fuck about paying $1.50 a round because they're gonna shoot it 10 times a year.
My own lever is a Savage 99 in .308 because I shoot it more often, and with the 5-round hunting mag restrictions in my state there was no reason not to go with an internal box over a plugged tube.

>>64489346
>Because it's traditional.
A nice used gun is even more traditional.

>30-30 is the comfiest shooting actual rifle cartridge...
That's entirely subjective. If we're talking about practicality then .308 makes more sense, if not a straight-walled cartridge given how common those hunting restrictions are becoming.

>>64487288 (OP)
I fucked up the action in a .454 puma 92 using over length cartridges based on a modified .45-70 recipe. Last one I shot in it blew up in the chamber and sent it out of battery, I still have the two halves of the case somewhere in the safe. Both locking blocks are torqued out of true and I can't get the bolt pulled because several pins bent and won't drive out now. Kind of amazing it didn't fuck me up.
>336 in 30-30
You have chosen well.

>>64489410
>A nice used gun is even more traditional.
The majority of people buying them are grabbing them off the wall in Cabela's or Big 5. Buying used is scary for newbies "oh hey, its grandpa's durrgun, lemme get this for the teenager before we hit deer camp" is really easy. Buy a couple boxes of the stuff with the deer on it, go sight in at the hunter classes, wander off. That's the market.
>but it's subjective
Yep. Lot of people agree though.
>X makes more sense
To a gun nerd. Can't get a cool lever with the toob in .308, though. .44 mag is a pistol round (says the normie), can't hunt a durr with that. And 45-70 is big and spooky. What the fuck is all this 44-40 and shit? It doesn't have deer on the box, fuck that
I wish I were exaggerating but that's literally the kind of shit I hear at the LGS and pawn shops.

Is rosewood a suitable stock material?

>>64489594
It's an extremely dense and stable hardwood with a tight-woven grain. It gets used for tools all the time, when people can afford it. Bit hard to work -- not quite as bad as ironwood but still quite rough on the blade. I'd personally inlet some panels of rosewood into something cheaper and contrasting, but you could definitely make a stock out of it. It's sort of got the boxwood problem, where it'd be perfect for all sorts of applications if it didn't take 80 years to get a usable amount of wood from a seedling.

>>64487288 (OP)
>I want to fit it with rosewood furniture
shit choice of timber for a stock, should only be used for nosecaps and crap like that.

>>64487305
NTA I quite like it you sound like a cunt with a hangover.

>>64489594
>Is rosewood a suitable stock material?
No. Trim only

>>64490008
It's people who are so fucking miserable and unsocialized this is how they feel some form of power or importance by intentionally being a scorned woman about everything

Wasting rosewood on a fucking 336 rifle is so blasphemous it's funny

OP not posting actual gun in his own thread :(

>>64487315
I managed to carve a working stock on my first attempt. you might just be retarded or something. I would definitely start with walnut though. remember to inlet a tiny gap around the back of the top tang or else the wrist will split when you shoot it.

>>64487288 (OP)
>>>/diy/

>>64487315
Based fellow Roy fan.

>>64488196
It's basically 7.62 x 39 that is offered in all grades from garbage to uberpremium and is available everywhere. Doesn't get upset by brush as much as many other rounds either.
>>64488818
>30-30 is less common than many other choices.
wut

>>64488196
why shoot new cartridges from old designs? if someone is buying a lever action instead of a "modern" design it's for larping purposes, and part of that is the traditional caliber.

>>64488786
9mm and 5.56 suck nigger balls. Over the last couple of years or so, I have absolutely fallen in love with anything in a magnum caliber.

>>64490998
>>64488786
I love fudd calibers.

>>64490933
Even comfier than Bob Ross. Thank God you can still watch every episode online, I think

>>64489584
I've never even seen .44-40 in person. I would love to pop off a few rounds. How does it shoot and what guns fire it?

>>64489584
Who doesn't think that .44 Mag won't take down anything on the North American continent? Because it will.

>>64491013
There's a lot of people who think 100 yards is too far for a .30-30 to reliably kill

>>64490008
Pay no mind to that niggerfaggot. He's probably going through cock withdrawals.

>>64491002
And I love ur mom.

>>64491025
You have got to be shitting me. Where would someone get that information from?

>>64491035
I've heard it in person myself, and Paul Harrell did a video on it. It's a fairly widespread fudd belief

>>64491039
I believe you. That's nuts to me though. And it seems as you don't have your head shoved up you ass, so I would assume that it's nuts to you too. Keep on being awesome bro. .44 ftw.

>>64487315
>Learn to ID wood.
heeheehee

>>64490242
if a man loves his rifle it deserves it

>my first lever action
>336W 30-30win
Anon I hope you don't let this sour your opinion on lever-actions, I promise it gets much better when you get literally anything else on the market.

