Unlike the US or UK, there's no mainstream anti trans movement in Australia. Our centre right party doesn't even lean into transphobia, because they know it's a losing issue. Should the tranners of the world be allowed to seek refugee status in Australia.

shithole

Aus trannies get unlimited welfare and free medical for gender transition.

>>40053457 (OP)
yeah man let me in with all the cool spiders and shit. get me in there

>>40053457 (OP)
I'm a trans woman in a rural town in Australia. No one cares unless you're a Lily Tino type.

>>40053497
the worst spider you'll run into unless in sydney is a redback which you have to take a pandol for unless you have some sort of giga-aids or you are a toddler, the one most likely to bite you is a white tail which is more mild than an ant sting

>>40053487
can confirm, aus is great at least for trans women like myself
unrelated but i am looking forrrrrrrrrrrrr tboys in sydney if, any happen to lurk here

>>40053457 (OP)
>Is Australia tranny paradise?
No. Everything is locked up behind GPs who abuse the absolute shit out of that power. Cant even get bloods without a GP signing off. And DIY is waaaay harder due to competent customs.

>>40053823
this trip is a retarded transitioned after 40 crossie btw, you can safely ignore their input

>>40054067
Why would you sage this thread tho?

>>40053457 (OP)
it's the only english speaking country i'd consider moving to, maybe ireland at a stretch but australia appeals to me way more. not sure how easy it is for me to move there though. working holiday is an option but i'm already 28 and not really ready. i work in IT so my job might be in demand but i don't have a degree, entirely self-taught. honestly i'm happy enough where i am and can't really complain from either a trans or more general life POV, but the country is almost certainly going to elect a right-wing loser prime minister again in october and given what's already happening in the other three visegrad countries i'm not super hopeful for the near future.

>>40054258
ireland kind of sucks, you cant ever get a house and it has the worst trans care in western europe medical transitionwise, i'm irish and i'd chose aus over ireland any time

>>40053457 (OP)
Does anyone know what's the best app to find a t4t date in Aus?
I tried to start HRT but had a bad experience which made me realize I can't do this alone. Do you think any tranners would be interested in dating someone like me or is that just cringe?

>>40054894
yeah dude i love dating helpless fuckups and fixing their lives for them

>>40054894
get hrt just diy omg

1. read and inform yourself https://diyhrt.wiki/
2. focus on injections, wether or youre looking for T or E, just get injections. its the cheapest and most efficient
3. find a good seller on https://hrtcafe.net/ (avoid otokonoko if you dont want your E coming in femboy fetish boxes)
4. learn about crypto and buy the needed amount + possible small transfer fees, have your own wallet
5. buy hrt and wait for it to come to your address or a PO box.
6. done

it's ALWAYS worth getting on hrt as soon as you can, there really aren't any excuses. it's either waiting for nothing or stopping masculinisation and gives you a sense of accomplishment

>>40054960
not exactly that lol but point taken

the workers party unfortunately has made it a good place for trans people to live :/

>>40054894
Idiot, it's easy. Get on one of those trans discord. OR LITERALLY JUST SEE A DOCTOR. get refered to the gender clinic retard.

>>40053457 (OP)
It's good if you can get mental healthcare but that's BIG fucking if. If you had a therapist before covid you're okay, but if you've tried getting a new therapist the last few years it's basically impossible. My therapist went back to the UK so I had to try and get a new once around 2022. It's 2025 and I still don't have one. Most places are completely booked out and aren't taking new patients. There's an absolutely massive shortage of mental health professionals here and the government just keeps bringing more and more people in every year without expanding the resources and infrastructure needed to support a growing population so it just keeps getting worse and worse.

>>40053823
You literally can just do informed consent, what are you talking about. What state are you in?

>>40055074
ok yea I know I'm a retard but that wasn't the issue. I tried starting HRT a few weeks ago and I had anxiety and couldn't sleep and I was shivvering which kinda freaked me out, that's why I was scared to keep going.

