Thread 64497205

Someone told me these guys are on par with Delta and Seal Team 6 in training and skill. Was I lied to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regimental_Reconnaissance_Company

They didn't kill fitty men

they aren't. they are intelligence gatherers. they rarely participate in gunfights and when they do it's mostly with other rangers.
Delta and Dev (short for Naval Special Warfare Development Group; also known as SEAL Team 6) training focuses close quarters battle. Rangers have to do basically all regular infantry tasks so they don't really get to spend a lot of time in training building up their close combat skills.
The turnover in Ranger Battalions is high because the training has high rates of injury and the culture is centered on harassment and brute force which quickly causes mental burnout. Since the turnover is high Ranger Battalions are constantly being flooded with new soldiers who essentially have zero skills. So Rangers spend a lot of time training on the basics.
Even the RRC guys who spent a lot of time at Battalion do not have the same level of close combat skill as the average Dev or Delta gunfighter. And the real red pill is that basically none of this shit matters anyway because drones have taken over.
During the global war on terror drone operators killed orders of magnitude more people than anyone in Delta Force, Ranger Battalion, or the SEALs.
One SEAL on Mike Ritland's podcast joined a drone unit after a combat deployment in which he became disillusioned with the SEAL Teams because of their rampant recreational substance use.
He told Ritland that he estimated the drone unit killed 25 times more enemy combatants in a month than the SEALs did in 6 months. We see this exact same thing playing out in Ukraine; drone units on both sides are accounting for far more casualties than special operations forces.

>>64497205 (OP)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regimental_Reconnaissance_Company
>get shot at by goat herders
>call in air force
lol

>>64497386
the guys in the OP go through a 7 month additional training tho which includes armed and unarmed combat

>>64497205 (OP)
Nebulous question. At recon and observation, they certainly may be on par with CAG, but their mission profile has large gaps that deltas doesn't.

>>64497205 (OP)
They are a Tier 1 unit within JSOC
>in training and skill
Not comparable, because they do different things
DEVGRU and Delta specialize in direct action and hostage rescue, everything else is secondary
RRC is primarily a special reconnaissance unit

>>64497386
>The turnover in Ranger Battalions is high because the training has high rates of injury and the culture is centered on harassment and brute force which quickly causes mental burnout. Since the turnover is high Ranger Battalions are constantly being flooded with new soldiers who essentially have zero skills. So Rangers spend a lot of time training on the basics.

They do this on purpose because the Ranger Regiment was created to make leaders for the Army. That's why is a Ranger tab is required for all 75th NCOs and officers. No one stays in the Ranger Regiment their whole career. You're suppose to gain experience and spread it out to the rest of the Army. After a few years, a Ranger has to go to the regular Army and serve some time there before being able to go back to the Ranger Regiment. A way to avoid going to the regular Army is to apply for Special Forces or Delta Force. That's why we see many former Rangers in those units.

>>64497386
>muh GWOT
Drones killed so many there because they had secure based to fly large fixed wing drone platform 24/7 with next to zero chances of being shot down. Suspect a area might have an IED planted? Fly drones around it night and day and hit the 4-5 guys who might start digging it in
>Ukraine
Drone are so heavy there because neither side can actually beat the other so they've started constantly droning instead.
An actually well equipped and competent military wouldn't let its front line be frozen for 3 years because of grenades and rpg warheads strapped to civilian drones.

1. SAS/SBS
2. Paras
3. Delta
4. Royal Marines
5. Team 6
And that’s it.

>>64498480
Royal Marines aren't SF and they wouldn't claim to be.

>>64498410
I'm not American but what the Ranger Battalion does is completely and utterly retarded
>let's make this semi-elite parachute infantry regiment where soldiers have to do a mini selection course to get in and the standards are much higher than the rest of the infantry battalions
>then once they've done 3 or 4 years and honed their craft as junior Infantry soldiers, let's kick them out and send them alone to shithole regiments full of poorly-trained unmotivated soldiers who don't give a fuck about anything
>they totally won't just leave for the civilian world or sink to the level of the rest of their new shitty Regiment making the last 4 years a complete waste of time
If you join at 18 and spend 4 years in Ranger Battalion, go to Ranger School and promote to Sergeant and then they send you alone to Alaska where you're 22 in charge of a squad of meth-smoking skaters who sell their ammo on the black market. What the fuck is your time in Ranger Battalion supposed to do? You're still subordinate to your Staff Sergeant who has 3 teeth and keeps an child sex slave stolen from an indian reservation in his barracks room. Your Platoon Sergeant doesn't give a fuck that you came from Ranger Battalion, you're not changing tactics or training or SOPs on his watch. Your Platoon Commander might be more friendly to you if he also went to Ranger School but he's moreso trying to stave off suicide since he's been posted to Alaska in charge of 40 soldiers with 39 DUIs between them.

>>64499517
That's how leadership works. You see an outstanding soldier and you want to emulate him. The problem is these guys don't want to go back to the regular Army so they join Special Forces or Delta Force instead, and if they fail, they have to go back to the regular Army lol.

>>64497234
Cotton is a chad for that, didn't care about japs or krauts, he just killed to kill.

>>64497205 (OP)
I was on an ODA as a junior bravo.

I will give you the same answer I give every dumb ass who asks this question.
Everyone in the military is more adept at their job than other MOS would be at that same job. Ranger Recon is better at their mission set than Delta or Special Forces would be at that same job, because they reason for it every day. A Navy SEAL would be better at maritime warfare than me, but I would be better at asymmetrical warfare and force multiplication with local assets. Each role has its specialty, or then what would be the point?

That said, it's all semantics. Yes, Ranger Recon is pretty high speed. They're the best that the Battalion has to offer. They have a very high op tempo and specialized mission set. They often work with Delta and SA, though I didn't get to see them work much I did do a few training with the Battalion and they're all really good guys who excel at their job.

Square peg, square hole. Not more complicated than that.

>>64499517
If your regular soldier is 18-20 years old, wouldn't you want their leader to be the best of them at around 24-28? Old enough to know better, young enough to keep up, and passed the high standard to not have just skated there as deadweight. Makes sense to me.

>>64499517
None of what you made up is even slightly plausible

>>64497403
>goat herders get blown to bits
>goats lose their husbands
>Rangers go home.
It's shrimple.

>>64499517
>disparaging America's Arctic Angels

>>64497205 (OP)

There's basically a direct pipeline from the Ranger Regiment to Delta.

>>64497386
>Rangers have to do basically all regular infantry tasks so they don't really get to spend a lot of time in training building up their close combat skills.

That was true in the past, not so much now. The Ranger Regiment did a lot door-kicking in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>64497386
>One SEAL on Mike Ritland's podcast joined a drone unit after a combat deployment in which he became disillusioned with the SEAL Teams because of their rampant recreational substance use.

What kind of drugs are SEALs fans of? Would I as a stoner fit in with them?

>>64501928
What are you even carrying in that pack and all those pouches?

>>64497205 (OP)
>>64497386
>>64498410
My brother-in-law is a E-4 Ranger. He and my sister actually just had their first child. What should I know about his future prospects?