>>64490861
guns have serial numbers engraved. some turboautist here could probably dox him if he did post his own gun

>>64491178
How

>>64491150
What's wrong with them? Assuming he didn't get a remlin.

>>64487315
>>64488196
>>64489627
this is excellent info and I wanted Rosewood to match the new grips for my .44mag. I thought a matching "western" set would be quite kino, but reading the suggestions about using it as a trim or inlet makes me second guess and brings some fun ideas to mind.

>>64488196
>>64489346
This was at the pawn shop for $700 on layaway, with a case and "optic". The first rifle I ever shot was a 336 30-30 so it had sentimentality. I do want a lever .44mag and 45-70...eventually. But this came to me sooner at a reasonable price.
>>64490242
I want a TA31f just to rattlecan it. I've actually inquired how much it would be to gold plate my Century Arms AK. A E S T H E T I C is worth it. also for the lulz.
>>64490861
I didn't want to shuffle around and rouse the lady from slumber. Have my Cowboy trifecta as penance.
>>64490974
yes.

>>64491013
You are not one shot stopping a polar bear with .44, even from a carbine
You potentially could but would you want to try?

>>64491552
What kinda handgun are you hiking with? If it doesn't die in six shots of .44 it deserves to live.

>>64490974
>why shoot new cartridges from old designs?
economics, performance, ease of finding ammo...

>and part of that is the traditional caliber.
IMHO if your larping autism is that strong why the hell are you even thinking about buying a new gun? The caliber is far less important than the gun.

>>64491035
It's the name of the cartridge. To someone who doesn't know any better 30-30 sounds like a .30 black powder cartridge with 30 grains of powder, which would indeed be pretty weak for hunting at 100 yards. The problem is these people don't realize that .30-30 was Smokeless even from the get-go, and it's a lot more powerful than 30 grains of black powder.

>>64487288 (OP)
somewhat related but i got a saddle ring replacement for that stupid ass marlin safety button

>>64492686
Hell yeah nice. I'm getting my grandfather's Glenfield, which is just a cheaper 336 from Sears back in the day. Fortunately is old enough to have no button safety

>>64489346
>Because it's traditional
My brother in Christ, there is nothing "traditional" about a fucking Marlin 336

>>64492292
you are basically saying that even if mazda kept producing the rx7 if you don't buy it with a hybrid engine you're dumb and if you want an original rotary you should just get one from the 90s.

>>64492686
thank you. This is excellent advice.

>EVERYONE ELSE
WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT LEVER ACTIONS?

>>64493767
large loop is best loop because you can spin cock it

Make it out of balsa wood, if you can do it with an old chisel on a super soft wood and it's not ass then it's worth trying.

Plus, if you know you're going to do something with the gun like hunting or backpacking you can change it out to your balsa for weight reduction aswell as not risking damage to your nice wood.

It would also be a great cursed gun to post on /K/ since balsa is super cheap looking.

>>64491184
>ATF data base leak
>serial shows Omar Gonzalez in Topeka Kansas bought a 336W 30-30Win lever action rifle

>>64495245
They're not legally allowed to have a digital database of 4473 info.

>>64495245
Are you pretending to be retarded

>>64493767
>WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT LEVER ACTIONS?
Wrap the lever. Trust me.

>>64491543
Tracked down some of the applicable videos from Based Roy, Williamsburg, and a few other places
https://www.pbs.org/show/woodwrights-shop/ - "Hammer Veneer", "Campaign Furniture/Fitting Brass", and "Inlaid lettering" are particularly useful. This is Based Roy, he works with his hands and doesn't afraid of jack or shit. PBS took down his gunsmithing video, I'm still looking for it in other archival services.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9osRnfu_Nxs - Williamsburg gunsmith, works with Roy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTy3uQFsirk - Colonial Gunsmith documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkMIVn8xU6g - making and designing custom and takedown stocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvq2bRXEs8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCxAkVx6TE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1iKlfURRZI - Mark Novak/Anvil stock layout and truing-up
https://youtu.be/EDT6dtOCsaM?si=jUgxEEYmj46ry_hf - Wood selection and prep, notably including riving the wood instead of sawing it. Mark also has good videos on checkering and repairing damaged stocks, he doesn't really do inlays though.

>>64491013
The same people who think .44mag hits like .308 out of a pistol also think it magically turns into .22 in a rifle and has the same range as it does out of a four-inch barrel. Again, a lot of people are fucking stupid.

>>64487288 (OP)
As a guitar guy, I can confirm that all the various forms of "Rosewood" are getting hard to come by, if not impossible. Furniture builders can sometimes get it, but they might want you to buy more than one gun's worth to make it profitable.

