Let's brainstorm how to stop being hated.
1) No transitions under age 25
2) No ugly people allowed to transition
3) No posting on social media about being a woman (you can secretly think of yourself as a woman, but don't talk about it)

>i am retarded
>i post ai images
kill yourself

>>40073400 (OP)
>let's brainstorm bow to stop being hated
okay!
>no transitions under age 25
hollow worthless victory and we'll get more hated
>no ugly people allowed to transition
no leg to stand on, clearly an aesthetic movement and not a real medical condition, would not respect.
>no posting on social media about being a woman
lol

>>40073412
What about ugly people allowed, but self-awareness is required and the uglier you are the more you should avoid making yourself visible?
Also maybe lower the bar to just no transitions under 18 or 21 or something like that? The childhood transitioning thing is a major sticking point for most normal people.

>>40073400 (OP)
1 and 2 are contradictory

>>40073400 (OP)

>>40073400 (OP)
are u even trans or is this bait

>1) No transitions under age 25

transition should be early as possible (hormones and puberty are irreversible) with consideration as to whether one is actually trans or not ofc
>2) No ugly people allowed to transition

plenty of ugly people exist, you need to be more specific on this one

>3) No posting on social media about being a woman (you can secretly think of yourself as a woman, but don't talk about it)
we are women you faggot

>>40073442
Not really. I used to buy into the "transitioning young will make you look like a cute girl" meme, but then I noticed most of the young starting mtfs don't actually pass.
Most of it is just genetics deciding whether you make it or not.

>>40073457
>are u even trans or is this bait
of course they're not

>>40073400 (OP)
1 is legitimately evil, kys jealous old gigahon
>>40073464
delulu

>>40073400 (OP)

>>40073440
>self awareness is required
i think that people in the person's life or like a doctor should make that call instead of the government were it to happen. i don't really believe in that though.
>lower the bar to 18 or 21
i transitioned at 16 you probably can't win me over on this
i think we just need to clarify the situation. people need to know about gender dysphoria, they need to know why we're doing this and that it precludes the common strawman that any man can just call himself trans and it's so. we need to not compromise on the positions actually important to protecting our quality of life. those being that trans people need access to transition as the only real treatment for our condition, and that we can't like just accept being our agab or whatever. we need to make it clear we aren't coming for kids or sports or women's spaces, but that we want to exist in public and be able to pee if needbe without outing ourselves. i think being calm and reasonable but confident in yourself is the way forward, not ceding important ground

>>40073457
Starting underage doesn't really help that much (most young transitioners still end up visibly male aside from maybe one or two ultra-rare tiktok hotties) and just invites hysteria about harming kids.

>>40073506
i got to skip the latter half of male puberty. i wouldn't have if i had waited until 25, 21, or probably even 18. im very grateful for that

>>40073506
evidence or gtfo

nütroonz better stop bumping AI bait threads or i'm fucking your mom right in her face

>>40073500
>>40073508
Did you diy or get a doctor to sign off for you to start that young?
Thay'd be another potential approach: Making it 18+ officially while still understanding people under 18 could still diy if they really feel the need to.

>>40073510
Jazz and Kim Petras for example.
They started as young as it gets.

>>40073528
jazz looks cis, petras looks german

>>40073523
i got a doctor to sign off, no way in the world i could've diyed. not an option for everyone.
i personally actually think it should be the opposite, i dont think adults should be required to go through bureaucracy for it necessarily, they're adults. for underage though i think it should 100% be cleared through a doctor unless absolutely necessary

>>40073512
There is literally nothing wrong with AI art and also these are the basic topics normal people take issue with when it comes to the fourth letter of the LGBT.

>>40073551
>there is literally nothing wrong with ai art

>>40073545
>jazz looks cis
Closer than Kim Petras, but still kind of skullpilled regarding Jazz.

>>40073400 (OP)
Include a clause that guarantees I get a qt trans gf

>>40073523
The one two punch that kills gender dysphoria is
>early transition
>supportive family
Trans people under 18 should have access to puberty blockers. As long as they don't and as long as being trans is viewed as something shameful, future generation of self-harming tttt trannies with anorexia and/or BPD will exist. This is the truth, just because there's been pushback doesn't change that truth.

