Thread 64505535

Hello /k/, I’m an artfag from /ic/ who’s tasked on doing concept paintings of Japanese tanks to fight giant monsters for a movie shot outside of Osaka

What are you favourites and why? I’d like to learn.. and please post as many photos as possible for proper reference.

I like the Type 74

>>64505535 (OP)
>>64505552
Yes, the Type 74 is the best-looking JGSDF tank.

i like the evolution between the japanese t-90 which looks like an utilitarian german design from the cold war and the type 10 which looks like the sports car version of a tank. shame these will probably never see combat in our lifetimes

>>64505535 (OP)
Just use AI dude, drawfaggotry is literally obsolete

>>64505572
Is that the fucking Karasawa?

>>64505552
>>64505572
I'm not gay, but I would totally give the Type 74 a blowjob. Unmatched aesthetics.

>>64505647
Wait I'm stupid

>>64505654
Round cast turrets are always great-looking.

>64505643
kill yourself

>>64505677
>round cast turrets are always great looking

>>64505643
If I get the chance to illustrate cool as fuck tanks I’m gonna do it by hand
>>64505552
>>64505572
This is great. Are there aspects of the tank I absolutely need to lean in on when I’m painting it?
I’m probably going for the same aesthetic as the cover of old model kits.

Anything about the general design or the decals/markers I should have focus on?

Do you know what timeframe the movie will take place in? Modern day? WW2? What kind of monster is it shooting at? It makes a difference.

>>64505718
It takes place after World War II in Japan. American is -not- involved in protecting Japan, though. The monster is a large quadruped reptile. Like a rhino.

>>64505572
Not OP but what’re the big boxes on the cannon?

>>64505698
Well, first you have to settle on a specific model. What year is your movie set in?
For unit markings, I suggest you do your research, because that's how they differentiate vehicles between different formations and units.
A cursory search suggests that the Central Army (whose area of responsibility includes Osaka) had at least one unit that operated Type 74s. (13th Tank Troop)
For decals, go hog wild.

>>64505698
It’s a tank that has suspension, so if you’re looking at certain photos where it looks off-kilter that’s why. It can learn in various positions to make its job easier

If we're going classic Godzilla vibes in a Cold War Japan, the Type 61 is a solid option. It's a very tank shaped tank and fills the role well of the military just sending whatever they have in the area.

>>64505743
It’s set between the 40’s and 60’s

>>64505535 (OP)
Type 60 will always be one of my favorites, but we are gonna need more details.
>What era are we talking?
Early post war, middle cold war, late cold war, modern?
>What level of historical accuracy?
Pure historical designs? Alt history where cancelled prototypes were pushed into service? Historical fantasy with fictional designs that are in line with actual designs like Patlabor 2?

>>64505750
It’s my original choice before the type 74 now. It seems very easy to find various angles of in books and online, but I want to excite military fans and not be too boring

>>64505755
It’s an alternate history where a giant monster has stopped japans involvement during and after World War II, so there’s no USA involvement and they need to defend themselves.

I’d like to keep it as realistic as possible, but I might have some anti-kaiju decals on the tank, or give it a lot of mud and grit.

The environment is defending a street in a country mountainside facing away from the “camera” towards the beast

>>64505760
Exciting military fans is doing things like showing everything in boringly accurate detail, they love that shit.

>>64505768
Yeah that’s what I’m going for. I want to be as accurate as possible so I’m doing as much research as i can before I even start. I need to fundamentally understand the machine

>>64505755
Nevermind, just saw >>64505724
>>64505766
You are stuck with one of the most boring military eras for Japan. Japan wasn't even in the territory of getting US surplus vehicles until 1950 and their domestic developments didn't take off until the mid 1950s. You are stuck with the Godzilla -1 approach of using Japanese surplus and late war prototypes. The interesting routes you can go is stuff like the O-I (If this is a real production you will have to get in contact with FineMolds because I think they own a lot of the O-I documentation and media rights). There is the Chi-Ri, Type 5 Ka-To. These are all scrapped prototypes, but within reason of being built in your scenario.

>>64505772
Other unique and cool designs
Chi-Ha with a bangalore rocket system

>>64505777
Chi-Ha long gun mounting a navy 120mm gun 10th year

>>64505781
Type 4 Ha-To rocket artillery

>>64505766
>where a giant monster has stopped japans involvement during and after World War II, so there’s no USA involvement
How so? Does that mean that the US never occupied Japan? Then you might want to look into iterating on indigenous wartime designs like the Type 3 Chi-Nu and Type 4 Chi-To.
This might be an attractive option, given that it allows you to stretch historicity quite a bit more with wacky prototypes like what >>64505772
says.