The wood itself is very hard and the dust can be semi-toxic. Some people have a very bad reaction to it, and depending on the specific variety, you may not ever be able to ship it outside the US, or to a country with restrictions. Best to just ignore it.

American long rifles and guitar necks are made from flamed, rock maple and it looks great and is pretty easy to find in billets. It's not the cheapest in the world, but not too bad for an indulgence, like this. Birdseye maple looks cool too, but it's a bitch to work with and I'm not sure if it could hold up the stress.

Cool project though. Good luck!

>>64499889
>the dust can be semi-toxic.
Don't forget it's a sensitizer.

For hard to come by, I've been trying to get some chunks of true sandalwood for making revolver grips.

>>64487288 (OP)
>I just bought a gun
>as evidenced by this stock photo I googled

it never ends

>>64487288 (OP)
>bead blasted finish
I like taste of barf too
>rosewood stock
Did you finish RDR2 recently?

>>64487315
>Learn to ID wood
My cock has its own passport.

>>64487288 (OP)
sell it and get a winchester '94

>>64488196
>Why do people buy new guns in this caliber? If nostalgia is your thing why buy a new gun instead of a sweet vintage one? Help me understand the thought process here.
You can't always find a good used one locally, don't want to roll the dice ordering one that you can't inspect, etc. That's especially likely if you live in an area that's grown a lot in the last few decades, or if the gun you want isn't a popular choice for hunters in your area, or whatever.

>>64487288 (OP)
>30-30win
Always underwhelmed by this chambering, none of my levers are in it. Notables include: .35Rem, .22WRM, .22LR, .375Win, .44RemMag, .218Bee and a .45-70. The only chambers I feel missinv are .32Win Special and I would really like a .25-35.

>>64487288 (OP)
>rosewood furniture which apparently doesn't exist. So now I need to get into woodworking. Any advice?
I got my Indian Rosewood round back in '14, curing since until I can cut blanks out.

I use a 45colt Henry I bought in 2014 for deer hunting since I live in a stupid straight wall only state. Love the gun but wouldn't recommended the caliber
> 2014 buy Henry in 45 colt because lever guns in cowboy caliber is based throw a 1.5-4x scope on it
> Take a few deer but ammo seems meh don't love the scope
> Take the scope off and replace it with fiber optic irons, start using +p buffalo bore ammo and really knock the shit out of deer
> Replace fiber optic with peep sight the next year which worked ok but meh
> Put an xs rail on it and put a micro dot on a qd mount
> Start reloading my own ammo to save money
> This year decide to go full circle and put a 1-4 accupoint with the post reticle on it since is almost a quick as a red dot and I get zoom if I want it
> Load some +p Barnes 225 grain xpb bullets for it (getting 1670fps out of it with the load)

And now I wait for deer season to see how this setup works out. Hopefully this is the final iteration and setup. Sometimes I wish it had a side loading gate but at the time that wasn't a thing and I'm not buying a different rifle just for that. Anyway thanks for reading my Ted talk lever gats are based and just feel right to hunt with. Just don't get a 45 colt unless you reload or spend way to much on +p loaded ammo because most of the stock shit is anemic as hell.

>>64504047
but I need to have the same ammo as my pistol for cowboy action shooting

>>64504052
I've been doing a lot of looking for a ruger that can handle bubbas pissing hot reloads.

>>64504047
no offense man but your optics journey was just straight cocked

>>64504047
>decide to go full circle
Decades ago I heard a shotgun parable
>you start with .410
>go to 20ga
>go to 12ga
>go to 10ga
>as you age...
>return to 12ga
>return to 20ga
>and finally back to .410ga
Life is a wheel.
>>64504047
>most of the stock shit is anemic as hell.
There is a reason for that.

>>64487288 (OP)
FWIW I have this weird want to scope and silence a 336. No clue why, just think it'd be neat. Haven't even had the time, space (freezer), or several other things to go deer hunting. I do hunt smaller game but man, that 336...

>>64488818
>.30-30 is an uncommon levergun caliber
fucking what.
>you want to be a special snowflake
no, retard. Not everyone wants to be a fucking tactical timmy with a larperator AR-15 and a gucci Glonk 19 with a TLR-1,000 and a Trijicunt SRX blue dot in a f1nnster enigga holster 24/7/365. Sometimes people want a gun that doesn't scare the hoes, and won't fall victim to the usual Democrat administration panic buy. While you're paying $1/round for fucking 9mm, compared to like $0.20 pre-panic, I'll be paying $0.72/round for .32 H&R both before and after panic buying.

>>64506042
>Sometimes people want a gun that doesn't scare the hoes, and won't fall victim to the usual Democrat administration panic buy.
holy fucking cringe.

>>64505970
>I do hunt smaller game
Browning M65, .219Bee. Aim small, shoot small.