>>40055065
don't fall for labor cretins histroical revisionism, trans rights were won of the basis of transwomen and men and LGBT orgs challenging discrimination in court. Julia Gillard specifically amended the sex discrimination act to prevent people from (successfully) legally challenging forced divorce in the courts. Transpeople won transrights in this country, not labor.

>>40054777
yeah i'm familiar. i mean prague has a terrible housing crisis these days and the worst housing affordability in all of europe compared to local salaries but as a renter it pales in comparison with ireland. i've DIY'd since forever anyway so idrc about healthcare stuff, the main reasons i wouldn't move to ireland are housing and just the overall lifestyle seems kind of grim to me (shit weather, nothing to do apart from drinking, etc). shame because those tech salaries are good, could make way more than i do here but wouldn't be worth it.

lol no. people are increasingly hostile towards them

>transgender asylum
lol you just know it won't happen until well after trannies are being rounded up in concentration camps and burned alive in ovens

>>40055355
rightoids got blown the fuck out the worst they've ever been faggot time to move to the US mini yank

>>40055124
That's sad to hear. It is "A lot" at first. There are a lotta groups that can get you support. Otherwise there is like idk Taimi for t4t.

>>40055186
Most wins were through Unions organising and fighting for these issues in conjuction with lgbti+ activists in the community (many of which were in labor). Literally no one challenged the forced divorce and court and won. But keep coping and importing that USA memes surely we can win our rights one reference to stonewall at a time

>>40055364
i voted for the first time recently and i voted Labor, and from my experience volunteering with youth labor members at uni in the lead up to the last election support for trans people is falling fast. i didn't talk about trans shit with everyone i met but i read the room when these topics were touched on in regards to representation of women in the Labor party, their constituents and community, there is a big reason why no trans and lgbt issues came up during the campaign, because it's very toxic, lgb voices were suppressed because of how polarising trans rights were even within albos faction, and the public cannot seemingly separate lgb and trans issues, so both labor and the coalition avoided it like the plague, there were some recent high profile stories that were cited as reasons why it was a good idea not to run on any those issues.

all this is anecdotal, believe me or not but i only go off what i see amongst my peers at uni and what i saw on the ground at the last election

>>40054894
Taimi is full of no-hrt trannies you'd fit right in

>>40055472
Yea it feels like they wanna burry it. Even the recent WA stuff where they reformed the trans laws there they tried to burry it so it wouldn't hit the news cycle.
Which seems to work since we get our rights and we don't have to go through that crap

I'd say if you got the like 10 bucks join the party since those fights are gonna be won or loss internally.

>>40055437
>Literally no one challenged the forced divorce and court and won
no shit because labor updated the sex discrimination act to prevent and they did so in the context of various courts striking down various different discriminatory practices targeting trans people and serving as legal precedent to challenge others in other jurisdictions. The reason that Gillard updated the sex discrimination act wasn't just out of the blue for no reason, it was specifically to prevent trans people launching legal challenges against forced divorce because it was an ongoing campaign that would have been successful eventually. The High Court in this country actually upholds the UN covenants to which we bind ourselves and would have overturned the practice if, again, the ALP didn't specifically legislate against its ability to do so. Labor didn't pass samesex marriage, Labor didn't give transwomen rights, Labor was an impediment at every turn as the LGBT community itself fought and won these issues. Fuck off back to the friendlyjordies subreddit you animal

>>40055599
>no shit because labor updated the sex discrimination act to prevent

Me when people don't do something for several decades, but I need feel like I'm cool.

>friendlyjordies subreddit you animal
Redditor moment, you're winning so much karma on the board rn

>>40055625
nigga you are a reddit spacing tripfag that appeared on ausgen to shill labor during the election

>>40055509
lol bruuutal, ok I'm ordering some HRT again. Did anyone else have a bad first experience on HRT or was it just me?

>>40055663
lots of people do. what specifically was the issue?

>>40055660
You can search my trip mate, iv been around a while.

Ill space my crap as much

As

I

Want

>>40055678
Anxiety, trouble sleeping, shivvering,

>>40053823
this person doesn't live in Australia and does licorice hrt, please ignore this evil retard

>>40055709
What are you on?