>>40073440
Perhaps something more like the fashion police, instead of the 100 percent postive fests at pflag meetings. Some people should simply switch to little old lady mode and really skip even trying for a hot phase.

>>40073789
Supportive family, yes. Early transition? Already seen enough dead early transitioner passoids to not believe that. I'd also want better psych health services in general for everyone, pre, post, and de transition, as well as non transitioners, like the family.

>>40073872
Yeah, exactly. There needs to be more negativity and criticism.

>>40073872
>supportive family, yes. early transition?
are you actually saying it isn't better to transition younger? do you think we're less likely to kill ourselves when we're bigger and clockier and manlier??

>>40073400 (OP)
>1) No transitions under age 25
kill yourself

>>40073872
A combination of early transition and supportive family is absolutely the gold standard for treating gender dysphoria, it feels silly to even argue about it

>>40073986
The obvious argument against early transition is kids not knowing what they're doing.
The less obvious argument is genetics matter more than starting age because hormones don't do as much as they get memed to.

>>40073497
fuck off milhouse you will never be a meme

>>40074013
>kids not knowing what they're doing
get the medical industry to address GD false positives from stuff like OCD and trauma and then just have doctors filter underage trannies
>starting age doesn't matter bcuz genetics
genetics decide everything for older transitioners, early transitioners also get to work with not being done with puberty, which for 99% of people is a pretty big deal.
>hormones don't do as much as they get memed to
they do so much more than y'all act like they do on this board. maybe your effects are underwhelming because you started late

no, ban legal transition for anyone OVER 25 (still allow HRT tho)

>>40074042
¡¡B- but ContraPoints is my MOMMYYYYY!! o algo

>>40074013
>The less obvious argument is genetics matter more than starting age because hormones don't do as much as they get memed to.
This is soooo retarded! If you get on HRT or puberty blockers early it can stop some effects of your natal puberty, depending on when you started. Genetics matters, but early transition ALWAYS HELPS and can even save some people. It makes you pass better, which makes it easier to make friends and have a job and have a bf/gf and be a well-adjusted member of society.

I'm going off on a rant at this point, but yeah there should still also be mental health services for trans people regardless, but deadass if a cis girl was going bald at 16 or something, would society be like "it's too dangerous to fix that before you turn 18, but we can talk about how it makes you feel :^)" It's absurd. I'm so tired of this assumption that it's only natural trans people be second class citizens, and that trans people shouldn't have access to the care that objectively gives them a better shot at a normal, fulfilling life.

>>40073400 (OP)
> 1) No transitions under age 25
Lol, no. But age 21 or age 18 (age of majority) I can stand by with. If we want to gatekeep, then at least 6 mos psych eval. No RLE, though (see below). Also we should get a max. transition age (ie. 35), above which no transition possible.

Also: If your country has the draft, you register, you serve. No questions.

> 2) No ugly people allowed to transition
"ugly" is not an objective criterion. Therefore it's stupid.

> 3) No posting on social media about being a woman (you can secretly think of yourself as a woman, but don't talk about it)
Alternative proposal: Stealth is mandatory. No open girlmode until you can pass clearly. Then drop/create all social media under your girl (real) name, and then you're a woman. Not a transwoman. A woman. Normies want the gender binary, so you're either male or female, no in between. Let's give it to them.

Also:
- No hon dresses/makeup
- Do not participate in LGBT societies, marches
- HSTS > AGP
- No catfishing alpha males, you tell him before things get serious
- No pro sports as either gender
- No gun/knife ownership
- No adoption (if you had bio children, you're disqualified from transition)

>>40074464
>Do not participate in LGBT societies, marches
bro, how the fuck do you think pride parades originated?
>No gun/knife ownership
is your goal to die faster? or—

>>40074464
>duude I bet we'll get treated better if we disappear from society and become invisible
We need as many young, talented and interesting passoids as possible being openly trans. We need nonstop advocacy grounded in science, until best practices guidelines are being met.
Being a hon is one thing, I think there's some valor in being a self-aware hon. But being a doormat? Being okay with people trampling all over your rights for no reason? Pathetic.

