Thread 64487416

Is it over? did we win?

>>64487416 (OP)
>did we win?
if you have to ask the answer is no

>>64487426
Donutsk ammo depot was hit last night if anyone was wondering.
https://xcancel.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1986159607547404383#m

>>64487447
nice pressure wave

Onto the next slaughter house

>>64487416 (OP)
What's that?

>>64487447
Clearly a nuclear explosion

>>64487447
Will this male prokovsk not Russian clay?

>>64487416 (OP)
This map looks like AI.

>>64487529
Many indians were used in its creation, no doubt.

>>64487468
major counter offensive

>>64487538
AI can't do maps, its fucking retarded.

>>64487572
Ziggers are the leftists of nations and can't meme.

>>64487525
Probably, long term and along with other explosions.

K told me Ukraine was going retake Crimea last year lmfao

Quick reminder, Russia has made it a little over 20 miles in almost two years.

That short distance has had a price tag of horrific numbers of young men and obscene amounts of weapons and armor. At this rate it will take 3-4 years just to reach Pavlohrad assuming current rates of advancement are kept up. Current rates are however not sustainable as production of vehicles and equipment cannot keep up with losses. Raw manpower isn't a solution when unsupported and using outdated equipment. Pokrovsk will surely be touted as some glorious victory but the truth is simple, it's yet another meat grinder.

The best possible outcome for Russia is a Pyrrhic victory. Ukraine is running an exemplary war of attrition.

A more personal outcome of fights like this one and the war in general is we will surely not have a Russian/Soviet milsurp market as good as it was before the war anytime soon, if ever again. If you don't already have a nugget or ten you've missed the train.

>>64487631
There's maybe going to be a bunch of milsurp after the war because Ukraine will modernize and re-equip along western lines.

>>64487631
https://poteru.net/?page=1
153,285 confirmed.

>>64487635
I'd expect Ukraine to keep the lion's share. Best we'd get is parts kits missing portions because they got blown up. Both nations are probably going to hold on to everything they can. Ukraine will hold onto the majority of it expecting another invasion sooner or later. Russia will hold onto everything because they're undoubtedly scraping the barrel as it is, in a few years we'll be seeing massed nugget charges if it keeps up.

>>64487631
>you're not winning fast enough!
Lmao

>>64487658
that is genuinely an issue
russia only has so many bodies and so many artillery shells to throw before they run flat out or the economy overheats and falls apart
it would do russia little good to beat ukraine 20 years from now when their economy collapses in 10

>>64487658
Correct. It's taking russia so long it even got sanctioned by orange man. It's going to get worse, and bigly worse if the left gets the midterm

>>64487658
You're not winning at all.

A slow grind is fine and dandy if you can keep your casualties and other losses down while doing it. Unfortunately for Russia their losses are, again, horrific and obscene.

You have no business discussing weaponry and warfare.

>russian advance 400 meters in 4 months
>MASSIVE BREKATROUGH
>COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF THE FRONTLINE
>DISASTER FOR UKRAINIAN TROOPS
fucking hell

>>64487658
Considering that Russia's best hope is to win as fast as possible (in fact, their only realistic chance to achieve victory was to literally defeat Ukraine in three days before anyone could react to the sucker punch), that means they are not going to win at all. Can you imagine Russia fighting for five more years? Ten years? Twenty years?
They will leave.

>>64487713
>'Russian claims'
Sort of like drunks telling stories for the most part, unless anyone knows someone fighting there, we're all just in the OSINT piss trough of whatever falls into it.

>>64487732
I think its just their target audience. They know they can't 'convince' anyone knowledgeable about the subject at hand so they don't even bother.

What's left is convincing the retards. The end result is that their core supporters are fucking retarded. Also why they get so much support in shitholes where the average IQ is below 90. Russian propaganda is retard bait at this point.

>>64487658
What were Russia's objectives for this war again? Russia already lost quite a while ago, given that NATO's presence in the region has significantly expanded, while Russia's ability to wage war against NATO or China has collapsed to essentially nothing. What's happening right now is that Russia is stuck in a devastatingly costly and pointless quagmire with no hope of pulling off anything other than a symbolic win long after any strategic benefits of defeating the Ukraine have evaporated.

>>64487722
Pulling out of the Ukraine without a decisive victory has a high chance of toppling the government with the political fallout, otherwise a pragmatist like putin would have bailed quite a while ago. Russia can't afford to lose and they can't afford to win, all they can do now is keep grinding on and hope that they can manufacture a political victory somehow before they're forced to fully submit to china as a vassal state.

>>64487737
>retard bait
well yes, it's aimed at russians for the most part

>>64487737
>>64487732
It all just reminds me of the propaganda-machime in Imperal Japan 1942-45 desu

>>64487740
Russia's objectives, at most generous, are taking as much territory they can get, freezing the conflict, and then being a permeant thorn in Ukraine's side to ensure they can't join NATO just like they did with Georgia.
Only they can't in this case because Ukraine may just join NATO anyway.