>>40055724
shes in melbourne unfortunately we are trying to deport her to sydney

>>40055736
Please dont.

>>40054894
nobody looking for t4t dating wants to date a manmoder who hasn't started transitioning yet lol. start and then look for a fellow babytrans after that

>>40055731
I started out DIY 2mg/day sublingual estradiol pill
Progynova was the label If i remember correctly

some dipshit incel posted this thread in our discord server
>literally a kiwi too

>>40055756
Why did you DIY? Are you in the middle of no where or?

See an affirming GP and probably up your dose. Or just send it ans awitch to 150-200mcg of patches. Youre on an anti-T meds right?

>>40055751
Well, I get that but I wouldn't have been manmoding, I wanted to make sure I had a chance to pass as fem before I started. Yes I will be starting HRT soon anyway but I already have everything else, hair, clothes, facial hair removal, twinkmaxxed ect.

>>40055823
>twinkmaxxed
ew

>>40055806
I tried to do informed consent thing but the closest appointment I could get was 3 months away and I just felt awkward going to the doctor because I never go to the doctor & they also said I would need to do multiple appointments before starting. Location wise I'm like an hour away from Sydney.
I wasn't on anti-T because I assumed the E can cancel it out and is not necessarily needed.
I was about to order some gel tubes this time and try that or patches. I think it's better for the liver anyway.

>>40055851
Well don't you get best results if you start low weight then gain weight while on E?
Do you think it's better to start fat...

>>40055854
Even if youre goal is to do mono-E its always good to start off with anti-T so you dont have a shit month desu. But you'll still be ok :))

Id suggest you book in to a GP anyway. Even if its a month away, thats still an appointment locked in yaknow. So in a month you dont use the same excuse.

>>40053457 (OP)
>The scorched land of the worst, deadliest animals known to humankind
>Paradise for trannies
It does make one ponder

>>40055084
IF you can find a doctor who will do informed consent, which is fucking rare enough as it is and none of them bulk bill, you still have to deal with the fact that they're the ones who are going to be controlling your dose even though they have no idea what they're doing and are more concerned about getting in trouble themselves than making sure you're getting what you need. And then there's blood tests, body exams, mental health screens, everything is a fucking fight.

And then we're expected to be grateful or whatever because it's all on the PBS, but I'm paying my doctor more than the medicine costs anyway. And don't you dare complain about this because then they'll drop you as a patient and you'll get nothing.

Seriously, I am 100% that the reason Sandrena, which for a long time was the only gel on the PBS, is in the little sachets is just so cis doctors can control me.

>>40055736
No I'm not.

>>40055472
>i voted Labor
you voted for israel lmao now you've fucked us all with that nuclear submarine deal, majors have let the country rot

>>40055693
if you shilled for labor you betrayed the country

I would only move to aus if I can be a sugar tranny for a trans/cis woman in a major city and dont have to do anything that could cause me to ever even have a chance of seeing one of these creatures because of my arachnophobia like I need to live on the 10th floor I cant survive in this environment

>>40058483
nigga they dont exist in urban areas the wildlife is just a meme outside of the northern territory

>>40058495
10th floor. If I visit a suburban area I will have to wear cloth mesh around my whole body

>>40053487
wat does governtment pay for here
not surgeries right?

>>40055854
generally you cant do mono-E with pills
only injections and for SOME people gel/patches

>>40053457 (OP)
>can't own guns
>houses cost 50% more than the US
>right next to china so fucked if global conflict ever pops off
methinks not.

>>40059243
you can own guns idk where you heard this
and the US is a bigger threat to us than china is

>>40058759
Technically we get subsidized breast augmentations on medicare if you're diagnosed, but:
You don't get to pick your surgeon
They'll only do saline, not gummy bears
Even with the subsidy it's cheaper to fly to thailand and get gummy bears and a 3 week vacation, than it is to get saline in Australia in a shitty hospital in shitty Melb or Syd.

One day I'm going to build a town for all of us to come and live in peace while getting the best services.