>>40073400 (OP)
kys

>>40074524
> sis, how the fuck do you think pride parades originated?
(I'm not usually triggered by people assuming I'm male, but let's not go down that road.)
Stonewall, yeah. Even LGB has long forgotten that. But is your goal to be trans or to be a woman? (If you're a gigahon, like moi, that's an exception), but participating in LGBT communities is mutually exclusive with both passing and stealth. Even if you're a passoid, if you say out loud that you're trans, that's where your passing ends.

>No gun/knife ownership
To die less fast. Trans women are as traumatized as they come, and the 41% is not a joke. The few of us who are stable enough to hold a gun without musingly staring down the barrel can be an excaption, but then, they are probably passing, and have a loving SO.

>>40074653
> Grounded in science
Goddess. Being trans is the *only* identity/body dysmorphic disorder which is treated with affirmative counseling. If you want science-based advocacy, then being trans would be treated by 10-15 courses of ECT and a lifetime regimen of heavy antipsychotics. No one wants that.

> We need as many young, talented and interesting passoids as possible being openly trans.
Passing is mutually exclusive with openly trans. If you're stealth, passing is defined by hitting the level of an 1/10 ugly woman in your region, and having obvious hon features (height, shoe size, deep voice, chiseled jaws). Also, you would need to dress down and reduce makeup level to a standard cisF in your region. If you're openly trans, passing standards immediately get elevated to r/transpassing levels (so if you're not a Suporn doll, you have no chance), and start pulling in hate online and off.

> But being a doormat? Being okay with people trampling all over your rights for no reason?
Want change? Want to fight? Good luck. What I wrote is just the realities of what it takes to be LGBTQ in a society where being trans is literally banned in the constitution. Buggery laws are not reinstated. Yet

>>40074806
>t. i'm totally one of you (psyop)

>>40074653
The entire point of this thread is how to make normies hate us less. Normies hate visibility. So if we go back underground, and start whispering, the bible thumpers will have their cake, and present it as a win to the retars voting for them. We train ourselves in tradecraft to ensure that people retain hope.

>>40074806
>a lifetime regimen of antipsychotics
did you hear about this one from howlingmutant or hyasakaaryan?

>>40074832
>bible thumpers will have their cake, and present it as a win to the retars voting for them
it's the opposite, the bible thumpers voted in the retards. donald trump is not a religious man

>>40074806
>Being trans is the *only* identity/body dysmorphic disorder which is treated with affirmative counseling.
Yeah because that affirmation + HRT helps trans people.
>If you want science-based advocacy, then being trans would be treated by 10-15 courses of ECT and a lifetime regimen of heavy antipsychotics.
No it wouldn't, because that doesn't help trans people. That sounds sciency, but that is not a conclusion someone would come to if they wanted trans people to be happy and looked at the evidence for how to do that.

Passing as an MtF means you look like a woman, you can look like a woman and be openly trans. People are openly gay but that doesn't mean they constantly walk around with a plaque that says "i'm gay". What I described is the baseline for what is needed in order for future generations of trans people to live happy lives, that reality is independent from whatever the current political moment is in Burgerland. You're just letting anti-trans lobbies shift the overton window and acting like having less rights is actually okay because "trans people are traumatize". How about we advocate for things that makes it less likely for future generations of trans people to become traumatized instead?

>>40074832
>Normies hate visibility.
No they don't, most normies hate performative visibility and things that stick out like a sore thumb, and then there's a small minority of people that won't be happy no matter what you do. No big political change has ever happened by just having people sit on their hands and apologize for their existence, that feeds the status quo which currently is harming trans people.
If you have openly trans people who are more or less normal, are well respected in their fields and also have some backbone, that's actually a really really good thing. Otherwise the only visibility we have is the stereotypes and strawmen other people make of us.

>>40074820
picrel

>>40074850
People believe he is. I'm not good in US politics, as I don't live there. I live in Orbánistan.

>>40074880
So how do we ban the agitators, genuinely retarded people, and pedos/leather people from Prides? Leather and fetishes doesn't belong on a Pride. Pedos doesn't belong anywhere but in a jail. Then the next stop will be the blatantly unpassable crossdressers. Then... we start allowlisting on a Pride, and make it a psyop for the normies' sake, or simply reduce it to a Corpo ESG fundraising op?