>>64505772
1950’s is okay. The monster fighting is up until the end of the 50’s for these concepts, with a strong “post-war” atmosphere of wreckage

This tank is pretty interesting honestly, but it’s so boxy and flat Kek. I might do some sketches of it alongside other stuff

>>64505777
Photos like these are exactly what I need. There’s way too many “obvious” angles of Japanese tanks, but I need to see the rear end

>>64505795
>>64505795
>1950’s is okay. The monster fighting is up until the end of the 50’s for these concepts, with a strong “post-war” atmosphere of wreckage
In that case you can go into the territory of something like the STA-1 or STA-2 gets forced into mass production before making it to the final Type 61 design.

>>64505790
United States doesn’t want to occupy Japan because it pulled out of the war to focus on protecting itself from the creatures that have invaded, since it can’t spend the money on war efforts + the monsters, resulting in peace but America ignoring Japan to deal with what was the axis. (The atom bombs were used in Italy in this story)

But any history besides that can be made up since im tasked with exploring concepts and ideas. I’m assuming they can still partner and make peace efforts with the US for vehicles even if they aren’t occupied by the military. I’ll have to talk to the art director about that particularly

>>64505803
The same can be applied to the Type 60 with one of the earlier designs like SS-1 or SS-2 can be put into production.
https://combat1.sakura.ne.jp/60SHIKI.htm

>>64505795
>>64505805
The problem is that Japan was in retard jail from 1945-1960 for being very naughty so your scenario takes place in the only time where they had basically no armored vehicles.
The Chi-Ri or Ho-Ri would be good options as they are large late ww2 designs and look very "tanky"

>>64505805
Also just a heads up that when it comes to year cut off dates for designs that the Japanese naming system is your friend. Its always Type (year) so the Type 61 in your pic was adopted in 1961 which would be outside of the 1950s concept. So an alternative is you use one of the prototype designs that was hypothetically pushed into emergency production like >>64505803

>>64505817
This is extremely helpful. I’ve been writing all of this down in my sketchbook

Also general question for all anons, what tank would you find most exciting to see? And why?

Ho-Ri example. This vehicle was never finished so concept designs for this tank may have some elements copyrighted. Its a good representative though

>>64505823
>Also general question for all anons, what tank would you find most exciting to see? And why?
I mean as far as /k/ and most autistic Japanese 大軍/自衛隊 otakus would be concerned, I would say some form of obscure prototype that is well detailed and accurately portraited. The nips ate that shit up when the J7W appeared in high detail in G-1. My obvious choice is the SS-1 Kai because its a cool design that not many people would know about.

>>64505823
I think I speak for most /k/ommandos when I say that we'll be excited for any kind of lovingly detailed tank (proper fittings, accurate markings, soulful decals, etc).
Bonus points if it's allowed to actually do something more than be fodder, but I personally can overlook that for a monster movie as long as they look cool doing it.

>>64505837
Looks like there’s a metric ton of reference from this one online which is cool. I’ll definitely sketch a few out tonight as well.

I’m trying not to get too close to Godzilla-1 territory with this, so it might not work in the end, but it’s still very cool. It’s not too outlandish like the J7W though, so I’ll also give it a shot

>>64505850
It’s a highly militaristic movie focused on soldiers. The tanks will do a lot of damage when they roll out. Think cloverfield in Japan but with a Showa styled monster with modern effects

>>64505857
>I’m trying not to get too close to Godzilla-1 territory
I think due to the similar eras and conditions of the two, your best bet is to really focus on those early post war developments that Japan made where G-1 focused on Imperial era stuff that was pushed into post war service. Also how big is this production going to be? If you talk to your art director, I'd be willing to be a historical consultant for some neat resume flavoring.

>>64505823
Chi-Ri is my personal favorite. It was an actually built vehicle and had a 3 round autoloader which was very novel for the time. Most people think of think of Japanese tanks of the era as being very small with ineffective guns but the Chi-Ri goes against this notion. Its also pretty big so it would look impressive next to soldiers on he ground

>>64505870
E-mail? I’ll harass you
>>64505873
The type 5 chi-ri would be interesting for the story because it didn’t begin mass production irl because of America from what I’ve read, so it’s convenient and cool looking for the story

When I read this history on a lot of this it really makes me wonder how much of this stuff could’ve changed the outlook on the war in different areas

>>64505884
>E-mail? I’ll harass you
Heres a tempmail and fill me in on the details then go from there. I'd rather not post my actual email on 4chins
coray50517@wivstore.com

>>64505738
AN/VSS-1. Big fuckoff flashlight, though it could also be fitted with an IR filter to turn it into a big fuckoff infrared flashlight.

>>64505893
Deal, thanks fren

>>64505738
>>64505894
Japan uses its own domestic model and no the VSS-1, but same concept.

Use sketchfab.com there’s 3D models of vehicles you can angle there, you’ll just have to figure out which tank you’re going for

An anon mentioned “soulful decals”, so I need you guys to show me the most soulful ones you can find. Your absolute favourites. I need to get it right.