>>40059681
i dont even want BA TwT
i only want ffs stuff and maybe shoulders

>>40059707
Thailand.
Maybe not for shoulders, I don't know, but the best surgeons in the world charge a fraction of what an Australian butcher costs in Thailand.

>>40059739
is it actually safe? i dont wanna get botched by some thai surgeon

i heard the french surgeons are the best

>>40057823
You sure do love trying to put the fear of jesus into people.

>>40058759
They cover bottom surgery but most doctors that do it are private so you still end up paying. There is a submission to expand it to ffs and other top surgeries rn

>>40058464
Sounding even more American by the second

>>40059761
Thai surgeons are the best, and also the worst, because there are so many of them because cosmetic surgery is just HUGE in Thailand.
But, and this is kind of nasty, the poor country trannies act as practice for the young surgeons who do it for cheap so they perfect their craft so we rich country trannies can pay for the more experienced ones.

So is it safe? Yeah absolutely if you go to a reputable doctor and do your due dilligence.

I don't know about shoulder surgeries tho, I have no idea what the deal is there so I can't comment.

>>40060693
>You sure do love trying to put the fear of jesus into people.
Estrogen needs to be schedule 3. The stranglehold that GPs have on trans men and women is wrong. 80% of the time I spend in trans spaces IRL is spent complaining about doctors. That's what we do, we sit around and bitch about doctors.
If estrogen is made schedule 3 then Australia, or at least victoria, goes from meh to tranny-paradise. Until then I'd really like to say Australia should start welcoming transgender refugees, and I get that it is getting pretty dark in the rest of the anglosphere. But if we're inviting them here just to get their HRT cut off, then they're better off in Thailand or somewhere it's over-the-counter like it should be.

HOW DO I MEET NONBINARY/TRANSMASC AFABS IN AUSTRALIA

>>40060795
Email your doctor the transhub or something. Just sounds like a skill gap on how to go outside on your part

>>40055355
? I’ve legit never experienced transphobia at all here in 14 years outside of my family, hell I haven’t even had the problem of guys getting upset or turned off when I tell them I’m trans.

>>40061030
Lady, there are TWO doctors within 100kms of where I live who will prescribe estrogen at all. For the last 6 months one of them has been on leave, the other one isn't taking new patients, I had to get multiple people to beg him to take me on, and even then it was a three month wait.

So I have to go in there with priority that he does not decide he doesn't want to treat me any more. So his comfort as a doctor is my priority as a patient, because the thing I literally cannot live without is on the line. That is a SICKENING situation. I'm "lucky" I have a doctor at all, I have friends at the start of their journey who don't even have this.

And he doesn't know what he's doing. He's just the one doctor who will prescribe HRT on informed consent. He's not actually doing anything medical for me, he's just the guy I have to go to to say "please sir, may I have some medicine?"

>>40061131
I have. I've been harassed a couple of times.
And I know someone who got bashed for it.

>>40055736
We don’t want her, but are the camps in naaru running again?

>>40055854
> hour away from Sydney
Go to dr Hayes he won’t hon dose you.

>>40060795
Thai srs surgeons are the best, there ffs surgeons… not so much

>>40061150
I'm not moving to sydney. Gross.
Albury/Wodonga and Ballarat seem to be growing into pretty good trans communities.
Not that you cliquey bitches would know anything about that.

>>40061163
I've heard he gets a bit handsy tho.

>>40061179
oh? I really wish there was a global resource for this that wasn't controlled by the doctors. Like a website where people talk about their experience and post their pics.

>>40061180
where do you live?

>>40061180
> I've heard he gets a bit handsy tho.
He does breasts checks to see how your growing + lumps, and some autist redditor made him out to be a predator because of that.

>>40061197
>post your home address on 4chan
lel

>>40061201
The report I heard didn't come from an autistic redditor. It come from somebody I know personally, and I'm limited on how much I can say here, but she was very much an authority on the subject.
That said, she was very happy with her results.

>>40061137
I call cap. Are you in the NT or something?

>>40061232
Alice, just write down all the bulk billing doctors in your area and go through them.
If youre worried about them not prescribing to you just upload something to my health record or get a physical cert to take places.