> If you have openly trans people who are more or less normal, are well respected in their fields and also have some backbone, that's actually a really really good thing.
You want to gamble your job on that? Be my guest. Openly trans means you start pulling hate online (at least), and you will be treated as an agitator (or worse) in the Corp you work at. Best case: You will be asked to be the Corpo figurehead asked (ordered) to spread ESG shit under your accounts and be the diversity hire.

> Otherwise the only visibility we have is the stereotypes and strawmen other people make of us.
That's true. If the NEET turbohons and the autistic programmer rain men hold the trans flag, then we'll get marked as such. Somehow, we need to return to the 1960-1970s era gay movement, where Prides were civil.

But then, we still have the online agitprop problem, and antisocial media creating thought bubbles.

>>40073400 (OP)
another day, another psyop

>>40073601
Do you... do you not understand perspective?

>>40074958
>So how do we ban the agitators, genuinely retarded people, and pedos/leather people from Prides? Leather and fetishes doesn't belong on a Pride.
Idk I guess you just ban those people from pride. Good thing from a trans perspective is that a lot of those kink leather people are just cis gays so we kinda share a common interest in not having those people define us
>Then the next stop will be the blatantly unpassable crossdressers.
This is fine, as long as it's not given undue attention ("stunning and brave!") and as long as it isn't full on fetish gear or smth. I don't really care if a guy goes out on pride and wears a dress, and ok maybe it's bad optics to some people, but it's really easy to defend against because the answer to "why do you care if a guy wears a dress?" usually just boils down to "it looks silly", which most people understand is not a good argument.
>You want to gamble your job on that? Be my guest.
If you're actually competent you're not going to get fired unless a) it's some moid military job, b) you live in a thirdie shithole, c) you got unlucky. In either case I hope you make whatever choice you feel is best for you. As for the tranners in western europe or something, I don't think you need to walk around with a trans flag or anything, I just don't think you need to hide the fact you're trans as if it's the most embarrassing thing in the world. Young tranners could really use positive examples, I grew up only having negative ones.

There's bad people in all communities like I don't think it's that deep

>>40075018
>I just don't think you need to hide the fact you're trans as if it's the most embarrassing thing in the world.
is there any way to defeat this mindset im honestly both making my own life worse and preventing myself from being a positive example by caring so much but like. it does feel like the most embarrassing thing in the world. i know how they'd think about me

>>40075018
> a) it's some moid military job
Yep, I just came out to only the MI guy who processed my clearance. No one else. Still got fired, though. The worst part is that my family, most of whom serve had their own clearances affected by the fact I'm trans.

> b) you live in a thirdie shithole
Pre-SENT!
Don't think that since you live in the US/W-Eu you're safe. See Trump banning trans people from the military all together, after the 1994 enactment and 2011 repeal of DADT. Civvie jobs aren't safe, either.

> I just don't think you need to hide the fact you're trans as if it's the most embarrassing thing in the world.
Because it isn't? I hate myself for having been born with the wrong set of genitals. I will *never* be a real woman. But I have accepted that.

> Young tranners could really use positive examples,
When I transitioned (2015), 4chin has been full of toxic trips like PoTC and Contrapoints. The RL trans scene hasn't been better either, however fortunately there was 1 (one) positive trans example. (And a couple FtMs). She had left the country long ago.

> There's bad people in all communities like I don't think it's that deep
Some communities have less chance to fuck up and are under more scrutiny.

>>40075031
I can't really make that decision for you, I know in some places it would be a pretty big deal if you came out as trans, in other places not so much
>>40075083
>Some communities have less chance to fuck up and are under more scrutiny.
This is true but I don't know if getting stuck on that fact is helping us. I think a better attitude would be to kind of clearly define ourselves and try to remain rigid in that. Easier said than done because there's so many different opinions trans people have.

Blockers from 14, HRT from 16
WPATH standards

>>40073400 (OP)
Wrong on all counts, this is how you actually do it
>>40076981

>>40073400 (OP)
how about
>no hons in sports
>no hons in womens bathrooms
if you pass none of these things apply to you.

>>40077682
Why not leave it as
>no hons

>>40077712
Amen, sister. Now define hons, and how to get rid of them

>>40073457
>we are women you faggot
no I'm a faggot y'all are women

>>40073512
the hero we need

>>40073400 (OP)
>No ugly people allowed to transition
most of the board died on this one lol