>>64487745
aww berry tiresome!

>>64487748
The other problem is Europe, the aid and weapons will keep flowing, they got lucky in Georgia by just setting 'achievable' annexations and freezing it before anyone could really fire the fuck up and burn them. What they learned though is their military was hot trash and needed to modernise, so they threw out the great spitballed wunder waffles of EW, supersanics and battalion tac groups.
Unfortunately that was only half of the solution
The other half and the actual problem was of course- Russians in the military
Which by and large is still just FASD, corruption, sodomy and some very, very low IQ's

>>64487748
>Russia's objectives
Were spelled at the start. Toppling the Ukrainian government and installing a puppet regime ('denazification') while taking over the 4 oblasts they formally 'annexed' to the Russian federation (they still do not fully control a single one) and 'demilitarization' coupled with 'keeping back' NATO from Russian borders.

Safe to say Ukraine will never again have a pro-russian government, their territorial ambitions have not been realized and Ukraine is better armed and supported than ever before while NATO expanded towards the Russian border with the joining of Sweden and Finland.

Basically zero objectives achieved. Their only 'success' is partialy occupying the 4 annexed regions. Basically the bar couldn't be lower.

>russians are so easily brainwashed
>also 1 trillion russians died in the donbas because the queef independent said so

>>64487763
Russia is recruiting a lot of people, but their army isn't getting bigger. Where are they going?

Are they all deserting?

>>64487763
Between 2022 and 2023 alone the number of invalids in Russia increased by 30% (over 500k) among working age men. Then the numbers were classified, lmao.

Hilarious.

>>64487763
>Russians are smart and analytic, curiously gathering information from various sources like Olya Skobeeva and Solovyov Live
>Russian losses thus compromise 9000 pax as per latest report from MOD

I'm confident I saw more than 9000 russians die on video by this point.

>>64487673
>before they run flat out or the economy overheats and falls apart
Two more weeks

>>64487785
What deficits the regions running ziggie? What projected price for oil in a budget, bud?

>Cant refute anons posts
>Starts spamming BBC
Ziggers truly are wonderful.

Imagine having folders of BBC porn to post on a Laotian sticky rice forum

>>64487756
And what did Ukraine achieved?
>counteroffensyv
Embarrassing failure
>kursk offensive
Embarrassing failure
>joinining NATO
Never ever. They even got on the potus bad side
>joining EU
Lmao
>young men population
In the shitter
>young women population
Fled to Europe the moment things heated up to take muzzie cock and start only fans
>children population
Say goodbye to all those from the meme oblasts. They will never even know they are Ukrainians
>electric grids and infrastructures
Obliterated. It's going to be a cold cold winter in Kiev
>being a democracy
They live now under a despot who's more busy doing coke than actually negotiating a peace for his people
If this is a victory I'd hate to know what a defeat looks like

>>64487748
>Russia's objectives, at most generous, are taking as much territory they can get, freezing the conflict, and then being a permeant thorn in Ukraine's side to ensure they can't join NATO just like they did with Georgia.
You're thinking too small. Russia's actual objectives were
>1) Demonstrate that Russia is a real military power that is willing to fight.
>2) Demonstrate that aligning with NATO is bad for your health, while NATO itself is weak and obsolete.
>2) Force regime change in the Ukraine after repeated failures to politically annex the Ukraine via Viktor Yanukovych or material support of the donbass rebellion.
>3) Wage a quick and cheap blitzkrieg against the Ukraine to demostrate Russia's military prowess and make NATO and unaligned states think twice about continuing to engage sabre rattling with the Russian federation.
>Create a buffer state between NATO and Russia.

What the war has actually achieved:
>Made the Russian military look like an ineffectual joke.
>Revitalized NATO's reputation and sparked a re militarization of NATO and EU states.
>Devastated Russia's military and economic power to the point where they cannot hope to successfully fight a peer conflict, nor continue to throw it's weight around in Eastern Europe.
>Convinced bordering states, Finland and Sweden to join NATO.
>Ensured that the Ukraine will never allow another Russian puppet government for the foreseeable future.

They didn't just fail at every one of their objectives, but instead have achieved the worst possible outcome for each.

>>64487803
>And what did Ukraine achieve?
Independence from Russia.

>>64487803
Imagine writing up this much cope lel

>>64487803
did they hit your town or something? this amount of cope is unusual even for the most retarded of ziggers, what's going on anon?

>>64487809
>>64487810
>>64487815
The sun is shining, he heat is running, and nobody is coming to knock at my door to kidnap me and throw me in a ditch to die for a jew, which is more than I could say for any Ukrainian male
In fact I'd say things could not be better if it wasn't for shills shitting up my hobby board

>>64487824
What are the gun laws like in india?