Gps are scared of a lotta things but if you give them a bit of paper that says "ye they wont die" they'll shut up.

>>40061338
No, I'm just not in the completely unaffordable SE suburbs of Melbourne.
Typical of the Melbournite if you're not suffering then you think nobody is. Empathy and Melbourne just cannot co-exist.

>>40061416
UP TO whatever the RACGP guidelines. I am diagnosed btw. Jaco Erasmus did me at the start of the year. It doesn't matter.

2 sachets of sandrena is all I'm allowed to have, never mind the minimum effective dose is 4 sachets, and the maximum safe dose is apparently laying in a bathtub full of estrogel full time for two years, and my optimal dose is somewhere between those two, I have to go in there and argue that I need an appropriate amount of estrogen in a way that doesn't wound his male ego.

It is a TERRIFYING situation to know that he's got his hand on the estrogen tap. It feels like a hand around my spine all the time.

And I went to pretty much all of the bulk billers. They don't want to know about it.

Estrogen needs to be schedule 3, just like it is everywhere else. It's not a problem in the rest of the world, but in the countries with the most educated and responsible trannies, everyone's too afraid to let me be in charge of my own body.

>>40061500
Usually 4mg topicsl is enough, how many days of 4 mg is your 30 dsy supply? Atm.
I can have a quick squiz to find a bulk billing affirmative person for you.

Whats your end goal treatment?

>>40061589
>Usually 4mg topicsl is enough,
Maybe. Your milage may vary. Everyone is different, everyone responds to the hormones differently.
Enough and optimal are not the same thing. This is the conspiracy of normal, you're talking about the minimum effective does, not the most effective dose.
And maximum allowable dose, according to the RACGP is 2mg topical.
>how many days of 4 mg is your 30 dsy supply?
There's 30 in a box, and because my doctor "likes me" he get's an authority script for two boxes at once. So 15 days.
>I can have a quick squiz to find a bulk billing affirmative person for you.
If you go to the auspath website I'm going to fucking puke. That's where I learned the lesson that care is conditional upon the doctor liking you. Dr Loise Manning didn't like me. The worst experience of my life, and the only doctor on auspath in Northern Victoria.

>Whats your end goal treatment?
Full bimbo. Picrel.

>>40061670
>minimum effective dose
No the minimum effective dose is around 2mg. 4mg is the average effective dose.

>15 day supply
Jesus christ. Id start shopping around for a new doc. Like giving you a 15 day supply script is INSANE unless they are doing like 20 repeats magically.

>auspath
Nah just call ahead to bulk billing doctors desu. You could even try to call 13sick and have that you need your dose increased (doesnt always work)

>>40061767
>4mg is the average effective dose.
And my doctor won't prescribe it. No informed consent doctor will, because the RACGP guidelines don't reccomend.
And average means there are people, like me, who will need more than that.

>Id start shopping around for a new doc
Do you have memory problems or something? The only other doctor available to me is on leave.

>Nah just call ahead to bulk billing doctors desu. You could even try to call 13sick and have that you need your dose increased (doesnt always work)
OR how about, we just stop all this bullshit, you stop trying to applogize for this nightmarish system that is ONLY causing harm to trans women, there's no benefit, and we make

HRT
Schedule 3
Like it should be

Catchy huh? Better than "protect trans kids"

>>40061807
In your dream world would you just be making estrogen and T schedule 3 or all the anti T meds too

Is me being able to get hrt easier than Emily due to male privilege?

>>40061824
T should be through a simple informed consent model for everyone who wants it BUT with doctor administered injections

E and AAs should be OTC theres literally no reason for them not to be
theyre no more dangerous than panadol

>>40061850
Idk about AA OTC. I coulsnt trust half of the trans people on this board to not take 50mg of Cypro or some retarded shit. Or take a shit load of bica.
They both are more dangerous than panadol.

E i dont see an issue.

