Say you're a trans woman and you want a girlfriend people go "okay yeah sure, fine jeep"
Say you're a trans woman and want a butch on T, and everyone loses their minds and calls you all sorts of things, saying all kinds of things like "aren't you just being straight with extra steps" and "okay so you're faketrans"
Why is this? Transbians especially have a problem when I voice this opinion.

>butch on T
sister, thats a man

>>40059052
They are not the same, but I respect the identity of both.

>>40059043 (OP)
Basically for normie lesbians including transbians, butches are either le heckin gender traitors, or le heckin valid manlike thing you go to for strap or kink instead of men. I hear it from all my butch friends, we go to normie bars and its rampant sexual harassment/assault, or ostracization. Personally I go to leather bars for gay men and pretend to be homoflexible for boypoon.

>>40059533
Why are we so closed minded. Whatever happened to "I think they're hot and interesting people"
Like isn't that how all attraction works? 1 part hot 1 part interesting?
I'll go barhopping when I move and see what the scene is like though, thanks for the advice

>>40059043 (OP)
because the assumption is they dont pass as male. also were heterophobic. if your FtM passes as male and refuses to be penetrated however then thats based and i support this lifestyle choice.

>>40059574
I think theres a perception among lesbians that being butch is part of an outdated paradigm of dykehood that is no longer necessary. Its true that today there are less butches, and those butches are increasingly butching out for cultural, personal, or gender reasons as opposed to immediate safety or financial considerations. But I think its important to note that we didn’t totally go extinct, and we’re actually historically and contemporarily a very diverse community of people. You can be butch and a cis woman, or a transmasc, or a transfem, or intersex, lesbian, bisexual, asexual, etc, like I haven’t personally had a problem fitting into butch communities despite not exactly fitting a particularly cis lesbian mold. It should be said though, its really at odds with the Object of A Butch that gets promulgated. The inoffensively androgynous cis woman who lays down the strap and chokes you is deeply reductive of that diversity. So part of the trouble is, you have people that call themselves butch, have butch friends, go to butch events, frequent butch spaces, consume butch media, but are “too trans”, “too masculine”, “too feminine”, “too into other butches” to be “real butches” and by extension “real dykes”. Then the people that do conceptually fit this objectified version of butchness are… objectified and fetishized. So nobody wins really.

i feel like being a butch on T is a bit like being an enby on E mono. it only exist in peoples perception to the extent to which the drugs dont work.