I might mix it up and you might see yours in the final design even. So please show me the ones you love most

>>64505916
I think the more interesting thing that Japanese tankers did is write the first hiragana of each crew members names on the side of the tanks. It wasn't a super common thing to do. Iirc the order is right to left in terms of superiority which would be radio operator/loader, driver, gunner, TC

Ignore all these other faggots

You want the Type 1 medium tank Chi-He
>First Japanese tank with radios
>Only 170 made
>Used in WWII
>Defended Japan against invasion
>generated more horsepower than the type 97 to
Accommodate for WEIGHT (it could get stepped on and hopefully function)

THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD USE AGAINST A GIANT MONSTER

>>64505805
>(The atom bombs were used in Italy in this story)
Strange, given how there was an Allied-allied italian government, unless that changed.

>>64505817
That wouldn't be the case in OP's scenario where Japan pulled out of WWII to deal with the monsters attacking the Empire of Japan. The naming convention used by the Empire of Japan through WWII was based on the Imperial calendar which used 660 BC as the year the Japanese Empire was founded. The Type 99 rifle was adopted in 1939 or Imperial year 2599, the Chi Ri (the Type 5) would likely have been put in service in 1945 or 2605. So, future tanks likely would follow the same trend (Type 61 would be Type 21 for year 2621 in the Imperial calendar).

>>64506025
I'm talking about the IRL progression of the naming convention and how that relates to his date cutoff of the 1950s. It doesn't whether the western or imperial calendar is used, the Type 61 is outside of the date cut off.

>>64505777
I loved this thing in BFV

>>64505771
This is an excellent approach. Be sure also to understand the constraints that made the vehicle what it was, because you will find a lot of inspiriation and opportunity for embellishment and creativity there. For example, why casting for turrets? Why are Japan's cast turrets so visually distinctive that they're immediately recognisable?

>>64506064
To add onto that, one of the major factors influencing pretty much every single Japanese military vehicle project from WW1 to the modern day is Japanese rail infrastructure. People associate weight restrictions being the largest influence on Japanese designs, but there is no set limit besides existing tank transporter weight limits. Width however has always been a hard cap. Most early post war designs had a restriction of 3m width and the widest tank Japan built was the Type 90 which was capped at 3.4m to fit on standard gauge rails. In comparison the M1, Leo 2, Leclerc, T-72 are all 3.6m wide as standard or even wider.

>>64505916
If you are taking influence from the WW2 side, each tank regiment had its own insignias. If you assign a vehicle to a historical regiment, make sure you put the correct decals on. For example this is the 9th

>>64505916
and for example this is the 1st. very different.

Amphibious tanks

>>64505647
>>64505657
Don't worry, I thought the same thing.

>>64505647
yeah that's what it's an homage to

>>64507112
I'm sorry, is that a torpedo?

>>64505957
Nearly all Chi-Hes were converted into Chi-Nus. Next they were to be upgraded with the longer gun into Chi-Nu II.

Chi-Se could be viable for this era. Apparently it wasn't ever meant to be build, but only planned to upkeep skills. Details about it are vague, providing some artistic leeway. It could even have interleaved suspension, which was considered for Chi-Ri.

>>64509786
Not just any torpedo but a long lance and it carried two of them. They were supposedly to be used in the cancelled Operation Yu-Go on the back of Submarines and go hunting for US Battleships.

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>>64511875
This is unironically some anime-tier shenanigans

>>64505535 (OP)
The future is square. Go look at the Leopard 2a7, the Challenger 3, Merkava 5 or M1A2sepV4*
(*be careful with the latter because most photos have test weights on the turret cheeks in place of the actual DU armour panels)

Personally, I like to see animes which take existing vehicles like the current JGSDF Mitsubishi Type 10 tank and then add selected bits and pieces from the above prototypes
So it looks like quite a realistic near-future JGSDF tank
Patlabor 2 is a fine example

But don't do stupid Gundam shit like add oversized bazooka scopes to a tank just because you added oversized bazookas on it. It doesn't make sense.

>>64505795
>1950’s is okay. The monster fighting is up until the end of the 50’s for these concepts, with a strong “post-war” atmosphere of wreckage
HUH
This sounds like Godzilla Minus One but on land.

This will be... difficult, for the reasons posted above. But not to worry! There's this handy little blog here. You might want to try contacting the blogger for additional info.

Niche shit like AA tanks will always get you accolades
>https://sensha-manual.blogspot.com/2016/12/wt-so-ki-spaa.html
And the entry just before that is for the Type 61 MBT which you absolutely need to consider

If I were you I'd also consider adding Schurzen type armour like Panzers in WW2, and look up photos of Sherman tanks in 1945 with boxes of rations and tents and shit hanging off them, because tankers can never resist tacking on improvised armour and hanging supplies outside the vehicle because space inside is cramped

>>64505535 (OP)
The Swedish strv-74, I like it's size ratio and how tall and thin it is, and the good gun drepression it has because of that.

>>64505535 (OP)
The AMX-13 because it looks cool and what's cool about is that the turret is "oscilliating", it doesn't just rotate.

>>64519650
We could have been living in a timeline where a tank sunk a battleship.