>>40061892
in an ideal world they would be sold in doses appropriate for HRT

and obviously if you take way too much panadol you will have negative effects, or take it incorrectly you can get stomach ulcers and shit

E is basically harmless and theres 0 people who will abuse it so it should be easily available

>>40061824
Definitely estrogen.
Probably prog
T is a different because it's schedule 1 and controlled, that said, countries that have legal steroids don't have higher rates of abuse than those that don't. The controlled status is not an effective way to avoid steroid abuse.

Anti-androgens are actually the ones with all the fucking side effects. But getting spiro is easy.
Maybe GNRH blockers, I don't really know that much about them, I know they're expensive tho.
But for the others there's actually a real risk of self-harm so they probably do need a GP to sign off.

>>40061838
Fuck no. Being male is a fucking drag when you're coming into spaces infested with feminists.
>OMG can you please stop being aggressively misogynistic to me right now, I'm going to call the police and tell them you threatened me.
Happened to me, has happened to others. The thing about pre-transition transwomen, is they're mentally ill men.

>>40061850
>>40061892
Watch Jesse James West's investigation of steroids around the world. The rates of abuse, the types of abuse, making it a controlled substance isn't having and effect.

If anything it's probably increasing the risks, because steroid abusers tend to be very driven men, so they'll definitely get it, and having it provided by an illegal network increases the chances of a dirty product, or it getting into the hands of people who are too young.

It's schedule 1 controlled in the US, and Sam Sulek started using when he was 17, openly admits this, the control just had no effect.

>>40061916
I trust troons on this board to not accidentally on on panadol. I dont trust them to not od or get brain tumours from taking too much cypro

>>40061925
by informed consent i mean that in an ideal world it would literally be 20 minute appointment where a doctor explains the risks and you sign a form saying “yes the risks were explained to me”
then you show up to a clinic once a week and get a needle stuck in your leg
the doctor administered T is to prevent some retarded gym bro from trying to put an entire vial in his ass in one injection

>>40061935
natural selection if they cant take an appropriate dose i guess
but again ideally they would only sell cypro OTC in hrt appropriate doses

it only needs to be in hrt doses for OTC because the other shit its used for requires a doctor to diagnose anyway

>>40061969
Youve won me over with "natural selection"

>>40061935
Not to mention the disassociation and other mental things that can happen.
Spiro lowers your blood pressure and spares potassium. Energy supplements, a lot of laxatives, a bunch of others tend be high in potassium, and there's plenty of other medications that cause low blood pressure.

If you don't know what you're looking for the side effects of spiro can be fatal.

>>40061949
Maybe, but it's still leaving it up to the judgement of the doctors, and the illegal stuff is actually super fucking common if you know where to look.
If you want to prevent the harm done by androgenic steroids, don't put a gate in there that they can just walk around.

I know it's a tough sell in todays climate. I think just start with E and then work our way out from them. THAT SAID, legal and quality assured steroids are definitely going to appeal to a section of the population that not traditionally allies. If we can get gym bros to support this, that's going to be a lot more impetus to get it done.

>>40061969
Nah it's too easy to fuck it up.
Informed consent, sure, but schedule 4. There's not even necessary, I'm thinking about switching to monotherapy anyway, I've seen it have really good results, where E+AA (me atm) doesn't seem to wow, and like I said effects from Spiro are kinda annoying. Pissing 20 times a day is not fun.

>>40062017
is spiro really that bad
ive been mono E since i started cos i didnt see the need for an AA when E already can suppress T
but i always hear people complain about spiro, why is it even used if it sucks so bad

>>40062036
It's an AA that's been around forever so it's cheap, and there are a bunch of ways to justify it's prescription (I was officially prescribed it for low potassium, not for GAC).
It's not awful, I just see it as necessary with the doses of estrogen I want. And I think it's only real merit is smoothing out the initial hormone correction. Like as you go from t-dom to e-dom that can be really uncofortable and nasty for some people, while going from t-dom to nothing to e-dom is a lot less traumatic.

I don't know that, that's just my impression.

>>40061969
i missed my morning dose and had to take all my spiro and e at the same time and i feel so hardcore B)

>>40062150
sorry nona…its already too late for you
you will die within 12 hours ;(